Summit Treestands
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Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
Brotsky 02-Jan-19
lv2bohunt 02-Jan-19
lv2bohunt 02-Jan-19
Scrappy 02-Jan-19
LostNwoods 02-Jan-19
Huntiam 02-Jan-19
Bill Obeid 02-Jan-19
drycreek 02-Jan-19
t-roy 02-Jan-19
Huntiam 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 02-Jan-19
HUNT MAN 02-Jan-19
Busta'Ribs 02-Jan-19
IdyllwildArcher 02-Jan-19
longbeard 02-Jan-19
deaver25btb 02-Jan-19
LostNwoods 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
Bake 02-Jan-19
1 Pin Willie 02-Jan-19
Wayniac 03-Jan-19
From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
What’s up everyone?! This is my first post to the site. Excited to hear everyone’s input. Going to throw a scanario out there that has been happening to me on the regular this year.

I have the priveledge of hunting about 1000 acres in SW Arkansas. The place is a treasure and holds lots of big bucks. Over the last 3 years I’ve been hearing what I assume is 1 buck (probably isn’t but I’ve never placed eyes on him). Anyway, “he” likes to grunt long, guttural grunts in succession (think anywhere from 5-20 times every 10 or so seconds).

This guy is NOT bashful about letting his presence be known. He almost has a “here I am, come get some” attitude. I will say he can’t be heard when others are on the 4 wheelers. But primarily I walk in unless it’s to the far reaches of the property.

I’ve had him as close as 65 yards and can hear him as far as roughly 300-400 yards away. He’s been upwind, he’s been down wind. Sometimes cruising sometimes stationary. But he always stays just out of sight.

I’ve thrown everything at him from aggressive grunts, submissive grunting, doe bleats, heavy rattling, light sparring, even scraping trees together to simulate rubbing. I can’t seem to close him.

I have a suspicion of what deer it may been. But I’m falling into the trap of chasing one deer. I think you probably get the picture.

My question to you all is.... what would you do?!

Looking forward to everyone’s response.

From: Brotsky
02-Jan-19
I'd find travel routes downwind of bedding areas and hunt all day during the rut. Chances are he'll turn up. Only hunt him when the wind is right, and when you can get in and out undetected. Be patient and don't push a questionable wind.

From: lv2bohunt
02-Jan-19
1pin

I also hunt southwest Arkansas. I would aggressively grunt this deer in. By that I mean long, loud grunts with only a few minutes between. I would do this 3-4 times and then get quiet for 20-30 minutes. This is only my opinion but I use this technique every season on a few hunts and it works more times than not. I will add that I hunt mature deer and they do respond where I hunt.

From: lv2bohunt
02-Jan-19
I’ll add The technique above will not sound anything like the tv pro’s calling sequence. It won’t sound like anything you ever hear anyone else do. Which is why I would do it.

From: Scrappy
02-Jan-19
I used to hunt south west Arkansas as well. I used a totally different technique. I moved to Iowa over 10 years ago.

From: LostNwoods
02-Jan-19
Tie some antlers together let them hit the ground with string and do some snort wheezes. This might do the trick.

From: Huntiam
02-Jan-19
Sounds like he knows exactly where your at...mabye don’t do nothing sir quite and get some tarsal glands off a buck from different area that stink bad Enuf to get his attention...he will come check them out

From: Bill Obeid
02-Jan-19
Decoy and a snort wheeze. If you get him again at 65 yards that might seal it.

From: drycreek
02-Jan-19
I would find whoever is jacking with you and give him a good thrashing, then go back to hunting. :-)

From: t-roy
02-Jan-19
Sometimes the most aggressive tactics are the best, Scrappy! ;-)

A snort-wheeze oftentimes works especially well on dominant, aggressive bucks. Have you tried that?

From: Huntiam
02-Jan-19
Dry creek that’s what I wanted to say too just hadn’t drank enough beer yet

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
Appreciate everyone’s responses!

BROTSKY-always!!

lov2bohunt-tried it many times. He stays just out of sight.

Scrappy-good call!

Lostnwoods-?? you jacking with me?!

Huntiam-I swear he follows me around everywhere just toying with me.

Bill-I like the decoy idea, will you carry it in for me? I got enough gear! ??

Drycreek-its def crosses my mind! ??

So I might point out that I’m hearing this deer (if it is just 1) in a particular part of the land that stretches a good distance. His is def starting to show his route.

I’ve recently begun to live by the wind and only going to areas I know I can travel successfully (in regards to the wind). But he tends to just “pop up”. And nine times out of ten it’s not where I’d expect. Part of me wants to believe he knows I’m there but as time has passed he’s been getting closer and closer. It’s almost seems like he’s curious, and wants to know what I am... I guess we feel the same about each other ??

I love the tarsel gland idea and have been contemplating doing that. It really drives me crazy I haven’t see this deer with so many experiences with the loud grunting. I’m honestly to the point I just want to see him to see which deer he is.

Also I know for fact we have “hot” does again right now. Everything has been late this year. The acorns, rut, etc. so hoping he’s stays hungry for a little deer taco haha

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
So I’ve been interested in buying a call with the snort wheeze. I really do think my calls are pieces of crap. May be my weak link....

Suggestion?

02-Jan-19
Sounds like another hunter to me

From: HUNT MAN
02-Jan-19
I would get the tarsal glands from another buck . Then put them out around your stand and grunt him in ! Good luck. Hunt

From: Busta'Ribs
02-Jan-19
Just use ur mouth to wheeze, don’t need a call. Uncle Barry describes it perfect in his book “ Once Upon A Tine”; something like this - you start with your front teeth (upper) against your lower lip and make a couple quick “PFHITT-PFHITT” bursts, then a long drawn out hiss right after for about 4-5 seconds. That’s it, no call required. He swears by it, secret weapon style!

02-Jan-19
Wait till you have a wet ground or a new snow and stalk him. Even if you blow the stalk, you'll at least know who he is. As far as decoys, they certainly are a PIA to carry in. But you can bring it in before season and leave it in a bag somewhere close by and then you don't have to haul it in the whole way every time you hunt.

From: longbeard
02-Jan-19
You’ve been hearing him (more than once) but have never seen him? Not once? Do you have trail cameras? If he walks by your stand and is not grunting, how are you going to know it’s him? I think someone is messing with you

From: deaver25btb
02-Jan-19
It would appear to me that you have found a bonafide Bigfoot. Classic MO. Makes noises and can never be seen.

From: LostNwoods
02-Jan-19
Nope might be late for the antler trick but with a doubt do an aggressive snot wheeze and then some quick doe estrus calls.

Good luck!

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
I know no one is messing with me. There is no one else hunting this land right now. He’s a freaking deer ninja.

3 instances where I know it wasn’t anything but a deer...

1) was hunting close to the main entrance (one way in/out) where I would hear any other vehicles come in the land. Gates were locked when I arrive. We dummy lock them when we are in. I was ALONE, No traffic. Heard him at roughly 300-400 yards traveling. This was the first time he proved it was a deer to me. Not going to lie at first I thought at it was a tree frog or wood pecker or something other than a deer because I had never heard a deer grunt repeatedly and so deeply like this guy. But I gave him a hard rattle sequence and sure enough he turned and walked right down the edge of a thicket to where the thicket ended. Closing the distance to roughly 100 yards from me. Continues to grunt and then stopped. After a while I figured he came and didn’t see anything and went on his way. 45 minutes later!! He hasn’t moved goes back to grunting several times from the same exact position from earlier and then stops. Never heard him again that morning.

2) had heard him earlier in the morning walking a ridge. Finished my hunt from the stand and went to where I heard him to check out his path (heard him on this path several times, in the mornings on sunny days). When I was in the general area 6 doe popped up out of no where. I froze they eventually mover past me and right after they did here he comes from the opposite side of the does. I slide up behind a tree (riffle season) and I’m thinking it’s about to go down. He holds up in the thick sh*t opposite the does. He was maybe 65-70 yards from me!! But there was a slight ridge between us. Belly crawled and everything to get closer and never saw him..... Grunting the whole way till he either realized they weren’t hot or smelt me. Does never spooked. I do believe he may have caught my wind that day.

3) This past Saturday. Been in the stand 30 minutes. Came in early before light. Out of no where he lets loose maybe 100 yards dead down wind! And a strong wind at that. 8-10 grunts then goes silent. 15 minutes later grunts again. Hasn’t moved. He’s a freaking ghost guys I’m telling you. If he moved north I see him if he moved east I see him if he moved west he’s in the river. He had 1 option and he knew where to go. Thing is I’m virtually certain he would have winded me that day. But for a mature buck to stay down wind of me for 15 minutes grunting. I don’t know.... I’m befuddled by this guy. I truly believe this deer just has that 6th sense about him.

I’m sure y’all can find holes in my stories to say no man, someone is out there with a call. But if they are how come they never close the distance in me. But honestly story #2 confirmed it for me. He was cruising, he was in the center of what I would know and call his “core area”. The area that I have heard him the most. He’s a bonafied mature river bottom deer and he’s had absolutely learned how to avoid human contact.

I’m honestly amazed by him. If I ever get the chance to draw on him it would be bitter sweet I think. I truly have a respect for this animal. I have thoroughly enjoyed this chase this year. It’s like NOTHING I have ever experienced in my 25+ years of hunting.

One other tid-bit I think points to it being a deer is 2 years ago I heard him once. Last hear heard him twice. This year I’ve heard him on probably 50% of my hunts. But I hear him virtually every time I’m out there by myself when he’s undisturbed. And especially when there are no 4 wheelers being used. Therefor I walk in on as my hunts now sometimes 1000+ yards

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
Hunt- I’m in. Calling my processor this week!

Busta-May scare off every deer around but I’m gonna keep this in my back pocket. Great idea!

Archer-I have been tempted to stalk him. I just don’t think it’s possible. He’s always one step ahead. And I’m old school just don’t think I could go the decoy route...

longbeard-I love my trail cams and have so many big deer it could be any. But the one I think it is is this 250lb (guessing) sh*t rack 8 point who is clearly dominate

Deaver-I’m felling ya...

Lostnwoods-we just hit the second estrous cycle. I feel like it’s my last chance this season

I’m going to try and get a couple pics up of which deer I “think” it may be...

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19

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Here he is in the foreground

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19

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Body shot...

From: Bake
02-Jan-19
Had a deer like that I was chasing. He was killed by a gun hunter this year. He did it when in the presence of a hot doe.

He was aggressive, I rattled him in as a 2 year old and passed. Saw him “roaring” as a 3 year old in December when in a doe. Passed him again

This year I saw him once and he was grunting and roaring, again while chasing a doe

The day he was killed I didn’t see him, but I heard a LOT of grunting and was sure it was him.

He wasn’t responsive because he was distracted, but he was old enough, I think calling him wouldn’t have been too successful. Even when I rattled him in at 2, he was circling downwind.

I think being quiet and moving stand locations would work better. Let him move by you naturally. Think of all the places you’ve seen or heard him, and consider relocating stands to those areas if possible. He’s probably in those areas for a reason, terrain or otherwise.

From: 1 Pin Willie
02-Jan-19
Blake

I think you’re on point. I’ve been moving regularly to avoid blowing him out. He’s wise.... he confuses me with grunting and staying in 1 place for long periods of time. Never thought about him being with a doe because I just never see the dang thing.

I’ve got one stand location I haven’t been able to get into quite yet because of the wind. It’s the one place I’ve heard him the most and topographically he’s following a ridge. It’s the major terrain anomaly of the property.

Fingers crossed, this weekend is shaping up weather/wind wise for me! Been waiting for a cold, sunny morning with south winds

From: Wayniac
03-Jan-19
Good luck!

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