Stick and String Outfitters
CO points-i wonder why
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
hillbender 08-Jan-19
midwest 08-Jan-19
Treeline 08-Jan-19
hillbender 08-Jan-19
Jaquomo 08-Jan-19
Dirk Diggler 08-Jan-19
drycreek 08-Jan-19
Bowsiteguy 08-Jan-19
Ambush 08-Jan-19
midwest 08-Jan-19
Glunt@work 08-Jan-19
Aspen Ghost 08-Jan-19
cnelk 08-Jan-19
RogBow 08-Jan-19
Bowsiteguy 08-Jan-19
robertwadera 09-Jan-19
Ronn91 09-Sep-19
Franklin 09-Sep-19
Mule Power 09-Sep-19
Firsty 09-Sep-19
IdyllwildArcher 09-Sep-19
From: hillbender
08-Jan-19
I wonder why my favorite unit takes a couple points to hunt archery season but is OTC for rifle. Seems like it would be the other way around

From: midwest
08-Jan-19
So those dang bowhunters don't drive all the elk on to private before the gun season!

From: Treeline
08-Jan-19
Back in the 90’s the rifle hunters were complaining that the bowhunters were running all the elk down onto private land before they could get a chance to kill them.

So the DOW said they would limit archery hunters in those units for a five year study to see if there actually was any impact.

Never have heard how the “study” went. Those units are still draw for archery and OTC unlimited for rifle hunts.

From: hillbender
08-Jan-19
Ah I am simple-minded I was looking for a biological reason. Thanks for the info it does make sense but it is disappointing. Dang bowhunters

From: Jaquomo
08-Jan-19
Pretty sure I read that they determined from collared elk that there was a significant migration down to private shortly after archery season started.

In large parts of units 6-16-17-171 this has been happening for years and there's no study needed. You can sit on high points and watch herds of elk moving down onto the big ranches during the first week of archery. Sometimes across miles of open sage. I can't believe they haven't limited archery in those units, but they're really popular with NRs and we all know the CPW loves nonre$ident$.

From: Dirk Diggler
08-Jan-19
You mighta just kicked the Hornets nest jaquomo. I've read on these pages archers dont pressure elk enough to force em on to private, those bows dont make any noise you know.

From: drycreek
08-Jan-19
It's all them bowhunters that don't manscape........

From: Bowsiteguy
08-Jan-19
Seems like hunters would just hide down there on the miles of open sage during the first week of archery season, where this mass migration is visible with the naked eye, and pick them off.

If you can find it, it would be interesting to see this collared elk study to evaluate items like "significant migration," and the possibility of other factors contributing to alleged unusual elk movement.

Also, it would be interesting to know how much of the decision to go draw vs. OTC was due to a myth that the pesky archery hunters, sneaking around and making no noise, were causing mass migration, preventing rifle hunters from slaughtering a significant number of elk before they could descend on "the big ranches." And, if that did occur, have the numbers changed now, so that it is no longer necessary to have an archery draw? Or is that all too esoteric? Serious; I know they have a budget.

From: Ambush
08-Jan-19
Don’t rifle hunters scare them too?

From: midwest
08-Jan-19
Ambush, No, elk are attracted to orange.

From: Glunt@work
08-Jan-19
Rifle seasons are stacked almost back to back. Other than maybe more private land pressure during rifle it certainly should be worse.

It certainly happens in some areas during archery especially since bowhunters have doubled.

The problem with limiting units is then they go to the resident nonresident split which can mean less nonresidents get tags. May sound good if you are a resident but not if you are the CPW and always hunting revenue.

From: Aspen Ghost
08-Jan-19
Maybe they should have rifle season on private land in September to invert the pressure and drive the elk to public land during the public land archery season. Then cap it off with a public land rifle season after archery season is over.

Of course all the private landowners/outfitters will say that won't work because the elk don't come down that early............

From: cnelk
08-Jan-19
"Maybe they should have rifle season on private land in September to invert the pressure and drive the elk to public land during the public land archery season. "

This is already in place, [PLO Rifle Cow season] but to little or no effect.

From: RogBow
08-Jan-19
One of the spots I hunt I count on bowhunter pressure to push the elk past me on the way to a ranch a few miles away. Seems to work pretty well.

If you go back to that spot towards the end of season forget about seeing anything.

From: Bowsiteguy
08-Jan-19
Ok, boys; all we have to do is get down by a ranch fence and wait for the stampede. Look at this guy, here with the satire. Good job, Ghost. Yea, not enough weather yet.

From: robertwadera
09-Jan-19
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From: Ronn91
09-Sep-19

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From: Franklin
09-Sep-19
The elk we hunted last week were already on private before we got there....lol

Between the bears, blowdowns and the heat it was pure torture.

From: Mule Power
09-Sep-19
Ronn91..... I read your other post. Is that you TBM?

From: Firsty
09-Sep-19
Elk being pushed off public early in archery season is no joke in the units Jaq mentioned.

09-Sep-19
It happens all over in multiple states.

If it weren't for the archery crowd, the rifle hunters would push them there.

The answer is for the ranches to open up hunting, but they're really only incentivized to grow mature bulls and either outfit or lease to outfitters.

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