I can see that attachment assembly becoming a trouble spot over time. Hopefully Bowtech has ten thousand shot sequences on a number of test bows. I'd be concerned about the overhung mass weight fatiguing the limb tips.
All I see when I look at that bow is a bow that should be very shootable (aka forgiving). If it indeed shoots like looks like it should, that would be beautiful. I personally find the bow sexy. (nice curves)
I just bought my first Bowtech in quite a few years this year. Even the Realm X isn't as parallel as most bows on the market. I forgot how well Bowtechs hold, point and shoot. I'm certain this new one will be a shooter for sure.
That’s funny the reactions of a bunch of you on how ugly it is. My first thought was “DANG” that’s cool!!! Bet it’s a SHOOTER!!! Looks like a bat wing and “SEXY” is right on th money! But hey...I think the ugliest bows ever made are the Hoyt carbons!-)
I haven't seen the cam up close yet obviously, but I don't think there is much lean inherent in this system. Power stroke centering will be accomplished by laterally moving the cam left or right.
Same process as shimming an old two-track over, same process as loading and unloading the yokes on an ODB cam to get the power-stroke where you want it.
Setup should be as simple as setting centershot on the rest, shooting through paper or BS tuning and starting positioning the cam where you need it for perfect arrow flight. I'm betting you can shoot multiple spined/weighted arrows out of the same bow with retuning taking only minutes.
Guess I never thought about a bow as "ugly" or "pretty"? How does it shoot?
Question: Are the fellas here that say this'n is ugly the same fellas that are getting pedicures? I'm just trying to figure out where that "sub-group" might be located, for scientific purposes of course.
Being a 3 track slaved cam system the cables are on opposite sides of the cam. That helps to control. Unless there is some significant limb twist or other out of the ordinary issue any lean in the system would simply be cosmetic. By adjusting the position of the cam you are doing the same thing as yoke tuning.
Think of it this way...this bow should have the benefits of a 2 track cam system like an Elite but with less inherent can lean. It should also be as tunable as a Bowtech ODB.
There is an adjustment screw on the axles you can move the cam laterally with between the limbs to do lateral tuning. I'm not to sure on this one myself... Have to get my hands on it. Very cool to see innovation regardless. I just think they should have balanced it in some way.
Looks don't mean anything in bows. Look at Maaathews and how unbelievably ugly they've been ever since the waffle iron risers and people still buy them by the thousands. Hell the Triax doesn't even look like a bow at this point. Looks like somebody pulled the stock off of a cross gun and flipped it vertical...
I have no affiliation with anyone this year as far as bows are concerned. I am tinkering this year and seeing what all I've been missing, and then we will see. I will say that right now the Realm series is the best all around hunting line being produced if your just looking at balance, grip, performance, tuning, and technology.
I would not consider the Reckoning system really a hunting system until it has been out for a couple years. To much going on with the axle system for me to comfortable until it has been proven. I can pretty much guarantee they will have issues with this for a while. This is Bowtech after all. JMO
I stand corrected. I was just confused because last year the RX1 was the pinnacle by your own words. Some where it became a less then perfect bow by your own admission. As this was coming about, you began to talk about Bowtech. So, I thought you were pimping them now.
They pimp him. He’s the prostitute. They’re the pimp
But I will say this, if I were a bow company or anything to do with archery, I wouldn’t want him as a representative for my products. He sucks at being a salesman and he pushes people away from the brand.
I’d have to assume these companies don’t follow his social media, Otherwise, they’d run as fast as they could away from Him.
What is "ugly" about it? It can only be the riser because the limbs and cams along with the roller guard have been like that for several years. It looks hell for strong to me and we want a ridged riser for a forgiving foundation. It also appears to be of deflex design, just looking at the one picture. I just don't see a "pretty" riser from anyone, what man doesn't want a rugged bow...
IMO, looks mean nothing when it comes to compounds. They're all gnarly contraptions.
The weight and the long ATA length mean I won't even bother trying to shoot it.
I'm glad to see someone's making a 7 inch BH bow again though. BHs have been getting ridiculously short. How do you even shoot a bow with a BH under 6 inches when you're wearing cold-weather gear without hitting your clothes?
Now I just wish they'd make one with carbon at 32 inches ATA that weighed a lb less and I wouldn't care if it looked like Hillary Clinton's face.
It’s definitely an extremely different look and design than anything Bowtech has had recently. Like Ike said, I’m out just based on how long the ATA is but for a bigger guy I’m sure it’s a shooter. And yeah.... that thang is DAM ugly! I’ll stick with my Realm.
I am dumbfounded by all the ugly comments. That is by far the best looking bow that I've seen in a while. Plus it's encouraging to once again see a hunting bow with a good A to A for those with a draw length over 28", a nice brace height, and no stupid reflex in the riser.
I kind of like it, maybe because I keep coming back to look at it and its growing on me. I love the tuning idea moving the cam with a set screw and getting the string back on the cam away from the yokes/limb ends. Im not a fan of compressing my limbs to twist/untwist to tune. Olink, I must be missing something. I still see the reflex rollers cable guide or are you talking about something else? I think this bow is sweet, Id still like to see the IBO a little faster and keep the 7 inch BH but I bet this thing is a tack driver.
The Reckoning was my favorite bow I shot at ATA. Held great, super quiet, and tuning options are better than anything else out there with that new cam adjustment system. I'm loving the direction Bowtech has been going the past few years.
Agreed. They must have some VERY good people in the engineering dept. as of late, and people at the top that are not afraid to make waves. As good as the Realm line is, and has been received, it would have been very easy for them to sit on this for 3 years before unleashing it on the market...
If those limb tips hold together, this will be the cam adjustment system of the future. Of course, I don't think this will work well of short ATA bows. The cams will still lean as the limbs twist under that much side pressure.
If it has a cable offset, it will have cam lean, but that can be dealt with same as we do now. I'd be more concerned about limb tip attachment integrity and the potential for adjustment/locking mechanisms to loosen under the extreme, repeated shocks they have to endure. Only a couple of years in shooters hands will answer that.
The technology on these bows is truly AMAZING. If they executed this well as far as build quality/reliability it will put all other systems in the dark ages with regards to tuning. The adjustments you can make in such micro increments with no need for a press are a game changer laterally, and it is "true" binary so vertical issues are non existent regardless of draw length. It will be interesting to see how this system works over the next year with regards to issues/reliability. (Never been Bowtech's strong suit)
It should be interesting for sure. One thing I will say is the Realm X is blowing my mind. Just did another full work up on one the other day and it is an unbelievably easy bow to shoot and tune and VERY fast for a bow with that geometry.
yeah, Deer Classic, Bowtech had one there. It was a RH model, but I can shoot either. 31" DL, IDK why they didn't drop it , apparently not many guys asked to shoot it like I did.
Draw curve was just OK, IMO. Nothing special, but not bad, ( I would need to shoot a 30" LH model to pass judgement) bow looked VERY good , IMO..I actually was able to run the cams back and forth with a Allen wrench, this is going to be one of the easiest tuning bows out there..
Not too mention with a Tightspot quiver, this will be one of the slimmest profile rigs , totally set up.
I've had several Bowtechs, I like the tune-ability of the yokes on the ODB cams, but the wide axles and harness DO catch on brush, IME.. I can tell a noticeable difference in stalking with a ODB vs a 2-track system....pure treestand hunters in the mature hardwoods may not.
I'm guessing they will have this system on a shorter hunting bow next year. Hard to tell shooting from 1 yds into a trailer at the show, but it did seem to point very well.
One of the attractive aspects of this bow, is that a guy can set it up for light fast arrows, say for pronghorn hunting, and then change to heavier elk arrows without a press, take a portable paper tuner along and you can do it in camp. Very neat concept, IMO !
Nice quick little review. Thanks. I have not actually had the chance to shoot one yet but everything I'm hearing is positive. If they did a good job with the reliability this technology is the biggest game changer in archery in the last 10 years.
Tuned one yesterday and all I can say is WOW! These bows are amazing to set up and tune. Unbelievably straight forward, quick and easy. Smooth draw and holds like a rock. I see one coming home with me next year before 3D season starts. I'm amazed actually, didn't quite expect that. I will start a new thread with photos and full work/tune up and review when I get another one in for tuning.
Ugly but awesome, I find the yokes are the reason I have to change my strings they rub on my pack and get worn, now I can get a tunable bow without yokes, I was thinking I had bought my last bow with the realmX, guess not
They are actually quite pleasing to the eye in person. I actually really like the look after holding one. When I first saw the photos of the bow I was a little put off by it, but seeing it first hand it's actually a really cool looking bow. They did a really good job with the cut outs on the riser and the front and rear splits are very cool and functional for lateral stability. The bow actually feels lighter than 4.5 to me but I think that is because so much of the industry is now lying about their mass weights. And because it's a full 35" ATA bow it kind of spreads the weight out over a longer span so it doesn't feel so heavy all in one place? If you know what I mean? IDK. Very impressive bow. Literally tuned to perfection in minutes with no need for a press. Pretty amazing.
elkman I like it a lot,never thought I would get a bowtech now I have two a realm ss which was the first and now a reckoning. no tearing it apart to papertune like I did my Mathews or yoke tuning like the realm now its just a allen key. took me five minutes to tune the reckoning and that's because I never used this system before. its very quiet and no hand shock. its a keeper and I go thru bows like sh===t thru a goose
Dammit...Dammit...Dammit. As Carcus Said, "I was thinking I had bought my last bow". I have 4 Bowtechs with the twin yoke system. It they come out with a 32" ATA bow with this cam, I'm afraid I won't be able to resist.
Since the Realm series was introduced and Bowtech quit outsourcing their limb production I have not heard of any issues. I did see one splinter photo on another website, but it looked like the guy had dinged it on the corner/edge of the limb so that could happen to any bow. I know I will be having a Reckoning coming home with me next spring in that gray color. I will have to see how it sets up and balances with a quiver on and weight etc... before I decide whether or not it will be a tournament bow or there will be 2 of them and they will be my "everything" bows. I love the dimensions and the riser geometry on this bow and the limb angle is exactly what I have been wanting some companies to get back to for the ultimate in accuracy and forgiveness. But I still want to see how the new axle system functions under real world conditions for a year before I plunge. Setting up and playing with these bows so far I would say it looks like they did a good job executing this new technology, but only time will tell. For now I will say it is the simplest and most user friendly system I have ever seen, and pretty much eliminates the need for a press outside of string changes, and or initial set up/tweaking which should be done at the pro shop you purchase from anyway. Pretty cool stuff.
One thing to note also: The draw pegs you see in that photo are infinitely adjustable for a totally customizable draw length/valley/feel in the back end in micro increments. You can easily up your holding weight, or up your let off by simply moving a peg without effecting your poundage or your tune.
Just set up another one thursday and same experience. Tuned in minutes, dead straight, dead level, and very little vibration, very dead in the hand. Draw length seems to be running pretty close to dead on. Have not done much with speed testing, but I will in the next week or two. This one was a black 70#