Tight Spot Quivers
The New Bowtech Reckoning at the ATA
Equipment
Contributors to this thread:
ELKMAN 11-Jan-19
ELKMAN 11-Jan-19
jingalls 11-Jan-19
McCree 11-Jan-19
longspeak74 11-Jan-19
ELKMAN 11-Jan-19
ELKMAN 11-Jan-19
DConcrete 11-Jan-19
Ambush 11-Jan-19
Ucsdryder 11-Jan-19
Trial153 11-Jan-19
APauls 11-Jan-19
JTV 11-Jan-19
PECO 11-Jan-19
standswittaknife 11-Jan-19
kentuckbowhnter 11-Jan-19
LINK 11-Jan-19
smarba 11-Jan-19
Nick Muche 11-Jan-19
Olink 11-Jan-19
kota-man 11-Jan-19
x-man 11-Jan-19
mountainman 11-Jan-19
Bowfreak 11-Jan-19
jingalls 11-Jan-19
12yards 11-Jan-19
Brotsky 11-Jan-19
jingalls 11-Jan-19
SDHNTR(home) 11-Jan-19
Bowfreak 11-Jan-19
7mm08 11-Jan-19
7mm08 11-Jan-19
Burly 11-Jan-19
LINK 11-Jan-19
krieger 11-Jan-19
carcus 11-Jan-19
sitO 11-Jan-19
standswittaknife 12-Jan-19
TD 12-Jan-19
Nick Muche 12-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 12-Jan-19
Bowfreak 12-Jan-19
midwest 12-Jan-19
ELKMAN 12-Jan-19
PECO 12-Jan-19
TD 12-Jan-19
cnelk 12-Jan-19
Snag 12-Jan-19
RogBow 12-Jan-19
ELKMAN 13-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 13-Jan-19
ELKMAN 13-Jan-19
ELKMAN 13-Jan-19
Ucsdryder 13-Jan-19
PECO 13-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 13-Jan-19
DConcrete 13-Jan-19
kentuckbowhnter 13-Jan-19
1boonr 13-Jan-19
walks with a gimp 13-Jan-19
Matt 13-Jan-19
Woods Walker 13-Jan-19
IdyllwildArcher 13-Jan-19
ELKMAN 14-Jan-19
jingalls 14-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 14-Jan-19
ki-ke 14-Jan-19
LUNG$HOT 15-Jan-19
Olink 15-Jan-19
midwest 15-Jan-19
WV Mountaineer 15-Jan-19
GotBowAz 15-Jan-19
ELKMAN 15-Jan-19
bowbender77 15-Jan-19
Timbow 15-Jan-19
ELKMAN 16-Jan-19
midwest 16-Jan-19
x-man 16-Jan-19
ELKMAN 16-Jan-19
carcus 16-Jan-19
Ambush 16-Jan-19
ELKMAN 16-Jan-19
ki-ke 17-Jan-19
ELKMAN 17-Jan-19
ELKMAN 17-Jan-19
LINK 17-Jan-19
ELKMAN 17-Jan-19
From: ELKMAN
11-Jan-19

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Pay attention here because there is more than meets the eye on that cam/axle system... 35 inch ATA 7 inch brace 4.5 pounds 335 IBO

From: ELKMAN
11-Jan-19

ELKMAN's embedded Photo
ELKMAN's embedded Photo

From: jingalls
11-Jan-19
That looks good! Can’t wait to shoot one!!!

From: McCree
11-Jan-19
Dang...just bought a Realm X...maybe I should have waited!

From: longspeak74
11-Jan-19
Elkman, aren't you supposed to be hunting!

From: ELKMAN
11-Jan-19
Yes. Always

From: ELKMAN
11-Jan-19

ELKMAN's embedded Photo
ELKMAN's embedded Photo

From: DConcrete
11-Jan-19
That is one fugly looking bow. Looks mean nothing but man that’s ugly

From: Ambush
11-Jan-19
I can see that attachment assembly becoming a trouble spot over time. Hopefully Bowtech has ten thousand shot sequences on a number of test bows. I'd be concerned about the overhung mass weight fatiguing the limb tips.

From: Ucsdryder
11-Jan-19
Wow that thing is ugly! Not that it would impact my decision, but damn!

From: Trial153
11-Jan-19
Ugliest bow I have seen years....looks like a two track though. That’s a good thing.

From: APauls
11-Jan-19
So would we be correct in assuming you are in some way involved with Bowtech now?

From: JTV
11-Jan-19

JTV's embedded Photo
JTV's embedded Photo
Bows keep getting uglier and uglier ..... Nah, I dont go out with ugly women, I wouldnt own an ugly bow ...... Now, my Ally, this one still has style and grace and still likes the fast lanes .... ;0)

From: PECO
11-Jan-19
I nominate this contraption for "Ugly Bow of the Year" award.

11-Jan-19
Horrible ugly bow... wow...

11-Jan-19
at 4.5 pounds the boat anchor guys should be along shortly.

From: LINK
11-Jan-19
I thought elkman was the bow anchor guy...

From: smarba
11-Jan-19
Interesting they are moving away from parallel limb configuration

From: Nick Muche
11-Jan-19
Ugly bow, but it is likely a shooter with the specs listed!

From: Olink
11-Jan-19
All I see when I look at that bow is a bow that should be very shootable (aka forgiving). If it indeed shoots like looks like it should, that would be beautiful. I personally find the bow sexy. (nice curves)

From: kota-man
11-Jan-19
I just bought my first Bowtech in quite a few years this year. Even the Realm X isn't as parallel as most bows on the market. I forgot how well Bowtechs hold, point and shoot. I'm certain this new one will be a shooter for sure.

From: x-man
11-Jan-19
Looks three track to me. Seems like a modified Guardian circa 2008.

From: mountainman
11-Jan-19
Like some others have said...

Looks don't mean everything. But it definitely isn't appealing to the eyes, at least to my eyes.

From: Bowfreak
11-Jan-19
"Ugliest bow I have seen years....looks like a two track though. That’s a good thing."

The PSE Moneymaker is jealous right now.

From: jingalls
11-Jan-19
That’s funny the reactions of a bunch of you on how ugly it is. My first thought was “DANG” that’s cool!!! Bet it’s a SHOOTER!!! Looks like a bat wing and “SEXY” is right on th money! But hey...I think the ugliest bows ever made are the Hoyt carbons!-)

From: 12yards
11-Jan-19
No yokes!

From: Brotsky
11-Jan-19
Right now in a dark cave somewhere Christian Bale is saying "I'm Batman!" and wondering how Bowtech got the plans to his bow.

From: jingalls
11-Jan-19
Spot on Bro!-D

From: SDHNTR(home)
11-Jan-19
I love those specs, and don’t care about looks, but where are the fixed yokes?

From: Bowfreak
11-Jan-19
No need for yokes....you move the cams wherever you want them via set screw.

From: 7mm08
11-Jan-19
Aren't all compounds ugly? I think it is cool, for a wheel bow.

From: 7mm08
11-Jan-19
Aren't all compounds ugly? I think it is cool, for a wheel bow.

From: Burly
11-Jan-19
Very ugly .

From: LINK
11-Jan-19
Bow freak how do you tune out cam lean?

From: krieger
11-Jan-19
I haven't seen the cam up close yet obviously, but I don't think there is much lean inherent in this system. Power stroke centering will be accomplished by laterally moving the cam left or right.

Same process as shimming an old two-track over, same process as loading and unloading the yokes on an ODB cam to get the power-stroke where you want it.

Setup should be as simple as setting centershot on the rest, shooting through paper or BS tuning and starting positioning the cam where you need it for perfect arrow flight. I'm betting you can shoot multiple spined/weighted arrows out of the same bow with retuning taking only minutes.

From: carcus
11-Jan-19
My first thought was fuk is this a ugly bow, awesome idea for cam tuning, I love yokes but I thinks this will be even better

From: sitO
11-Jan-19
Guess I never thought about a bow as "ugly" or "pretty"? How does it shoot?

Question: Are the fellas here that say this'n is ugly the same fellas that are getting pedicures? I'm just trying to figure out where that "sub-group" might be located, for scientific purposes of course.

12-Jan-19
I only get pedicures for myself that my wife pays for..

From: TD
12-Jan-19
Used Realms should get a good bit cheaper..... =D

From: Nick Muche
12-Jan-19
No pedicures Sito but that thing is hideous.

12-Jan-19
Ugly for sure. Nice specs though. 7 inch brace height and 34 inch axle to axle will make it a dead eye, easy to shoot bow.

From: Bowfreak
12-Jan-19
Ohio,

Being a 3 track slaved cam system the cables are on opposite sides of the cam. That helps to control. Unless there is some significant limb twist or other out of the ordinary issue any lean in the system would simply be cosmetic. By adjusting the position of the cam you are doing the same thing as yoke tuning.

Think of it this way...this bow should have the benefits of a 2 track cam system like an Elite but with less inherent can lean. It should also be as tunable as a Bowtech ODB.

From: midwest
12-Jan-19

midwest's embedded Photo
midwest's embedded Photo
Just remember what we used to think looked cool....

From: ELKMAN
12-Jan-19
There is an adjustment screw on the axles you can move the cam laterally with between the limbs to do lateral tuning. I'm not to sure on this one myself... Have to get my hands on it. Very cool to see innovation regardless. I just think they should have balanced it in some way.

From: PECO
12-Jan-19
I do not get my nails done, nor do I manscape. The bow is ugly.

From: TD
12-Jan-19
Well.... now we know how some folks choose their camo...... "gosh! that's purdy!" .....heheheheh.....

From: cnelk
12-Jan-19
That thing is FUGLY.

From: Snag
12-Jan-19
The saying “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” applies here....

From: RogBow
12-Jan-19
I had to look away

From: ELKMAN
13-Jan-19
Looks don't mean anything in bows. Look at Maaathews and how unbelievably ugly they've been ever since the waffle iron risers and people still buy them by the thousands. Hell the Triax doesn't even look like a bow at this point. Looks like somebody pulled the stock off of a cross gun and flipped it vertical...

13-Jan-19
ELKMAN, I bet I can guess what bow company are you shooting for now. But, to clarify, why don't you tell us.

From: ELKMAN
13-Jan-19
I have no affiliation with anyone this year as far as bows are concerned. I am tinkering this year and seeing what all I've been missing, and then we will see. I will say that right now the Realm series is the best all around hunting line being produced if your just looking at balance, grip, performance, tuning, and technology.

From: ELKMAN
13-Jan-19
I would not consider the Reckoning system really a hunting system until it has been out for a couple years. To much going on with the axle system for me to comfortable until it has been proven. I can pretty much guarantee they will have issues with this for a while. This is Bowtech after all. JMO

From: Ucsdryder
13-Jan-19
Elkman, did you just admit you’ve been blindly pimping hoyt without “seeing all that I’ve been missing” ?

From: PECO
13-Jan-19
I'm no fanboy, but the waffle riser is cool. Elkman, what broadhead are you pimping now?

13-Jan-19
I stand corrected. I was just confused because last year the RX1 was the pinnacle by your own words. Some where it became a less then perfect bow by your own admission. As this was coming about, you began to talk about Bowtech. So, I thought you were pimping them now.

From: DConcrete
13-Jan-19
He pimps nothing.

They pimp him. He’s the prostitute. They’re the pimp

But I will say this, if I were a bow company or anything to do with archery, I wouldn’t want him as a representative for my products. He sucks at being a salesman and he pushes people away from the brand.

I’d have to assume these companies don’t follow his social media, Otherwise, they’d run as fast as they could away from Him.

13-Jan-19
Still waiting on elk man to call this bow a boat anchor.

From: 1boonr
13-Jan-19
This bow may be ugly but gearhead wrote the book on ugly

13-Jan-19
What is "ugly" about it? It can only be the riser because the limbs and cams along with the roller guard have been like that for several years. It looks hell for strong to me and we want a ridged riser for a forgiving foundation. It also appears to be of deflex design, just looking at the one picture. I just don't see a "pretty" riser from anyone, what man doesn't want a rugged bow...

From: Matt
13-Jan-19
I am not a big looks guy, but that bow is butt ugly.

From: Woods Walker
13-Jan-19
The evolution of the compgun!

13-Jan-19
IMO, looks mean nothing when it comes to compounds. They're all gnarly contraptions.

The weight and the long ATA length mean I won't even bother trying to shoot it.

I'm glad to see someone's making a 7 inch BH bow again though. BHs have been getting ridiculously short. How do you even shoot a bow with a BH under 6 inches when you're wearing cold-weather gear without hitting your clothes?

Now I just wish they'd make one with carbon at 32 inches ATA that weighed a lb less and I wouldn't care if it looked like Hillary Clinton's face.

From: ELKMAN
14-Jan-19
It's 35 inches axle to axle and is still lighter than the Triax... So I wouldn't say it's heavy by today's standards. But to be clear I do wish it was lighter. (It is kinda ugly IMO)

From: jingalls
14-Jan-19
8^0 Just threw up in my mouth on that last comment Idy!!!

14-Jan-19
Dang Concrete. Tell us how you really feel.

From: ki-ke
14-Jan-19
I mean, yeah, I'm ugly as hell and it gets worse every year, but dang....i don't think I would carry that in the woods. It would be like pheasant hunting with Hilary Clinton! Am I right Idylll??!

From: LUNG$HOT
15-Jan-19
It’s definitely an extremely different look and design than anything Bowtech has had recently. Like Ike said, I’m out just based on how long the ATA is but for a bigger guy I’m sure it’s a shooter. And yeah.... that thang is DAM ugly! I’ll stick with my Realm.

From: Olink
15-Jan-19
I am dumbfounded by all the ugly comments. That is by far the best looking bow that I've seen in a while. Plus it's encouraging to once again see a hunting bow with a good A to A for those with a draw length over 28", a nice brace height, and no stupid reflex in the riser.

From: midwest
15-Jan-19
I don't think it looks bad at all.

15-Jan-19
They need a smoking hot women to model the thing. That away it would take the attention away from the bows looks.

From: GotBowAz
15-Jan-19
I kind of like it, maybe because I keep coming back to look at it and its growing on me. I love the tuning idea moving the cam with a set screw and getting the string back on the cam away from the yokes/limb ends. Im not a fan of compressing my limbs to twist/untwist to tune. Olink, I must be missing something. I still see the reflex rollers cable guide or are you talking about something else? I think this bow is sweet, Id still like to see the IBO a little faster and keep the 7 inch BH but I bet this thing is a tack driver.

From: ELKMAN
15-Jan-19
He's talking about the geometry of the riser. And I agree with him. Been awhile since I've seen a bow with that geometry. It is refreshing.

From: bowbender77
15-Jan-19
Looks like a winner to me.

From: Timbow
15-Jan-19
The Reckoning was my favorite bow I shot at ATA. Held great, super quiet, and tuning options are better than anything else out there with that new cam adjustment system. I'm loving the direction Bowtech has been going the past few years.

From: ELKMAN
16-Jan-19
Agreed. They must have some VERY good people in the engineering dept. as of late, and people at the top that are not afraid to make waves. As good as the Realm line is, and has been received, it would have been very easy for them to sit on this for 3 years before unleashing it on the market...

From: midwest
16-Jan-19
Anyone know what the let off is?

From: x-man
16-Jan-19
If those limb tips hold together, this will be the cam adjustment system of the future. Of course, I don't think this will work well of short ATA bows. The cams will still lean as the limbs twist under that much side pressure.

From: ELKMAN
16-Jan-19
Between 75 and 80% depending on how you set the valley. What side pressure are you speaking of? From the set screw?

From: carcus
16-Jan-19
Its growing on me! You can tune without a press!!!!

From: Ambush
16-Jan-19
If it has a cable offset, it will have cam lean, but that can be dealt with same as we do now. I'd be more concerned about limb tip attachment integrity and the potential for adjustment/locking mechanisms to loosen under the extreme, repeated shocks they have to endure. Only a couple of years in shooters hands will answer that.

From: ELKMAN
16-Jan-19
Agreed

From: ki-ke
17-Jan-19
I took the "plus size" girl to the prom once.

My friends laughed at me. I had a great time. ; ^ ))

I'll probably buy this bow....

From: ELKMAN
17-Jan-19
I like your style! LOL!

From: ELKMAN
17-Jan-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lInrhCESjaE

From: LINK
17-Jan-19

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Elkmans link

From: ELKMAN
17-Jan-19
I guess I don't know how to make those things work! lol!

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