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New lonewolf stand and sticks
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Contributors to this thread:
Scrappy 11-Jan-19
Trial153 11-Jan-19
Trial153 11-Jan-19
ROUGHCOUNTRY 11-Jan-19
ground hunter 11-Jan-19
M.Pauls 11-Jan-19
JTV 11-Jan-19
Shawn 11-Jan-19
ground hunter 11-Jan-19
JTV 12-Jan-19
JTV 12-Jan-19
ground hunter 12-Jan-19
Iowabowhunter 12-Jan-19
JTV 12-Jan-19
JTV 12-Jan-19
midwest 12-Jan-19
JimJones 12-Jan-19
JTV 12-Jan-19
Trial153 12-Jan-19
Scrappy 12-Jan-19
Panther Bone 12-Jan-19
Shrewski 12-Jan-19
JTV 13-Jan-19
marktm250 13-Jan-19
APauls 13-Jan-19
IdyllwildArcher 14-Jan-19
Tyler 14-Jan-19
Lost Man 14-Jan-19
midwest 14-Jan-19
12yards 14-Jan-19
Trial153 14-Jan-19
SLC 21-Jan-19
Franklin 20-Jun-19
JTV 20-Jun-19
APauls 21-Jun-19
moosenelson 21-Jun-19
buzz mc 21-Jun-19
Bowbender 21-Jun-19
Franklin 21-Jun-19
JTV 21-Jun-19
JTV 21-Jun-19
Trial153 21-Jun-19
Shawn 21-Jun-19
JTV 21-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
Scrappy 26-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
Panther Bone 26-Jun-19
Panther Bone 26-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
DT1963 26-Jun-19
Shawn 26-Jun-19
Shawn 26-Jun-19
Shawn 26-Jun-19
Shawn 26-Jun-19
Panther Bone 26-Jun-19
APauls 26-Jun-19
RK 26-Jun-19
JTV 26-Jun-19
RK 26-Jun-19
JTV 27-Jun-19
From: Scrappy
11-Jan-19

Scrappy's Link
New hang and hunt system from lonewolf.

From: Trial153
11-Jan-19
Not from lone wolf treestands.

From lone wolf customs...totally different company at this point.

I havent seen if lone wolf tree stands put out anything new. They have some models on there website that the claim arent going to be in stock for 2019...either they have new products coming out or they are going under.

From: Trial153
11-Jan-19
The stands and sticks look super btw, looking at about a grand for the stand and set of sticks though

From: ROUGHCOUNTRY
11-Jan-19
Very nice..........like how it incorporates small packs and sticks. I still have lighter stands like my old LocOn windwalker. He says it weighs 7 pounds which it looks lighter than that?

11-Jan-19
I have a Millenium M7, that is 7lbs..... the only thing I do not like about it, is the hanging system, but I like the weight. I use that presently with xop sticks,,,,, I also like the xop vanish.............

However, this is a lot of innovation, and looks pretty cool

From: M.Pauls
11-Jan-19
New gear rarely intrigues me these days. Nothing earth shattering here but I am definitely interested in some of these tweaks over my current lone wolf system. I will be waiting to hear about the rope system as well as I’d like to see it set up with the longer sticks. I’m not sure if it was strategic that he never showed that, as I’m assuming it doesn’t look nearly as slick. Is there no seat cushion? I also understand the the seat can carry a small pack, but the logic seams a little reverse, I’d like my pack carrying my stand! Pending on some of these little details I would consider sellong two current lone wolf setups to pay for one of these if I’m just off and these things were thought of

From: JTV
11-Jan-19
That Stand and Sticks is almost $1000 !!!! ........... no thanks, I'll stick with my Alpha II and the 4 regular LW sticks .....

From: Shawn
11-Jan-19
The cost is kind of crazy. 4 short sticks with tax will be a grand. I can use my original LW sticks or the Gorilla sticks and my Chippewa Wedge Loc Stands and carry only about a pound more and do it for under 5 bucks. I will admit if all you are gonna do is hang and hunts than it would be the cats ass! Shawn

11-Jan-19
There also all made in MI, USA and the guys doing the work, are not working for 10.00 an hour

From: JTV
12-Jan-19
so, I MUST run out and drop a grand ??!! (not !!).......... Ive got a good set up with the Alpha II/4 LW Sticks ...... I'm sure they'll get some to jump on the band wagon ... hell, I pack in my setup/gear to a mile or more now, but it dosnt look like one can use the rope option on the sticks either, your stuck with the straps (see below, a rope option is available).... .... but, more power to 'em if they sell some... heck, prolly sell a lot ... lol ......

From: JTV
12-Jan-19
for those with deep pockets ;0) ... does look good, just out of my cash range ... considering I have 2 chippy wedge locks, and 20+ other portables in my attic, along with the LW Alpha II/4sticks and 2 climbers ....lol .... he did say a rope option for the sticks is available...good Idea there

12-Jan-19
Well I think we have been so accustomed to so much made in China etc, that we fail to understand, the expense of items made here in the USA,,, plus the innovations of the design, the engineering and thought process, gets the price up there that is for sure....

If I was 35 and not 70, I would be all over it,,,,, depends on your priority etc,,,,, great design in my opinion, and for a serious mobile hunter I could easily justify the cost,,,,,

Just look at what some guys spend on clothing, and hunts alone,,,,,, I wish Andre well..... I really like Cody and am an xop fan

12-Jan-19
Would love to have the cash, but I'm going to go with the XOP I think

From: JTV
12-Jan-19
with most quality bows around grand or more, this stand/stick system and if a guy goes with the better higher end clothing/boots and bow/hunting accessories, a hunter can tie up $3000 easily ..... I guess that is why I still use my Allegiance and the Alpha II/4 reg. LW sticks .... this is not a poor mans game any longer ..... not that I'm poor, but ......

From: JTV
12-Jan-19
Has anyone heard about a patent infringement with this new set up .... I read elsewhere that Dan Infalt has the patent on solid machining stands, including the "water-jet cutting" ..... ???????

From: midwest
12-Jan-19
How could you possibly have a patent on a common manufacturing process?

From: JimJones
12-Jan-19
Midwest you beat me to it. Hahaha...

From: JTV
12-Jan-19
a comment was made by Dan Infalt that he has a patent on this ....

Hunting Beast Forum/Hunting Beast Forum Members:

"Heads up on the LoneWolf Custom Gear ..... I have the patent on machining stands ... they cant make a stand without my permission .... I will get to the bottom of it after the ATA show" ....

From: Trial153
12-Jan-19
Like anything else light weight is supper expensive. It would be nice to see the real weights with straps included as they are negating that part.

I can see a stand and step set up from LWC in my future.

From: Scrappy
12-Jan-19
The price is to rich for me, I learned this year a good pack frame eliminates the need for me to find a lighter sticks and stand.

Let's look at the whole picture here for a minute. The guy that originally invented lonewolf stand created a great company and then sales for a great profit I assume. Then turns around and helps his son build a company selling basically cheap foreign made knockoffs.

Now he creates yet another company even using lonewolf name.

Got to really suck for the guys that bought the original lonewolf company from him. Bet they wish they would of had a better contract that would of kept him from ever going back in business.

12-Jan-19
For real, Scrappy. You’d think a non-compete clause would’ve been implemented in the buyout.

Looks like a cool set. I’d rather spend that money on a hunting trip, at this stage in the game for me, though.

From: Shrewski
12-Jan-19
Hold on.

1. The guys that bought Lone Wolf are a group of lawyers, no? Good luck suing a group of lawyers for infringing on a patent for a common everyday manufacturing process.

2. It looked to me that the “new” Lone Wolf did not have much innovation without the original inventor at the helm. I took the Andre “custom” collection was LW hiring him back basically as a technical consultant. The stand and sticks look worth the money from here. Love my Lone Wolves and am glad they have something new and innovative to offer.

From: JTV
13-Jan-19
Ttt

From: marktm250
13-Jan-19
Heard him mention water-jet cutting for the stand base. Certainly provides a cool look (think back to American Chopper) and is strong but that is an expensive process.

From: APauls
13-Jan-19
Looks really nice! I want one!! I may not be able to afford it but I still want it :)

One thing is for certain that Andre D’Aquisto has a thing for starting tree stand companies

14-Jan-19
Brilliant. You get what you pay for. After buying and hating a tree saddle (that I bought for back country Coues hunting), this seems perfect for a back country mobile system. I'm on a Coues hunt right now and I'm not hunting the back country because it's just too much work to get camp and a stand/blind 3-5 miles from the road for a deer hunt in the middle of the winter.

From: Tyler
14-Jan-19
Thats a sweet looking setup! Im a firm believer in have a quiet light portable setup has helped me take some of my best animals!

From: Lost Man
14-Jan-19
Cool set up with a price thats hilarious....but you know the saying, there’s a hunter born every day

From: midwest
14-Jan-19
I see they brought back a new version of the Assassin due to the exploding popularity of saddle hunting.

From: 12yards
14-Jan-19
Nice setup, ridiculous price.

From: Trial153
14-Jan-19
Something to keep in mind. The weights listed are without straps and and seat cushions. When you figure them in and the fact that the stand is slightly heavier then stated it brings it way closer to the lone wolf assult weight.

I also just bought a Lone wolf climber that had stated weight of 17 pounds and took it out of the box and weighted it. 19.5 pounds.

Seems like telling the truth is a problem with the old and new lone wolf companies

From: SLC
21-Jan-19
Trial153 if you assume that then you have to assume it for every brand out there so the stated weight savings should be accurate with that thought, I to have a line wolf stand and sticks and don’t really care for the seat so I purchased a millenium m100u and after the ratchet reciever weight I was at 15.6 lbs on the stand alone so the lone wolf didn’t seem to bad to me plus after all said and done my entire lone wolf set up stand and 4 sticks only exceeded advertised weight by about a pound and a half.

From: Franklin
20-Jun-19
My "renegade" set up is the 6 lb Wind Walker....if I was looking right now I would go with the WedgeLok Ghost at 7 lbs and the 25" seat. That stand is $200 and change.

From: JTV
20-Jun-19
the Wedgeloks are some good portables, I have 2 but dont use 'em much cause I cant stand the chain weight, but I do see they have a strap system, I just wonder how large of a tree it will go around .... with my Sticks and the mod I did using rope and not using the straps, I go up 30" + dia. tree's, and with the extension for the stand straps, same there with larger dia. tree's, so there are more tree's I can get into .. the big Doe I killed last season was out of a huge cottonwood using my setup

From: APauls
21-Jun-19
LOL, I'd have a tough time buying from a company with that statement. So basically: "If you come to us for knowledge - we may lie to you." You've been warned.

From: moosenelson
21-Jun-19
Wow, that disclaimer pretty much brings my confidence level to zero! It's basically saying: lonewolf can post false info on their website and it's the cusromers fault for not knowing its false?!

If the manufacturer cant be responsible for their website info then they will not be responsible for their product.

From: buzz mc
21-Jun-19
Where'd the statement go? I read it this morning while in the reading room, so I know it was here. Why can't I find it on the Lone Wolf website? I'm not saying it's not there, just that I can't find it.

From: Bowbender
21-Jun-19
Buzz,

It’s under the terms/conditions page at LWCG.

From: Franklin
21-Jun-19
Someone mentioned earlier on another thread that he was making his own WedgeLoc strap/chain system out of cable and hockey pucks. The cost was so small you could afford to leave them up in your trees for return trips.

Some of these hunting suppliers are testing the waters of just how far they can take the pricing of their products. $150 for a quiver....$80 for a stabilizer....$400 for a sight...$900 for a set of camo, it`s getting ridiculous.

From: JTV
21-Jun-19
it seems that LWCG advertised certain products of being certain weights and being this or that, then those specs changed and people who pre-ordered with expectations of receiving the products at that advertised specs and LWCG is now trying to cover their behinds ... with what they are charging for those sticks/stand, I'd really be pissed .... I know some are ... kinda like a bow company advertising bows that dont come anywhere near the IBO specs they claim ....

From: JTV
21-Jun-19
$80 for a stabilizer, heck, thats cheap.. the Bee Stinger I'm looking at is $165 !! ... MicroHex Counter Slide 15" ...

From: Trial153
21-Jun-19
Caveat Emptor with lonewolf customs this guy is turning out to be as shady he was reputed to be. The whole thing stinks

From: Shawn
21-Jun-19
Franklin, that was me. 5/16th coated cable, two cable clamps and 2 hockey pucks and a ratchet strap. When you make them in quantity they can me made for around 10-12 bucks. I also made some out of cable and chain but the cost was a bit more and my first ones made worked so well I just went with the first way. Shawn

From: JTV
21-Jun-19
any pictures of those with the pucks ??

From: JTV
26-Jun-19
well so much for the "Hunt Ready" super lightweight advertising of the stand ... they advertised it at 7.5 lbs (hunt ready).... the actual weight of the stand "hunt ready is over 10 lbs !! ... my LW Assault is 11lbs at a fraction of the price of these super duper new stands ... the super light weight sticks they advertised are weighing more than they advertised also .... at $1000 for the stand and sticks, people got hosed !!

From: Scrappy
26-Jun-19
JTV your not getting it. Your paying all that money for false advertising so you can be in the cool look at me crowd.

From: JTV
26-Jun-19
I despise companies that make false claims on products... these are suppose to be the new super duper thingamajig and will make you a better hunter, or a bow that dosnt produce the speeds as advertised or clothing that rips out first season or boots that leak, etc. .... no wonder people get turned off, esp. at the prices that are out there today ... sheesh !!

26-Jun-19
JTV,

Where are you getting your weights/information? I was going to buy the stand, maybe.

I talked to Andre today. He said the stand came out 5oz heavier than they anticipated and the sticks were 3oz heavier.

Just curious.

Thanks

26-Jun-19
Based off what Andre told me today on the phone, and comparing with the specs on Lone Wolf website for the Assault, I should be 4lbs lighter with the Custom Gear setup.

I don’t know Andre and I’ve owned one Lone Wolf sit-n-climb. I’ve got no reason to try and start a pissing match. I’m just trying to actually figure out the facts.

It wouldn’t make sense to market a product and then once it goes into the consumers’ hands, all they do is weigh it, and you’re screwed. Nowadays, guys are weighing their gear like crazy.

I wonder if anybody here has ever weighed a Lone Wolf Assault, etc.

From: JTV
26-Jun-19
pm sent ....

From: JTV
26-Jun-19
Ive got the Alpha II, but I dont remember what the weight is by itself ... I have a Treestand Carry Support harness/straps system on it, and with the 4 LW sticks on it, its 20+ lbs, and in the cold, with all my gear and fanny pack strapped to it, I'm at 40lbs ...37 lbs in warmer weather, its that fanny pack that weighs a lot too ... I'm use to carrying that well over a mile to locations ... I'm opposed to dropping that money because what I have works so well for me ... I also have two lighter Wedgeloks I can use if needed .. I pack all my gear in and out every hunt, sometimes changing locations twice a day, depending on wind and time of year... I'm on state land and leave nothing overnight ... I pack it in, I pack it out

From: JTV
26-Jun-19

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From: DT1963
26-Jun-19
8 oz difference? That is equivalent to a double 1/4 pounder in the old bread box. I don't think that is going to limit most hunters, and truthfully most of us would be more effective trimming weight off our systems if we turned our attention to the region between the chest and waist :)

From: Shawn
26-Jun-19

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Here is a pic. Just add ratchet straps. Like I said when bought in quantity they are cheap to make. Shawn

From: Shawn
26-Jun-19

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Here is a pic. Just add ratchet straps. Like I said when bought in quantity they are cheap to make. Shawn

From: Shawn
26-Jun-19
I just weighed my hang and hunt set up. Everything including pack, 4 LW sticks, stand,. pull up rope, safety harness, couple screw in steps, bowholder, absolutely everything weighs 24 pounds. I could lose a few things and get it to 22. Shawn

From: Shawn
26-Jun-19
If I include my clothes and Danny pack which I do carry in I am right around 36#s. Shawn

26-Jun-19
Thanks for the pm, JTV. Thanks for the pics and info, Shawn.

Peace

From: APauls
26-Jun-19
It's pretty easy to make a hang on system for any stand. As long as you can get a loop of strong paracord or amsteel or something onto the top of your stand just under your seat all you need to do is put a cambuckle strap around the tree with a hook hanging off. Then hang the loop from the stand on the hook and you're done. Pretty simple, and all in for about $4/unit.

From: RK
26-Jun-19
I thought Andre sold lone wolf decades ago?

From: JTV
26-Jun-19
sold the original company, but somehow kept the name with slight changes in the name ?? ... I dont know how the heck that works ... I'm keeping my Alpha II and 4 sticks, they work great for me, had them since 2012 .. I could care less about this new stuff ... originally said the stand was 7.5 (hunt ready) and now it is 10lbs(hunt ready) ... yea, I'd be pissed too at that price

From: RK
26-Jun-19
That sounds like Andre. Thanks JTV

From: JTV
27-Jun-19
comments from Dan Infalt ...

Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:11 pm Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HuntingBeast/?ref=bookmarks Beast sticks and stand by dan » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:07 am "Mario, Rob, and I have been bombarded with questions and comments about our stands and sticks. I can't say its not entertaining to watch people speculate on whats going on. Sometimes its its pretty funny, other times annoying. You can trust me that I would like nothing more than to have an unlimited amount of product for you right now. Selling nothing nets nothing. Its not a marketing ploy to sell nothing while competing companies rush out copy products to beat you to market. Its hard to comment because I don't want to be held to something that don't come thru on time. People will beg you for an estimated time, then when you give it, later you see them bashing you for not making the time you said you hoped to achieve. So better to just be quiet on that front until reasonably sure. When you source out machining, and processes you are somewhat at the mercy of what they tell you for deliveries, and then if the product don't meet my standards when it does arrive, I won't ship it. period. Its hard to rush quality. We got into this to build a better mouse trap for ourselves, and along the way realized it would help a lot of other people be better hunters and enjoy hunting more, so we decided to put a lot of money and time into this. Jumping into this is a big investment for little guys like us, while trying to defend ourselves from big rich companies trying to take what we have invented.

It should be a great and positive venture, but instead we see people we trusted copy us, try to beat us to market, and try to force us out of market. Fortunately, we have a solid patent pending that we are very sure will go thru. We will never lie about weights, or push thru untested product, or product that don't meet our standards on what we want out of a stand / sticks. Quality and testing takes time. I would ask that everyone be patient, its coming... We are hoping our products inspire others like Tetherd and L/W Portable stands to strive to help hunters be mobile and to keep working on new and exciting products. There is plenty of room in this market for friendly competition. Its the un-friendly stuff we don't care for. "

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