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How far did this Doe go ??
This is the Entrance
This is the Entrance
This is the exit ......
This is the exit ......
Not to highjack Pats Blood Trail Challenge, but to use as an example as to the tenacity or lack there of on certain hits ..... How far did the Doe go ?? .. she came in with 3 others this past Dec. ....I was 21 ft up, the shot 28 yds, hit with a Steelhead XL, Full pass thru of course ...... also, what vitals were hit ... I'll give the answers after enough post, later today or tomorrow or the next day ...... I'm curious to what YOU guys think ... have fun .... btw, check out the nice large entry and exit of the XL ... that is why I like 'em
I’m gonna say 800 yards, one lung...If you caught the heart, less than 100 for sure.
I'm going to say double lung and heart, and she went less than 50 yards.
The true "void"...;)
400 yards or might have been a 2 day event.
A long way based on distance, height of stand, and low exit!
I'll go the other direction. You wiped out the vitals and she went 10 yards.
One lung, missed the heart. Don't know how far she went.....a better question would be how long did she live? I'd bet she lived a few hours, at least....
300 yards- little low on entrance from that high. Missed heart and only got entrance side lung.
Double lung plus heart. Distance-50yds
Perfect shot from the ground. Low from a tree stand. I think a decent distance.
Just a wag, lower lobe of 1 lung and sliced the heart... she went 400+ yds... bedded once, then died 50 yds past that bed
Amazing, I’d have guessed less than 75 yards.
The shot looks very low for 21 ft up but may be just the camera angle on a dead deer laying on the ground. Guessing single lung and went a long ways. Possibly still alive after a few hours.
This is one of those hits where a big mech shines.
I’m gonna throw this out there as well ... it appears that for your stand height and the shot distance the exit seems it should have been higher. I’m thinking there was a little deflection on bone when the arrow hit. A possibility?
21 feet up??? Doesn't look like much of a height difference from entrance to exit? The angle just doesn't look like your 21 feet up. I'd say 100 yards
I’ll also guess you hit on side lung lower third and exit side missed the off side lung and sliced the very bottom of the heart and the deer went 600 + yards
one lung, 200 yards, bedded several times
One lung and heart. 55 yards
Double lung and possibly some heart. Took off with the flock, stopped with the flock and fell over. Depending on cover, thirty to eighty yards.
Hit lower part of onside lung, nicked heart and just missed offside lung. Went 350 yds total. You recovered it 5 hrs 17 minutes after the shot. It was a red fox that was chewing its butt.
56 yards, tons of blood to follow! Actually you saw the deer go down.
That is a perfect shot if you say anything more than 100 yards you’re lying
Clipped lower part of heart 78 yards
I’m amazed so many knowledgeable guys have so many DIFFERENT opinions... Ok c’mon with the answer
The last couple of deer I shot at that height those kind of entry exit wounds went 10-50 yds tops.
Moons 22, First off, I dont lie ;0) ... .... some are close ... yup, 21 ft up .... it was measured by my haul rope and range finder...... she was two yards in front of my 30 yd tree/marker which put her at 28 yds .... I actually thought I hit higher, even with a red lighted nock, it looked to be a higher hit, you dont always hit where you think, it happens so fast (303 fps arrow too) ... blood started 5 yds from where she was standing, she turned and went out the way she came in ..... and then ....................
1 lung, heart and 150yds and this is a wag
the dark little tree that is a Y to the center lower right in the wider opening is exactly 30yds, she was two yds in front of that tree ..... she was going left, after coming to full draw, I bleated her to stop, after the hit she spun and started the way she came ..... and then ...........
ooops forgot the pic ...lol .......
Onside lower 1/3 lung and the heart. I've seen them go 250-300 hit just like that and, I've seen them go 25.
It all depends on how soon you started tracking her and if you bumped her if you started too soon.
ok I'll guess but that's all it is. cause two different deer hit the exact same place will react completely different. my guess is 125 yards
I didn't read the comments until after posting. But, there is no way I can see that shot missing the heart by much. If at all. Looks to me like it exited perfect mid heart level. So it just about had to hit the top of the heart at least. Plus, there is no way that missed the onside lung and hit the offside lung. It may have hit both lungs. It may have hit the onside lung only. But, it didn't miss the onside lung and hit the off side one. That is an absolute given.
nearside lung, heart, 75yds
After looking again, that shot dead centered the heart. No doubt about it. On side lung low and pin wheeled the heart
200 yards, just a WAG but.. I hit one like that a few years ago and it didn't go far but took a while to expire. You hit Just behind the heart where the two "little" lobes of the lungs hang down just behind the heart. (my shot grazed the heart but didn't pierce through it) The large lobes of the lungs were basically untouched therefor not a short/quick recovery. I sat there in awe watching in the binoculars and couldn't believe this deer was still alive after a "perfect" shot like that.
Pat took his ball and went home?
There you go JTV. At least one cliffhanger too many. Pat just classified this thread as “Scroll Bait”.
What the heck does Pat know ... look at the junk he puts down, he could learn something here .... ;0) .... some are close, others not so much ...they are the ones whining on the Blood Trail Challenge .... lol ...
You posted the results of this on the CF. It went 400 plus yards, maybe half mile if I remember correctly.
many here dont dare go to the CF... so do you also enjoy taking suckers away from children .... ... as I said, Ill post what happened TOMORROW ...
It was on the thread 'Things in Common'.
"many here dont dare go to the CF... "
Or gay clown orgies, first I heard that was a character flaw.
Ha ha... oh, Matt, you kill me.
anyways, since some now have their g-strings wound up tight and as most threads on here do, deteriorate, I'll finish .... Tomorrow is now today .... the Doe went 630 yds as measured on HuntStand ..... the back lobe of the entrance side lung was hit and the bottom of the heart sliced, the right side lung was untouched ... as I said, even with lighted nocks, it look like I hit higher... as she ran off I kept wondering why she didnt go down, she cleared the 200+ yds to the finger of woods in seconds... I took my time getting down, took the stand and sticks down, packed it all up and went to the hit sight, there was hair where she was standing and blood started about 5 yds away.. it looked good from the start, she went thru a green field and into tall grass, I followed thru there to where she went in the woods, about hour had now passed, I hit her around 4:20, right before sunset ..... I figured I'd find her within that finger of woods, it was now about 5:30 ........ nope, she was on a well used trail and she kept going... luckily there was blotchy snow down, and that helped in trailing.... she was bleeding from both holes .... I kept thinking she cant be much farther... when I hit the bed, I stopped and backed out, there was quite a bit of blood there ... I walked back to the truck, over a mile away, put up my gear, took the heavy clothes off, texted my buddy in SC and waited a bit before heading back out ... it was now two+ hours after the hit ..... I went back to where she bedded, took up the trail, and she was 50 yds past that bed on another well used trail dead and stiff ..... I would bet she died within 1/2 hour after being hit, but since I took my time, she stiffened up, Temp was about 34 degrees .... It was now after 7pm, I tagged her, field dressed her and then I went again back to the truck and got the cart and went back in to get her, it was after 9pm when I got her back to the truck ....
I wanted this to be a learning thread, unfortunately some just like to ruin threads it seems .... some hits are not what they seem, I am now sold on the use of lighted nocks, even though I still thought I hit higher, I still like the idea of seeing the hit, even with a fast arrow ... I'm glad I took my time, even thought she went a distance, a deer can cover that in no time at all as she did covering the first 200 yds... she slowed down and was walking for the last 300 yds it looked like, so she wasnt pressed ... she bedded, got up walked the 50 yds and fell dead ... here is the lung(s) and the heart showing what was hit, her body cavity was full of blood, and she never bled from the nose or mouth, they were clean when I got to her ... ..... if I hit a few inches higher, Id have hit both lungs and 'prolly have watched her go down... dont take for granted a good hit is a good hit, dont press the deer and the saying "when in doubt, back out" is a good one to follow ....
Good post. Because you stuck with it, and got her. I see so many that make "perfect shots", then fail to recover the animal, and blame it on anything they can dream up. The broad head, mostly, though. Your shot was almost perfect, yet the deer went almost a half mile, and that could have happened with any arrow/bh combination.
One thing I've learned about hunting deer, there are no nevers, and there are no always. Things often happen fast, our mind and eyes play tricks on us. The best/worst shot I ever made was on a 150+ buck drinking at a waterhole... He was at 40 yards, completely calm...when I shot, he ran about 10 steps, and stopped to look around. I put my binos up to see what happened....just as his rear end began to wobble, and he stumbled back almost to where he standing at the shot, and died.
The broad head cut the artery that runs along the back, just under the spine. A little lower, and it would have caught both lungs. Again, equipment had very little to do with the outcome. It's usually the guy behind the bow.
Just curious what head were you using?
Judging by Pat's buck I was going to say 35 yards.
Just goes to show the tenacity of some animals refusing to die. really doesn't matter what broadhead he used, sliced the bottom of the heart and only got the back lobe of the lung. To miss the right lung all together, I think you said you were 21 feet up, the quartering shot must have been fairly acute also (more so than you thought), because of the entrance wound side was just above the elbow pocket and where the exit hole was. I would not have thought she went that far, if I would have made same the shot also. Thanks for passing along this info. Don't laugh, you may have caught her on the exhale with her breathing when the arrow impacted. Her lung size would have been smaller allowing for the possibility of missed right lung. Where if the impact was on the inhale, the space the broadhead went through "may have" been filled since the broadhead cut thebottom of the hear. Just another possibility as to why you didn't get both lungs. DANNY
I'm always a day late and 100 yards short....;)
Cool thread JTV.
ELKMAN, a Rocket Steelhead XL (1.5" cut) ... now discontinued.... I have used them since they came out and killed a few dozen deer using them and I still have a supply left of 'em .... Ive killed some BIG bucks with them, never had one fail, they ALWAYS open... I try to kill at least one deer a year using them (I can take two here with archery tags, which is plenty for me, one buck and one doe) ... they are the only Mech. I'll use (and the regular Steelheads also) ..... some one above ^^ said this was a good reason to use a big cut Mech...... if I was using the smaller cut Viper Trick(my fav. fixed head), would I have found this deer ? ..... would I have cut what I did and damaged enough internally ? .... I dont know .... something to ponder ......
Years back, I hit another big Doe low using a Rocket Sidewinder (1.5" cut), one blade of the three cut a perfect slice thru the bottom of the heart, she went about 300 yds, was a BIG doe too, went 130 field dressed, would I have got her if I used a Slick Standard, one of my favorite Slicks back then... I dont know ... There are times a big cut Mech. can shine ...
I'm a huge fan of the Steelhead and all I've used last two years.
Love Steelheads too. Have a big supply of the old 125s.
^^ those are a 1.25" cut, the regular Steelheads are 1 1/8" and of course the XL's are 1.5" ... all great heads ... I wish they would make the XL's again .....
Don't be so sure on the double lunger. I double lunged my buck this year with a razor sharp head and for whatever reason he lived at least 15 minutes. When I went to see the hit and did about 40 yards of tracking he was close by in a bed and got up. I backed out and came back 6 hrs later he was stiff. Don't know if it was something in the air this year, but there was a lot of weird blood trails this year on great hits.
Prior to that any other double lunger I have shot is good for about a 6 -one-thousand-crash.
For those that use Steelheads, they are no longer shown on their site, so Im guessin they are no longer available ... smh ....
Looks like I'll be stocking up on the steelhead 100 if they've been discontinued. They've been my go to head for just about everything for the last 20 + years. I've been buying a pack every now and then just to have and at $19.95 a pack how could you go wrong. I do see on their web site that they have the sidewinder heads for only 14.99 a pack of 3. I've killed quite a few whitetails with them.. But I love my steelheads.. Ed "Edit" Sorry guys it should of said $19.95 a pack not $10.95.. So I changed that price to the right one.. Sorry.
looks like they have redesigned the Sidewinder some, now called the XT ... I may have to look at it ... Ive killed numerous deer with them back in the day, I used to used 'em before the Steelhead XL's came out because of the 1.5" cut .... I used the original Sidewinders when I set up a urban deer hunt program in a local town (early 2000's), as I didnt want deer running far if there was a marginal hit ... they didnt go far either .. the older original design is $14.99 clearance, the New Sidewinder XT is $29.99
good post- I religiously study ever bow killed deer I am part of, regardless of who shot it. There is ALWAYS something to be learned. I study blood trails religiously even when I see deer drop in sight which fortunately is often, but not every stand is optimal for that, I have many spots where you can't see them drop if they go more than 25 yards so then what? I don't care if you shot 1 deer with bow or 1,000 - you should study and focus on every shot and recovery and remember every detail.
I do the same, even if I see it go down, I follow the blood trail .. I autopsy every deer killed, look at entrance and exits, angles ... the more I can learn the better ...... The buck I killed this year, I thought was more broadside, but he was a tad quartering to me I guess.... the lighted nock broke off going thru so it was useless, but at 22 yds, I saw the hole where the arrow hit, took out both lungs and clipped the liver on exit using my modified Viper Trick, big holes and massive internal damage, the hit was good, a tad high, angling down and back ...the blood didnt start for 25 yds, and it really wasnt profuse, I watched him go down at 60 yds, go figure, he bled thru the mouth/nose and really spewed the last 10 yds... no hit is the same, no kill is the same ....
Great post and great recovery. I shoot the Wasp Boss Bullet for years and they would shot through anything but didn't make a big hole. I double lunged the last buck and he went 225 yards. There was very little blood for the first 200 yards. I changed over to a larger cutting mechanical broadhead and really like larger holes.
I have seen both extremes. I shot a doe in 2012 that went around 500 yards according to my GPS. When dark hit I asked gentleman with tracking dogs to help me out. We found her quite quickly and he speculated that the deer must not be hit as well as I thought. She apparently never stopped until she piled up minutes after the shot. I hit both lungs and creased the top of the heart muscle. On the other extreme I killed a button buck with my car going about 10mph. He went to the road edge and expired.
I hunt woods with not much agriculture around. Deer tend to run after the shot and stop further out. When I watch some hunting shows when deer are in fields/food plots and the hit looks perfect, it seems those deer run like hell and cover a lot of ground. Maybe its a security thing. As others have said, each hit is different.