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What state would live in
When my wife and I retire would like to move out west for 2 reasons, the state we live in is a tax heavy state ( Minnesota ) but the biggest reason is we would like to get resident status for hunting opportunity reasons. Been looking at Wyoming because it doesn’t tax the heck out of you. The other reason is all the wilderness areas that would become available to us. my wife and I are DIY ( I think though as I’m getting older we might change it to DYI hunters, do yourself in) back country Bowhunters. Any thoughts??
Wyoming offers residents OTC tags for General Elk and deer in good areas like G and H also. These tags take non-residents 2-6 years to draw.
If you want a reason where to move go to striker@home video the decision is pretty simple.
If you want a reason where to move go to striker@home video the decision is pretty simple.
Alaska far in the wilderness - The show "The Last Alaskans" I enjoy watching. It may be fake but it makes it look good. Corrupt Madigan & Pritzer are going to tax the day lights out of everyone is Illinois. One thing for sure is if I move it won't be to a blue state.
Hey Crosscut don't leave me here alone with all these nut-jobs and TAXES!!!
Anyway, if you must go my pick would be Wyoming...or even Oregon as I always liked the Roosevelt variety myself and the country they live in.
Wyoming = wind and long, cold Winters. Maybe that will keep the California progressives out. Wyoming would be my choice/
I say what I would always say. Alberta. It's like Alaska but it also has record setting mulies and elk and whitetails, bighorns, goats and pronghorns, warmer winters, low taxes, Conservative government, mountains, essentially heaven on earth. Believe there's even OTC sheep tags but I could be wrong. Could be a resident draw.
Typical - When they can't argue the facts they start to name call. Why is it the most broke states in the union are blue? Why is it that the states with the highest decline in population are blue? You'd think with the sanctuary cities and policies the populations would go up. Socialism doesn't work. Next....
How do you become a resident of Alberta??
How do you become a resident of Alberta??
I wouldn’t do well with the big swings in daylight and darkness. Is there much of an elk population in Alaska??
Hands down Wyoming. In states like Colorado and Montana residents still have a hard time drawing some tags. In Wyoming you can buy some really good tags otc if you are a resident as Elkstabber mentioned. Plus all that wilderness is there for the taking with no non resident competition. In my mind there’s no question. No state has to offer a resident hunter what Wyoming does. I like this house in the Wind River range. I bet it has a guest room for me and Elkstabber!
No not really. Just on Afognak Island.
Colorado is now blue-blue and lib lemmings are flocking here as fast as they can load up the moving vans in California. The sad thing is that a narrow strip of geography controls the messed up policy decisions for the entire remaining expanse of this (formerly) great state.
If I wasn't 65 with such deep roots here I would get the hell out and move to WY. Would have done it 20 years ago but my late wife wouldn't go for the wind and 7 months of winter.
Wyoming as first choice, Montana a close second.
Wyoming has no state income tax and reasonable property tax. O.T.C. elk tags and a better climate than your coming from. Best of luck on your decision.
Spend part of every summer in Newfoundland/Labrador. If I had discovered that place in my twenties, I would be there right now. Next year we will be spending 6 months there.
Wyoming! Nice picture Mule Power, I live about a mile from there. Crosscut, I have two lots that I would sell a mile from that picture!!
Mule, I don't need much room. That house probably has a closet big enough for me to sleep in.
In 3 more weeks my wife and I are packing the car, movers packing the house, and starting the drive to relocate to WY. Should be in the house March 11.
No question Wyoming. I hope to retire there myself one day, just across the border from SD! Ha!
If you're moving primarily for the diversity/availability of big game hunting, personally I'd rank the top 5 best states/provinces as: 1. BC, 2. Alaska, 3. Idaho, 4. Wyoming, 5. Colorado. Unfortunately, for most US citizens, BC won't be a realistic option. And if you can't/won't relocate from the lower 48, then Alaska is off the table. Which leaves Idaho as the next best choice IMO. Every year, you could bow-hunt mule deer & whities, hunt elk, hunt lion (including with hounds), hunt bear (bait and hounds allowed), hunt wolves (including trapping). Depending on your age, your odds to eventually draw all of the big-4 species are pretty good....the best resident odds of any western state (2 species of sheep, Mt Goat, Bull Moose & Cow Moose). They've also got pronghorn. Once you become a resident and buy a lifetime hunting license, you are in the resident draw pools for life, regardless of future residency. Plus, some of the best stream fishing in the world. Widespread conservative politics is a nice bonus. It sounds like I'm trying to convince myself to move ;-)
I would move to the vicinity of Buffalo, Wyoming if I didn't have such deep roots where I currently live. I've been through there 7 or 8 times, and I love everything about that area. The Bighorns, the plains to the east, the Black Hills country farther east, the Wildcat hills in western NE, etc.
I might actually do some looking around, but WY would be it. I LOVE the area of western NE, western SD and eastern WY to just west of the Bighorns. I've traveled and hunted out there, and it's just beautiful country with friendly people. I LOVE the plains for some reason. Can't get enough of them
I hunted Wyoming from 1975 to 1999 and loved every trip. DIY hunts on National forrest lands with my oldest hunting buddy, who moved there in '76.
My knees are now a memory, and that glorious high counrty is relegated to memory. As much as I enjoyed it, I'll never leave Wisconsin, but kudo's to y'all.
My wife and I enjoyed Buffalo a lot. Hunted deer a little south and east on a river bottom a couple of years ago.
Crosscut, they are 6 miles east of Dubois WY
Rob H, where in WY are you moving to? You will need to change your handle! :)
deadeye, I thought that looked like Dubois. pm'd you. TK
Wife and I escaped Minnesota nine months ago. We landed in Colorado, south of Denver 60 miles. No doubt this state is turning blue. But not as bad as Mn politically. Weather is much better than Mn, both summer and winter. My real estate taxes are half of Mn. My state income tax in Mn was north of 9%, it’s a progressive system that punishes success. In Colo my state income tax is between 4 and 5%. From a pure tax standpoint Wy is better. From a weather standpoint, Colo is better, in my view. Politically Wy is better.
I keep coming back to Wyoming also. I currently live in ND, so I am used to cold and wind. I like season changes so southern US is out. I was leaning toward Boise, but it has recently been inundated with people fleeing Kalifornia, Oregon and Washington.
BTW- As a former resident of MN for 20 years, you have my sympathies. I miss the people, but I do not miss the political environment.
Wyoming intrigues me aside from the bears...not the black variety.
We enjoyed Idaho, really like the town and area of Salmon. However we did not like the tax situation of that state. A good friend of mine from Cali, told me Idaho is the new destination for those leaving Cali. Fact checking was scary, Idaho is done. Wyoming was awesome, but expensive to get in, where we want to be. We looked hard at Pinedale and Alpine. J-hole not an option for many reasons. Another thing about Wyoming, some people were skeptical of us being from Colorado. Once we got talking they knew we were OK and offered lots of great inside info.
deadeye, moving To Buffalo! Weather a bit milder than NH, about the same but a small amount milder, summer and winter, great people, area and hunting!
Maybe we should all move to Wyoming and rename the state Bowsite.
Don't come WY to windy. CO or MT is better. :)
whats wrong with taxes, its made America the wonderful free place to live, taxes are the basis of civilization.
How do you guys talk your wives into moving to a place that is about hunting and fishing? Help Me.. My wife was born in Cali and she wont leave.
Wow - here I thought it was hard work and capitalism and freedom that made America such a great place...who would’ve thunk it was really taxes that made us great.
I can tell you where not to live New Jersey !!!!!!
What Bowboy said. It really sucks here!
Midwest: "Wyoming = wind and long, cold Winters. "
-- Don't underestimate this ... hunting is fine, but winter here is the Real Thing, including the psychological torture of "Second Winter", which is actually worse than "First Winter" and starts about mid-March. Oh, wait -- you're from Minnesota. You'll be fine.
I am considering Flagstaff Arizona or Show Low Arizona. Demorats are killing this state. They want to make it a sanctuary state!
South Dakota. Lots of public land, a lot of opportunities at different species. Good fishing. Last I checked the economy was doing good.
I just knew better than to open this thread, now I want to move to Wyoming too.
Talked the wife into leaving Texas for iowa in 2007. Move to Wyoming for ten years and then retire back to Texas sounds like a good plan to me. Now to get the wife on board.
Huntable game in BC includes.
Turkey, coyote, wolf, bobcat, lynx, cougar, wolverine, whitetail, mule, black tail and Sitka deer, RM and Roosevelt elk; Stone, Dahl, Cali and RM bighorn sheep, goat, Mountain caribou, moose, bison. Black bear and hopefully grizzly again some day. There’s even talk of a seal, sea lion season coming.
Lots of small game, fresh and salt water fishing.
The province, unfortunately is politically controlled by the little south west corner. They imagine and call themselves the California of the North.
I can’t believe anyone at all lives in Idaho, South Dakota, or even Colorado when Wyoming is right next door! I hope that one day when I see this sign I have everything I own in a trailer behind me!
We are making the move also for retirement. Looking for a house now. About 80% sure it will be WY but having a hard time deciding where in the state to settle.
No major airports in WY which makes it hard to fly in without spending a lot of extra time on connections to regional airports.
Bob H, Buffalo is a great area/town. I almost took the Postmaster job there years ago, but my family wanted to stay in Dubois. I sign on the edge of town says "Valley of the Warm Winds", but it should read "Valley of the Constant Winds". And we have more than our share of grizzlies, makes for some exciting elk hunting, I've been charged twice while guiding. But you couldn't ask for a greater community. The support that is given for things like cancer fund raisers or scholarships is absolutely amazing!
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Wyoming or MT for me. Possibly Idaho. Colorado wouldn't be on my radar.
As I type this from my office in Fort Collins...
here are the actual moving stats for 2018 … After 40 years in Alaska I like the central Oregon Coast a lot. Good hunting and fishing close by and more hunting and fishing by driving east.
Moving In … The top inbound states of 2018 were: Vermont, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, South Carolina, Washington, North Carolina, South Dakota, District of Columbia.
If there’s a single guy reading this I’d definitely go to BC or Alberta for the Canadian women alone!
I'd do WY. Resident tags for WY are pretty tough to beat, god I love that state. If my wife weren't such a home-body I'd be living there right now.
Who has some land in Wyoming for sale? We should pool our resources and buy some land. Build on it and call it Bowsiteville. No weapons restrictions in city limits. Convenents- Archery targets mandatory in every yard. (Elevated shooting platforms not required but encouraged) Open carry is required by every citizen. (But that does not count the concealed weapons you have) It would be great. Every night would be a game feed!
But since we are old bowhunters, we would need an orthopedic clinic to set up shop nearby to take care of our broken bodies. Joint, torn labrum and knee experience preferred.
We plan to retire in Wyoming. Seven to ten years. Just need to figure out which town. We want acreage, privacy and easy access to hunting, fishing and skiing. 30 minutes from a city that has all the amenities, including a decent hospital. Pete
“30 minutes from a city that has all the amenities”
pterk, what exactly is your definition of a city? Cheyenne is a little north of 60,000, Casper even less. It dwindles down from there. Does “all the amenities” mean more than one Taco Bell? ;-)
Why would you want to move here?
Definitely Wyoming so I wouldn't have to hire an outfitter to hunt wilderness areas that belong to me. Maybe California so I wouldn't have to worry about vacation time during mountain lion season. Toss up...
Wyoming, Idaho, & Montana are all pretty good with good opportunities.
Arizona is warmer and has very long archery deer season plus much better odds as a resident for elk and other critters. AZ seems to be sliding blue though - lots of illegals voting democrat.
I fly across WY once or twice a year going back to MN, and other than the western part with the Wind Rivers and the Bighorns a little east, most of the state looks like barren sage brush and desert. And lots of drilling going on. Not really impressed, and I have hunted there.
Styker, that looks like an Alaskan brownie on the billboard.
I was looking at MT around Roundup and Hamilton areas. The bro lives NE of Missoula. I think I'm moving away from that MT idea because the political landscape is changing. I've been looking around WY too. When I went thru WY the first time back in the 1980's things were pretty cheap and folks were few. I went thru Dubois in the mid-1990's property looking. I spoke to the lady at the Chamber of Commerce to pick her brain. She was complaining of the fleeing Californicators moving in and overpaying for property and jacking up taxes. Looking at the prices in that area now....I think she was on to something.
I love hunting WY but man that state is too cold and windy for too long for me. Hunting elk in October a few years ago and it got down to neg -15 degrees and snow .....in October..Think I’ll stay right here in the south west .
Mark U nothing looks impressive from a plane except for something extreme like the Tetons. If you flew over this and yawned I’m not really sure where you’d be happy to call home!
Heads up Wyoming, looks like your next! From a Minnesotan transplanted to Colorado 30yrs ago.
If I were a younger man, you Wyoming guys would have a new neighbor !
I am moving out, too many bears and wolfs here!
For all the places you're considering, get a good weather app and watch it for each of them for a season.
Weather underground has a historical option that provides weather from the past. You pick the date.
Moved out of liberal,tax laden Mn 16 yrs ago to NE SoDak.Kind of a heaven on earth area for me with few people,no income tax,world class fishing(yes better by far than Mn's 10,000 Lakes),waterfowling,upland hunting and very good deer hunting.Worked all these years to create a wildlife farm that is hard to beat.If wanted,2 great deer a year plus pheasants,ducks and geese galore right out my door.Only one problem,winters.This year a brutal problem and as much as I love snowshoeing and chasing coyotes,at my age it's just too much.Particularly with a wife that suffers joint issues(lymes) made worse with cold.We are moving.Knowing this day would come,we have been looking.Looking hard at Wyoming,but whether checking records online or physically looking it's hard to avoid facing windy,fairly severe winters there.In addition,really look hard at land prices.If you want more than a small lot it's not 'free range' anymore.Have friends there and haven't ruled it out but if getting up in age do you want 'winter'?Can you realistically avail yourself of all the hunting opportunities from a physical standpoint?I'd say go when young or middle age,not when elderly.The cowboy hat gets loose with age.
MarkU I also said the same thing but it’s the image is what I like. This billboard was outside of Thermopolis on the highway to Cody so loved the statement towards everyone heading to Yellowstone
wyobullshooter, ya probably should clarify. Amenities mean food, hospital, auto repair, home building/repair materials. The big one though is hospital. I will be 60, or close to it by the time we get out there, so the ability to care for me and my wife become a priority.
The hospitals in Cheyenne don't have the best reputation. A lot of locals go to CO for medical care. Housing prices in Cheyenne is very high. I travel the state and I would highly recommend Buffalo. Your only about 30 minutes from Sheridan.
Also WY doesn't have a lot of good airports for travel. Most people go to Denver or Billings.
You should take into account your retirement income. If over $150-200k, then WY. If less than 100k then MT and ID become more attractive.
Don't worry about living close to a major airport, if the new Queen Alexandria gets her way with her so called new Green Plan, in 10 years we'll all be back riding the stage
BullBuster, how do you figure? Wyoming is one of the top tax-friendly states for retirees. No state tax, low sales tax, low property tax, plus qualifying seniors get up to a $900 refund on their property/sales tax and utilities.
Midwest, the higher your income the higher your tax rate and the more attractive a no tax state becomes. With lower income u pay less taxes and higher tax states affect you less. Montana and Idaho have graded state income taxes
Wyoming. However, if funds were not an issue, I’d do Alaska and hunt every day there was a season open. Then fish and trap the rest. It just takes money to charter in to these places. So, I’d settle on Wyoming if forced to. :^)
I'll second what Jaquomo said. Get a weather app and watch, western states are HUGE, to say WY is cold with long winters might be misleading. We've watched Buffalo for 2+ years on a weather app and it's roughly the same as southern NH temp wise, possibly a bit more mild at the extremes, summer and winter. Drive 50 miles and all that changes, the wonders of the mountains!
Washington is a nice place to live. I might actually go back there after I retire. Killed more elk in WA than I did in MT. And caught bigger fish... and lots of them :)
"Wow - here I thought it was hard work and capitalism and freedom that made America such a great place...who would’ve thunk it was really taxes that made us great." Amen, Mitch!
Just make sure the wife is on board, especially re. cold, wind, griz, distance to shopping, etc. before you move. When I escaped from Kalifornia and moved to western WY five years ago (haven't regretted it once, BTW), I was told that 90% of the reason folks leave WY is because the ol' lady didn't like it. (Being single, I don't have that problem.) In fact, I bought my house from a couple who were moving back to TX because of the wife.
I was also told something very profound: "If the weather in WY was always good, we'd have ten million people living here instead of just 600,000." So true! For me, the trade-offs were worth it, but YMMV.
The comment about a younger single man moving to BC for the women got me thinking. I met a transplanted resident in Wyoming that told me "if you ever move out here, bring your own woman with you. I've had 2 relationships in 15 years and they both came from out of state. Men out number the women out here about 3-to-1." At that time I was single and it got my attention.
Like peterk1234 I too am looking for the "goldilocks location". Near by access to health care, the amenities of a larger town that might include a decent size airport. I'm 63 and my lady is older than I. I'm gravitating towards the "four corners" area in the southwest, mainly because I love to hunt in New Mexico. I don't look forward to a bitter long-lasting cold environment. I'm also worried about taxes, leftwing polices, crime, and not fitting into a community because I'm an older white guy conservative, not a member of a particular church, don't speak Spanish, and have a 40 year history in the oil & gas industry. Amazing to me how that last factoid rubs some outdoorsmen that I have so much in common with the wrong way. The plan is for Rose and I to do some touring and try and refine our choices. Places of interest are Los Alamos, NM - Montrose, Co. - Flagstaff & Sedona, AZ. - Montpelier, ID.
Wyoming, 580,000 population
Colorado, Currently 5.6 million and pushing 10 million in the next 30 years.
Coming from MN I would guess there were few places winter would bother you...... but man that wind......
That was my assessment of WYO. You''ll never have to worry about it being over populated. More pick-a-pens than people... LOL!
I do like the stretch of territory that is the Western border of Wyoming and the Easter border of Idaho. The first time I dove thru this part of the world, they had multiple rainbows to look at. Almost saying to me "come here young man...this is the place for you." I don't know enough about the weather here, other than it is west of the Continental Divide and that might make the climate more temperate and dryer than the Easter slope. This drive occurred in the late 1990's before the wolves had made an impact on the wildlife. I don't think there was much for work opportunities as I remember, and being much younger at the time that made it a deal breaker for me. Idaho Falls has a decent size airport. No clue about the ratings of hospitals and health care in this location. It sure is beautiful country! Ended up on a hunting trip in the Middle Fork Frank Church Wilderness. One of the most memorable hunting trips I have been a part of. Killed a good bull on this hunt and even got close to a Rocky Mt. Goat! The horseback ridding was adventurous when I wasn't white-knuckled and scared half to death. LOL! Still remember my "Moon shadow" while ridding up the drainage from camp. The September temperatures were a welcome bonus compared to the October Rifle hunts I had previously made in SW Montana. Great Memories. LaGriz
I was a pharm rep for about 15 years and covered the east half of WY for a lot of that time. I can't speak to ranking of hospitals. But in Cheyenne and Casper you will find everything you would need in way of specialist and hospitals to do procedures. A lot of the docs I dealt with were either from there or choose to be there for same reason a lot of you want to move there. Sheridan has less but a lot of specialist see patients there a day or two a week and come out of Billings. I would not worry to much about access to health care unless you choose a remote place in WY.
They have a very good hospital and great doctors in Jackson WY, many specialists. I was supposed to take my son there this morning (88 miles), but the road is closed between Moose and Moran, not sure when it will open, maybe tomorrow. Snowing and lots of wind. Teton park doesn't do a very good job plowing compared to WYDOT. Remember the term "Can't get there from here."
Unless you love snow, 5-6 feet of it lasting well into April or May, sub zero cold, and black flies, steer clear of Northern NH. I love it, but people from away move up here in August, and by April are ready for the guys in the white suits and the Whoopi wagon. The wives are the first to go off the deep end, and then the guy gets a twinge in his chest and discovers that the nearest big hospital is 3 hours away. The camp or house comes up for sale and the scenario starts again.
If cigarette smoke bothers you or your wife, you'll save money because you won't want to be going into any bars/restaurants in WY. Don't know how many states still allow this, besides WY.
Been in a few restaurants in WY, didn't notice the smoke, wasn't anyone smoking even in the bar area. Is it really still allowed?
Likewise, Colorado, just next door, DOES allow 'smoking' in their bars... but its not the same kind of smoke, therefore, the high population of former CA residents. LOL! I choose WYO...
Wyoming doesn’t have a state-wide smoking ban...it’s left up to the individual towns/cities. There are several that do have smoking bans.
Put my Scamp on blocks last fall to raise it up as I wanted to put on new tires. It snowed before I could put them on. Still on blocks. This winter will send a few flatlanders packing come Spring.
Really? A cigar in a bar is a deal breaker?
Not sounding like WY material already...... =D
Just a note, interesting site linked that give wind info about the state. The whole state isn't wind farm material..... well, some of it anyway....
Not New Mexico for lots of reason. Democrats, sanctuary cities, poor draw odds, new green laws, wolf introductions, pending trapping bans, coyote calling contest bans, etc etc etc.
"or even Oregon as I always liked the Roosevelt variety myself and the country they live in."
FYI Oregon is northern California now. I lived in OR for 44 years until 2 years ago. Last place I'd ever want to live now. You really want to give them 10% of your income so they can feed all the junkies and illegals in their "Sanctuary state" of hyper-liberalism? Maybe you have not been to Portland lately. It's tent city everywhere with degenerates living off the welfare of the insanely high income taxes.
In fairness, I'm only in WA right now until my son gets out of highschool. Not much better, but I don't give them 10% of my income.
When he's done, it's Wyoming without question for me. Between that taxes and the hunting it's a no brainer.
Elkocd, Good luck on move to Wy. I lived in Gresham Ore 79-83. Was a good city and state then. Have heard nothing good about it in quite some time.
Live in the Gestapo state on NY. Unfortunately can't leave unless divorce...wife with grandchildren and great grandchildren keeps me locked in. Now...if we could create another state...or even country...consisting of southwestern Connecticut, southern NY and northern New Jersey this would be amongst the best states in the Union!! But it ere what it ere.
That aside...I kind of like WY.
X2 bowbender .. how bout the new gun law just past by the house and going to the senate, it allows police to take your guns if your deemed dangerous. Define dangerous...... I love the weather here in NM the mountains and everything outdoors but these liberals that just took over are going to create a new California here and they don’t give a damn what anyone thinks about it .
"I love the weather here in NM the mountains and everything outdoors but these liberals that just took over are going to create a new California here and they don’t give a damn what anyone thinks about it ."
Already happened in Oregon. They will just drive you out with all their crazy and be glad when you're gone. They're like a bad infestation taking over the west and spreading.
We are seeing the same problems here in Arizona. When I moved here 37 years ago Arizona was a hunter/trappers paradise. Now it is a trappers nightmare and the hunting is not even close to what it once was. The future looks a whole lot worse.
Northern Minnesota not too bad. Lotsa public land and lakes. Weather keeps the rif-raf out(most of em) and lotsa roads lead West. Get over the tax hang-up and no big deal. And oh, we don't hafta support the Packers or Badgers.
Colorado Dems are just about to pass a "Red Flag" law that will allow gun confiscation for a variety of dubious reasons. Then you have to somehow prove you are competent in order to get them back.
This is like something out of Orwell's 1984 (thats a book, for you younger guys educated in public schools). How do you prove you are no longer crazy once deemed so?
Tell em you chase elk with a stick n string.
Jaq, tell em your good buds with a guy that can kill a mountain lion with his bare hands.
"Tell em you chase elk with a stick n string."
Guessing that would just confirm their suspicions...... =D
It's funny that no one wants to move to Colorado. But come fall, it seems the whole world shows up here to hunt our elk!
No one has really mentioned Idaho. Any problems with this place? I had planned to move back to Colorado in 8 years once my daughter is out of school. The more I read about what's happening and what the future looks like there, searching for another locale.
I would live in Idaho, but it doesn't have the hunting or tax benefits over WY for me.
A friend of mine has a daughter who worked on Obama’s 2 nd presidential campaign she is a die hard whacked out liberal. Hates guns, hunting and Trump. She thinks MAGA is racist . She just moved from Minnesota to guess where....... Colorado. That ought to tell y’all something. People go to Colorado, hunt elk and get the hell out. Sad but true.
Taxes pretty high in Idaho. 7.2% income and 6% sales. Great conservative state otherwise.
WY has no state income tax, sales tax is around 5% depending on the county. Real estate is fairly expensive, real estate tax isn't too bad. So compared to the above your income in WY is already 2.2% cheaper at a glance. WY is the most red state in the Union, only Teton County votes Demo. We have for years to ship that county off to Idaho! :)
U can keep Teton and take Boise. We used to be reddest state until the dam students started voting.
Stay out of Idaho. Nothing to see here.
Try New Jersyey.