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Kill a Person = owning a Leopard Mount
As if protecting Carp was not ridiculous enough. A law is making its way through the Connecticut legislature that makes owning any African Big 5 + Giraffe = to manslaughter.
"Connecticut Sen. Bob Duff’s (D-Norwalk) Senate Bill 20, which bans the import, sale, transport and possession of the so-called “Big Six” African animals, is scheduled to be heard by the Joint Committee on Judiciary on Monday, April 22. Hunters commonly refer to African elephants, lions, leopards, rhinoceros and Cape buffalo as “The Big 5.” Senator Duff’s bill would also include giraffes, referring to them collectively as “The Big 6.”
While anti-hunting legislators in several states have authored similar import/possession ban bills, Senate Bill 20 is remarkable in its penalty. Violations of the new law would be a felony and subject to a fine of up to $10,000 and imprisonment for up to 2 years – the same penalties given to a person guilty of manslaughter."
These people are insane. Very scary to think there are folks that have brains work that this way.
Insanity is the only way to describe it. I find it hard to believe the law will pass, but it shouldn't have been written into a bill to begin with. Every hunter in Connecticut needs to fight that bill.
The attack on hunting and hunters in the US is at levels never seen before. Fight back or lose the battle fellas. Use your energy to fight against the anti-hunting movement, not each other.
Scoot, your last two sentences sum it up. Every hunter who is not proactive in fighting legislation like this, is essentially anti hunting.
Well, giraffes are tall, and tall is big, so by government logic that makes them the same as the Big 5.
does this include animals already in the state? If so Pat's going to jail or his dream has come true and he can finally move!
The reality is that these opponents of hunting, specifically African game see it only as killing or “Trophy hunting” as they call it.
The reality is that the money paid to hunt is now not available or drying up and causing a ripple affect where conservation of the animals is impacted.
To these anti’s, hunting isn’t seen as regulated. To these anti’s, they cannot understand hunting at all. To the antis, they don’t see poaching and how not only poaching, but culling is now taking the place of hunting however, there is no money taken in to help offset conservation of the species.
These people who introduce legislation that has ZERO to do with governance if the USA need to be educated. Very difficult to reason with people who have their mind made up, even before understanding their actions!
Glad I'm old and don't have kids. I feel for the rest of you though. The trend does not look good. Pray that truth prevails, and stupidity goes extinct. I feel it will, but nonetheless, we need to fight, and I mean HARD!!!. Or it will all be lost.
Pat, I think it's time to take advantage of the Bowsite's power to change the world.
Maybe we should be publishing Bob Duff's email address so every single Bowsite member can "encourage" him to drop this foolishness. Getting a few hundred thousand emails and or calls just might do it.
Personally, I think we've been too polite for too long.
I equate Democrats to Animal Rights activists to pure stupidity .... What Ace says also .. ^^
You cant fix stupid-Bill Engvall "you might be a redneck tour"
So many conservatives just sit back and don’t say a word of course now days if you do say anything you are a racist or a white suprematis or what ever these liberals want to call you. We need to stop laying down and raise hell, fight back or shit like this will become law.
I think a Civil War or a US divorce is in order. Things are only going to get worse...time to face facts.
I always thought it was a hippo that composed the big 6? So they're ok with me shooting a hippo?
"You can't fix stupid" was Ron White. "Here's yer sign" was Bill Engvall. Both describe these knuckleheads we'll need to deal with.
Pat if you have both lion and leopard can you serve your sentence concurrently or will it be consecutively.
These political hacks have a way of putting a damper on the notion of a FREE COUNTRY.
I'm finding it tough to think of them as "stupid" or "insane" ... their actions are rational extensions of tyrannical goals, and their power-plays are playing very well. It would be great if they were actually "stupid" ... but they're not. They're little tyrants, growing larger.
^^^ what Deertick said. ^^^
I also agree, with Jdee. We’ve been too nice, for far to long. And that’s our fault. When they get an inch, they want a mile. If we don’t become more firm in our stance, we WILL lose in the end.
"So they're ok with me shooting a hippo?"
Caribou, I think it depends if she's on public assistance or not.
I think the next Civil war will be an unavoidable necessity in less than a decade, and the 'coasts' will be 'one country' - the 'New LSA' - Liberal States of America', and the 'USA' will be the rest of what did not split off or get run off. I am just glad its mainly the Conservatives that have and want the 'guns'.
With AOC showing the attention simply being stupid can bring..... all you really have to do to get attention is be outrageous. I can't even blame them, as it seems enough people with no grasp of reality left will take the insanity seriously. It seems a maximum effort to out-stupid each other now. Virtue signaling as a competitive sport. Sanity isn't even a restriction in their rule book anymore.....
I have to laugh at their grasp of reality as they slide their liposuctioned azzes across the leather upholstery..... clueless as to animal fur with the hair scraped off.....
How do these people get elected? There is the root of the problem. It's like watching a grass fire.
"We’ve been too nice, for far to long. And that’s our fault. When they get an inch, they want a mile. If we don’t become more firm in our stance, we WILL lose in the end."
Scoot, I wish I could believe that there is a way we could still win. I feel losing is a foregone conclusion at this point, its just a matter of how long we can prolong the game. Some areas will obviously last far longer than others, CT for instance, will likely be one of the first to fall. It's a damn shame.
even though its different states, but if AOC and the radical islamists/socialists can be elected to congress, this country is in a world of hurt ...
Possessing taxidermy equals manslaughter but killing the most innocent of human life is a protected right. God's wrath on us will be unprecedented.
I don`t think it can be put any more clearly than that....thanks Owl.
Owl nailed it. Absolute insanity.
CT is a lost cause,,,, move on,,, no one else in the country cares,,,,,, earth to mars ( east and west coast) come 2020, Trump is going to walk in for his second term
I understand Pat, why you have to endure that land,,, but in reality no one in the real world cares about Ct
Get your head out of the ground ground hunter . It thoughts like yours that’s getting us what we’re getting. Starts there and spreads. Hell I live in N M and it’s going to the crapper too ....
really jdee,,,,, this is the strongest economy in my life,,, and I am 70,,, I have one 30 year old daughter who is already buying her second house,,,, anyone that wants to get off their ass, and work in the real world can do real well
My sister lived in Sante Fe,,,,, she has now passed,,, nice area, but talk about people living in another planet,,, I stand by what I say,,, and I make no apology
Screw your money !!!! I want America back !!!
my advice if things are tough, is to get a job,,,,,, they can not fill most of them,,, stay well
If animals are equal to people in every way, then why don't these people accuse themselves of slavery? After all, the animals that are their pets are owned by them. If you can't own a person, how can you own an animal?
ryanrc , most those stupid liberals are going to think your brilliant .....ha ha ha I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them pick up on something like that.
You can't make this shit up. I don't know what to say. Depressing
Jdee, to me it is more about calling out the hypocrisy of them. Most PETA type people I know "own" many animals. To me, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. They say animals have rights, ok then, give up all your animals slave owners. How can they justify keeping them?
The pet owning liberal would probably agree with it.
Good reason to own an AR Pat. Come and get my mounts if you dare.
Pat, based on the number of citiots that will see a hero pic and ask "how did you get them to sit so still for the picture?" all you have to do is tell them "I don't own any trophy mounts.... these are all live animals I keep as pets....."
A large faction of radical animal rights orgs openly DO want to ban the ownership of pets. And yes.... seeing it as slavery.... They need to talk to my birddogs about that.... they'd either get bitten or peed on.....
As mentioned earlier.... you can't fix stupid, much less argue with it I'd add....
there is no shortage of whack-jobs in any population
Just another of the many reasons to never vote dem.
If it works in Connecticut, it won’t be long until they try it in your state. The level of arrogance and stupidity in the democrat party is truly breathtaking. This is what you get when you vote democrat.
the radical islamists/socialists can be elected to congress, this country is in a world of hurt
That's why they want open borders. Power in numbers. And, you better care about CT, because the cancer starts somewhere, and it looks like it started there and it will spread if you 'don't care'. Speaking of 'another planet', my visits to San Jose, CA are just that. I had to go, my mother was dying in a nursing home. My sister lives there. She is now 'one of them'. Just a damn shame. That place is gone too, like CT, and I don't know how to get it back, its gonna take a revolution now. Same with Portland, OR. Its whacked, their motto is Keep Portland Weird. I used to live and work there, and it is so far left it is almost right. Alexandra Occasional Cortex here in NY is the 'undoing of America'. We better act now or its gone - sanity that is.
Wise statement Owl!
I've been saying for a few years that we no longer have one United States of America. We have NOTHING in common with the other side. We have two separate countries and it is probably time we should divorce on the grounds of "irreconcilable differences".
We need to take some of the blame for this? Seriously, some of the stuff aired on TV/Social Media, now a days is ridiculous! Just the other day I was watching guys killing hogs with knives. A guy stabbed one 10 times, blood everywhere. This stuff should never been aired IMO. Even kill shots = damaging info/evidence for the hunter. Yea, say what you want,"that its our right". Maybe, but you have to think outside the box. Why give the anti's ammo to use against us? One day this info will be fed to the kids/ mickey mouse lovers who grow up and vote!
Wow...that’s nuts. The entire east coast is getting unbearable
FYI... 3 tips that could benefit you if have to do time.
1. Snitches get stitches
2. Never discuss your crime.
3. Get fat and ugly or big and mean real quick... unless you’re into guys
Why the Big 6? I'm completely lost on African hunts and have no clue the laws. Are they illegal to hunt, is there a reason someone shouldn't have a mount of one? Or is just because cartoons made them lovable and therefor more valuable than say a deer or a rat.
Nevada has a coyote contest bill in the works. It will also carry manslaughter penilty JimH
FYI Everyone. This bill PASSED the Judiciary Committee yesterday by a vote of 31-5. It can now be called for a vote before both houses. Pretty sure our new Gov will sign it if it passes the House and Senate.
At the link, you will find info about this bill, and its progress through the CT General Assembly.
Just one more reason to hate this state. Damn near everyone I know has left, has made, or is executing an exit plan.
Only a fool would support that law. It does the exact opposite of what it is 'intended' to do which is to 'protect' African animals. It will cause more of them to be poached in the long run. Just ask any PH/Safari operator. The proponents of that law have their collective heads up their asses. They will see....
This is what happens when you vote for Liberals. How anyone can be a hunter , trapper or fisherman and vote for liberals is beyond all rational. I’ll also add that those same outdoorsman that don’t vote is a vote for them.
I own a lion, leopard and buffalo. Sportsmen need to wake up. Sheep, lions, and other game will be next.
Crazy, here is Duff's testimony if anyone wants to feel sicker than they already are about this. I wish these politicians would concentrate on running the state the way it should be rather than issues that they have no clue about. A bit of education on conservation wouldn't hurt.
Pat, he does mention being grandfathered with what you already have, but take that with the grain of salt.
My State Rep was one of the 5 NO votes. He gets that Hunting in rural African areas brings more than a half-billion dollars that would not be there otherwise. His bill will help increase poaching and make it more likely that animals will become extint.
Bob Duff is not known to be a friend to CT gun owners or to CT Sportsmen. By sponsoring this bill, and by that testimony, he has shown that he's not very bright.
It is difficult for the politicians to comprehend that their legislation will do nothing to preserve a species. It is not legal hunting, which is managed, that depleted a species...quite the opposite. Without the monies from legal hunting,, things will change for specie preservation. Too bad the precedent being set.
Someday we’re going to have to be more like illegals coming into America and just say to the Government no way .... and mean it .
So now to feel for an animal..... it has to be "beautiful"..... good grief. It truly is a Virtue Signaling contest to see who can out-stupid the other.....
Facts no longer matter, only what you think you look like when publicly "feeling".....
The entire letter above is a lie...complete and total lie.
It's unfathomable that someone in public office can spread an entire letter of lies like that. Where is SCI in defending this? NRA?
Ken, are you saying this is a fabricated fake bill by some phoney lib on real CT Senate letterhead, or a real bill presented by a CT Senator based on a bogus situation, ie, the Cecil hunt (which we all know was legit)?
Where is SCI or Conservation Force? Hopefully they could do something about this insanity.
Good question. In my experience the large national organizations generally ignore hunters who are outnumbered in blue states. The NRA did virtually nothing for us when they banned assault weapons here. SCI has never supported us directly. Basically we’ve been left to fend for ourselves here.
First for hunters.... pffft.
Unfortunately, no surprise.
Just want to drop an encouraging word from Oklahoma. Our governor just vetoed a bill to allow guides on public land. He responded to the emails and phone calls his office received. It's worth your time to make a phone call, even if you just leave a message on a machine.
So this just passed the full senate by a huge margin. This is F’d up.
Wow! I don't know whether to say how F'd up Connecticut is or, be scared for how soon this comes to other states.
What happened to live & let live..? Now it's "I don't like that, so YOU have to stop". No - how about you just keep moving and let me do what I'm doing as long as it's legal? You know - life, liberty, pursuit of happiness? Spelled out on the founding documents?
They have ZERO clue how the trophy hunting over there actually help.
So tired of this state and the BS... and nationwide it's catching on.
Absolutely insane now if the South had won the war of northern aggression you probably would not have that happening Lewis
OK. First thread of the day I visit has been spammed (Retirement income) Now this one. Moderators have some work to do today.
Noooo.... y'all have it wrong..... this is called "compromise" and "reaching out to work with the other side in finding common ground...."
What will happen to your mounts if this becomes law. Grandfathered in?
There’s a reason why i don’t live there anymore...