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proof of sex and deboning meat
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
Sniff 29-May-19
Brotsky 29-May-19
Bob H in NH 29-May-19
wildwilderness 29-May-19
cnelk 29-May-19
huntperch 29-May-19
Lost Arra 29-May-19
Ucsdryder 29-May-19
Treeline 29-May-19
Lost Arra 29-May-19
LKH 29-May-19
Sniff 29-May-19
Woods Walker 29-May-19
ohiohunter 29-May-19
BULELK1 30-May-19
Bob H in NH 30-May-19
TrapperKayak 30-May-19
LINK 30-May-19
HULLHEAVER 30-May-19
Ambush 30-May-19
Aspen Ghost 30-May-19
HULLHEAVER 31-May-19
Beendare 31-May-19
From: Sniff
29-May-19
I am wondering the best way to pack out a tagged animal that is deboned and still show proof of sex. Seems like a basic question, being a fng any help is appreciated

From: Brotsky
29-May-19
Make sure you review the regs for the state you intend to hunt however in most cases you can leave a testicle or nipple attached to one of the rear quarters to satisfy the requirement.

From: Bob H in NH
29-May-19
Is the head proof of sex on a bull/buck?

29-May-19
In CO the head is only proof it is still attached to the whole carcass.

From: cnelk
29-May-19
"In CO the head is only proof it is still attached to the whole carcass."

^^^^ Wrong. If you leave the head attached, it only needs to be attached to a front quarter at a minimum

From: huntperch
29-May-19
This law could go away in my opinion. Gross and unneeded.

From: Lost Arra
29-May-19
Sniff: what state are you hunting? as Brotsky mentioned, it varies. Some require proof of sex to be attached, in other states it does not need to be attached.

From: Ucsdryder
29-May-19
It’s only gross if you leave a big hairy scrotum attached. Leave a piece of the penis next to the rear quarter. Super easy. Just make sure you do it on the first quarter so if you mess up you can do it again.

From: Treeline
29-May-19
I really, really need to take pictures sometime. Seems like this is a recurring question.

I do the gutless method and bone out in the field most of the time.

For skinning, always cut from inside to out to keep your knife blade sharp. I start my cut behind the head and run down to the tail. Then, if keeping the cape, make a cut at about the middle of the ribs down to the breast bone. Then a cut up the back of the up-facing front (tying into the cape cut out of the armpit) and back legs (tying into the cut down the back). Then skin down from the back, out the legs and cut/break the lower joints to get the lower bone and feet out of the way.

The easiest and best way that I have found for evidence of sex in states like Colorado for a male is to skin the hind quarter on the up facing side until you get to the scrotum. Then cut the middle of the scrotum, separate and skin out each testicle. Leave them attached by the vein to the leg. Remove the quarter by laying out and cutting from the inside to the hip joint ball and following the hip bone around to the top. Make sure you don't cut the connective tissue of the testicle while doing it. Lay the quarter out on a game bag or tarp and debone, leaving the testicle attached. Take off the front shoulder, then the backstrap, neck meat, the brisket, flank, tenderloin and trim between or saw out the ribs (elk ribs are really good by the way!).

Flip and repeat the process for the other side. You will have two very clean hind quarters with no hairy mess to put in your game bags.

after getting all the meat off, I skin up to the head and then cut the last vertebra at the head and the throat side. Twist it off when you have cut around the spine at the base of the skull. Cutting off the head can be difficult until you get the hang of it. You will probably need to stand on the spine or get someone else to stand on it to get the leverage. If it is a small bull and I have a saw, I will generally just cut the skull cap off right there and leave 15-20 pounds of head in the field for the critters.

I think females are harder. I will typically cut around the udder and leave it attached to one quarter and bone out leaving it attached. Take out the head for cow elk too even though I would rather just leave it in the field.

From: Lost Arra
29-May-19
Why take out a cow head?

From: LKH
29-May-19
I don't like leaving the udder or part of it on so I simply skin the vaginal opening part way off and leave it attached to the meat.

Mark which bag has the evidence so you don't have to search at the check station.

From: Sniff
29-May-19
I’m in Colorado. 4. If a carcass is cut in pieces or deboned, evidence of sex needs to be attached to a quarter or another major part of carcass. All portions must be transported together.

Tree line explained what I was wondering about. Thanks!

From: Woods Walker
29-May-19
What if the bull identified as a cow when you shot it? Or vice-versa? Besides, gender is so much more than genitalia......just ask a Democrat.

From: ohiohunter
29-May-19
You’ll find plenty of “those” in CO

From: BULELK1
30-May-19
+ 1 Tavis

I put my tag on the nut sack ( or udder nipples) and leave it attached to the hind quarter of boned off meat. I put this game bag in last on ice in the cooler so if I get checked after packing it out, it is readily available for the Game Warden to see/verify.

Good luck, Robb

From: Bob H in NH
30-May-19
tags are usually not bull/cow, but antlered, not antlered. So what is proof of sex on a "cow" tag that turns out to be a first year bull with no antlers

From: TrapperKayak
30-May-19
Pat, because pigs don't know anything about elk, obviously.

From: LINK
30-May-19
I don’t know the regs but I imagine I’d want to pack out the head in that situation.

From: HULLHEAVER
30-May-19
I do it like Treeline. In the regs it says "evidence of sex naturally attached" You don't need the head----bull or cow. If you are not sure of how to skin out the scrotum or udders, take a 750 crown royal bag and drop the hairy scrotum/udders into the bag. The drawstring works great to tie it off and it keeps hair off the meat. Just don't cut them off the meat. Then when you get it packed out-----enjoy the crown

From: Ambush
30-May-19
If your meat looks de-boned, that should be enough evidence you’ve had sex. And remember it’s not really “sex” if you’re by yourself.

I also do like Treeline and we have the same requirement for “evidence of sex left naturally attached to one quarter”. I find it easiest to leave about half the skinned penis attached.

From: Aspen Ghost
30-May-19
Hullheaver, You do need the head (or skullplate with antlers) for a bull if you are in a unit with antler requirements.

From: HULLHEAVER
31-May-19
YES

From: Beendare
31-May-19
I usually bone everything......

A Small ziplock for the nut sack solves everything.....

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