Sitka Mountain Gear
California Here I Come!!
Wild Sheep
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From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Holy moly!

I drew CA DBHS!!!!

White Mountain, here I come!

From: Brotsky
12-Jun-19
Wow! Congrats Kyle! That is awesome! Have a great hunt!

From: Treeline
12-Jun-19
Amazing! Congratulations Kyle! Hope you have a spectacular hunt!

From: njbuck
12-Jun-19
Absolutely amazing!!! congrats. Are you going to go after them with your bow?

12-Jun-19
Congrats!!

From: SBH
12-Jun-19
Thats a big one! Congrats!

From: elkmtngear
12-Jun-19
Wow...incredible draw!

Best of Luck, Kyle!

From: OFFHNTN
12-Jun-19
WHAT?! Wow............CONGRATS and good luck!

From: Beav
12-Jun-19
Congrats and good luck!!

From: Owl
12-Jun-19
Sheep karma paying off... very happy for you.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Drawing this tag is very special to me, because the White Mountain unit was the very first unit CA WSF got opened after the chapter was founded.

From: sticksender
12-Jun-19
Congratulations on your awesome luck. Nothing sweeter than a sheep tag in your pocket!

From: Scoot
12-Jun-19
That's great! You most definitely deserve it!

From: pav
12-Jun-19
Congratulations Kyle! Lucky...yes, but this one feels more like a reward than just luck!

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
This is my 3rd sheep draw tag in the past five years.

The first one was in NV where I had enough points that my draw odds were about 20-25%

The second one was WY where my draw odds were 50% due to a lot of points and doing a lot of homework.

But this one is just pure dumb luck, even though I had max points.

From: JRABQ
12-Jun-19
Wow, congrats Kyle!

And hurray for dumb luck!

From: Jim in PA
12-Jun-19
Congratulations Kyle. Good Luck!

From: Lone Bugle
12-Jun-19
Fantastic!!

From: iceman
12-Jun-19

From: Heat
12-Jun-19
This is great news! Big congrats Kyle! Happy for you man!

12-Jun-19
Grats Kyle!

From: 'Ike'
12-Jun-19
Very cool...Congrats Kyle!

12-Jun-19
yes....lots of points is a good enabler, without which......luck isn't quite as good. Getting ready is 1/2 the fun....have a good one Kyle! looking forward to the hunt report.

From: BOWUNTR
12-Jun-19
What are the odds to draw a California non resident elk tag and sheep tag in one lifetime... unimaginable. Hmmmm.... Ed F

From: 'Ike'
12-Jun-19
So what'd you get Ed?!?

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Ed,

I have no idea of the odds, but they must be ridiculous.

Esp. when you realize there is only one NR elk tag and only two NR sheep tags.

From: Matt
12-Jun-19
Congrats Kyle, karma for all your hard work for the sheep.

From: master guide
12-Jun-19
Kyle now line up some mules to cover a lot of country.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Going to use horses.

From: DL
12-Jun-19
That’s incredible!! Have you checked the website a dozen times to see if they made a mistake? Good luck getting sleep the next two weeks. That’s coming up quick.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Dave,

As part of the draw results, they include a letter with the tag fee bill.

That's already gone out FedEx to CA DFW because I want to make sure nothing goes wrong!

From: Dogman
12-Jun-19
With max points your odds actually weren’t that bad. It is the guys with anything less than max that are up against astronomical odds.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Dogman,

I disagree.

As a non-resident, there are only two tags available at the most, max points or no points.

From: Irishman
12-Jun-19
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing photos of the hunt.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
This could turn out to be very expensive tag.

Next year I have a combo float trip hunt in ANWR for Grizzly, Dalls and Caribou.

I bought it originally as a SW Alaska bear hunt, but then the outfitter sold his bear area so he gave me this combo hunt in exchange.

I was planning to focus on Grizzlys first, but now that I'll likely tag a Desert ram in CA, plus the Dall next year (which also highly likely) would get me 3/4 of the way to my second FNAWS, needing just a Stone to do that. But Stone hunts are really pricey so that's how drawing this CA tag could end up costing me a bunch!

From: Dogman
12-Jun-19
Last year max point holders had 2 tags available and 149 people applied. How many max point holders are NR?...they don’t publish those numbers in the book.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
No,

Last year there was ONE non-resident draw tag.

By legislation (which I wrote, BTW), non-residents are limited to "up to10%" of the total number of tags in the draw. There were 19 draw tags last year and CA does not round up. They round down.

That means ONE tag.

In addition, a whole lot more than 149 max point holders applied.

From: BOWUNTR
12-Jun-19
Wow... yeah, you deserve it. I smell fish... Ed F

From: Bowboy
12-Jun-19
Congrats Kyle. Good luck!

From: HedgeHunter
12-Jun-19
Nice Draw.

Poke a goodun.

HH~

From: Dogman
12-Jun-19

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Exactly 149 max point holders applied for that tag...last year.

From: Ucsdryder
12-Jun-19
Congrats! There are some awesome tags being drawn by the bowsite crew! I can’t wait to see all the pictures and read all the stories!!!!! I hope we see a lot of positivity and keep the bitching, complaining, jealousy and not so subtle jabs to a minimum...

From: sticksender
12-Jun-19
As best I understand it, everyone (with max points) is in the same pool for the preference tags, regardless of residency. Then, everyone remaining is in the same pool for the random tags, regardless of residency. But with the total draw being subjected, all along the way, to the NR ceiling.

If it wasn't done that way, there'd be little reason for a NR with less than max points to apply.

From: bowbender77
12-Jun-19
Wow ! What a great draw. Congradulations

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Dogman,

So what if 149 applied in the Whites if there is only ONE non-resident tag available in the ENTIRE STATE?????????

12-Jun-19
I don't know what he's getting at, but it's not astronomical odds for a NR with max points.

From: NvaGvUp
12-Jun-19
Ike,

Exactly!

You can't just look at one unit.

You have to look at how many NR's applied across all of the hunt ones.

Out of all of those applicants, if you aren't the first NR drawn, you are out and done.

From: BOHNTR
13-Jun-19
“By legislation (which I wrote, BTW),”

Ha, I was waiting for the self back slapping to start.....congrats on the tag, though.

From: Bigdan
13-Jun-19
Is it a Any weapon Tag or Archery only Congrats on the tag

13-Jun-19
There's no archery only sheep tags in CA. There's some nice things about CA sheep tags, but archery-only for better draw odds is not one of them.

The seasons are long (most are over 2 months) and there's not a lot of tags given out so there's mature rams in every unit. In CA, more rams die of old age than are shot by hunters, although the #1 reason for that is that so many of the sheep are in areas or herds that are off-limits to hunting for a variety of reasons (game reserves, state and national parks, military bases, or sub-sub-sub species that are considered threatened or endangered).

From: BULELK1
13-Jun-19
Good things happen to Good People Kyle

Congrats man

Good luck, Robb

From: Mad Trapper
13-Jun-19
Congrats!

From: NvaGvUp
13-Jun-19
Thanks, everyone.

Now, c'mon, Montana! lol

From: Tilzbow
13-Jun-19
Kyle,

If you draw MT, I’ll personally drive over to your house and kick you in the nuts for everyone on Bowsite! I kid, but the knee for sure!

From: NvaGvUp
13-Jun-19
Thanks, Scott.

What are friends for if not for stuff like that? lol

From: Scar Finga
13-Jun-19
Very exciting man! Congratulations!!!!!

From: Matt
13-Jun-19
Tillz, I know you are joking, but I'll cover your gas. ;-)

From: NvaGvUp
13-Jun-19
Matt,

You guys crack me up!

I'll tell you what.

If I draw a MT sheep tag (I applied for 680), I'LL buy his gas!

From: deerhaven
13-Jun-19
Nice Kyle!! Congrats and good luck!

From: DL
13-Jun-19
I had max points in 2017. It was still over 100/1 odds

From: NvaGvUp
13-Jun-19
And you're a resident as well!

I can't think of any state where the draw odds aren't well over 100:1 if you don't have Max Points.

(Nevada's 'Max Points' don't count in the above because 'max points' in NV do nothing other than giving you one more ball in the hopper)

From: Dogman
13-Jun-19
This year there were over 20 sheep tags, so NR’s were allotted 2 tags. That unit had 6 total tags this year, meaning 5 went to max point holders. If the applicant numbers remained the same those are killer desert sheep odds. As far as the NR cap goes, for sure you got lucky, but you don't know your true odds if you don’t know the % of max point holders that are R/NR. Who are the “Rain man” types who compute odds on this site? If the max point applicant pool is comprised of 10% NR’s and the NR quota is 10% of the permits then being a NR is of no statistical significance right?

From: NvaGvUp
13-Jun-19
Dogman,

Incorrect!

Only two NR tags are available in all the units combined. That's all that matters if you're a NR.

I'll ask dfw for the breakdown of the R/NR numbers

From: Dogman
13-Jun-19
What is incorrect? ...

From: Matt
13-Jun-19
Kyle, empty offer with paying for his gas because all 3 of us know you can outrun him once he gets there.

From: DL
14-Jun-19

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Odds Bodkins!! All I would care about is I got a tag. The most sought after tag on the planet. Kyle I know you’re a mountain man but you might want to carry something for altitude sickness. Terry A about died up there. He had been up there many times but it almost killed him. Had it not been for an EMT that worked for him and an inhaler he could have died from fluid filling his lungs. Here’s some White Mountains rams

From: Hawkeye
14-Jun-19
Karma! Congrats Kyle:) Enjoy it and good luck!

From: Bigdan
14-Jun-19
Are you going to try with your bow you killed a nice one in Nevada

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Terry? THAT Terry???

Wow! That's scary because as you noted, he's been guiding and scouting up there for over a decade!

From: Medicinemann
14-Jun-19
Wow! Keep us posted....

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19

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Here's the data I requested yesterday from DFW re. the 2019 sheep draw.

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Matt,

"Kyle, empty offer with paying for his gas because all 3 of us know you can outrun him once he gets there."

Maybe I could pull the 'duck joke' thing on him. ;^)

14-Jun-19
1775 Max points holders.

19 PP tags this year. 1775 divided by 19 = 93.4

It'd take almost 100 years for the other 16,346 of us to get a shot at those tags.

What a Ponzi Scheme!

Ridiculous! I don't know how this can be defended. It should be changed to a BP system.

From: BOWUNTR
14-Jun-19
1000 times better than what Colorado is doing with their sheep tags... California knew what they were doing when they started this. Kids and new hunters never had a chance. Ed F

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
I can't think of a single sheep state where the best draw odds aren't at least 200:1 unless you're talking about a state that awards a high percentage of their tags to those with Max Points.

14-Jun-19
Unless you’re with the WSF...Doh!

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Which has nothing to do with whether or not you draw.

From: Turk
14-Jun-19
Congratulations. Thats great!

From: Drnaln
14-Jun-19
Congratulations Kyle....You deserve the tag....Hope you arrow a giant!

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Ike,

"It'd take almost 100 years for the other 16,346 of us to get a shot at those tag."

A lot of the people with max points will drop out due to age, infirmities, etc.

Plus, pick the most physically challenging unit you can, as a lot of folks won't apply there because of the physical challenge. That alone will dramatically increase you chances of drawing. It's also one of the reasons I applied in the Whites.

That is certainly the case in the Whites, as the number of applicants there is quite low compared to the other units.

From: BOWUNTR
14-Jun-19
I wish Desert Bighorn Sheep was a once in a lifetime draw tag for all states combined. Why not let others have the opportunity.... Ed F

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
ED,

The problem with that is that it would take BHS management out of the hands of the states, which is where it belongs.

It would also penalize those states which a good job of managing their sheep while subsidizing those states which don't.

Besides, UT and CA are already once-in-a-lifetime tags. NV is essentially OIL as well as it will probably take a RESIDENT twenty years to draw. If he does, he can't apply for ten years. At that point it will likely take 25-30 more years to draw again.

That leaves just AZ and NM and I don't know what their policies are.

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
Kyle,

How do you plan on getting your second stone?

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
I'm looking at a couple of strategies at this point but have not decided yet

From: Tilzbow
14-Jun-19
Here’s a strategy. Book with a great outfitter. Find a Stone you want to kill. Kill it. Duh!

From: Tilzbow
14-Jun-19
Sorry. Rough week at work... Well, not really sorry...

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
Strategies?? Sounds interesting. Most of us that want to do something go and book a hunt.

I’m interested what type of strategy would be used to get a stone hunt. Please elaborate...

From: Tilzbow
14-Jun-19
Zackman,

I was joking... I’m sure Kyle will lay out his strategy and it likely won’t involve paying full price. Auctions, cancellation lists, etc but I bet they’re still going to run north of $40K.

Bowsite,

Having lunch with Kyle next week. Any kicking location suggestions, let me know!

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
I can guarantee you he has no plans of paying full price with his strategies.

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Scott,

"Here’s a strategy. Book with a great outfitter. Find a Stone you want to kill. Kill it. Duh"

That's exactly my strategy. I'm simply looking for the best way to buy it at the best price.

From: iceman
14-Jun-19
I bought a couple raffle tickets a few days ago for a stone sheep hunt from Epic Outdoors. About the only way I’ll ever be able to do a stone hunt.

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
What would be the way to buy it at the best price?

Would you be willing to do just about anything to get want you want?

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Zackman,

That would depend on what 'anything' means.

From: BOWUNTR
14-Jun-19
This is going sideways... carry on. Ed F

From: Yukon Paul
14-Jun-19
Zackman,

Who wouldn’t do “just about anything” to obtain a good price on a sheep hunt? With in reason of course. Nobody, especially someone like Kyle who cares so much about the sheep like would consider or do anything nefarious.

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
That should be a troublesome statement for everyone on bowsite to read. Most of us here are about fairness. Fair chase bowhunting. Fair treatment of animals. Fair actions towards other ethical bowhunters.

Most of us follow a code of conduct. Such as not screwing over other hunters for personal gain, having respect for organizations looking toward the greater good for hunters and animals, even simple things like knowing regulations of what is legal and illegal to do and shot in the field. Basic decencies.

It should bother others when some says that anything “might” be on the table—depending on what “anything” is...

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
Zackman,

What the heck are you talking about?????

You're the one who mentioned, 'just about anything,' not me.

I wouldn't even consider anything that was illegal, unethical or which both parties didn't agree to.

If you're suggesting otherwise, you are soooooooo wrong!

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
Why don’t you tell everyone one of your strategies for obtaining a stone sheep hunt that you tried in the last day or two?

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
Maybe one that would include subverting an entire foundation...

From: NvaGvUp
14-Jun-19
What the 'ell are you talking about?????????

I've not discussed nor even hinted about my idea with anyone, let alone 'tried' anything!!!!. Yet you accuse me of 'subverting an entire foundation.'

Man, you're a real piece of work!

From: Zackman
14-Jun-19
Not accusing. Flat out saying it. I’m not one for accusations.

Did you talk to an outfitter about trying to get all the raffle tags he is donating?

From: Yukon Paul
14-Jun-19
I can’t imagine a guy like Zack would make allegations like this without some sort of evidence. Kyle, in the last few years it sure seems like your actions, integrity and intentions have been questioned several times. You know what they say, where there is smoke there is likely a fire. Hmmm...

From: BOWUNTR
14-Jun-19
Yeah, I didn't think it was karma or deserving of the California tag... carry on... Ed F

From: DL
14-Jun-19
Everyone hates the draw system until they get drawn. Life isn’t fair.

From: mtnview
14-Jun-19
I’m with BOWUNTR, desert sheep should be one n done. I’ve taken mine on the same tag Kyle drew (also as a NR) and would gladly never apply for another in any state if those were the rules for everyone.

From: PSUhoss
14-Jun-19
Well, that escalated quickly.

Uh oh.....

From: BOHNTR
15-Jun-19
I trust and know Zack’s integrity....and reliability.

15-Jun-19
CA had a waiting period before the point system kicked in....Not a life time thing, but ten years! I was on mine for Antelope, but got lucky and drew again after the point system...For Lopes That is!

As for the other thing...To many coincidences!

From: Tilzbow
15-Jun-19
What we have here is a failure to communicate!

Zackman wrote, “Would you do anything”.

Zackman was thinking would you do anything to kill one including being unethical.

Kyle heard, “Would you do anything to get the best deal on a Stone hunt with a great outfitter even if it felt like the deal was one sided?”

Kyle answered yes and then both sides went wild.

Reminds me of our politics.....

From: Zackman
15-Jun-19
Scott,

I respect you and your opinions. This is not a failure to communicate at all. I am actually fairly competent at communicating. I feel like I communicated my last question pretty clearly for Kyle to respond. If not, I have no problem making it more clear for everyone.

From: Tilzbow
15-Jun-19
Dude,

If you’ve got something to say then come out and say it. Make it clear because I’m lost. Life’s too short for anything else.

From: Zackman
15-Jun-19
Not dude—it’s Zack.

Scott, Kyle has every opportunity to respond to my question. He hasn’t. And when he does, I would hope it to be truthful. We will wait until then. In case it isn’t available above:

Kyle, did you talk to an outfitter recently about trying to buy all of the raffle tags he is donating as a fundraiser to a foundation recently?

Oh yeah, did you do that while usurping and ignoring the foundation that was supposed to be the recipient of the donation? Possibly a foundation which you have repeatedly taken full credit for its existence?

From: midwest
15-Jun-19
crickets....

From: Dogman
15-Jun-19
AZ and NM deserts are 1x in a lifetime, so is UT and CO. I know a guy who has drawn 3 in NV alone. Back to the odds thing, I am still waiting to hear where I was not correct... Where are the Rain Man types?! If NR are limited to 10% of the tags but, as shown, make up less than 10% of the drawing pool, isn’t it statistically insignificant that they are capped at 10%.

The Marine in me likes to make things simple, and with colors. Think about it in terms of low numbers, if there are 10 marbles in a jar, one red, and nine blue, and only one red can be drawn, then no more...well, all blue could be drawn, but the red one can also be drawn...if there was more than 10% of the pool red marbles different story, but that isn’t the case. Agree that the CA drawing system is a total sham.

15-Jun-19
Coffee, check...Ok, I'm ready!

15-Jun-19
Dang, this got strange.

15-Jun-19
Strange indeed...Still crickets!

From: DL
15-Jun-19
Well I’m glad to see someone like Kyle get drawn. You’ve done so much for wild sheep that benefits all that have been drawn and will get drawn. Now I wish poor old Terry Anderson would drawn for something.

From: bowslam
15-Jun-19
Here's a question for you savvy bowsiters; Is there anyway to setup an alert to my phone when Kyle answers Zackman's question or Bigdan's question if he's going to use a bow? I appreciate your help.

15-Jun-19
I had the good fortune of hunting Dall Sheep once in 2005. It was a great experience and I’m glad I did it but I have no desire to do it again. Too expensive, too dangerous and it never tripped my wire. This year I have an elk tag, antelope tag and a couple of whitie tags and that’s plenty good enough for me. I’m as excited as I ever was, any year and that’s the way Bow Hunting should be! I certainly hope the majority of us feel this way!

From: Trial153
15-Jun-19
“Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect any who seek it.”

From: Bigdan
15-Jun-19
I'm playing the Game Like Kyle trying to draw sheep tags in different states lots of you are. I'm playing the Game in Montana I drew a ram tag in 2008 and a ewe tag in 2010 I'm going into this years draw with 7 points with a 7 year wait after drawing a tag I should only have 3 points but in Montana you can apply every year for ewe tags So that's what I did is find the hardest ewe tag in Montana to apply for In Montana a sheep bonus point is just that its not a ram or ewe point its a sheep point That's how I got the 4 extra bonus points my odds are still high but i'm playing the game. In 2008 when I drew my 680 es sheep tag I was in the Hospial I had just had a quad Buypass every one told me I would not be able to hunt it with my Bow But I did I waited 46 years to draw the tag but I would have ate the tag before I would take it with a gun That's just Me Kyle can and will take it however he wants. its his business On the other hand this site is called bowsite

15-Jun-19
This was kind of answered on the ‘Corruption’ thread...

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