Next year I have a combo float trip hunt in ANWR for Grizzly, Dalls and Caribou.
I bought it originally as a SW Alaska bear hunt, but then the outfitter sold his bear area so he gave me this combo hunt in exchange.
I was planning to focus on Grizzlys first, but now that I'll likely tag a Desert ram in CA, plus the Dall next year (which also highly likely) would get me 3/4 of the way to my second FNAWS, needing just a Stone to do that. But Stone hunts are really pricey so that's how drawing this CA tag could end up costing me a bunch!
Congrats! There are some awesome tags being drawn by the bowsite crew! I can’t wait to see all the pictures and read all the stories!!!!! I hope we see a lot of positivity and keep the bitching, complaining, jealousy and not so subtle jabs to a minimum...
As best I understand it, everyone (with max points) is in the same pool for the preference tags, regardless of residency. Then, everyone remaining is in the same pool for the random tags, regardless of residency. But with the total draw being subjected, all along the way, to the NR ceiling.If it wasn't done that way, there'd be little reason for a NR with less than max points to apply.
There's no archery only sheep tags in CA. There's some nice things about CA sheep tags, but archery-only for better draw odds is not one of them.
The seasons are long (most are over 2 months) and there's not a lot of tags given out so there's mature rams in every unit. In CA, more rams die of old age than are shot by hunters, although the #1 reason for that is that so many of the sheep are in areas or herds that are off-limits to hunting for a variety of reasons (game reserves, state and national parks, military bases, or sub-sub-sub species that are considered threatened or endangered).
This year there were over 20 sheep tags, so NR’s were allotted 2 tags. That unit had 6 total tags this year, meaning 5 went to max point holders. If the applicant numbers remained the same those are killer desert sheep odds. As far as the NR cap goes, for sure you got lucky, but you don't know your true odds if you don’t know the % of max point holders that are R/NR. Who are the “Rain man” types who compute odds on this site? If the max point applicant pool is comprised of 10% NR’s and the NR quota is 10% of the permits then being a NR is of no statistical significance right?
Odds Bodkins!! All I would care about is I got a tag. The most sought after tag on the planet. Kyle I know you’re a mountain man but you might want to carry something for altitude sickness. Terry A about died up there. He had been up there many times but it almost killed him. Had it not been for an EMT that worked for him and an inhaler he could have died from fluid filling his lungs. Here’s some White Mountains rams
"It'd take almost 100 years for the other 16,346 of us to get a shot at those tag."
A lot of the people with max points will drop out due to age, infirmities, etc.
Plus, pick the most physically challenging unit you can, as a lot of folks won't apply there because of the physical challenge. That alone will dramatically increase you chances of drawing. It's also one of the reasons I applied in the Whites.
That is certainly the case in the Whites, as the number of applicants there is quite low compared to the other units.
The problem with that is that it would take BHS management out of the hands of the states, which is where it belongs.
It would also penalize those states which a good job of managing their sheep while subsidizing those states which don't.
Besides, UT and CA are already once-in-a-lifetime tags. NV is essentially OIL as well as it will probably take a RESIDENT twenty years to draw. If he does, he can't apply for ten years. At that point it will likely take 25-30 more years to draw again.
That leaves just AZ and NM and I don't know what their policies are.
Who wouldn’t do “just about anything” to obtain a good price on a sheep hunt? With in reason of course. Nobody, especially someone like Kyle who cares so much about the sheep like would consider or do anything nefarious.
That should be a troublesome statement for everyone on bowsite to read. Most of us here are about fairness. Fair chase bowhunting. Fair treatment of animals. Fair actions towards other ethical bowhunters.
Most of us follow a code of conduct. Such as not screwing over other hunters for personal gain, having respect for organizations looking toward the greater good for hunters and animals, even simple things like knowing regulations of what is legal and illegal to do and shot in the field. Basic decencies.
It should bother others when some says that anything “might” be on the table—depending on what “anything” is...
I can’t imagine a guy like Zack would make allegations like this without some sort of evidence. Kyle, in the last few years it sure seems like your actions, integrity and intentions have been questioned several times. You know what they say, where there is smoke there is likely a fire. Hmmm...
I’m with BOWUNTR, desert sheep should be one n done. I’ve taken mine on the same tag Kyle drew (also as a NR) and would gladly never apply for another in any state if those were the rules for everyone.
I respect you and your opinions. This is not a failure to communicate at all. I am actually fairly competent at communicating. I feel like I communicated my last question pretty clearly for Kyle to respond. If not, I have no problem making it more clear for everyone.
Scott, Kyle has every opportunity to respond to my question. He hasn’t. And when he does, I would hope it to be truthful. We will wait until then. In case it isn’t available above:
Kyle, did you talk to an outfitter recently about trying to buy all of the raffle tags he is donating as a fundraiser to a foundation recently?
Oh yeah, did you do that while usurping and ignoring the foundation that was supposed to be the recipient of the donation? Possibly a foundation which you have repeatedly taken full credit for its existence?
AZ and NM deserts are 1x in a lifetime, so is UT and CO. I know a guy who has drawn 3 in NV alone. Back to the odds thing, I am still waiting to hear where I was not correct... Where are the Rain Man types?! If NR are limited to 10% of the tags but, as shown, make up less than 10% of the drawing pool, isn’t it statistically insignificant that they are capped at 10%.
The Marine in me likes to make things simple, and with colors. Think about it in terms of low numbers, if there are 10 marbles in a jar, one red, and nine blue, and only one red can be drawn, then no more...well, all blue could be drawn, but the red one can also be drawn...if there was more than 10% of the pool red marbles different story, but that isn’t the case. Agree that the CA drawing system is a total sham.
Well I’m glad to see someone like Kyle get drawn. You’ve done so much for wild sheep that benefits all that have been drawn and will get drawn. Now I wish poor old Terry Anderson would drawn for something.
I had the good fortune of hunting Dall Sheep once in 2005. It was a great experience and I’m glad I did it but I have no desire to do it again. Too expensive, too dangerous and it never tripped my wire. This year I have an elk tag, antelope tag and a couple of whitie tags and that’s plenty good enough for me. I’m as excited as I ever was, any year and that’s the way Bow Hunting should be! I certainly hope the majority of us feel this way!
I'm playing the Game Like Kyle trying to draw sheep tags in different states lots of you are. I'm playing the Game in Montana I drew a ram tag in 2008 and a ewe tag in 2010 I'm going into this years draw with 7 points with a 7 year wait after drawing a tag I should only have 3 points but in Montana you can apply every year for ewe tags So that's what I did is find the hardest ewe tag in Montana to apply for In Montana a sheep bonus point is just that its not a ram or ewe point its a sheep point That's how I got the 4 extra bonus points my odds are still high but i'm playing the game. In 2008 when I drew my 680 es sheep tag I was in the Hospial I had just had a quad Buypass every one told me I would not be able to hunt it with my Bow But I did I waited 46 years to draw the tag but I would have ate the tag before I would take it with a gun That's just Me Kyle can and will take it however he wants. its his business On the other hand this site is called bowsite