Black Gold Sights
Brain removal
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
Stalker 14-Aug-19
ohiohunter 14-Aug-19
'Ike' (Phone) 14-Aug-19
Scrappy 14-Aug-19
Shawn 14-Aug-19
Trial153 14-Aug-19
Mike the Carpenter 14-Aug-19
Shiras42 14-Aug-19
LKH 14-Aug-19
Rock 14-Aug-19
ACB 14-Aug-19
ACB 14-Aug-19
fubar racin 14-Aug-19
smarba 14-Aug-19
APauls 14-Aug-19
Padfoot 14-Aug-19
Mossyhorn 14-Aug-19
Franklin 14-Aug-19
greg simon 14-Aug-19
DL 14-Aug-19
Franklin 14-Aug-19
DL 14-Aug-19
smarba 14-Aug-19
DL 14-Aug-19
txhunter58 14-Aug-19
W 14-Aug-19
ohiohunter 14-Aug-19
JTV 14-Aug-19
ohiohunter 14-Aug-19
cnelk 14-Aug-19
txhunter58 14-Aug-19
cnelk 14-Aug-19
txhunter58 14-Aug-19
txhunter58 14-Aug-19
Padfoot 14-Aug-19
Franklin 14-Aug-19
GF 14-Aug-19
cnelk 14-Aug-19
Treeline 14-Aug-19
Bridger Boiler 15-Aug-19
Mossyhorn 15-Aug-19
ohiohunter 15-Aug-19
midwest 15-Aug-19
txhunter58 15-Aug-19
Scrappy 15-Aug-19
DL 15-Aug-19
Jasper 15-Aug-19
txhunter58 17-Aug-19
WapitiBob 17-Aug-19
'Ike' (Phone) 17-Aug-19
itshot 17-Aug-19
JTV 17-Aug-19
Coyote 65 17-Aug-19
Ambush 17-Aug-19
Franklin 17-Aug-19
kentuckbowhnter 17-Aug-19
'Ike' (Phone) 17-Aug-19
joehunter 17-Aug-19
Ambush 17-Aug-19
DL 18-Aug-19
BULELK1 18-Aug-19
Buckshot 19-Aug-19
BOWUNTR 19-Aug-19
Cheesehead Mike 20-Aug-19
Cheesehead Mike 20-Aug-19
WapitiBob 20-Aug-19
Cheesehead Mike 21-Aug-19
stringgunner 21-Aug-19
WapitiBob 22-Aug-19
From: Stalker
14-Aug-19
ok so Im hunting out of state and need to remove brains from a skull before I bring it into my state, what's the best way to remove the brains

From: ohiohunter
14-Aug-19
Heavy gauge wire on a cordless drill. Old coat hanger works great if you can find one. Curl the end in a loop and give it a little bend. Scramble rinse repeat.

14-Aug-19
A stick...

From: Scrappy
14-Aug-19
Has anyone tried a high pressure car wash. I think it would work well enough but boy would it be messy, not to mention the strange looks you would get.

From: Shawn
14-Aug-19
Scramble and than pressure wash at car wash. Shawn

From: Trial153
14-Aug-19
What shawn said

14-Aug-19
Use the tools god has so graciously given you...a finger or a stick and then rinse it out at the nearest creek.

From: Shiras42
14-Aug-19
Rain gear, face mask, glasses and a power washer. :)

From: LKH
14-Aug-19
If it's unboiled it's very difficult to get the membrane lining the brain cavity out. Don't know if they consider that or not. I simply knock a hold in the bottom of the brain pan and dig them out. Bent wire and the drill works too.

From: Rock
14-Aug-19

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I use a nozzle on my garden hose like the one in the link https://www.homedepot.com/p/Sun-Joe-Solid-Brass-Sweeper-Jet-Hose-Nozzle-SJI-1JHN/206383827 It is messy but works really well without the need to scramble anything. Be sure the hole into the brain cavity is facing away from you and the only part of you that should get anything on is you hand.

From: ACB
14-Aug-19
I used a high pressure washer on a moose a couple years ago . It worked great . Better be away from buildings and were goggles and rain suit though .??

From: ACB
14-Aug-19

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Boiled it first

From: fubar racin
14-Aug-19
I think my boss had that done I’ll have to ask him how they did it and get back to y’all lol. In seriousness local car wash works well.

From: smarba
14-Aug-19
I'm assuming you want to keep the entire skull for Euro. You can use a saw (Sawzall is great, but I've done it remotely with a variety of saws) to expand the spinal cord hole down and even to extend into the roof of the mouth area to make a hole large enough to use a disposable plastic spoon, stick or other to pull out the brain. The enlarged hole won't show on a Euro. If you need to screw a bracket into the back of the skull for hanging etc. due to the hole being bigger that won't show either.

Remember, the whole reason for this is due to the potential of disease. Whether you believe or don't, it would be prudent to wear rubber gloves at minimum, perhaps even eye and face protection.

From: APauls
14-Aug-19
Scramble, boil, hazmat suit, pressure wash

From: Padfoot
14-Aug-19
I got a galvanized bucket from the hardware store in town and dug a recessed pit for my single burner stove to boil out an elk head in camp. It took about a day and two bottles of propane. I picked off the exterior stuff and the nasal cavity pulled right out.

Took it to a car wash and pressure washed the brains out with a bit of scrambling with a probe. I like the idea of an old coat hanger in a drill for that job I think it would have gone smoother. Sorry for the pun??

From: Mossyhorn
14-Aug-19
Be careful of what the regulations actually say. Most of them now say that "ALL" tissue be removed from the skull. That's a lot of work and it's not just a matter of removing the brain. You could also get dinged if you're transporting it to another area just to get to a car wash. What about the issue of potentially spreading CWD prions all over the car wash? Where's the waste water going? I don't know if I'd like to explain that to law enforcement?

From: Franklin
14-Aug-19
Are we assuming you are talking about a skull mount? Or are you planning on a shoulder mount?

From: greg simon
14-Aug-19
Saw out skull plate. Clean skull plate. Not worth the hassel for a euro. Probably not legal any way you do a euro short of full blown boil and chemical treatment anyway. Assuming you will be transporting the skull.

From: DL
14-Aug-19
I cleaned one out and then used a propane torch inside to burn out any residue.

From: Franklin
14-Aug-19
Great idea DL.....BTW are you the same DL from a popular (not so much anymore) taxidermy site?

From: DL
14-Aug-19
That I am.

From: smarba
14-Aug-19
The crazy thing is bleach doesn't kill prions, burning doesn't either. So "cleaned skull plate" or "no tissue" isn't really removing the potential problem. It's just making us all feel good about moving ones trophy from one place to another.

From: DL
14-Aug-19
It’s just humoring the authorities. It’s the same thinking that banning guns will stop gun violence.

From: txhunter58
14-Aug-19
I suspect the only Legal way is to leave it with a taxidermy shop in that state and have them do the European for you

Trying to do it yourself would probably not be legal. There is no way you will be able to get all of potential Prion material off in the field or at a car wash. So suspect you would be breaking the law and risk brining CWD to your state if you attempt to do it yourself.

From: W
14-Aug-19
When CWD is everywhere, we won’t have to worry about it. I left a deer head with a taxi in Wyoming last year. He boiled it out and shipped it to me. The law says that you must leave the spine, etc in the field. I saw plenty of deer getting a ride out of the woods having only been gutted.

From: ohiohunter
14-Aug-19
So what will kill the prion?

From: JTV
14-Aug-19
^^ ... nothing ... once in the soil it stays in the soil, or possibly even plants ...

From: ohiohunter
14-Aug-19
Some serious 12 monkeys stuff!

From: cnelk
14-Aug-19
CWD is everywhere. It just hasn’t been tested for where it’s not yet prevalent

From: txhunter58
14-Aug-19
Sorry; but that is not true

From: cnelk
14-Aug-19
How does anyone know if it’s not being tested for?

From: txhunter58
14-Aug-19
Because it is being tested for. Thousands in Texas including at least one every year from my ranch. One doe that sure looked like she had CWD, weak, emaciated. All Negative except in West Texas and Panhandle (migrated from New Mexico) and around deer farms, where it got there in a trailer.

From: txhunter58
14-Aug-19
Here is a link:

https://tvmdl.tamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/EWF031rvsd.pdf

This in part of it:

Chronic Wasting Disease in Texas The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has sampled for CWD since 2002 from hunter harvest, road kill and clinical animals. This sampling represents Texas’ proactive stance on the issue. To date, more than 32,000 samples have been collected from free-ranging white-tailed and mule deer across the state. More than 12,000 samples have been collected by permitted deer breeders in Texas as part of the surveillance program to move deer. In 2012, CWD was detected in free-ranging mule deer in the Hueco Mountains in El Paso and Hudspeth counties in West Texas. To contain the disease, TPWD responded by restricting unnatural movement of animals and imposing mandatory sampling of hunter harvested animals in the area. Enhanced surveillance continues in that area to determine the extent of the disease. To date, seven mule deer have tested positive for CWD— all have been located in the Hueco Mountains area. In July 2015, TPWD and the Texas Animal Health Commission confirmed a case of CWD in a captive white-tailed deer in Medina County. This was the first identified instance of the disease in captive white-tailed deer in Texas. Follow-up testing found three more positive animals in the herd. A deer from this facility that was moved to another facility, subsequently also tested positive—for a total of five. Efforts are underway to determine the source of the animal’s infection, test animals that have left the index facility and to formulate management strategies. TPWD is also increasing surveillance of free-ranging deer throughout the state.

From: Padfoot
14-Aug-19
I did the boil, pressure wash out to satisfy the DFG rules and authorities. Funny thing is when a crossed the California border the station officer saw the skull on the trailer and waved me thru. I think if you try to meet the spirit of the law then they won’t hassle you, even in CA.

That’s a good point about washing the prions into the waste water, but I wonder whether most western states care enough to get fussy about that. In my case 80-90% of the brain matter was scooped out in camp. Did the wash out on the way home in the first town we came to (Grand Junction).

From: Franklin
14-Aug-19
You are testing animals....not the soil. The CWD prion could very well be everywhere....in the soil. That is pretty much what put the kabosh on a lot of DNR`s CWD herd management strategies.

From: GF
14-Aug-19
Just give it a Compound. Effects are almost instantaneous.

From: cnelk
14-Aug-19
My point was, there are more places/ area that arent testing for CWD than there are. And like mentioned above, maybe the beta testing isnt in the right category.

So, if testing isnt taking place everywhere, and not in the right category [everywhere], there is really not enough information to know that its not everywhere

Dunno. Im sure Ive eaten my share of CWD over the past few decades. But ya gotta die of sumthin'

From: Treeline
14-Aug-19
Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything when I caught that one GF! Definitely would have blown out my nose!!!

15-Aug-19

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Just saw this post and thought some of you may be interested, I have struggled for the last several years to try and do things legally with the transportation of my skulls across state lines as I think euro mounts are a lot nicer than skull plates. So I created a solution to my problem and also have them for sale. I have created a transportable, self contained boiling system that works great with elk and deer. It is simple to bring with, set up and boil for up to 5hrs on 1 single 5lb LP tank. That way you can return home with a completed mount or two ready for display on the wall. Most Fish and Game regulations state that the skull must be clean and finished taxidermy work, with no regulations yet on what "clean is"

From: Mossyhorn
15-Aug-19
If CWD was everywhere, or in more places than we even know. Then why don't we see the emaciated, dying deer and elk?

Bridger Boiler, that's a nice set up you have there! With the right setup, you can cook, clean, power wash a skull in camp before coming home. If you have the time, you can have a "finished" european mount right in camp.

From: ohiohunter
15-Aug-19
It’s less about it possibly being everywhere and more about trying to keep it isolated. Regardless of what we think there are far more educated people on the topic who are demising and implementing the rules. Ethical sportsmen will comply, ignorance and speculation is no excuse.

From: midwest
15-Aug-19
Ask AOC how they removed hers.

From: txhunter58
15-Aug-19
We don’t have enough info to say CWD is not on the moon because we haven’t tested there right?

We should deal with facts, not maybes. I get it, I do, where there are few facts we get into maybes. And there are not enough facts about CWD to get it nailed down. But maybes don’t help us

From: Scrappy
15-Aug-19
Midwest, who can say she ever had one.

From: DL
15-Aug-19
Shipping an elk head would be seriously expensive unless you cut off the antlers at the bases then reattached them. Coming into California we have to go through Ag check stations I’ve never been asked or checked for having any game. The secret is don’t look like a hunter. Wash your truck, shave and wear street clothes. No hats or camo. Look like a tourist.

From: Jasper
15-Aug-19

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Saw the antlers off and put them on a Mountain Mike skull kit when you get home

From: txhunter58
17-Aug-19
Check this out:

From AzG&F:

Hunters from out of state may only bring the following animal parts into Arizona according to the following requirements of Arizona Game and Commission Rule R12-4-305:

Meat that is boneless or has been commercially butchered and packaged Finished taxidermy mounts Skulls that are mounted or clean skulls/skull plates without any meat or soft tissue Antlers that are hard-horned or velvet antlers that have been taxidermied Hides without any meat or soft tissue Teeth without any tissue attached

From: WapitiBob
17-Aug-19
It took all of 30 seconds to get clarification from the Wyoming Chief Game Warden before last years hunt...

"If I cape and remove the eyes and brains from my Bulls skull have I met the CWD requirements?"

"Yes"

They then added the word "skull" to this years cwd section of the regulations.

17-Aug-19
Just received this from AZ....

Hunters from out of state may only bring the following animal parts into Arizona according to the following requirements of Arizona Game and Commission Rule R12-4-305:

Meat that is boneless or has been commercially butchered and packaged Finished taxidermy mounts Skulls that are mounted or clean skulls/skull plates without any meat or soft tissue Antlers that are hard-horned or velvet antlers that have been taxidermied Hides without any meat or soft tissue Teeth without any tissue attached

Out-of-state hunters coming to hunt in Arizona should check with their state about importation rules. They can also check the CWD alliance website: http://cwd-info.org/ and select the state from the map.

From: itshot
17-Aug-19

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boiler , that's pretty cool!

my method involves stealth and camo: no brains detected, or even suspected within a few miles of this rig. . .even stench is overlooked, oddly enough

From: JTV
17-Aug-19
Become a democrat ...become a liberal/socialist... brain removal is free .... 3-2-1 ...................... ;0)

From: Coyote 65
17-Aug-19
Don't you just miss the toxic portion of the bowsite?

From: Ambush
17-Aug-19
For Wyoming antelope back into Canada, I take a large pot that I use for boiling crabs. Scrap off as much flesh as possible, scramble the brians and shake out. Drive a screwdriver into the ear canals and pry them out after the first simmer. Flushing the cavity is way easier then. If you plan to "car wash" the skull along the way, keep it wet after simmering. I've usually been able to get the membrane out of the simmered cavity with needle nose pliers on euros.

Go overboard and you'll likely have no problems. Trying to "sneak by" often leads to scrutiny and hassles.

From: Franklin
17-Aug-19
I really have no faith in the supposed "authorities". The DNR....including the biologists... in Wisconsin had implemented a CWD strategy for a decade which included eradication as they felt a certain age and class of deer were the culprit.

After a 12 year study by University of Wisconsin they came out and said "it`s in the soil and not being spread by the culprit deer".....the DNR`s response was...."Ooops, never mind". After filling up dumpsters with perfectly healthy deer for 5 years and destroying our herds.

A hunter has their finger on the pulse of the deer herds....the DNR and so called experts do not.

17-Aug-19
Call congresswoman AOC. She removed her brains without a scar.

17-Aug-19
I thought that was Ike's Subaru there for a minute...Lol Very similar...

From: joehunter
17-Aug-19
Pronghorns do not get CWD.

From: Ambush
17-Aug-19
But I still have to follow the protocol to bring any big game animal into Canada. And it's getting more attention with all the talk about disease.

From: DL
18-Aug-19
I’ve been fortunate because every elk I’ve ever shot was brainless.

From: BULELK1
18-Aug-19
I just cape the head and saw the antlers off leaving the skull plate intact with the antlers at about the eyes.

Take the ivories out and I am gone...….lot's less weight to backpack off the mountain too.

Good luck, Robb

From: Buckshot
19-Aug-19
Alabama won't even allow the skull back across state lines. If I am lucky enough, I have to remove the skull plate and only bring it and the hide back. All meat has to be de-boned.

From: BOWUNTR
19-Aug-19
I didn't see anyone mention an air hose... that is the quickest and cleanest way to do it. It takes 5 seconds to completely remove the brain from any skull. Ed F

20-Aug-19
I don't have a pressure washer or air compressor in elk camp so I scrambled the brain with a wire and then dumped boiling water in the rear hole, dumped it out and repeated the process a few times. It came pretty clean.

20-Aug-19
WapitiBob, I remember we had this discussion last year...

I haven't read this year's regulations yet but in your opinion what effect does adding the word "skull" to the cwd section have?

From: WapitiBob
20-Aug-19
Adding "skull" allows a person to take the head home for a euro mount; prior to, it was limited to skull plate.

(c) Only the following parts of any deer, elk or moose harvested from any hunt area taken in Wyoming may be transported to other states, provinces or countries: edible portions with no part of the spinal column or head attached; cleaned hide without the head; < or skull > or skull plate; or antlers that have been cleaned of all meat and brain tissue; teeth; or, finished taxidermy mounts. Whole deer, elk and moose carcasses harvested from any hunt area shall not be transported out of Wyoming.

21-Aug-19
Thanks.

From: stringgunner
21-Aug-19
Waipatibob- Oregon regulations don’t read that “skull” is allowed. Does this mean only skull plates can cross the Oregon boarder?

From: WapitiBob
22-Aug-19
It looks that way.

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