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Wildebeest Grand Slam?
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wackmaster2 22-Sep-19
Zebrakiller 22-Sep-19
Bou'bound 22-Sep-19
Zebrakiller 22-Sep-19
Zebrakiller 22-Sep-19
Zebrakiller 22-Sep-19
Zebrakiller 22-Sep-19
pointingdogs 22-Sep-19
pointingdogs 22-Sep-19
Dale06 22-Sep-19
EIStone 22-Sep-19
RK 22-Sep-19
Buffalo1 22-Sep-19
Spiral Horn 22-Sep-19
RK 22-Sep-19
RK 22-Sep-19
Glunker 22-Sep-19
Huntcell 22-Sep-19
Spiral Horn 22-Sep-19
DVS 23-Sep-19
Overland 23-Sep-19
kota-man 23-Sep-19
TrapperKayak 23-Sep-19
Snuffer 23-Sep-19
AZ~Rich 23-Sep-19
Overland 23-Sep-19
StickFlicker 23-Sep-19
TrapperKayak 23-Sep-19
Snuffer 23-Sep-19
StickFlicker 23-Sep-19
TrapperKayak 23-Sep-19
TrapperKayak 23-Sep-19
From: wackmaster2
22-Sep-19
How many have the Grand slam? All 4 Wildebeests. Black,Blue,Golden and the King.

From: Zebrakiller
22-Sep-19
Be a cool slam to have i have been in camp when all have been shot but not same hunter

From: Bou'bound
22-Sep-19
Didn’t know there was such a thing. Any photos of all four

From: Zebrakiller
22-Sep-19

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Kings

From: Zebrakiller
22-Sep-19

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Golden

From: Zebrakiller
22-Sep-19

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Black

From: Zebrakiller
22-Sep-19

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Blue

From: pointingdogs
22-Sep-19
Do they habitat the same areas or are they specific to regions

From: pointingdogs
22-Sep-19
Do they habitat the same areas or are they specific to regions

From: Dale06
22-Sep-19
Just the black and blue for me. Actually was not aware of the others.

From: EIStone
22-Sep-19
I have two Blues was curious what is the difference between the Golden and the King I haven't heard of the King before but just saw Goldens at Limcroma last month.

From: RK
22-Sep-19
Well it's been awhile but I only remember three. Blue Black and King

King is from Botswana

Golden is nothing but a color phase of blue that was developed by I think, if I remember right, by the York family from Zimbabwe that relocated to South Africa for obvious reasons. He caught a golden colored blue in Zimbabwe and through breeding eventually got one bull and some F1 stock to start consistently producing golden

The Kings I'm not positive on but think Botswana I'll have to go back and research that

Does not matter Cool colors just like black impala etc.

Kind of like here with all the color phases of Corsican sheep engineered for the exotic market

From: Buffalo1
22-Sep-19
There are 5 wildebeest species recognized by SCI: Blue, Black, Cookson, Nyasa and White-bearded.

Don't know why the Golden or King species are not recognized.

From: Spiral Horn
22-Sep-19
Here we go

From: RK
22-Sep-19
Greg that's right. Don't know either on why the other two are not listed. Thanks for jogging the memory

Spiral horn ?? What are you talking about?

From: RK
22-Sep-19
Greg that's right. Don't know either on why the other two are not listed. Thanks for jogging the memory

Spiral horn ?? What are you talking about?

From: Glunker
22-Sep-19
Cool, not on my list, but cool.

From: Huntcell
22-Sep-19
Be careful with the term “Grand Slam” Some folks are very touchy and possessive of the term.

To bad Grand slam , Grand slam , Grand slam .......

From: Spiral Horn
22-Sep-19
The Blue, Black, Cookson’s, Nyasa, and White-bearded are all naturally-occurring separate subspecies of Wildebeest. The latter three have a very narrow natural distribution (Cookson’s is only naturally found in Luangwa Valley, Zambia).

The Golden and King are not separate sub-species. They are a color phase of the Blue Wildebeest created through the practice of selective breeding, mostly on South African Game Ranches. SCI does not currently recognize a separate record book category for either; and there is no Wildebeest Slam.

The term “SLAM” is a term-of-art in the hunting world copyrighted by Grand Slam Club Ovis. That’s where folks register their “Grand Slam of North American Wild Sheep”, “Capra World Slam”, “Ovis World Slam”, “Super Slam”. In fact, SCI had to change all of their previous “Grand Slam” categories to “Milestone Awards” due to GSCO’s objections to SCI coopting the term.

So, not saying the Golden and King Wildebeest aren’t beautiful or worth Hunting. Its just that the “Wildebeest Slam” is a made-up term for animals not all currently categorized by anyone as separate subspecies. A few years back some of my friends euphemistically made up and had fun with the term “Ham-Slam” to describe taking the pigs of the world.

From: DVS
23-Sep-19

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We had a hunter this year that finished his wildebeest slam with a king and a golden. He did his blue and black last year with us as well. Beautiful animals.

From: Overland
23-Sep-19
Spiral Horn's explanation is spot on. Why someone would pursue a man-made (well, altered) color of an animal is beyond me. There is nothing natural about a "golden" wildebeest and you will only find them behind high fences. Might want to add Black Angus and Holstein to your list while you're at it.

From: kota-man
23-Sep-19
“Like” on Spiral Horn’s post. I’m still shooting for the Like button Shug....

From: TrapperKayak
23-Sep-19
Many animals in African safaris are 'high fence'. Doesn't mean they aren't wild and tough to get shots on. Some of those areas are huge and/or basically open free range due to poor fencing. And genetics are altered on many things. Doesn't make them off limits to hunt, harvest, ingest, or own. Do you own a dog? Do you restrict your diet to non gmo products? Would you shoot a color phase bear? Piebald deer? Wild boar, brought here by 'man'? Exotics in New Zealand, Hawaii? Exotics in Texas? Sure they may be genetic variations naturally, or artificially introduced, but last time I checked, humans were 'part of nature'. I personally think these animals are all fair game.

From: Snuffer
23-Sep-19
Always an overland in every crowd, hasnt been and wont ever go to many places but will always dump his opinion squarely on our heads. You have no clue...

From: AZ~Rich
23-Sep-19
Spiral Horn's interpretation is what I always thought as well. The color phases are interesting and certainly create further demand for hunters who might otherwise only want to take one representative trophy of a Blue Wildebeest. In the Southern habitats of Africa Hunters can now take three differing color phases of the blue plus a black. Same thing with Springbok...now with 4 color phases. Gemsbok has 2-3 color phases, Impala 3-4 depending. It's all good for the safari operators wanting to offer more species/variants on their hunts.

From: Overland
23-Sep-19
Snuffer,

Nice job assuming. You know what that does... I have been. I enjoyed it a lot. I also absolutely have a clue.

TrapperKayak, there is a huge difference between hunting a naturally occurring variation (piebald, color phase bear) than hunting something that has been specifically altered to appeal to hunters. Your argument regarding feral hogs is flawed in that they are an invasive specie. I shoot carp. I would also shoot feral hogs.

I have absolutely no problem with the hunting of high-fence SA game ranches. I voiced my opinion on hunting an animal that was specifically modified for the sole purpose of marketing it to hunters. Game ranches serve an important function. They create an affordable African experience for many hunters. They also sometimes help with the breeding of certain rarer animals for release into the wild. A golden wildebeest just seems wrong on so many levels. To create an animal specifically for the sole purpose of marketing it to hunters rubs me the wrong way.

From: StickFlicker
23-Sep-19

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Nyasa Wildebeest

From: TrapperKayak
23-Sep-19
Overland, likewise, the comparison of adding black Angus and Holstein to fhe list holds little significance to this assessment... if you are going to say that, dont make it a negative slam on those who wish to shoot color variation wildebeest.

From: Snuffer
23-Sep-19
X2 TK

From: StickFlicker
23-Sep-19
I think some of the new colors are beautiful, particularly the black impala. However, it does concern me that turning these artificial hybrids loose across South Africa will permanently contaminate the genetics of the original natural colors. For example, I think the common Gemsbok is beautiful, and the dark black markings in contrast with the white face is striking. I don't think so much of the new muted brown colors which look like a faded animal (like a mount that had been kept under fluorescent lights for too many years). I'm afraid we will lose the nice dark black natural colored animals over time and they eventually will all be some variation of faded and washed out looking due to years of cross breeding?

From: TrapperKayak
23-Sep-19
That's a good point Maybe best to keep color variations separated from 'wild' ones for the most part. Isolate them to 'high fence', and just let the Holstein hunters go after them.

From: TrapperKayak
23-Sep-19
;)

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