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Activated Carbon Hunting Clothes
Does anyone have experience with using hunting clothing with activated carbon besides ScentLok or are they the only game in town?
Yes, I hunt according to wind direction forecast & morning/evening thermals. But on those days when wind is calm or variable, I'd like to know if anyone has and reccomends certain brand of carbon activated hunting gear.
Buy the clothing based upon the material on the outside and the camo pattern. The "carbon" part is sketchy at best.
I have carbon suits because I like a fleece coverall that I layer under when hunting deer. Nobody seems to make these anymore other than some scent lock type manufacturers.
Used to be Scentlok and Scentblocker. Scentlok bought out Scentblocker.
The technology has been pretty well debunked. But it’s your money...
If memory serves, that technology was disproven in court, which led to false advertising penalties.
Never was real but they have some pretty pattens that do a good job. Ah how I yearn for the scentlock in the dryer days. It does not hurt or help
Now if you want to talk about the hecs suits that stifle the brainwaves or electromagnetic field there is something that has a bit more application but they are costly
Saying a deer can smell a guy in a carbon suit is almost as dumb as saying a deer can’t smell a guy in a carbon suit, isn't it? I mean, how can anyone predict, with any certainty, whether or not a carbon suit will or will not help under all conditions?
John Eberhardt's take on the carbon is interesting. I still don't have any, but he does seem like a guy who does his research.
I have used both scentlok and scentblocker. Just like every other scent control product, it's not 100% fool proof. After about 20 years experience with these products, I can attest wholeheartedly that they do make a difference. There have been years where I got lazy and slacked off on the scent control routine and those are years I've had the worst luck. Keep yourself, your clothing and all your equipment clean and scent free. Wear a scent blocking clothing product including a face mask as directed. Spray down everything you can with a scent eliminator before you walk in. Keep your outer layer in a scent free bag and don't put it on until you are at your stand. Only hunt stands that have a favorable wind. Do everything right, every time and you will be more successful. I've found that if I do all these things I have considerably more deer walk downwind without spooking. I'll keep doing what I'm doing and I'll let you know how that turns out.
As for it being disproved in court. what does that ever have to do with reality. You can prove/disprove absolutely anything if you have a better team of lawyers and a favorable judge. What happens in civil court has more to do with talent and money than with right and wrong. Their advertising made it sound like it was 100% effective. If they would have toned it down and used different language, things probably would have turned out different for them. Just my opinion.
I’d you believe it works, then it’ll work. That being said, it doesn’t work.
You're better off buying a wool outfit, with merino wool undergarments. The scent eliminating qualities of wool isn't debatable. Its other qualities, like remaining warm when wet and quiet to the touch, make it the obvious choice to me.
“If you believe it works, then it’ll work.”
What if YOU believe it’ll work, but the deer walking down-wind from you is a skeptic??
Carbon needs to be heated to 1200 degrees to "reactivate". Even if you COULD find a clothes dryer that got that hot (you can't), the clothing would be ashes when you took it out. You got scammed Jeff! ;-)
From an article by T.R. Michaels.........
"Bottom line, on this planet, using materials from this planet, and using the laws of science from this planet; it is impossible for your commercial carbon suit to work for you while hunting as you claim. Your carbon suit is fully saturated at time of manufacture, there is no method known to man for your saturated carbon suit to be desorbed, and the only methods known for your saturated carbon suit to be partially desorbed is greater than any temperature reached by any household dryer manufactured. Even if you had access to technical heating equipment to safely bring the temps of your saturated carbon suit above 212degrees F, it is a losing battle as you will have a continual loss in the ability for your suit to be partially desorbed. The highest grade sealed military unit is worthless beyond 1 use, 45 days of being unsealed, or 6 washings. Your commercial suit is worthless the moment it is manufactured."
What makes bowhunting fun is that its hard to kill stuff. Not worrying about scent equals more fun.
^^^. Using that logic...... If you crapped your pants while hunting it would be a blast !!!! ???? :-)
Uh...I think you would crap your pants BECAUSE of the "blast"!!!
There are techniques available to increase adsorption of a garment after being on a shelf. They don't involve a dryer though, and I wouldn't believe for a second that it would ever fool an animals nose.
I used scent lol and found it to be complete waste of money, they are still going to smell your breath etc!
Here is my theory on human scent and stand hunting. You have what I call a "cone" of scent travelling from where you are standing downwind for however many yards it takes it to dissipate, which could be over 1/2 mile. There is nothing you can do to completely eliminate that cone moving downwind and expanding as it goes along do to fickle wind currents. I want to do everything possible to keep that cone as narrow and vague as possible. I've seen it work too many times to not have faith in it. If you stink the deer will smell you sooner as they approach that "cone of scent". The cone is much wider and more alarming. If you are scent free they might actually walk through the scent stream without getting enough of a wiff to get alarmed. That might give you enough extra time to get a shot off before they wind you. I seldom hunt a stand where there is a good chance of a buck walking by downwind. I say seldom because I do have stands where a deer can and will come from absolutely every direction. On those stands I want to be as scent free as I possibly can be. I don't believe that the carbon gets saturated and quits absorbing. I have a set of scentblocker boot inserts that I've never put in the dryer. They are about 5 years old and they still take odors out of my boots. Maybe that's just all in my head as well. I also believe that a maximum positive attitude works about as well. If you are certain that you are going to be successful, you probably will be. I'll do it all over again this year and send you pictures after the hunt.
It's a miracle that any hunters actually killed game before the "scent-free" scam started (sarcasm).
In my experience, cover scents are far more effective than any "scent free" voodoo. I know for fact that deer love the smell of Copenhagen Wintergreen chewing tobacco. I've routinely had them walk up to the bush I've been spitting on and lick the branches. ;-)
I bought a ScentLock goretex jacket and think it was well worth it.
I think I paid $10.
I don’t believe in the “carbon technology”
I believe it’s a nice jacket for $10
I agree with JSW that anything that reduces your scent will buy you a certain amount of time & distance.
And there is no doubt that confidence and s positive attitude are important to your success....
But mostly, I’ve figured out that the wind rarely behaves as expected...
That’s either a reason take every conceivable scent-control measure, or a reason to pay attention to everything you can and learn whatever tricks you can.... that DON’T come “in a can”...
While effectiveness can be debated, the lawsuit was clearly bullshit. It was all because the original add said "100% effective" when that is not the case... thus the lawsuit over technically false advertsing.
But the lawsuit never addressed if the carbon products worked at all, a little or a lot. Ambulance chasers can even be found in the woods!
The lawsuit was covered in better detail years ago here. And as I recall, one of the big anti-carbon guys was looking to market a competing product. Imagine that! Lol
Like JTV mentions, my understanding of it is that the activated charcoal has been proven to absorb scents. How often you activate it and exactly what % of your odor that it will absorb is where the question is. I don't think anyone will argue 100%, but I can't think it would hurt.
I used to get all freaky on my scent control, and since went with the idea that I can't fool them anyways, so why bother. Zero scent control, just hunting the wind. Now it's completely anecdotal and observational, but I feel like I got busted more often when giving up on it. So I'm prob working my way to a happy medium.
"Forget the wind, just hunt".....perhaps the worst slogan in hunting history.
Yup. It ranks right up there with....."It's like throwing an axe through a deer!"
I agree with JSW. I have been using and experimenting with scent control products and carbon clothing since 1985. I was already interested in scent control and how to reduce it when a sales rep walked in my little archery shop and introduced me to Scent Shield. I was a complete skeptic until I started experimenting and trying it. Then when the carbon suits came out I thought it was a gimmick. I had a friend raving about them, I still wasn't convinced, then another friend with lots and lots of big deer on the wall said they work if you used them right. So I tried one and called in a killed my biggest coyote ever and he never winded me. That morning made me start experimenting more.
You can't just throw on a suit and go. There is so, so much more to it. I hunt with a friend occasionally that doesn't have a clue about scent control. I decided to try going without my carbon clothing. I still wore clean clothes and carried them in a plastic tote and put them on in the field. Had a small buck work his way downwind of me and at 40 yds came unglued and was still running 1/2 mile later. When wearing carbon clothing and taking all the same scent control measures, I rarely, rarely have a deer react past 40 yds. Up close on occasion they will get nervous and know something isn't right, but they don't blow out. I have 2 P&Y bucks on the wall I killed that came in downwind and never got me. Didn't plan it that way, bucks go where they want. In the old days that never would have happened.
I go to great lengths to keep body, clothes and boots clean. I never wash my carbon suits and use an old dryer without a sensor on it to "refresh" the carbon. They come out so hot you will get burned on anything metal. I figure I can get about 3-5 seasons out of a set then they are just good camo. I talked at length with Greg Sesselman who invented carbon clothing about decreased performance and heating and washing.
It is like any other tool, don't believe all the marketing hype and use it for what it is worth. It takes a lot of work to be scent free, far more than most guys want to do, but for me it is worth it because I have very few places to hunt.
Isn't it great to live in America and have all these choices?
Wind.... thermals... movement.
Pay attention to all 3.
I’ve got a pair of ScentBlocker pants with Trinity Technology..... Whatever the Sam hell that means. I think the company that made them went bankrupt.....
Maybe I’ll get a HECS suit. Dudley says they’re the bomb.....Then I’ll be invisible.....:-)
If It Works For You, Then Go For It!
If It Works For You, Then Go For It!
My son in law has a set. We were heading out for an afternoon hunt. He started giggling and asked what now?? He farted and just about killed us both...either he has nuclear powered flatulence or the carbon embedded clothing doesn't work...
I did not use such clothes, but I would like to, despite the fact that there is little information about this on the Internet.
It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled
Combine it with HECS, carbon face paint, and one of those Ozonics machines and you are good to go.
John Eberhart states that for them to be effective you need to wear rubber boots with the pants over them, face mask that’s scentlock, and your back pack needs to be scent free and gloves as well. Most people just wear the pants and jacket and call it good.
Forgot to mention he also said they sent a suit for testing by a lab for their lawsuit and it was determined to in fact hold in scent.
"Combine it with HECS, carbon face paint, and one of those Ozonics machines and you are good to go".
You left out the most important gadget, a firefly wind indicator. You've got to have electronics to tie it altogether and be successful :)
They can help, to a limited extent. If you are not 100% dedicated to scent reduction, forget it. Anything you touch (bow, quiver, arrows) or rides against your body (like hunting backpacks) will stink. Consider going on a vegan diet to reduce breath and body odor. Multiple showers each day. Manscaping to the extent your masculinity may be questioned. Still interested? Me...I’ll play the wind, keep myself and my clothes clean, and put up with a few deer scenting me.
Your breath goes down wind and is nasty to a deer/ elk, same with your hair and face and shoes you wore while putting diesel in your rig and while you ate breakfast your clothes absorbed all that wonderful scent! Hunt the Wind!!! I wouldn't use anything scented, but we all smell like humans no matter what! Spend 10 days in the back country without really being able to wash yourself or clothes! YOU STINK!! But So Do I! LOL
Oh and GG is right, for some crazy reason deer love Cope and Skoal!!!
I did not use such clothes, but I would like to, despite the fact that there is little information about this on the Internet. I have a birthday coming up and I'll probably ask my wife to give me these clothes. On my last birthday, I asked her to give me some great hunting boots, but instead, she gave me a bathrobe from matchinggear.com lol. In fact, I was very pleased, because I am sure that she tried for a long time to choose this gift and make me happy.
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Well....i will throw in my .02
I own a couple of the scentlok suits and believe that when COMBINED with a good scent control regimen, it helps. I tend to layer with under clothing that is saturated in baking soda. I also use baking sold on my hair and teeth. My boots and clothing are also stored in aie tight bins while covered in baking soda. Ive found that i get "scented" far less by using this particular method and i have killed a whole lot more animals since going this route. I still try to play the wind as much as possible but as a stalking hunter the wind is always trying to subvert me. For years i ignored scent control or only went half hearted into it and as a result harvested a lot of younger, less wise animals. Now that i follow a pretty strict regimen i have had some of the most exciting hunts of my life. Everything from deer, turkey, and bear bedding down within yards of me to having an old doe try to nibble on my ASAT Vanish suit. I realize that everyone has a plan that works for them but this definitely works for me. I havent had any luck with ozone or nosejammer either.
I have worn scentlok clothing Since about 2006 or 2007 I believe. When I first started, I believed in the technology and took extra special care of it for the first few years.
However, as time passed my opinions changed. I now care for it as I do any of my hinting clothes and try to keep them as scent free as I can but do my best to play the wind and thermals, without relying on the carbon technology.
For me personally, I like their clothing designs and their sizing fits me well. So, for those reasons I continue to buy it.
That is just my own opinion. Like others have said, if it gives you confidence, by all means use that to your advantage.
You can order a military activated charcoal chemical suit online.
They are cheap and back in the day they seemed to work fairly well when I used them.
Be fair warned if you order one.... There is actual carbon in the inside of the suit (top and bottom that button together) and it will get all over whatever you have on underneath.
Great option to try the original scent/chemical containment garment developed and issued to our troops.
Here’s what I’m talking about
I guess my thought process is different. I haven’t worried about scent control, cover scents or lures in years. Used to be caught up in it, but then realized that around here it’s a waste of time and money.
It seems that in this area, there’s always someone out in the woods. Antler hunting, mushroom hunting, nature walks, squirrel hunting and then deer hunting. I really think that deer get conditioned to human scent in the woods.
Don’t get me wrong, I try to shower before I go out, don’t fuel up my truck in hunting gear, avoid eating in gear, that kind of stuff. I just haven’t seen that it matters all that much. Shower, keep my clothes on the back porch and go hunting.
Now, I’m sure it’s different in areas with huge tracts of timber where the deer don’t see a human until deer season, but in a farming area, to me it doesn’t matter. Also out west is a different story.
I beg to differ.
I manage 3 wastewater treatment plants, 83 pump stations convey flow to the plants through the collection system.
A number of these have odor control systems that use ACTIVATED CARBON canisters that have automatic flush cycles.
When there are odor complaint, 9 times out of 10 it is an issue with those ACTIVATED CARBON systems.
Activated carbon. Activated carbon. Activated carbon.
By the way...these systems use ACTIVATED carbon.
I agree, the attempt to eliminate odor is impossible.
However, if I can convince deer that my scent is either residual from some time ago or that the scent is coming further away...
I’ll take it.
I killed 9 turkeys this year. Several of them down wind!! You just can’t argue with results like that!!!
'Cover scents', scent blocking charcoal suits, ozone, sheesh!
Three words - MIND THE WIND. Be prepared to _not_ hunt your 'favorite' stand if the wind is wrong. Don't enter so your scent blows where you expect to see deer approach.
This is '101' stuff. '102' even simpler - don't be a sucker for gimmicks.
Literally impossible for it to work for several reason fyi, based on several facts. I believe lawsuits were won over this..........
Wear it in combination with HECS and you’re gold.
I once farted in my sleeping bag and couldn’t smell it till I opened it.
Should I hunt in a sleeping bag? Or did I just happen to open it when the sweet aroma finally hit my nose?
Both very important questions that need answering of this puzzling situation.
Seriously I had a scent loc suit back in the day. After showering in scent killer soap and spraying with scent killer the deer still smelled me if they got down wind.
So the perception I’m getting is other than playing the wind, there is no need to worry about anything else scent related? Let’s have a vote... I’ll mail out the ballots. :)
Exactly. A friend of mine was hunting about eight feet up an old apple tree. Smoking a cigarette. A buck came by, he parked the butt, shot the deer, then finished his smoke. Wind direction is key, all else is bullsnot. ;-)
First let me begin with saying a mature buck four years in age let alone older is an entirely different animal as compared to any other younger buck. So strongly do I believe that a mature buck differs so greatly in his habits and behaviors I have often said they deserve to be regarded as a subspecies of deer. If you hunt pressured deer herds and trust me deer on small tracts of private land (I'm speaking of under 20-40 acres of actual habitat)in areas of heavy hunting pressure that I hunt don't get much better odds than public ground bucks and mature 4 year and older bucks are what you seek you need to have your scent control down absolutely stone cold Having said all that, I am among the desenters when it comes to activated charcoal suits. I not only believe they work I know they work. All those who say they do not, are the same a I am, 100% fully entitled to their beliefs and opinions and I absolutely respect that right. I will not attempt to change your opinions and please do not try to change mine. I will not get into a long drawn out debate with anyone of your counter arguments requiring I make a counter argument of my own. Let us as they say agree to disagree. Here are my experienced based beliefs on using activated charcoal suits to reduce your scent to the point a mature buck will not smell you strongly enough to flee before giving you a shot. If you use activated charcoal suits exactly as directed complete with Head/mouth covering and keep all other items you take with you hunting trips also scent free activated charcoal suits will work. I know they do because I've seen them work to many times not to.
The single biggest achilles heal with activated charcoal suits and or under garments IF you use them as directed and keep their exterior contamination free of scents, are NOT with the suits themselves, rather its with what you bring with while you hunt that gets you winded. If you bring with you bow hunting a pack that has spent the last few hours let alone days after being de-scented not in an air tight storage tote and sitting out getting contaminated by an endless number of scents and if you handle this same pack with your bare hands and then take it with you no amount of activated charcoal clothing is going to stop you from getting scented by any deer let alone by a mature buck 4 years old or older. I bring as little equipment as I can with me while bow hunting and what I do bring I go to great lengths to see its made from any material other than fabric and all equipment I do bring spends several week long periods out of doors getting de-scented prior to use. I wear only rubber boots I buy at least 4 months to air them out prior to use. Same go's for my packs. In short activated charcoal suits can not eliminate the odors on the pack you bring with that spent the last few hours let alone days or weeks picking up contaminating odors from your vehicle, home or garage. Same rules apply to all other items you bring with. If they are not scent free the scent they carry and not you but will get you winded by the deer. Yes I realize it means several of anything that could carry scent into the woods with you, but I am here to tell you if you do your part activated charcoal suits will do their part. No one reading this need believe me and you can say I am 100% absolutely wrong and that is 100% absolutely fine with me. I am in no way whatsoever trying to change anyone's opinion of activated charcoal suits, I am simply sharing my beliefs and nothing more. There is one thing we hunters can ALL agree on though. And that is the fact the wind is a complicated thing with many many different factors affecting it an any given time on any given day and rarely if ever consistently blows in one direction for hours on end let alone all day long and how it affects spreading our scent is affected by a large number of factors the vast majority of which are out of our control. Factors like temperature, humidity all types of land features, like trees and topography like hills and valleys and thermals in the morning and evening thermals also have a significant affect on how wind behaves and carries our scent. I look at at like this. If I can use activated charcoal suits to reduce my scent to the point I won't get winded I will do so. I really have nothing to loose by doing so other than some of my cabela's points.
I respect you opinions on activated charcoal suits and ask you do the same for mine.