Nice quality vid of a Utah muley hunt posted a couple of days ago. I could not have done this, but the hunter makes a 94/95 yard shot. He didn't get good penetration but it worked. Go full screen to see the better details.
That was super, super cool. I'm super excited for him.
Ok. I'm going to be honest. The guy seems like a cool dude. He made a dandy shot. I found the video a bit off though. I did not need the dramatic music and slow motion portrayal of the hunt. He's on a private ranch for Pete's sake. No need Implying it was some kind of epic battle being fought getting to and killing that deer. And, I certainty didn't need all the butt shots and wedgies the camera person repeatedly made a point to capture
^Concur about the butt shots....Brokeback Mt Outfitters. Could be his wife was the vid cam gal? Humor aside....to make shots like that takes the right equipment and alot of practice. Hats off to folks who have the skill to do that.
he must be capable of making this all the time. he said on shots like that he always holds 1 yard low. it was no fluke. they guy has mastered his game and has options due to his skill that most of us never will.
Watched the video not impressed. He had sight issues and got terrible penetration. This was probably due to him hitting it in the shoulder. He had to throw in the 82lb comment. He stated his first shot was lethal then he puts another arrow in him.
"Why do bowhunters need such long seasons if they can kill animals at 100 yards?" Says every rifle hunter (and Game and Fish decision-maker) restricted to a 5-9 day season.
I’ll admit it. I wasn’t planning on watching until wv mentioned butt shots and wedgies. I clicked on it hoping to see some yoga pants, not some goobers butt. Disappointing.
No reason to take a shot like that but nobody can know if it was lucky or not lucky without knowing how what his success rate is.
A nfl kicker who makes 3 of 20 field goals over 50 may be considered lucky when he hits his fourth on his 21st try. Another guy who hit 17 of 20 would not be called lucky to makes his 18th on his 21st try. His past would have set up the expectation that he would be successful on the next try. It is all about context and sample size.
If something is consistently and predictably done it is not luck. We have no idea how consistently this guy does this.
Still not a good shot to take on a living thing but maybe he is proficient at ranges others can only dream of.
Grubby, I have never laid eyes on his wife. But, I most certainly enjoy butt shots of good looking women. So, I can't say that I disagree with you on that one single bit. :^)
Jaquomo understands the ramifications. Now throw the even more powerful scoped crossbow in the archery season mix in many states.. and one can only guess where we may be headed.
it’s certainly not luck,I’ve never seen a video on bowsite of a circa 100 yd shot that wasn’t successful.Taking a yard off to allow for string jump is next level
Glad he killed that buck. But I thought. And one of the reasons I started bow hunting was to see how close I could get to take big game. Hundred yard shot should not be attempted. To much cage wrong and the loss of the animal. You want to make those shots pick up a rifle.
"he must be capable of making this all the time. he said on shots like that he always holds 1 yard low. it was no fluke. they guy has mastered his game and has options due to his skill that most of us never will".
He might have some skills with his shooting but not a very skilled BOW hunter if he can't get a lot closer. "Pathetic" sums it up.
75+ yards or meters shot should be taken only in archery competitions at unmovable targets. 94/95 yards shot was a poor decision dictated by lack of common sense, humbleness, respect for life. Unfortunately the ethic component in hunting is not strong with this "hunter". The entire video reeks of entitlement, showoff, and total disrespect towards the entire hunting community.
This guy was lucky. The arrow penetrated like 3", then he was able to watch it run away because of the country he was in. I would rather of seen him stalk closer and blow it than watch a long distance shot, just because he doesn't know how to get close.
deerslayer, Wyoming has been extremely liberal on what is, or is not, legal equipment during archery season. Earlier this year, the G&F dep’t recommended to the game commission that crossbows should no longer be allowed during archery season. Their justification was that crossbows “are capable of making 100yd shots.” The commission declined to act on the recommendation at this time.
So yes, those in position to make changes are beginning to pay attention.
I watched a video of this couple hunting in Africa. She shot a Waterbuck at 53 yards and he shot a Cape Buffalo at 47 yards and then proceeded to empty his quiver on it at 60 yards.
I don`t know of a PH that would even allow those shots. Every one thinks they are going to be the next "Lee and Tiffany".
I’ve known Josh for quite a few years. I’m not condoning this shot in any way but he puts more time into shooting his bow than anyone I’ve ever met. He builds and rebuilds his arrows until everything is perfect. He practices longer shots on a daily basis. He is good friends with Tim Wells who is a pretty good shot as well. His wife Sarah is also a great shot and could probably bench press more than most dudes on here, lol. He told me years ago that his goal was to be able to get paid to hunt. His wife and him were both marketing majors in college I believe and they have marketed themselves through social media so well that they make a fortune and are able to do pretty much whatever they want. Him and his wife are both very nice and do a lot for others. No matter what he will always have haters but that just drives him to keep going. He really is a good dude.
The word haters is not apropos here. Just because you disagree with 100 yard shots does not make you a hater. Neither does it make you jealous. It simply means that you disapprove of the methods and are aware that too many things can happen between the human brain’s signal to release the arrow and the actual impact of same. Yes, it’s a helluva shot, but one that could have produced very different results that would never have made it to YouTube.
" I’m not condoning this shot in any way but he puts more time into shooting his bow than anyone I’ve ever met. He builds and rebuilds his arrows until everything is perfect. He practices longer shots on a daily basis. He is good friends with Tim Wells who is a pretty good shot as well."
Based on some of his explanations, I suspected he practices and is proficient at longer ranges. Yes...much like Tim Wells.
I posted this recently, but hey, here we go again....
Just as a frame of reference....
This is a 65 or 70 yard shot with one of my stickbows (NFAA marked course, so no guessing, just don’t remember exactly).
Listen for the hang time and think about how far a deer can move in that amount of time. Even if it hadn’t decided to until after the shot was on its way.
Figure his bow is 50% faster than mine and less than 50% longer range. So hang time is in the same ballpark.
I would not call it an ethical shot. But this also is not Midwest whitetail hunting either. It is fairly common out there to take a 50 yard shot. Mulies act far differently than whitetails. That being said, 95 Is way to far to shoot at a living animal. Do people take those shot, Yes. Be it with compound or crossbow there are unethical people out there. The problem with crossbow forums is that the bench targets shooters intermix with bowhunters. Some do not understand the difference between hitting paper and hitting a deer at those long distances.
"Still not a good shot to take on a living thing but maybe he is proficient at ranges others can only dream of." No one gives a shit how "proficient" he is with his bow at 100 yards. We care about how "proficient" the live animal is when being shot at, at 95 yards.
Lots of super issues with whats going on in this video. I'm sure he bought a rangefinder sight off ebay before he packed the deer out. This is what we're facing... and it WILL get worse.... Ed F
I’ve said it for many years, why bowhunt if you feel the need to shoot that far? Just hunt with a rifle. I dislike the 800-1000 yd shots with a rifle as well.
I just wish people would publicly celebrate getting within spitting distance, rather than try to draw attention to a "Hail Mary", that happened to work out!
Everyone has different abilities and is comfortable taking shots at different distances. That's your business.. However, why post it for the world to see all it is doing is providing ammunition for anti's and G&F decision makers to use against us. He could have very well posted a pic with him and his harvested buck, but instead has to show the world what a marginal shot he took, successful or not.
"He told me years ago that his goal was to be able to get paid to hunt. His wife and him were both marketing majors in college I believe and they have marketed themselves through social media"
Awesome!! So bowhunting is reduced to "likes" and those that follow social media influencers. Just more from the "look at me" generation. Not sure what disgusts me more, the narcissistic social media influencer pimps, or the cult like followers.
Went to his YouTube channel. Plenty of comments, he deletes the negative ones. Part of his justification is that animals are wounded at any distance so.... And while there is truth in that, I would suspect the chance of wounding an animal at distance rises exponentially as distance increases. Doesn't matter how perfect your arrows are, how much paper you punch, there are variables that are beyond are control, errant wind, unseen obstruction.....Yeah, all those things can happen at 50 yards as well. They just get magnified the further out you go. Like Ian Malcolm said in the movie Jurassic Park. "You were so occupied thinking if you could, and not thinking about if you should." When videos like these are used to support the shortening of archery seasons, future generations will thank you and your "social media influencing" as will past generations that fought hard for the longer seasons.
Long range shots are taken out of desperation, and if they work, to post on social media and gave his friends say what a cool dude he is!! It's all about the need to get attention and killing something, not about hunting. This type of thing has sprung up all over Facebook. 70, 80 and 90 yards shots, with pictures and smiles and guts commenting what he great hunter and bow shot he is...ummm
I have to be honest. This video makes me uneasy. I don't like the whole thing. He got frantic, almost buck fevered when his sight froze up. Just to me seems the whole thing is just drama.
I don’t have a problem with his 95 yard shot but I do take exception to this comment “that’s why I shoot a big cut sevr, it’s for shots like this with marginal hits”. I am about to try a few sevr in the 1.5 so that’s not the issue but stating you want a 2” plus cut for marginal and shoulder hits..... maybe had he used a smaller cut for his marginal hits he would have gotten better penetration. SMH
^Scoot....contrary to what you "think" you know or want to believe, I posted the vid because in my view it was a good muley video showing a successful hunt. As the title said, I thought it was a heck of a shot....nothing more than that. Just because one doesn't like it or how he did it doesn't mean others won't find it interesting. It's posted with the same intent as the elk video I posted a couple of weeks ago. Are we now to the point here where folks can't like, talk about or show hunts with shots over say 50 or 60 yards....or maybe hunts using 40-45lb draw weight.....or maybe hunts using mechanicals.....or maybe hunts with e-bikes...or maybe hunts over bait or bait plots, etc?? I hope we are not at that point where certain hunting topics/vids are not allowed to be shown, discussed or enjoyed because someone else's selective outrage chip kicks in and they don't agree with it.
At the point where his sight is "frozen", he should have quit. He had to use Crazy Glue to fix a problem with the sight the night before and it glued the slider. With all the torquing he was doing it could easily have been put out of wack. Doesn't take much misalignment to be off a foot at that range.
Go back to camp, fix the sight, shoot it in to verify, then go back to hunting. The deer were not pressured and another opportunity would have come up.
Ambush, That would not been acceptable to someone who "Had to have widey". Just unacceptable, he was obsessed and frantically had to have that deer. That is what makes me dislike this whole video. It's not about the hunt, its about the rack on the wall. While there is nothing bad about a rack on the wall, to me, it represents and reminds me of a quality hunt. To me at least, this was anything but a quality hunt. It was a meager stalk and hail mary. He could have belly crawled up to within 40 - 500 yds of those deer in that sage and waited until they were not paying attention, then slowly rise to take a 'sure' shot. This to me was not what bowhunting is intended for. Even if he is a 'good guy'.
"I hope we are not at that point where certain hunting topics/vids are not allowed to be shown, discussed or enjoyed because someone else's selective outrage chip kicks in and they don't agree with it."
It IS being discussed. The fact that everyone is not posting with orgasmatic glee seems to be your issue. Seems as long as it's fan boy cult worship it's all good. Any criticism, well, haters gonna hate. Right? Wrong. As I stated when bowhunting is reduced to "likes" and "follows" on social media someone has lost what being a bowhunter is. And being a bowhunter is different things to different people, but I'm pretty sure "Likes" and "follows" isn't (or shouldn't) be one of them.
I agree with ambush, after putting that much pressure on the sight I wouldn’t trust things are good to go for a long shot especially. It is a hell of a shot that I am not capable of making myself. But pretty risky even for Wells. Glad it worked out for the deers sake
I think 90% here are in agreement, not much more to be said. But that's because most here are of the mindset that we'd be embarrassed about taking that long a shot because we pride ourselves in getting close. The video-maker sees it as a bragging point and puts it in the title of the video. So right away we're at odds. It just goes from there.
It's kind of like bragging about your tracking skills after you shoot animals in the guts. Make a video titled "3 MILE gut shot TRACK JOB!!"
Bow....I was responding to Scoot's false assumption. WRT to that guy in the vid...I don't know him nor the guy in the elk vid I posted. I agree folks will view things based on how they do it or know it....and if they choose to discuss it either way, that's fine. My view is when you complain about someone else's ways because "it's not the way I do it"...that becomes a slippery slope, especially for hunting in general.
That raises the question....what's worse for hunting...the person who hunts a certain way (long shots, mechanicals, e-bikes, bait plots, etc) or the other hunters who dislikes how that hunter does it? Hunters can be their own worst enemy....especially on social media.
I don't know too many folks who allow likes and dislikes to define what they do other than some folks are seeking attention for profit or maybe promotion.
"My view is when you complain about someone else's ways because "it's not the way I do it"
THAT is not the issue. I fully understand that western hunting may require longer shots. I get it. There come's a point where it's more pride and ego than it is the hunt.
"That raises the question....what's worse for hunting...the person who hunts a certain way (long shots, mechanicals, e-bikes, bait plots, etc) or the other hunters who dislikes how that hunter does it? Hunters can be their own worst enemy....especially on social media."
Let me know when my criticism is used before a state wildlife agency to discuss the possibility of shortening archery seasons. You know, like the vids from social media.
"I don't know too many folks who allow likes and dislikes to define what they do other than some folks are seeking attention for profit or maybe promotion."
Really? No, Really? You just described the hunter in the video to a tee.
“Let me know when my criticism is used before a state wildlife agency to discuss the possibility of shortening archery seasons. ”
Exactly. Either we police ourselves or someone will do it for us.... with the full support of the Rifle-only hunters who are tired of finding pressured animals and rotting carcasses in the woods. Not saying it’s necessarily fair or rational, but a Rifleman who has better luck finding lost bow-kills than live Elk is only a season or two from becoming an Anti-Bowhunter.
It’s not an issue “at home” for most people, whose areas are overloaded with whitetails - and where shots over 50 are rarely an issue - but you get out West and it’s a whole different question.
AMEN Ambush! I was thinking the same thing........................................AND the deer were alerted and looking right at him. He got lucky.........................................
What I was laying out was a broad view and not targeting you. If you took it that way....sorry about that. As I said earlier, I don't know the guy other than the other vids I see he and his wife did when I went looking. He has some other hunting vids with short and long shots so I'm thinking he does have some archery skill. I can't speak about him personally so I won't say anything negative about him. Last night I did try to ask a question and post a link to a lawsuit he and his wife filed in March against the Dept of Fish/Wildlife and Dept of Interior. It either didn't post right or got deleted so I let it go.
It looks like they have several businesses with hunting shows/vids maybe being one? If that being the case....ya, I guess they do want the "like" votes on the vids to promote them. That's what other "celeb" hunters and websites seek....they want the clicks. If folks don't like how he or anyone else hunts, that's fine but we have to be careful because it can boomerang and come back at ya (us). Anyway....I thought it was a good vid and figured I'd post it up.
“but we have to be careful because it can boomerang and come back at ya (us). Anyway....I thought it was a good vid and figured I'd post it up.”
Maybe next time think about how publicizing 95-yard bow shots can come back at ALL of us and ask yourself if you want to play a part in increasing the exposure/revenue stream for people who engage in this sort of thing.
JMO, anyone who wants to make a career out of their marksmanship should be on the ARCHERY pro-tour or should work the outdoors expos as a trick-shot artist. And more power to ‘em.
This guy obviously doesn’t have the chops for either, and he’s gambling with other people’s money...
95 yard shots aside...I haven’t heard of any compound kill on mule deer under 55 yards this year...not one. So guys quit giving someone with more skill than you so much trouble when you aren’t even getting within what used to be out of bow range 30 years ago. Pick up a stickbow and quit wining it’ll show you how hard mule deer are to hunt inside 30 yards.
Michael, I shot a mule deer, young doe, at 30 yards with my compound this year. I proudly posted it on the Colorado meat pole thread. Here she is again. Double lung, complete pass through, with a sharp cut on contact solid broadhead. Also, a compound from 2008.
JTV if you would like to send him an email to tell him that he can be reached at [email protected].
Above you have called him a turd, a clownboy, an asswipe, an ass (not to be confused with an asswipe), ignorant, a jackass ( again not analogous to asswipe, but could be synonymous with ass), and a son of a bitch.
Send him a note and tell him how thoroughly you have assessed his character from a single video on the internet.
Bou'bound, you forgot 'jackass'. After reading a plethora of negative name calling posts from JTV over on the LW and here, I am quite certain he is all of the above.
Well planned stalk, great shot, well executed start to finish. Would there be the same negative comments had the shot been at 50 yards, 60 yards, 70 yards....? Give him a max yardage that he should use to make you happy.
It's all relative?...right? Or not?... Back when I started, a fiberglass recurve was pushing the sport. Then someone put wheels on the end which pushed the limits so much further. Now some of us go back to natural wood long bows and arrows while some continue to push the limits that technology and focused training can offer,...like pushing "ethical" shot distances. Go for it.
'Give him a max yardage that he should use to make you happy.' 50 yds for me. Anything farther is a crap shoot. Tonybear61 said it best, or quoted someone who said it best, one of the 'brothers'.
Bowbender, Where did I say I condoned the shot? Just sharing a little info about the guy. Never seen a single one of his hunting shows just heard his podcast with Aron Snyder and that was the first time I'd heard of him.
Didn't say you condoned his shot. But by posting his "resume", it seems to imply he should be given a pass on what most here see as a blatantly poor choice of a shot and a selfish act.
There's a ton of good stuff on Youtube. This ain't it.
Up until the time this guy speared the bear, a ton of anti's were always screaming " . . . well if hunters are so tough, why don't they go after bears with spears like real men did, before guns!?!?!" So he did. But big surprise, that's not really what the anti's wanted either.
It sure did create a poop hurricane amongst hunters in Alberta too.
I think the idea that someone needs the approval of the majority of bowsite members is flawed. I doubt he truly cares. He’s paying his bills. And, until the majority of bowsite does, it isn’t relevant to him.
As far as Nick posting the guys “resume”, he did so to put things in perspective for JTV.
WV..... If he doesn’t care what other bowhunters think.... Then he should..... If he only cares about himself..... Then don’t record your hunts for all to see....
If he doesn’t consider the image of what he does.... that is a mistake that can only hurt bowhunting.....
Will you support him when he pushes his shots on animals to 120 yards ?? How about 150 ???
BB, read what I said. Absorb it. And, don't change my words to make your point. I'll help you out a little since you seem confused. I don't advocate for him or anyone else. Or, the shots they do or don't take. And, the last time I checked, he didn't post that video on bowsite. He posted it on you tube.
And this is why I lost my interest in archery with a compound. I guess this is what is cool now. Just makes me sad to see what it has come to. Now, skill isn't defined by woodsmanship, stalking skills, etc. it now comes down to whom can make the longest shot.
“Who’s gonna be the one to come at Bill from Iron Will for his 99yd shot at the goat?”
Well, I sure as hell won’t congratulate him on it. And I’d think him for not publicizing it. But hey... maybe I’ll get lucky and CDOW will just impose stricter equipment restrictions instead of reducing OTC tag numbers....
We have a live thread right now where a guy had a shot go to hell when the animal moved at 43. 45 yards is not crazy, but the Hang Time can kill you anyway...
Lots more to killing big animals than being able to hit inanimate targets.
What a buck! Great shot and great video. That was a long shot but with practice I think it is achievable. Tim wells shoots instinctive at those distances
90 yrd bow kill. Put down the bow and get a smoke pole. You obviously don't appreciate or understand the skill of " Bowhunting". You've shown disrespect to the animal for the chance of youtube stardom. Shame on you arrow flinger.Smell the animal before releasing the arrow, it's so much more gratifying and a much bigger accomplishment imo.
If he wounded that animal... that video would not have made to YT.
Everyone cheering it was a great shot, and who bow hunt, actually know the variables. There is a great deal of luck involved at that range and is less required at closer range.
I’m glad he killed and made the shot, but don’t buy into the hype, get as close as you can.
We already have enough people who hate us! If we turn on our own we will loose. I understand all sides of the argument but a legal hunt is a legal hunt! It doesn’t matter if you are running dogs in Arkansas or dropping long bombs on the Kansas flats. Just because it’s not how you would have done it doesn’t make it wrong. Congratulations to him oh bringing meat home!
I'd bet for every one happy accident 100 yds shot, there are at least 10 misses or wound accidents with lost animals. That shot should never be taken unless you are hopelessly lost in the wilderness and need to survive.
“ We already have enough people who hate us!If we turn on our own we will loose. I understand all sides of the argument but a legal hunt is a legal hunt!”
Right up until it’s ILLEGAL because you can’t get a tag because the wildlife managers can no longer justify a separate season for archery.
“We already have enough people who hate us!“
True enough. No sense adding Rifle-only hunters to the list, is there?
Seems to me that this guy has a fan club composed of people who have neither the skills to get any closer than he did, nor the judgment to realize it when they are watching the highlight reel from a trick-shot artist. Too bad it wasn’t someone like Dwight Schuh presented with that opportunity. Now, THAT would have been a hunt worth watching.
"Who’s gonna be the one to come at Bill from Iron Will for his 99yd shot at the goat?"
yooper get your facts straight - that 99 yard shot was a follow up shot to an already mortally hit goat. Follow up shots are a completely different deal. I can't believe guys will make claims about other people on the internet where thousands of people read it. Seriously!!!!
It would be interesting if someone could setup some sort of high tech situation that would mimic every single aspect of this hunt, kind of like a flight simulation. Broken sight, deer on high alert looking directly in the direction of the hunter, and even better if 100 different wild mule deer reactions could be replicated so it rotates through each of them. Let that guy go through the simulation 100 times and see how many lethal shots he gets at 95 yards.
If anyone gets tired of tossing stones here head on over to Monster Muleys and blast the guy who missed a huge muley with his muzzleloader at 600 yards but ended up killing him at 270 yards with a lucky shot.
Huntkifishcook, that kind of simulation could be replicated on a computer, just input all the situations. Someone with programming expertise could do it.
I disagree Grant. While taking a 95 yard shot at game with a bow certainly is not illegal...... We can and should police ourselves through peer pressure. If he didn’t care what other hunters thought.... He wouldn’t be filming himself and posting his hunts for all to see.
Peer pressure here or on You Tube or on his website may or may not change his behavior.....
But it just might stop other hunters from trying to copy him.....
Beautiful deer! Think it’s phenomenal practice to shoot at those ranges, as I do it every session. Feel confident I can hit within a 6” pie at 100 yards assuming calm winds. Would I ever attempt a shot like that on a wild animal, HELL NO!!! We owe them more!
Bowmar Bowhunting 1 day ago 6 inch group at a 100, sounds like you suck haha I wouldn’t shoot that far either if i shot that bad. You go and enjoy your opinion soup, and I’ll enjoy the many animals I’ve killed at this distance and further. You should practice more
Bow and arrow hunting was intended to be short range game. Why do so many hunters embrace every advantage in arrow speed and distance capability? Have the original archery limitations not been extended by all who participated in these tech advancements? What are the guidelines now that we have scoped shoulder fired weapons in many of the archery seasons? I think there is plenty of guilt to go around in this state of events.
I know a guy who pretty much only hunts with a bow because of the "challenge". He also regularly shoots [at] animals that cause his arrows to fly with a rainbow arc, even though the arrow's "muzzle velocity" is somewhere in the 290 range.
Simply put, he is a show boat worried about making, in what he believes, himself look good in the eyes of others. Such a loser...
WTF dude(s)..... Don't drag the same sh!t into this thread that got the CF shut down. Take it off line, PM's text's or whatever. Just not here. JTV and GF, your last posts have ZERO to do with this thread.
Technology has extended the effective range for archery kills, that is a fact. With the advancements in compound bows, scoped compound crossbows, sight aids, releases, range finders, etc,.... how far should archers be shooting at animals. And, should game managers be concerned with higher success rates during archery seasons? This thread seems to be rambling, with few facts and little common sense.
“And to answer the above posting, why would this shot limit the length of the season?”
That depends where you are. If you live in and in a state which is packed to the rafters with white tails and your game department is desperate to get rid of them, then the answer is “nothing at all”.
On the other hand....
If you live where the Archery season was created as an either-or alternative to Rifle season and the natural limitations of the weaponry were expected to A) keep participation low and B) keep the harvest so low as to be negligible, even given OTC either-sex tags, it’s a serious concern.
Why is Archery season 4 weeks vs 4 days? Limited technology. Why does Archery season encompass the Elk rut? Limited technology. Why do Rifle season hunters continue to be OK with a 4-week long season offering either-sex tags during the rut to huge numbers of hunters using weapons capable of reaching out to 60 or 80 or 100 yards or more?
Damn good question. Muzzleloader season is a whole lot shorter and has always been a lottery, even when most hunters were shooting roundball or pure lead conicals. Why? Because 80-100-yard weapons.
Colorado is now considering cutting back on Archery tags due to the amount of hunting pressure that has resulted from making compounds easier to use at longer and longer range.
Might not be a problem where you are, but it’s a REAL issue.
Yes, point creep, limited draws, quota seasons, etc are very real and already happening. Too many here have the generally over populated and prolific, eastern whitetail deer mentality.
