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Heck Of A Shot!
Mule Deer
Contributors to this thread:
JL 06-Oct-19
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Shug 06-Oct-19
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From: JL
06-Oct-19
Nice quality vid of a Utah muley hunt posted a couple of days ago. I could not have done this, but the hunter makes a 94/95 yard shot. He didn't get good penetration but it worked. Go full screen to see the better details.

From: t-roy
06-Oct-19
Here we go again!

06-Oct-19
That was super, super cool. I'm super excited for him.

Ok. I'm going to be honest. The guy seems like a cool dude. He made a dandy shot. I found the video a bit off though. I did not need the dramatic music and slow motion portrayal of the hunt. He's on a private ranch for Pete's sake. No need Implying it was some kind of epic battle being fought getting to and killing that deer. And, I certainty didn't need all the butt shots and wedgies the camera person repeatedly made a point to capture

From: JL
06-Oct-19
^Concur about the butt shots....Brokeback Mt Outfitters. Could be his wife was the vid cam gal? Humor aside....to make shots like that takes the right equipment and alot of practice. Hats off to folks who have the skill to do that.

From: Franklin
06-Oct-19
These people are all over YouTube with their hunting videos....your typical "professional" celebrity hunters. Pathetic IMO.

From: Shug
06-Oct-19
Honestly .... a 9 yard shot is cooler than a 90 yarder imho

From: pav
06-Oct-19
Shug - "Honesty... a 9 yard shot is cooler than a 90 yarder imho"

X2! Mature buck at 9 yards = adrenline rush!

From: ELKMAN
06-Oct-19
X3 with shug

From: Grubby
06-Oct-19
He did the same thing last year. No one would be complaining about the butt shots if his wife was the shooter.

06-Oct-19
X4 shug

From: Bou'bound
06-Oct-19
he must be capable of making this all the time. he said on shots like that he always holds 1 yard low. it was no fluke. they guy has mastered his game and has options due to his skill that most of us never will.

From: Jethro
06-Oct-19
I'm w/Shug too.

"They're going to be really close, like within 100 yards." I just can't relate to that thinking. But it worked, so who am I to second guess.

From: Fields
06-Oct-19
im passing.....

From: lamb
06-Oct-19
I wondered how many wounded by this '' bowhunter'' throughout his long shot career x5 for shug you only here about the ones he's killed bou really???

06-Oct-19
How about 8 yards with a recurve? ;)

06-Oct-19
How about 5 yards with a crossbow? Getting THAT close carrying a boat anchor?

From: Bowboy
06-Oct-19
Watched the video not impressed. He had sight issues and got terrible penetration. This was probably due to him hitting it in the shoulder. He had to throw in the 82lb comment. He stated his first shot was lethal then he puts another arrow in him.

From: Slate
06-Oct-19
You mention music in a deer hunt video. Not for me. Enough said.

From: Jaquomo
06-Oct-19
"Why do bowhunters need such long seasons if they can kill animals at 100 yards?" Says every rifle hunter (and Game and Fish decision-maker) restricted to a 5-9 day season.

From: Ucsdryder
06-Oct-19
I’ll admit it. I wasn’t planning on watching until wv mentioned butt shots and wedgies. I clicked on it hoping to see some yoga pants, not some goobers butt. Disappointing.

From: JTV
06-Oct-19
This dosnt impress me one bit, now if he stalked and got to under 20yds and killed it, THAT would impress me

06-Oct-19
“Pathetic IMO” pretty much sums up my opinion as well.

I’m impressed by how close a bow shot is, not how far someone launches a “Hail Mary” and gets lucky.

From: Rgiesey
06-Oct-19
Lou is exactly right. The video is the problem as it becomes documentation for game departments. Good shot.

From: Bou'bound
06-Oct-19
No reason to take a shot like that but nobody can know if it was lucky or not lucky without knowing how what his success rate is.

A nfl kicker who makes 3 of 20 field goals over 50 may be considered lucky when he hits his fourth on his 21st try. Another guy who hit 17 of 20 would not be called lucky to makes his 18th on his 21st try. His past would have set up the expectation that he would be successful on the next try. It is all about context and sample size.

If something is consistently and predictably done it is not luck. We have no idea how consistently this guy does this.

Still not a good shot to take on a living thing but maybe he is proficient at ranges others can only dream of.

From: Bowmania
06-Oct-19
Those shots shorten our seasons.

Bowmania

06-Oct-19
“but nobody can say it was lucky...”

Well, actually....I did say it.

06-Oct-19
Grubby, I have never laid eyes on his wife. But, I most certainly enjoy butt shots of good looking women. So, I can't say that I disagree with you on that one single bit. :^)

06-Oct-19
Jaquomo understands the ramifications. Now throw the even more powerful scoped crossbow in the archery season mix in many states.. and one can only guess where we may be headed.

From: Genesis
06-Oct-19
it’s certainly not luck,I’ve never seen a video on bowsite of a circa 100 yd shot that wasn’t successful.Taking a yard off to allow for string jump is next level

06-Oct-19
I just put the power of the internet to work. Seems this is the guy that killed the bear with a spear and got dropped by UA. Epic.

06-Oct-19
Always be fans making noise who are incapable :-)

From: LBshooter
06-Oct-19
Glad he killed that buck. But I thought. And one of the reasons I started bow hunting was to see how close I could get to take big game. Hundred yard shot should not be attempted. To much cage wrong and the loss of the animal. You want to make those shots pick up a rifle.

From: RickH
06-Oct-19
"he must be capable of making this all the time. he said on shots like that he always holds 1 yard low. it was no fluke. they guy has mastered his game and has options due to his skill that most of us never will".

He might have some skills with his shooting but not a very skilled BOW hunter if he can't get a lot closer. "Pathetic" sums it up.

06-Oct-19
Just curious though, where should the line be drawn, and does it vary by species? For me, it is around 25 yards on most species with my selfbow.

06-Oct-19
This is a horrible decision.. worked out but the repercussions can be lasting.. disgusting

From: Brianc1986
06-Oct-19
Under armor dropped them due to poor hunting decisions.

From: Snag
06-Oct-19
“Honesty... a 9 yard shot is cooler than a 90 yarder imho”......exactly. Much more skill to sneak in on a mature buck then to take a long range shot.

From: SixLomaz
06-Oct-19
75+ yards or meters shot should be taken only in archery competitions at unmovable targets. 94/95 yards shot was a poor decision dictated by lack of common sense, humbleness, respect for life. Unfortunately the ethic component in hunting is not strong with this "hunter". The entire video reeks of entitlement, showoff, and total disrespect towards the entire hunting community.

From: deerslayer
06-Oct-19
Other than speculative reasoning does anyone have verifiable proof of a shortened archery season due to long shots?

From: 2 Points
06-Oct-19
This guy was lucky. The arrow penetrated like 3", then he was able to watch it run away because of the country he was in. I would rather of seen him stalk closer and blow it than watch a long distance shot, just because he doesn't know how to get close.

From: greg simon
06-Oct-19
“My site is f’ed up so I’m going to cut loose a crazy long shot” Things that make you say hmmmm!

That final slow mo wedgie shot really capped off the experience:/

06-Oct-19
deerslayer, Wyoming has been extremely liberal on what is, or is not, legal equipment during archery season. Earlier this year, the G&F dep’t recommended to the game commission that crossbows should no longer be allowed during archery season. Their justification was that crossbows “are capable of making 100yd shots.” The commission declined to act on the recommendation at this time.

So yes, those in position to make changes are beginning to pay attention.

From: Franklin
06-Oct-19
I watched a video of this couple hunting in Africa. She shot a Waterbuck at 53 yards and he shot a Cape Buffalo at 47 yards and then proceeded to empty his quiver on it at 60 yards.

I don`t know of a PH that would even allow those shots. Every one thinks they are going to be the next "Lee and Tiffany".

From: Sean D.
06-Oct-19
I’ve known Josh for quite a few years. I’m not condoning this shot in any way but he puts more time into shooting his bow than anyone I’ve ever met. He builds and rebuilds his arrows until everything is perfect. He practices longer shots on a daily basis. He is good friends with Tim Wells who is a pretty good shot as well. His wife Sarah is also a great shot and could probably bench press more than most dudes on here, lol. He told me years ago that his goal was to be able to get paid to hunt. His wife and him were both marketing majors in college I believe and they have marketed themselves through social media so well that they make a fortune and are able to do pretty much whatever they want. Him and his wife are both very nice and do a lot for others. No matter what he will always have haters but that just drives him to keep going. He really is a good dude.

From: 320 bull
06-Oct-19
I dislike so much about the video that I can't even start to put it into words.

From: Grunter
06-Oct-19
I wont even watch the video. If you're taking a 90 yard shot, you are NOT a bowhunter. Have people forgot what bowhunting is about?

From: drycreek
06-Oct-19
The word haters is not apropos here. Just because you disagree with 100 yard shots does not make you a hater. Neither does it make you jealous. It simply means that you disapprove of the methods and are aware that too many things can happen between the human brain’s signal to release the arrow and the actual impact of same. Yes, it’s a helluva shot, but one that could have produced very different results that would never have made it to YouTube.

From: YZF-88
06-Oct-19
Nice thing about being that far away from the animal is you can mess with your jacked up sight and the game won’t have a clue what’s going on.

From: HDE
06-Oct-19
Think he would've made the shot at a little two point? Of course not!

It's all about the inches, that's it and that's all...

From: GF
06-Oct-19
Everybody’s a hero when they get to the-take the shot as many times as it takes.

You guys crack me up.

From: JL
06-Oct-19
" I’m not condoning this shot in any way but he puts more time into shooting his bow than anyone I’ve ever met. He builds and rebuilds his arrows until everything is perfect. He practices longer shots on a daily basis. He is good friends with Tim Wells who is a pretty good shot as well."

Based on some of his explanations, I suspected he practices and is proficient at longer ranges. Yes...much like Tim Wells.

From: GF
06-Oct-19

GF's Link
I posted this recently, but hey, here we go again....

Just as a frame of reference....

This is a 65 or 70 yard shot with one of my stickbows (NFAA marked course, so no guessing, just don’t remember exactly).

Listen for the hang time and think about how far a deer can move in that amount of time. Even if it hadn’t decided to until after the shot was on its way.

Figure his bow is 50% faster than mine and less than 50% longer range. So hang time is in the same ballpark.

From: JTV
06-Oct-19
"Good friends with Tim Wells" ... well there ya go ... cant stand Wells either ... BTW, just what type of asswipe takes a 47 yd shot on a Cape Buff with archery gear ??.... a ignorant one, thats who ... no, this clownboy dosnt impress me one bit ... HE is whats wrong with BOWhunting today ...

06-Oct-19
bowhunters shoot as close as possible...…...archers shoot for distance. I am a bowhunter. nice buck.. still fun to watch.

From: Grubby
06-Oct-19

Grubby's embedded Photo
Grubby's embedded Photo
Just for WV

From: APauls
06-Oct-19
C’mon guys he’s shooting a Hoyt. If he let that cannon crack at 30 yards deer would come unglued ;)

From: JL
06-Oct-19
^Is that his misses?

From: BOHNTR
06-Oct-19
“Always be fans making noise who are incapable :-)”

Has more to do with exactly what Lou was stating. Perhaps you should be more involved Instead of just for yourself, Joe. ??

From: Jake
06-Oct-19
I would not call it an ethical shot. But this also is not Midwest whitetail hunting either. It is fairly common out there to take a 50 yard shot. Mulies act far differently than whitetails. That being said, 95 Is way to far to shoot at a living animal. Do people take those shot, Yes. Be it with compound or crossbow there are unethical people out there. The problem with crossbow forums is that the bench targets shooters intermix with bowhunters. Some do not understand the difference between hitting paper and hitting a deer at those long distances.

From: PECO
06-Oct-19
"Still not a good shot to take on a living thing but maybe he is proficient at ranges others can only dream of." No one gives a shit how "proficient" he is with his bow at 100 yards. We care about how "proficient" the live animal is when being shot at, at 95 yards.

06-Oct-19

joehunter8301's embedded Photo
joehunter8301's embedded Photo
Roy. Nah I’m good :-)

From: BOWUNTR
06-Oct-19
Lots of super issues with whats going on in this video. I'm sure he bought a rangefinder sight off ebay before he packed the deer out. This is what we're facing... and it WILL get worse.... Ed F

From: JTV
06-Oct-19
no, just a clownboy ..... leave the long range crap with a bow on live critters to the rifle guys .....

From: SDHNTR(home)
06-Oct-19
Does anyone hunt anymore just cause it’s fun?

From: T Mac
06-Oct-19
Nice Muley congrats to the hunter.

From: BOHNTR
06-Oct-19
You don’t get it, Joe. That’s the unfortunate thing.

From: Highlife
06-Oct-19
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Let alone posting it on social media Imo

From: butcherboy
06-Oct-19
I’ve said it for many years, why bowhunt if you feel the need to shoot that far? Just hunt with a rifle. I dislike the 800-1000 yd shots with a rifle as well.

From: Bou'bound
06-Oct-19
At what distance should someone just hang up the bow and pick up a gun.

From: Dutch Oven
06-Oct-19
This joker would never be welcomed in my camp.

From: elkmtngear
06-Oct-19
Congrats to the hunter.

I just wish people would publicly celebrate getting within spitting distance, rather than try to draw attention to a "Hail Mary", that happened to work out!

06-Oct-19
Good shot nice buck.

From: COHOYTHUNTER
06-Oct-19
Dumb.... no reason to post that on social media. This is exactly the stuff used against bow hunting

From: BOHNTR
06-Oct-19
You don’t get it, Joe. That’s the unfortunate thing.

06-Oct-19
You 'da man Grubby. Her butt pic makes reading all this worth while

From: JTV
06-Oct-19
would he have posted his bad shots, bad hits, lost critters and brag about that distance ??

From: stealthycat
06-Oct-19
horrible hit/penetration .... for every deer killed with that shot/hit/penetration, IMO 10 are lost

or more

if he got the deer with that 1 shot only, he's very very lucky IMO

From: carcus
06-Oct-19
No different than shooting a moose with a 45 pound stickbow!

From: COHOYTHUNTER
06-Oct-19
Everyone has different abilities and is comfortable taking shots at different distances. That's your business.. However, why post it for the world to see all it is doing is providing ammunition for anti's and G&F decision makers to use against us. He could have very well posted a pic with him and his harvested buck, but instead has to show the world what a marginal shot he took, successful or not.

From: GF
06-Oct-19
“No different than shooting a moose with a 45 pound stickbow!”

BullSCHITT.

From: Bowbender
06-Oct-19
"He told me years ago that his goal was to be able to get paid to hunt. His wife and him were both marketing majors in college I believe and they have marketed themselves through social media"

Awesome!! So bowhunting is reduced to "likes" and those that follow social media influencers. Just more from the "look at me" generation. Not sure what disgusts me more, the narcissistic social media influencer pimps, or the cult like followers.

Went to his YouTube channel. Plenty of comments, he deletes the negative ones. Part of his justification is that animals are wounded at any distance so.... And while there is truth in that, I would suspect the chance of wounding an animal at distance rises exponentially as distance increases. Doesn't matter how perfect your arrows are, how much paper you punch, there are variables that are beyond are control, errant wind, unseen obstruction.....Yeah, all those things can happen at 50 yards as well. They just get magnified the further out you go. Like Ian Malcolm said in the movie Jurassic Park. "You were so occupied thinking if you could, and not thinking about if you should." When videos like these are used to support the shortening of archery seasons, future generations will thank you and your "social media influencing" as will past generations that fought hard for the longer seasons.

From: whipranger
06-Oct-19
If you have to shoot far your not a very good hunter just a shooter

From: Jake
06-Oct-19
whip, could not have said it better. Short and sweet.

From: Buglmin
06-Oct-19
Long range shots are taken out of desperation, and if they work, to post on social media and gave his friends say what a cool dude he is!! It's all about the need to get attention and killing something, not about hunting. This type of thing has sprung up all over Facebook. 70, 80 and 90 yards shots, with pictures and smiles and guts commenting what he great hunter and bow shot he is...ummm

06-Oct-19
One has to wonder what the longest "ethical" scoped crossbow shot should be. What is the future of archery seasons and culture????

From: GF
06-Oct-19
The Future is the Past, Grasshoppah.

Long live the Stick!!

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
I have to be honest. This video makes me uneasy. I don't like the whole thing. He got frantic, almost buck fevered when his sight froze up. Just to me seems the whole thing is just drama.

From: Scoot
07-Oct-19
Congrats to the OP! You got exactly what you hoped for out of this thread.

From: LINK
07-Oct-19
I don’t have a problem with his 95 yard shot but I do take exception to this comment “that’s why I shoot a big cut sevr, it’s for shots like this with marginal hits”. I am about to try a few sevr in the 1.5 so that’s not the issue but stating you want a 2” plus cut for marginal and shoulder hits..... maybe had he used a smaller cut for his marginal hits he would have gotten better penetration. SMH

From: JL
07-Oct-19
^Scoot....contrary to what you "think" you know or want to believe, I posted the vid because in my view it was a good muley video showing a successful hunt. As the title said, I thought it was a heck of a shot....nothing more than that. Just because one doesn't like it or how he did it doesn't mean others won't find it interesting. It's posted with the same intent as the elk video I posted a couple of weeks ago. Are we now to the point here where folks can't like, talk about or show hunts with shots over say 50 or 60 yards....or maybe hunts using 40-45lb draw weight.....or maybe hunts using mechanicals.....or maybe hunts with e-bikes...or maybe hunts over bait or bait plots, etc?? I hope we are not at that point where certain hunting topics/vids are not allowed to be shown, discussed or enjoyed because someone else's selective outrage chip kicks in and they don't agree with it.

From: Ambush
07-Oct-19
At the point where his sight is "frozen", he should have quit. He had to use Crazy Glue to fix a problem with the sight the night before and it glued the slider. With all the torquing he was doing it could easily have been put out of wack. Doesn't take much misalignment to be off a foot at that range.

Go back to camp, fix the sight, shoot it in to verify, then go back to hunting. The deer were not pressured and another opportunity would have come up.

From: APauls
07-Oct-19
I'm usually a "to each his own" but all the a$$ shots were way over the top. Frankly made me want to puke.

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
Ambush, That would not been acceptable to someone who "Had to have widey". Just unacceptable, he was obsessed and frantically had to have that deer. That is what makes me dislike this whole video. It's not about the hunt, its about the rack on the wall. While there is nothing bad about a rack on the wall, to me, it represents and reminds me of a quality hunt. To me at least, this was anything but a quality hunt. It was a meager stalk and hail mary. He could have belly crawled up to within 40 - 500 yds of those deer in that sage and waited until they were not paying attention, then slowly rise to take a 'sure' shot. This to me was not what bowhunting is intended for. Even if he is a 'good guy'.

From: Bowbender
07-Oct-19
JL

"I hope we are not at that point where certain hunting topics/vids are not allowed to be shown, discussed or enjoyed because someone else's selective outrage chip kicks in and they don't agree with it."

It IS being discussed. The fact that everyone is not posting with orgasmatic glee seems to be your issue. Seems as long as it's fan boy cult worship it's all good. Any criticism, well, haters gonna hate. Right? Wrong. As I stated when bowhunting is reduced to "likes" and "follows" on social media someone has lost what being a bowhunter is. And being a bowhunter is different things to different people, but I'm pretty sure "Likes" and "follows" isn't (or shouldn't) be one of them.

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
40 - 50 yds. You get the gist..

From: Surfbow
07-Oct-19
Lame, didn't watch...sounds like he brought a bow to a rifle fight and got lucky...

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
Sometimes the animal wins ... that is ok, isnt it ?? . ... isnt this why it is called hunting ...

From: Mnhunter1980
07-Oct-19
I agree with ambush, after putting that much pressure on the sight I wouldn’t trust things are good to go for a long shot especially. It is a hell of a shot that I am not capable of making myself. But pretty risky even for Wells. Glad it worked out for the deers sake

From: Lost Arra
07-Oct-19
I get much better/reliable penetration at 100 yards but I use a .270 at that distance.

From: APauls
07-Oct-19
I think 90% here are in agreement, not much more to be said. But that's because most here are of the mindset that we'd be embarrassed about taking that long a shot because we pride ourselves in getting close. The video-maker sees it as a bragging point and puts it in the title of the video. So right away we're at odds. It just goes from there.

It's kind of like bragging about your tracking skills after you shoot animals in the guts. Make a video titled "3 MILE gut shot TRACK JOB!!"

From: JL
07-Oct-19
Bow....I was responding to Scoot's false assumption. WRT to that guy in the vid...I don't know him nor the guy in the elk vid I posted. I agree folks will view things based on how they do it or know it....and if they choose to discuss it either way, that's fine. My view is when you complain about someone else's ways because "it's not the way I do it"...that becomes a slippery slope, especially for hunting in general.

That raises the question....what's worse for hunting...the person who hunts a certain way (long shots, mechanicals, e-bikes, bait plots, etc) or the other hunters who dislikes how that hunter does it? Hunters can be their own worst enemy....especially on social media.

I don't know too many folks who allow likes and dislikes to define what they do other than some folks are seeking attention for profit or maybe promotion.

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
Like this guy...

From: Bowbender
07-Oct-19
JL

"My view is when you complain about someone else's ways because "it's not the way I do it"

THAT is not the issue. I fully understand that western hunting may require longer shots. I get it. There come's a point where it's more pride and ego than it is the hunt.

"That raises the question....what's worse for hunting...the person who hunts a certain way (long shots, mechanicals, e-bikes, bait plots, etc) or the other hunters who dislikes how that hunter does it? Hunters can be their own worst enemy....especially on social media."

Let me know when my criticism is used before a state wildlife agency to discuss the possibility of shortening archery seasons. You know, like the vids from social media.

"I don't know too many folks who allow likes and dislikes to define what they do other than some folks are seeking attention for profit or maybe promotion."

Really? No, Really? You just described the hunter in the video to a tee.

From: Chasewild
07-Oct-19
Bowmar is the biggest douche in the game. Period.

From: GF
07-Oct-19
“Let me know when my criticism is used before a state wildlife agency to discuss the possibility of shortening archery seasons. ”

Exactly. Either we police ourselves or someone will do it for us.... with the full support of the Rifle-only hunters who are tired of finding pressured animals and rotting carcasses in the woods. Not saying it’s necessarily fair or rational, but a Rifleman who has better luck finding lost bow-kills than live Elk is only a season or two from becoming an Anti-Bowhunter.

It’s not an issue “at home” for most people, whose areas are overloaded with whitetails - and where shots over 50 are rarely an issue - but you get out West and it’s a whole different question.

From: Rut Nut
07-Oct-19
AMEN Ambush! I was thinking the same thing........................................AND the deer were alerted and looking right at him. He got lucky.........................................

From: badguybuster
07-Oct-19
I didnt watch the whole video but am i mistaken or did that arrow barely penetrate? It looked like a full length shaft hanging out of the muley

From: LINK
07-Oct-19
A big cut expandable in the shoulder.... you don’t have to see the rest of the video to know he got very little penetration.

From: GF
07-Oct-19
Consensus opinion is that the guy got piss-poor-penetration with a big mech on a shoulder and apparently had to follow up with a finisher.

I haven’t watched it for fear the SOB might be making revenue off of the ads.

From: SDHNTR(home)
07-Oct-19
Social Media is going to take us all down! It's not healthy!

From: 1boonr
07-Oct-19
If you have to take 90 yard shots, maybe you have to work on your hunting skills

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
To me it looked like nothing but the tip of the arrow entered the deer.

From: Mint
07-Oct-19
Lucky shot, just like all the long range shots are.

From: JL
07-Oct-19
Bow,

What I was laying out was a broad view and not targeting you. If you took it that way....sorry about that. As I said earlier, I don't know the guy other than the other vids I see he and his wife did when I went looking. He has some other hunting vids with short and long shots so I'm thinking he does have some archery skill. I can't speak about him personally so I won't say anything negative about him. Last night I did try to ask a question and post a link to a lawsuit he and his wife filed in March against the Dept of Fish/Wildlife and Dept of Interior. It either didn't post right or got deleted so I let it go.

It looks like they have several businesses with hunting shows/vids maybe being one? If that being the case....ya, I guess they do want the "like" votes on the vids to promote them. That's what other "celeb" hunters and websites seek....they want the clicks. If folks don't like how he or anyone else hunts, that's fine but we have to be careful because it can boomerang and come back at ya (us). Anyway....I thought it was a good vid and figured I'd post it up.

From: GF
07-Oct-19
“but we have to be careful because it can boomerang and come back at ya (us). Anyway....I thought it was a good vid and figured I'd post it up.”

Maybe next time think about how publicizing 95-yard bow shots can come back at ALL of us and ask yourself if you want to play a part in increasing the exposure/revenue stream for people who engage in this sort of thing.

JMO, anyone who wants to make a career out of their marksmanship should be on the ARCHERY pro-tour or should work the outdoors expos as a trick-shot artist. And more power to ‘em.

This guy obviously doesn’t have the chops for either, and he’s gambling with other people’s money...

Not OK.

From: midwest
07-Oct-19
He also hunts with a homemade longbow.

From: GF
07-Oct-19
Good for him! Let’s see how close he can get with it!!

Short shots and clean kills are good PR for Bowhunting. Non-hunters really seem to get Stickbows....

From: BIG BEAR
07-Oct-19
He also hunts with a spear.

From: GF
07-Oct-19
Yeah.... JMO, the average non-hunter is going to be shocked and offended by a spear. Irrational, yes, but what involving Public Opinion isn’t?

But if you think public opinion doesn't matter in Game Laws.....

From: BIG BEAR
07-Oct-19
Under armor dropped their sponsorship of him and his wife over it.

07-Oct-19
I still think Grubby's pic is the best post on this whole thread

From: PECO
07-Oct-19
Even when I was younger and worked out a lot, my arms were not as big as the arms on that girl.

From: midwest
07-Oct-19

midwest's embedded Photo
midwest's embedded Photo
Josh is a IFBB pro with several titles under his belt. The guy is a beast in the gym. He also owns his own supplement company. Very successful dude.

From: BIG BEAR
07-Oct-19
^^^. I was O.K. With just seeing the picture of his wife.

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
that dosnt mean the guy still isnt a turd and a jackass for his stupid stunt on the Mulie ... ....

From: Ambush
07-Oct-19
Anybody that likes their women built like strong men . . . . .,

. . . . . well, anyway, just be sure to tell your hunting partner before he shares a tent with you.

From: Bou'bound
07-Oct-19
“I still think Grubby's pic is the best post on this whole thread”

Maybe but it is a very low bar that has been set

From: midwest
07-Oct-19
Wasn't condoning the shot, JTV.

Bet you wouldn't talk that way to his face. Not that he'd give 2 shits what you thought anyway.

07-Oct-19
95 yard shots aside...I haven’t heard of any compound kill on mule deer under 55 yards this year...not one. So guys quit giving someone with more skill than you so much trouble when you aren’t even getting within what used to be out of bow range 30 years ago. Pick up a stickbow and quit wining it’ll show you how hard mule deer are to hunt inside 30 yards.

They’ve kicked my butt so far

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
what are you, a quiver sniffer for the guy ... yea, I'd tell the SOB he was an ass for taking such a stupid shot ...

From: PECO
07-Oct-19

PECO's embedded Photo
PECO's embedded Photo
Michael, I shot a mule deer, young doe, at 30 yards with my compound this year. I proudly posted it on the Colorado meat pole thread. Here she is again. Double lung, complete pass through, with a sharp cut on contact solid broadhead. Also, a compound from 2008.

From: Bou'bound
07-Oct-19
JTV if you would like to send him an email to tell him that he can be reached at support@bowmarshop.com.

Above you have called him a turd, a clownboy, an asswipe, an ass (not to be confused with an asswipe), ignorant, a jackass ( again not analogous to asswipe, but could be synonymous with ass), and a son of a bitch.

Send him a note and tell him how thoroughly you have assessed his character from a single video on the internet.

07-Oct-19
PECO, ok that makes one...was counting bucks though

07-Oct-19
You all should go over and read "The quest is best" story and let this all go. Life is WAY too short for this type of back and forth.

07-Oct-19
JTV calling Nick a quiver sniffer was the second best post on this thread. lol.

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
Bou, maybe ill do just that ..

From: GF
07-Oct-19
I have no idea what that is, but I don’t think I need to know.....

How about we just call this guy Not An Effective Advocate for Bowhunting....?

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
It seems there is more than one quiver sniffer here for that guy ... never heard of him till this thread, and he is still a nobody to me ... yea, he is not a good ambassador for bowhunting at all ... if this is what it is coming to, ethical bowhunters are screwed ....

From: TrapperKayak
07-Oct-19
Bou'bound, you forgot 'jackass'. After reading a plethora of negative name calling posts from JTV over on the LW and here, I am quite certain he is all of the above.

From: JTV
07-Oct-19
uh, Im not on the 'wall' ... never made one post there out of the ten years Ive been here ... ....

From: Gator
07-Oct-19
Well planned stalk, great shot, well executed start to finish. Would there be the same negative comments had the shot been at 50 yards, 60 yards, 70 yards....? Give him a max yardage that he should use to make you happy.

From: Scoot
07-Oct-19
JL, either you got exactly what you wanted or you have no clue how this archery/long shot/internet thing works out every time. If you are legitimately impressed by that video, rather than just stirring the pot, then you and I value very different things in archery.

From: pipe
07-Oct-19
It's all relative?...right? Or not?... Back when I started, a fiberglass recurve was pushing the sport. Then someone put wheels on the end which pushed the limits so much further. Now some of us go back to natural wood long bows and arrows while some continue to push the limits that technology and focused training can offer,...like pushing "ethical" shot distances. Go for it.

From: Surfbow
07-Oct-19
"Hunters can be their own worst enemy....especially on social media."

Couldn't have said it better myself JL!

From: Tonybear61
08-Oct-19
Archery is about seeing how far you can shoot and not miss, bowhunting is about how close you can get and still have a shot.

I think some twin brother of a bowhunting guru said something like that.

From: Bowbender
08-Oct-19
Mid,

"Josh is a IFBB pro with several titles under his belt. The guy is a beast in the gym. He also owns his own supplement company. Very successful dude."

So that gives him a pass on something that shines a negative light on bowhunting, OR, could be used by DOW's to shorten archery seasons.

From: TrapperKayak
08-Oct-19
'Im not on the 'wall' ' Good!

From: TrapperKayak
08-Oct-19
'Give him a max yardage that he should use to make you happy.' 50 yds for me. Anything farther is a crap shoot. Tonybear61 said it best, or quoted someone who said it best, one of the 'brothers'.

From: midwest
08-Oct-19
Bowbender, Where did I say I condoned the shot? Just sharing a little info about the guy. Never seen a single one of his hunting shows just heard his podcast with Aron Snyder and that was the first time I'd heard of him.

From: Bowbender
08-Oct-19
Nick,

Didn't say you condoned his shot. But by posting his "resume", it seems to imply he should be given a pass on what most here see as a blatantly poor choice of a shot and a selfish act.

There's a ton of good stuff on Youtube. This ain't it.

From: midwest
08-Oct-19
Hang him! He's the devil! Good grief...

From: TrapperKayak
08-Oct-19
By making that video of that hideous act, he already hung himself.

From: midwest
08-Oct-19
I thought the bear spearing did that?

From: Ambush
08-Oct-19
Up until the time this guy speared the bear, a ton of anti's were always screaming " . . . well if hunters are so tough, why don't they go after bears with spears like real men did, before guns!?!?!" So he did. But big surprise, that's not really what the anti's wanted either.

It sure did create a poop hurricane amongst hunters in Alberta too.

08-Oct-19
I think the idea that someone needs the approval of the majority of bowsite members is flawed. I doubt he truly cares. He’s paying his bills. And, until the majority of bowsite does, it isn’t relevant to him.

As far as Nick posting the guys “resume”, he did so to put things in perspective for JTV.

From: BIG BEAR
08-Oct-19
WV..... If he doesn’t care what other bowhunters think.... Then he should..... If he only cares about himself..... Then don’t record your hunts for all to see....

If he doesn’t consider the image of what he does.... that is a mistake that can only hurt bowhunting.....

Will you support him when he pushes his shots on animals to 120 yards ?? How about 150 ???

From: APauls
08-Oct-19
So how's the hunting been guys? Sounds like Arnette is getting out. Anyone else?

08-Oct-19
BB, read what I said. Absorb it. And, don't change my words to make your point. I'll help you out a little since you seem confused. I don't advocate for him or anyone else. Or, the shots they do or don't take. And, the last time I checked, he didn't post that video on bowsite. He posted it on you tube.

From: BIG BEAR
08-Oct-19
^^^. Even worse

From: JB
08-Oct-19
So many positive threads on Bowsite right now. And then there’s this one...

From: yooper89
08-Oct-19
Who’s gonna be the one to come at Bill from Iron Will for his 99yd shot at the goat?

EDIT - Did not see the "follow up shot" portion of the post. I saw a screen shot that was cut off. Hand up, that's on me.

From: Outdoordan
08-Oct-19
And this is why I lost my interest in archery with a compound. I guess this is what is cool now. Just makes me sad to see what it has come to. Now, skill isn't defined by woodsmanship, stalking skills, etc. it now comes down to whom can make the longest shot.

From: GF
08-Oct-19
“Who’s gonna be the one to come at Bill from Iron Will for his 99yd shot at the goat?”

Well, I sure as hell won’t congratulate him on it. And I’d think him for not publicizing it. But hey... maybe I’ll get lucky and CDOW will just impose stricter equipment restrictions instead of reducing OTC tag numbers....

We have a live thread right now where a guy had a shot go to hell when the animal moved at 43. 45 yards is not crazy, but the Hang Time can kill you anyway...

Lots more to killing big animals than being able to hit inanimate targets.

From: PECO
09-Oct-19
"Lots more to killing big animals than being able to hit inanimate targets." I really don't get why this is so hard to comprehend.

From: Bwill
10-Oct-19
What a buck! Great shot and great video. That was a long shot but with practice I think it is achievable. Tim wells shoots instinctive at those distances

From: brewski
10-Oct-19
90 yrd bow kill. Put down the bow and get a smoke pole. You obviously don't appreciate or understand the skill of " Bowhunting". You've shown disrespect to the animal for the chance of youtube stardom. Shame on you arrow flinger.Smell the animal before releasing the arrow, it's so much more gratifying and a much bigger accomplishment imo.

10-Oct-19
If he wounded that animal... that video would not have made to YT.

Everyone cheering it was a great shot, and who bow hunt, actually know the variables. There is a great deal of luck involved at that range and is less required at closer range.

I’m glad he killed and made the shot, but don’t buy into the hype, get as close as you can.

JMO

10-Oct-19
We already have enough people who hate us! If we turn on our own we will loose. I understand all sides of the argument but a legal hunt is a legal hunt! It doesn’t matter if you are running dogs in Arkansas or dropping long bombs on the Kansas flats. Just because it’s not how you would have done it doesn’t make it wrong. Congratulations to him oh bringing meat home!

From: BIG BEAR
10-Oct-19
“Tim Wells shoots instinctive at those distances”.......

OMFG. Here in lies the problem. People see guys like Tim Wells on YT taking long unethical shots on animals...... and that’s where they set the bar.

From: Tonybear61
10-Oct-19
There are no mistakes only happy little accidents -Rob Ross

OK the 95-100 yard shot was a happy accident(this time) wounding and losing one at that range is a mistake...

From: TrapperKayak
10-Oct-19
I'd bet for every one happy accident 100 yds shot, there are at least 10 misses or wound accidents with lost animals. That shot should never be taken unless you are hopelessly lost in the wilderness and need to survive.

From: GF
10-Oct-19
“ We already have enough people who hate us!If we turn on our own we will loose. I understand all sides of the argument but a legal hunt is a legal hunt!”

Right up until it’s ILLEGAL because you can’t get a tag because the wildlife managers can no longer justify a separate season for archery.

“We already have enough people who hate us!“

True enough. No sense adding Rifle-only hunters to the list, is there?

Seems to me that this guy has a fan club composed of people who have neither the skills to get any closer than he did, nor the judgment to realize it when they are watching the highlight reel from a trick-shot artist. Too bad it wasn’t someone like Dwight Schuh presented with that opportunity. Now, THAT would have been a hunt worth watching.

From: APauls
10-Oct-19
"Who’s gonna be the one to come at Bill from Iron Will for his 99yd shot at the goat?"

yooper get your facts straight - that 99 yard shot was a follow up shot to an already mortally hit goat. Follow up shots are a completely different deal. I can't believe guys will make claims about other people on the internet where thousands of people read it. Seriously!!!!

10-Oct-19
It would be interesting if someone could setup some sort of high tech situation that would mimic every single aspect of this hunt, kind of like a flight simulation. Broken sight, deer on high alert looking directly in the direction of the hunter, and even better if 100 different wild mule deer reactions could be replicated so it rotates through each of them. Let that guy go through the simulation 100 times and see how many lethal shots he gets at 95 yards.

10-Oct-19
Simulation*

From: Quinn @work
10-Oct-19
If anyone gets tired of tossing stones here head on over to Monster Muleys and blast the guy who missed a huge muley with his muzzleloader at 600 yards but ended up killing him at 270 yards with a lucky shot.

From: yooper89
10-Oct-19
APauls - I edited my comment. That's on me. The screenshot I saw did not have that part of the post in it. I am owning up to that.

From: TrapperKayak
10-Oct-19
Huntkifishcook, that kind of simulation could be replicated on a computer, just input all the situations. Someone with programming expertise could do it.

From: JohnMC
10-Oct-19
Wan2bmountainman said 'We already have enough people who hate us! If we turn on our own we will loose."

Don't total disagree but we also need to police our on ranks or someone will do it for us.

From: Bou'bound
10-Oct-19
How is this policing. Have we changed his behavior though vitriol and judgement.

Don’t look now but he wouldn’t care if he knew and he does not even know.

Some police force we are.

From: keepemsharp
10-Oct-19
We are going to promote ourselves out of what we have.

From: BIG BEAR
10-Oct-19
I disagree Grant. While taking a 95 yard shot at game with a bow certainly is not illegal...... We can and should police ourselves through peer pressure. If he didn’t care what other hunters thought.... He wouldn’t be filming himself and posting his hunts for all to see.

Peer pressure here or on You Tube or on his website may or may not change his behavior.....

But it just might stop other hunters from trying to copy him.....

From: Brotsky
10-Oct-19
Just came here to see if the handle "Quiver Sniffer" was still available?

From: PECO
10-Oct-19
Beautiful deer! Think it’s phenomenal practice to shoot at those ranges, as I do it every session. Feel confident I can hit within a 6” pie at 100 yards assuming calm winds. Would I ever attempt a shot like that on a wild animal, HELL NO!!! We owe them more!

Bowmar Bowhunting 1 day ago 6 inch group at a 100, sounds like you suck haha I wouldn’t shoot that far either if i shot that bad. You go and enjoy your opinion soup, and I’ll enjoy the many animals I’ve killed at this distance and further. You should practice more

Yep this guy is a real class act.

From: PECO
10-Oct-19
He is getting some negative comments on youtube also. His attitude is poor.

From: GF
10-Oct-19
That guy sounds like a real Treat...

From: midwest
10-Oct-19
Sorry, Justin.....I already applied for the copyright. I think leg humper is still available!

From: JohnMC
10-Oct-19
Looks like a lot of comments not favorable to him disappears. Guess he can delete the ones that aren’t kissing his ass???

From: JakeBrake
11-Oct-19
Bowhunting never has and never should be a long range sport...even if you have the skill...that’s not why a person should use a bow...just my opinion

From: JTV
11-Oct-19
the ones saying it was a great shot and kissing this SOBs ass are nothing but trolls and have no idea what BOWhunting is about ..

11-Oct-19
Bow and arrow hunting was intended to be short range game. Why do so many hunters embrace every advantage in arrow speed and distance capability? Have the original archery limitations not been extended by all who participated in these tech advancements? What are the guidelines now that we have scoped shoulder fired weapons in many of the archery seasons? I think there is plenty of guilt to go around in this state of events.

From: HDE
11-Oct-19
I know a guy who pretty much only hunts with a bow because of the "challenge". He also regularly shoots [at] animals that cause his arrows to fly with a rainbow arc, even though the arrow's "muzzle velocity" is somewhere in the 290 range.

Simply put, he is a show boat worried about making, in what he believes, himself look good in the eyes of others. Such a loser...

From: PA-R
11-Oct-19
I am in JAG, LB SHOOTER camp.

From: elkstabber
14-Oct-19
First: thank you Grubby. WV isn't the only who liked that pic.

Hail Marys should be highlighted in football games - not in bowhunting. It is a sign of a desperate bowhunter.

From: Hackbow
14-Oct-19
So glad we lost the CF.

14-Oct-19
Nick, you may have dib's on that handle but, I'm going to re-register as Quiversniffer II. :^)

15-Oct-19
Thanks for the video. I thought it was top quality, and a very good production. From what was posted on the vid above, I saw nothing offensive, or over the top. ( butt shots?)

15-Oct-19
The other issue obviously we have here, is simply this....At what distance should we be allowed to shoot at an animal? And to answer the above posting, why would this shot limit the length of the season?

Each of us, has to know what we can and can not do........... I just killed a deer at 56 yards, and my max is under the right conditions.... There are so many variables..... I like to shoot a long bow, but I know what my limitations are, and for the most part it is 25 yards and under, but I can assure you there are lots of trad archers, who could not hit a bull in the ass, at 15 yards, but shoot beyond their means anyways

I would not shoot a elk beyond 40, but that is based on my equipment etc.... someone else could easily kill one at 60,

Hunters are their own worst enemies.................. I have seen the enemy and its us...Pogo

From: Bowbender
15-Oct-19
WTF dude(s)..... Don't drag the same sh!t into this thread that got the CF shut down. Take it off line, PM's text's or whatever. Just not here. JTV and GF, your last posts have ZERO to do with this thread.

15-Oct-19
GF’s rarely do.

From: Scoot
15-Oct-19
Bingo Wy!

From: Ambush
15-Oct-19
A few come here to make a stink and a few others come to sniff it and then complain about the smell.

From: South Farm
15-Oct-19
What a train wreck!

15-Oct-19
Technology has extended the effective range for archery kills, that is a fact. With the advancements in compound bows, scoped compound crossbows, sight aids, releases, range finders, etc,.... how far should archers be shooting at animals. And, should game managers be concerned with higher success rates during archery seasons? This thread seems to be rambling, with few facts and little common sense.

From: GF
15-Oct-19
“And to answer the above posting, why would this shot limit the length of the season?”

That depends where you are. If you live in and in a state which is packed to the rafters with white tails and your game department is desperate to get rid of them, then the answer is “nothing at all”.

On the other hand....

If you live where the Archery season was created as an either-or alternative to Rifle season and the natural limitations of the weaponry were expected to A) keep participation low and B) keep the harvest so low as to be negligible, even given OTC either-sex tags, it’s a serious concern.

Why is Archery season 4 weeks vs 4 days? Limited technology. Why does Archery season encompass the Elk rut? Limited technology. Why do Rifle season hunters continue to be OK with a 4-week long season offering either-sex tags during the rut to huge numbers of hunters using weapons capable of reaching out to 60 or 80 or 100 yards or more?

Damn good question. Muzzleloader season is a whole lot shorter and has always been a lottery, even when most hunters were shooting roundball or pure lead conicals. Why? Because 80-100-yard weapons.

Colorado is now considering cutting back on Archery tags due to the amount of hunting pressure that has resulted from making compounds easier to use at longer and longer range.

Might not be a problem where you are, but it’s a REAL issue.

15-Oct-19
Yes, point creep, limited draws, quota seasons, etc are very real and already happening. Too many here have the generally over populated and prolific, eastern whitetail deer mentality.

From: TrapperKayak
15-Oct-19
'This thread seems to be rambling, with few facts and little common sense.' This horse was flogged to death long ago. It should be gone from here.

This Topic has been locked. Thank you.

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