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I love Outfitter reviews..LOL
The most recent one for Bitterroot Mountain Outfitters is a classic. We should establish a forum where we can have a civil discussion , with both sides present, over such disagreements as this and judge and jury who wins....would be SO entertaining! Since TBM split, the entertainment value needs ratcheted back up!!
I love Outfitter reviews.,.,.my secret Bowsite guilty pleasure....
Agree - that was a good one. LOL
Yeah, I enjoyed both of the recent reviews from that outfitter. I wanted to start this thread!
From the outfitters website, describing a guided elk hunt with them: "To start the trip, you will pack in between 4-12 miles all on horseback."
From outfitters response to his 1st, 1 star Bowsite review: "This was never a wilderness hunt and was not advertised as such on our website. We take a great deal of pride in our camps. It has nice wall tents with wood stoves, some wood floors, wood stoves and a well put-together kitchen. All of our guided archery hunts are from our base camp, they are not packed in."
Do guys like this pay ANY attention to the thoughts in their head????
The red Ones are The ones worth reading
It always amazes me when 2 accounts are exact polar opposites. Somebody is absolutely lying through their teeth. I guess I wasn’t raised that way but it always amazes me when people can flat lie. In this case I’m not sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The question is...which one is lying!!
Must not be a BS sponsor.
The irony is almost all of the “red” reviews come from people who didn’t book with a bow site sponsor, didn’t do their research, didn’t ask any questions on Bowsite but after the fact chose to come to Bowsite to post their review.
A little work up front before booking and most of these reviews wouldn’t be necessary.
Yes some things are uncontrollable for the outfitters but the good ones who make an uncontrollable negative circumstance right after the fact don’t seem to end up here in the “red” column.
I love the guys goat hunt review that chose to sit in the cabin for his last 8 DAYS of his hunt.
Probably once a month I am threatened with legal action by pissed off outfitters. The bigger problem for them is we have incredible google weightings so reviews are always ranked very high on Google.
BTW , we do post negative reviews for sponsors. We just had one last month - it's right there along with all the positive ones.
“In this case I’m not sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.”
Probably ten years ago, I heard a professor of Journalism interviewed about all of the TV news stations that were having “balanced” representation on various issues and getting people from opposite ends of the spectrum to opine on the issue of the day, and he said the problem was that we were being told to believe that the average of two distortions is somewhere close to the Truth, and that it just never works that way. It only makes both sides angrier and more polarized. And all these years later, look at Politics. See where that crap has gotten us.
Polarization will be the death of the republic.
I too get a kick out of the poor reviews. The thing I have found interesting on several recently was they hunts were booked with booking agents.
Why would anyone assume that just because one side is lying that the other is telling the truth? Rather than the truth being in the middle, I would suggest that it is more likely to be outside of both.
My favorite is the 5 star that the outfitter disagreed with lol was fairly vague in the text section but it was still a 5 star review lol
There have been a few reviews where the outfitter received a terrible review and the outfitter actually agreed with him. Some took ownership for the issues and were making it right with the hunter. Now that is an honest guide.
I hate being the spelling police but, what is this word "egsauhsted"? As in "Tina was so egsausted". Oh I get it, exhausted. Lol.
Sounds like an average typical outfit. With Eggsagerated claims.
Note both hunters were hunting with crossbows.
It is great entertainment. I most of the time believe the outfitter in the response.
Hopeless, the idea is that they are both lying in opposite directions, the truth being somewhere in the middle.
I did some work for an outfitter who had a bunch of good reviews and a couple bad ones, and the bad reviews were so full of BS it made me sick. There are a couple gems from two guys who chose the remote high-altitude camp, which it's made clear is a pretty bare-bones tent setup, who then proceeded to whine that they had "nowhere to sit down in camp"...like you can't sit on a rock, the grass, a log, the dirt, your sleeping pad, the food box, the pack saddles, etc....? Must have been tiring to stand up for 7 days straight...
I read the review and the part that is troubling is the "physical confrontation" with the woman.
If you are selling a service for usually a high dollar amount you will be expected to have basic amenities, whether it`s a back country setting or not. Right or wrong you have to put yourself in the clients position, if he is shelling out $8000 he going to expect more than a "rock or a log".
In this day and age a online review is the new "soaping your windows"....it`s their chance to make things difficult for you as a business by giving a uncontested review. I wonder how different reviews would be if done face to face.
I just hope my review of cody carr from last year opened at least a few peoples eyes. If i saved even one person from booking an elk or deer hunt with him, i feel like it was a success on my part. He has blocked me on all of social media, so i have no idea if he is having any successful hunts this season or not. But yes, i enjoy reading them as well. I had a good friend that had a great elk hunt 6-7 years ago with him. I did not realize how much the game population of NW Montana had changed in that time. I should have done more research on the current situation instead of just booking based on history from that many years ago.
The latest red review is so informative as to what the perceived problems were. Geesh
Outfitters and clients are just people. Neither is more likely to be a jerk but a percentage of both are.
I've never done a guided or outfitter hunt, but my brother in law did one a few years ago in western Montana...don't know the name of the outfitter. It was a horse ride in and hunt, and primitive hunt...archery. He'd had several phone conversations in the months leading up to his trip, and said they were very helpful...he was told he'd have an equal chance of spotting 300 class elk, and griz...he saw both. He didn't take an elk but said he wouldn't hesitate to book again and gave a rave review.
I once hunted with a very successful outfitter who had another client in camp.
Due to a situation outside of the Outfitters’s control the hunter got screwed on a stalk for a giant buck. The guy was irate and made the rest of his hunt uncomfortable for everyone. He ended up leaving early. One day later he posted an outfitter review that bore no resemblance at all to reality. I was there, so I knew he was misrepresenting the facts.
Things can go south on hunts and many guys can’t handle it. I’m convinced that he believes his side of the story but as an objective 3rd party he was entirely wrong.
A pattern of bad reviews likely show an issue. I rely heavily on reviews when I'm buying tools and equipment. But.... half or more of the bad ones should be disregarded. Not just taken with a grain of salt.... maybe a bag of rock salt....
Not all, but most reviews on the internet follow a pattern. People who had a positive experience and no problems give FAR fewer reviews than those who did. And unfortunately a large portion of those with negative experiences suffer from basic ineptitude, often unreasonable expectations. Don't read nor follow instructions. And some could screw up a wet dream. Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid.
Sometimes it's easy to see. And sometimes the folks actually had issues and know what they were doing. It could come from someone who rarely complains..... or from some one who rarely doesn't. Reading between the lines becomes an art form.....
Had a scathing negative google review once from a guy who went off about renting a post hole digger. Claimed we sent it out broken and still charged him, then claimed we were rude on top of that. In reality, he broke at least 5 shear bolts on the auger. They are designed to break if you hit something hard that might damage the equipment, it's rare even one breaks but we send a spare just in case. He used the spare and came and got at least 4 more. Finished his job, but returned it a full day late. He was charged for one day when he had it for more than two. Those were the facts. None of them in his "review". It was our equipment that was defective. Impossible it had anything to do with the rocks he was hitting with it.
I wrote it all off to he must have been just another democrat with no sense of personal responsibility and no connection with reality...... seems an epidemic..... =D
"Polarization will be the death of the republic." No. Censoring will be. Banning communication will be.
Yeah, some of these reviews are great fun. I especially go for the ones that are negative with outfitter responses. Can't remember the posting but my favorite is where somebody went on a Canadian hunt and then accused the outfitter for being drunk and late and lazy. The outfitter has a long response that is classic but the best line is when he said his grand daughter has more sand in her pants than this guy. Beautiful.
Isnt everyone drunk in Canada?
Just read all of the red ones. Made my day lmao
I don't read the Outfitter reviews unless someone points them out. But I do read product reviews for hunting equipment a lot. My favorites are always the 5 Star reviews where they say "Just got it in the mail. Fits great and looks great. can't wait to use it."
Are you F&(%#ing kidding me!!!???? You're giving a review without actually USING the thing!
Besides Bowsite recommendations, I've given exactly 2 review of things on TripAdvisor, and the only reason I did it was both operations were small (a magic show in Eureka Springs, AR, and a mini tour bus company in Scotland), and both experiences FAR exceeded my expectations, in great ways. And I felt they needed a positive review for it.
Otherwise, good or bad, I usually keep my trap shut
Those things won’t help, but we’ve never until 2017 had a president identify our free press as an Enemy Of The People or attempt to revoke any reporter’s press credentials.
The only bad review I ever gave was spypoint because they suck and so does there customer service. And there hold music sucks to which you have to listen to far to long.
HAY GF As Foghorn Leghorn used Say " AAAAAhh, SHUDDDUPP!!!!!!!!"
"I had a good friend that had a great elk hunt 6-7 years ago with him. I did not realize how much the game population of NW Montana had changed in that time. I should have done more research on the current situation instead of just booking based on history from that many years ago."
Great point IMHO. Game availability and other factors can and do change. Just because some had a good/bad experience in previous years does not mean those going today will experience the same. I appreciate the reviews, especially from handles I recognize have been posting on BS BEFORE they just did an Outfitter Review. I also realize that people will say more in PMs than they will on the forums, so if going on a once in a life time hunt, it is good to ask for outfitter advice and not just use the reports, again IMHO. Thanks.
Come on GF. The press lied their asses off and Obama did no wrong. They lie their asses off and Trump can do nothing correct. The outright lies from the press is unacceptable. Showing video clips from a range in Kentucky and saying it is Trump murdering Kurds, is 100% bullshit and the press needs to be held accountable to a higher standard of facts. just sayin
You seem to be overlooking the fact that I want the press to be honest NO MATTER WHO is POTUS.
If it wouldn’t be OK for a Dem to do it, it’s not OK for a Republican.
I just want one set of rules and honorable people willing to live by them.
But I’m willing to settle for Adults.
Maybe we do need the Community Forum back
"Isnt everyone drunk in Canada?"
Only the ones you can trust.
WOW-from bad outfitter reviews to politics.
Did Pat ever give a detailed explanation of the demise of the CF? If so i missed it.
If bringing back the CF would keep some of these “contributors” from dragging politics into every damn hunting thread, I’m all for it!!!
There's definitely a few that need to be voted off the island. . . .
TDS, it kills moods and people, figuratively and literally... there is hope though: 4 more years.
I would agree. I was quite enjoying this thread. Then, well, not so much.
I come here to decompress. I work hard. Work doesn't stress me. Numbskulls that feel the need to hear their own voice in order to increase their inflated value of self worth, while derailing a fun thread....well that doesn't stress me either.
I simply REALLY dislike narcissistic jackwads....HA!
I just thought of a great acronym for the front runner jackwad.....as in nobody G..ives a F... what you have to say!! HAHA! Made me laugh at myself...
Kiki x3. Beat it with that political horsesh**!
Ki-ke heck yeah. Having literally everything lead to politics is what Twitter is for!
You guys are slow to the party. Ambush coined the “GF yourself” in a thread sometime last year!
Yep, and my feelings are SO HURT that I haven’t been back since. I find I just can’t compete with such sophisticated arguments, so I just gave up.
I thought it meant "Good For You". My bad.
Many of us wish you would...just give up! AND STOP HIJACKING THREADS WITH POLITICAL CRAP!!!
This just happened tonight.... LOL. I'll share with you guys. Had 2 hunters arrive on Saturday from Vermont. They went to the license issuer and wanted to pay credit card for licenses. He read on the counter that they did not take a CC for licenses. He started swearing, F this F that. Issuer was about to tell him that he could use his card but had to pay an extra 5% for them to use a CC, but they stormed out of a packed store without the license, mad as hell. They had to travel an extra 40 miles to eventually buy their deer license.
Their 2 buddies arrived on Sunday. They too were unable to buy a deer license. I went to the issuer on Monday and asked what went on. The lady manager said they were very rude, all 4 of them and couldn't keep from making a commotion in front of other patrons. So they too had to go to Dryden. The 2 who arrived on Sunday had a hard time getting licenses 2 years ago due to his attitude at the issuers. But they did get the licenses they needed.
Tonight, I went over and asked how they did. One took a 9 pointer. While visiting them, one of the 4 made comments about Trump. They were not favourable comments. I spoke up and defended him. The guy got mad, I mean furious!!
So furious that he is leaving tomorrow. I know sometimes politics should not be talked about but I was just rebutting what he said. He told me I should shut my mouth, as I am not an American!! I thought I was going to get kicked out of my own camp lol. This is the same guy who was refused a deer license.
These guys have hunted here for years and know CC are not accepted for licenses.
Moral of the Story****My conversation with the manager on Monday tells me that "MOST"often, there are 2 sides to a story!!! ***Conversation with the one hunter tells me, watch who you talk politics to!!
Ambush...figures HE is wittier than me....Kills bigger Mulies too...
Ambush...GF yourself!! HAHAHA!!
Spike buck, been there! I once guided an old guy on a moose hunt, who hated Republicans in general. Obama was president then. From morning until night this guy ranted and raved, never shut up, got himself so worked up that I thought he was going to have a heart attack several times. The hunt involved a lot of driving and glassing so we were in the truck much of rhe day. He didn't drink coffee, didnt need it. First thing in the morning he would turn on Fox News in the cabin and start yelling at the TV.
One night at the cabin he was in a froth about how everything on the internet is a lie put there by Republicans with Karl Rove's "trillion dollar budget". So I pointed out some Obama lies. He jumped up and started stalking me around the furniture his underwear with his fists balled up. He was a very large man and beet-red with rage. I got him calmed down and no fight ensued, but the next morning he missed a moose at 60 yards with his .338 and told me he wanted to end the hunt and go home. By that time he was so worked up I was afraid he was going to shoot me.
"Ambush...GF yourself!! HAHAHA!!"
ki-ke, if I was was just 1/2" longer......
Outdoordan………………… " Eggsagerated " Bwahahaha!
Lou that’s the good thing about guiding white tail hunters. Most are from the land of little deer, the gulf coast. To a T most of them are Christian conservatives that pray at every meal. I’ve only guided a couple of crazy Yankees in 15 years but they too were likely conservative. Now some of those southern boys can be a pita at times but all are good guys.
Lol, spikebuck, somehow I don’t think you would have let them kick you out
It seems like bad trips happen to some people over and over.....inexplicable
"If you are selling a service for usually a high dollar amount you will be expected to have basic amenities, whether it`s a back country setting or not. Right or wrong you have to put yourself in the clients position, if he is shelling out $8000 he going to expect more than a "rock or a log"."
If you hunt out of a tent in the West, a basic amenity is a dry place to sleep and cold food, not a squishy chair for your butt...maybe it's different in Wisconsin
"It seems like bad trips happen to some people over and over.....inexplicable"
Weird how it always happens to the same people, and they just think it's their bad luck... :)
People are amazing entertainment
gives and gives... thanks!