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The new 2020 Bowtechs are...
Absolutely amazing! They did exactly what I hoped they would do. Get ready!
Cool story bro! You might as well have sent out a picture of the bow blurred out.
I'm with nfuf on this one! :)
Yep...I agree 110%! :) :) :) But how about those new Bowtechs nfuf?
nfuf said on the Bowtech already....
Now, if this troll would have mentioned the CF and politics and how crooked the dem's and their impeachment crap is, he'd have had his posts poofed by now ....... ;0)
wheres the mods when you need 'em .... Pat aint huntin', he dosnt have his gear yet and where is Phil ??
Nfuf.......... If you want your posts to stick around for awhile..... You might try asking for prayers for your dog that died.
Who woulda thunk...I would've never taken nfuf as a Bowtech fan. Mathews maybe, but not Bowtech. :)
He seemed more a raven fully semiautomatic high capacity magnum string rifle fan to me.
I don't mind taking advice on how to make a stronger position in today's competitive IT industry from a guy that can't compose a coherent sentence. But I'd never take his advice on which bow to shoot. ENUF said.
They still going to weigh as much as a Mathews...Doh! Lol...
Sorry, had too....
Rumor has it a Realm with deadlock. Including a 33" model I believe.
I just sold my bow. I’ll be on the hunt...but I’ll probably buy a 1 year old bow after everyone upgrades to new.
I got a unreal deal on a new realm sr6, i picked it up today at the post office, hopefully i will like it, i like my realmx.
I got a new bow too.
Ok Elkman. What exactly is it that you wanted them to do and where's the link?
Since it's all over the internet....
Wayne Carlton has been posting pictures of it on Facebook
My future elk and moose bow!
They’re really the only relevant bow company out there anymore! ;^)
Yep, so far ahead of the pack!
I'm liking the looks of that 2 piece quiver on it.
Looks sharp. Anyone know the BH on the Revolt?
Ike: Those are real photos
These bows are amazing. I think people will actually prefer this draw cycle over the old cam. It has a smoother draw force curve through the back end and significantly more valley. These things tune in minutes with nothing more than an allen wrench.... Amazing
Does it come with that offset stabilizer and quiver?
I'll be anxious to shoot this one as I did not care for the Reckoning Draw curve at all. Also, I want something between 6.5 and 7 for brace height. I'm currently shooting an SS and with heavy, winter clothes I notice a difference with the 6" brace. The Realm X pretty much hits my "dream specs" with a 6 3/4 brace and 33" a to a. If nothing "trips my trigger" with the new stuff this year, I'll go back to a Realm X this year.
Elkman, How is it you had a chance to shoot this bow? Since it wont be released publicly until Friday the 8th. Are you a dealer that ignored the "confidential" part of the bow shipment? Or , do know a local dealer that ignored it? It does look like a very nice bow. I look forward to shooting one when they are available. Seems like people always want to "leak" something to feel important. Just my opinion.
Elk man has hoyts in his harvest photos! Lol. Troll else where
I will be getting one next October.
"Elk man has hoyts in his harvest photos! Lol. Troll else where"
Are you saying i am trolling? IF so, you are highly mistaken. A legit question as I , along with a few others, would like to find the source of how this info was leaked.
Lookout Casey! Sounds like the beginning of a new Impeachment inquiry is stirring.
Kenny, a few posts up it says Wayne Carlton has been putting pics on FB. I know controversy sells to those easily drawn into the hype, but what is so confidential about a release date or a dealer shooting a new bow?
And as far as posting about these bows here: There is NOTHING "I have" said or divulged here that is inappropriate in any way shape or form...
My 2015 Trophy Photos show a Hoyt as well. If you base someone’s equipment affiliations with 4 year old photos, you may be sadly mistaken. In fact if you look at a pic of me from two weeks ago and assume where my equipment affiliations lie, you may be sadly mistaken. ;)
Correct. I need to take a minute and post my last 3 seasons
"A legit question as I , along with a few others, would like to find the source of how this info was leaked."
Tip #1, start with archery talk.
"I know controversy sells to those easily drawn into the hype, but what is so confidential about a release date or a dealer shooting a new bow?"
Some dealers were shown the new product a few weeks ago, by their reps, with shipments following. Those dealers and their staff shot the new product and were asked to keep information about the bow to themselves. Casey could have easily been included in a dealer showing/testing session with a rep.
Bob....I default back to what is so confidential about this bow? That question maybe better directed to the manufacture. Maybe it's to align with a marketing campaign?? If so...I can see that to a point. However, this is along the lines of the new Mathews Lee Lakosky shot his big deer with on his thread from a few days ago....he couldn't show it. I think there is an element of creating a buzz or hype about the product via supposed "secrecy" by the manufacture. I guess I see humor in what I believe is feigned hype about a new bow.
They have a social media rollout planned and I would guess they wanted the product kept under wraps in an effort to build excitement. All the companies are doing that now.
They all do it, as Bob said...Hoyt would pixelate or blur their bows that staff were prototyping on hunts...
Again: Notice I never stated a bow name, any specs, and details with regards to changes in technology, or anything else that was to be "kept under wraps". I didn't post those photos either. I don't see a problem with them being posted here as they are all over the Internet at this point, but I didn't post them. I was simply stating how amazing they are, and that in my opinion it is worth getting excited about and checking out when they ARE released to the public. I absolutely love my Realm X, best pure hunting bow I have ever owned, but I will definitely be shooting one of these new ones this year... Nuff said
I did see the thread on Archery Talk. Elkman is on AT as well. I was simply asking if he was the dealer that leaked the info early? There is/was a confidentiality request from the company about the new bows. Zeke(?) leaked the post on AT . I dont know who that is. Possibly, a friend of Elkman? He (Zeke) deliberately posted the bow with specs and information. And i have not seen anything related to Bowtech that Wayne Carlton has posted on facebook. Yes, a lot of companies do try an hype up a new bow release. It always seems like someone is determined to get all the info out early regardless. Anyway, it does seem like a nice bow to me as well! I have shot the Realm X the last two years and i will probably get this new one to hunt. I have a Reckoning and the cam adjustment systems is terrific.
Doesn't matter. The bows will be in local shops to test drive in a week or 2 anyway according to my local source. Then we will all know the name. I'll be test driving one myself.
Maybe it will be called the Reckoning X......
Your dealer should have gotten them last week.
According to the link to YouTube above. If you do the math, that’s only 321IBO. It may be very tunable but once I get a bow tuned I never touch it again. Poundage, arrows, broadheads, all stay the same. It’s a nice feature but I’d rather have another 20 FPS myself.
Thats probably with the comfort setting. The X will be faster than that IBO.
Thanks Bob, i guess Man Bun Archery decided Friday was too far away. ;)
It really doesn’t matter, boys.....they suck anyways! :). J/k
Kenny, FWIW.....that guy on the vid posted this in the comments when someone else (Brandon U.) questioned him too.
"Brandon Urbaniak Right? Release was scheduled for Wednesday the 6th when Bowtech announced them at 10 am Pacfic time. Guess some people can’t read the attached notice with the bows! "
Gotcha. At some point i guess they changed the release date til the 8th and didnt notify the dealers of the update. But, this seems like a pretty good review.
Weight man, weight...Did they shave any weight off?!?
No the new one's are just slightly heavier. They feel exactly the same in hand, until you draw and release. These things are incredibly quiet and vibration free.
Well the specs are definitely more exciting to me than what the other companies have released so far.
That’s exactly what I was looking for, BRACE HEIGHT 7 1/4"
Boat anchor weight, like Mathews...Least I can save my money! Do like the finish options though...
Can you get it in 80 lbs?
Held one in my hand today at the Archery shop, it felt heavy. I like the cam adjustment a lot. I did not shoot it. The Hoyt was right next to it. It felt better laying in the hand. I did not shoot it either. Also held a new Prime, weird bow with the double cam. Held the new PSE also. None of them felt amazing in hand, or looked amazing, or got me excited. I may have got excited if there was a left hand model in the store and I shot one. Not $1,000+ excited though.
For $1,200.00 I think maybe I'd pick up a 6.5 PRC instead. Not a bow, I know, but...
They can keep it. I checked one out today. If I wanted a slow bow I’d buy a Mathews ;) I did put a small down payment on an SR 6 while I was down there though. :)
I wouldn't call the revolt X slow
"Thanks Bob, i guess Man Bun Archery decided Friday was too far away. ;) "
I think they are called Bitch Biscuits.
Completely agree with Carcus. The Revolt X is anything but slow at 340 ibo at those dimensions/specs. (And it's a Bowtech so it will actually hit it's numbers unlike the new Hoyt and Mathews)
The Revolt X is within 2 fps of the Realm X on a 28 inch draw all things equal. So I would put the speed of the Rev X at 343 ibo.
I shot the Revolt X yesterday, next to my Realm X and SS. The Revolt X is VERY nice. A tuner/tinkers dream bow. Very smooth on the draw, no hand shock and almost identical speed wise to the others. For me, it was not worth a change, but that doesn't mean I won't end up with one. :) I'm very impressed with the technology on the cam system and it was much more "comfortable" to me vs. the Reckoning. (I hated the draw cycle on the Reckoning.) Between the Realm X and Revolt X, you are splitting hairs performance wise. If you are a tinkerer, the Revolt X is a dream.
I would agree. Especially if you are a guy that is very meticulous about perfect broad head flight but do not want to spend hundreds on a press.
Yeah...I already ordered one... ;)
You might have been the only one of us who didn't see that coming based on your previous post.
Look at the new 2020 Xpedition line up ... the Mountaineer X/33"/340 IBO is still there, but they now have the MX15 (32"-358-362 IBO-5" brace) and the MX16 (32"-348-352 IBO/6" brace) and a 34 inch speed bow called the DLX, a remake of their famous Denali at a IBO of 342-345 and the Escape a 30" shorty with a IBO of 348-352 ... kind blows away Mathews and Bowtech and Hoyt... dosnt it ...lol ... I will be shooting these this spring ... time for a new bow (maybe)... sorry Ally ..... if the $$ is there for me to do so ..... The DLX really interests me as does the Mountaineer X .... I only have to drive 200+ miles round trip to test them .... ;0(
The only problem I have buying anything other than the “big 3” is resale value. While there are some great bows out there that aren’t one of the big 3, try to sell one used. Now, if you’re a guy that is going to own that bow for several years, go for it. I learned a long time ago, if I want to try new bows every year, it can’t be anything but Bowtech, Mathews or Hoyt.
Matt’s a little crabby because he’s not on Kodiak...
I dont re-sell my bows and I dont trade 'em in ... I use 'em as long as I can, like my '06 Ally or my 4x4 Sonoma w/ 385K on it ..... the Bow is still killing critters and the truck keeps on trucking, albeit with a few replacement parts ;0)
The Xpedition's are fast but the riser is very reflexed, unlike the bowtech, even the SR6 has a deflex riser, at least they have one tunable yoke
yea, I wouldnt own another bow without at least a top yoke for tuning ... the adjustable cams (left/right) that Bowtech has is really a neat innovation ...
Carcus has this right. There is a HUGE difference in riser geometry here and almost no performance difference in the "actual testing" between the two. Making the Bowtech FAR easier to shoot consistently, not to mention the Expedition is worth about $10 bucks the second you walk out the door with it, and much much more hand shock/vibration=noise in the Expedition bows.
So far these bows are coming in slightly above IBO at least on the 27-1/2 to 28-1/2 inch draw settings. About 3 to 4 fps.
"[X]pedition is worth about $10 bucks the second you walk out the door with it"
Nope. Sold mine for 75% value of new when I departed with it.
As much as I hate to agree with elkman, take a look at the prices of expeditions on AT. They drop like a rock. If you like them, buy used.
That's not just Expedition. Trust me...I've done it with Elites, Strother, Ross, G5, Parker etc. If you want to shoot one of these brands other than the big 3, go for it. Some of these companies make a GREAT bow. But don't think you're going to sell them. Getting 75% of what you bought it for is an anomaly...
^^^ unless you sell it the same year it was bought, but yes, most of the time you're lucky to get 50%.
This is why I will never buy another new bow ever again.
The re sale is the least of why I would choose the new Bowtechs over the Expedition, but it is a small factor I suppose. Now if you were arguing for the new PSEs that gets trickier...
ive shot Bowtechs for 10 years so i may be a little biased. That said ive shot all the new bows that have come out this year thus far and think the Bowtech is the best. Great draw cycle, dead in hand and super stiff back wall. The new cam system is cool as well and something i can get on board with. Ill be picking up a Revolt X for next season.
But elkman, these bowtechs are boat anchors.
re-sale is something for me that never enters my mind ... Cost comes into play, that is at the top right above the qualities/specs/shootability of the bow ..... The Mountaineer X is very affordable compared to these others ... a saving of $300-500 ... that is a huge difference ... When it comes down to it, I know I'll just keep my ALLY, she is still one hell of a bow ... However, I will say these new Flagship bows are sweet ....
^^^ They’re trying to catch Mathews! Lol.... :-)
Resale value LOL, I'm not buying the bow for the next guy. I plan to use a bow for a long time, my current bow has been killing for 10 years. I'm an excellent shot, I don't need a new $1,500 top of the line model every year to kill deer.
I've owned 6 bows this year. Resale is important to me... :)
Kentuck: I will say I wish they were closer to the 4.1 range on their weight, but also remember this is a 33 inch ATA aluminum bow we're talking about here. (And they actually weigh what they say they weigh) So I would say they are at or below industry average for a bow that length with regards to weight. We have taken the time to do actual weights on the offerings from Mathews and Hoyt for several years, and suffice it to say they are no where near what they claim. Mathews started lying about their weights a LONG time ago, and Hoyt began the practice in the last year or two... Something to consider
The weight of a bow has no bearing on my purchasing decision, as I affix front and back stabilizers and a fairly heavy sight to whatever model it might be. I want the bow to be very quiet at the shot. I want it to aim well - in the vein of a target bow. I want to have appreciable speed with a 450 to 475 grain hunting arrow. I am betting that most modern bows will meet these criteria, so I will have to shoot them all. (Just my luck!) I am excited to see how much better, if any, a new bow might be over my current 2010 Mathews Drenalin LD. Archery is the best.
Elkman, how any ounces did Mathews lie by?
I’m still shooting a 2007 Drenalin and a 2012(?) Heli’m. I bought the Heli’m, in part, because of its weight. I did weigh it on an accurate scale right out of the box.
What Peco said !! ..... ;0)
It really depends on the bow and the year. I haven't taken the time to weigh the VXR yet. I would say it averages around 5 ounces to half a pound.
"What Peco said !! ..... ;0)"
What was it that he said...?
I said a few things on this thread. He may be referencing this:
"Resale value LOL, I'm not buying the bow for the next guy. I plan to use a bow for a long time, my current bow has been killing for 10 years. I'm an excellent shot, I don't need a new $1,500 top of the line model every year to kill deer."
Quote: "It really depends on the bow and the year. I haven't taken the time to weigh the VXR yet. I would say it averages around 5 ounces to half a pound,"
I'm going to suggest that you didn't weigh any of the Mathews models that I did.
Actually, I haven't taken any of your bow advice seriously since you claimed one of the largest, long term, most successful manufacturer's flagship bow was a "... junk, toy bow.." While at the same time gushing about a bow that you now claim hasn't changed engineering since 2003.
I suspect your sales tactics became a liability to Hoyt and they dumped you. Now jilted, you're looking for a new leading lady.
PECO - you do realize the most valuable use you ever get out of a new bow is the first time you take it home and shoot it in your backyard and the next is the first time hunting with it.
After that, it continues to lose value to both you and the "next guy" so the longer you keep it, the less valuable it becomes. When you do decide to get a new bow 10 years later, you pay full price plus CPI increase rates instead of just cycling through one every other year or two. Value is not only limited to dollar signs...
You lost me HDE, but if what you are saying is that by using the bow the first time you are taking the most value out of it then I get what you're saying.
If some salesman convinced you that you are better off buying new bows and cycling bows every couple years as opposed to buying a new one every 10 years then...well...I have a position in sales for that guy. That being said, if you derive joy from buying a new bow every year or every couple years, or even every month for that matter all the power to you. It's your money and no one can tell you how to spend it. If it's worth it to you, that's all that matters.
HDE, not me. I'm not tired of my bow and enjoy hunting and killing with it just as I did when it was new. It's also not of the big 3 and not top of the line. And I bought it at years end when the new models were coming out. You and the rest keep buying a new bow every year or two, and I'll look hard and last years model you are dumping when and if I get ready for a new compound. Until then I'll keep enjoying my Diamond Black Ice. Killing a deer with it this season just confirmed my love for the bow and that I do not want, or need a new one.
Ambush= Jealous hater. Period. Hoyt is the one that got "dumped", and for good reason. And if you knew anything about the technical side of archery you would know what I was referring to with regards to the 2003 comment: That was when the Cam and Half was introduced by Hoyt (Darton Patent) and that cam was a rotary mod design and done significantly better than the current iterations with up to 5 cam sizes to cover the draw range in some cases. Also the Cam and a Half has gone through several great versions of itself, including the best versions that were draw specific. Vector- Z3 etc... And MANY years of changeable specific draw mods with 3 cam sizes to cover the spectrum within. They HAVE NOW GONE BACK to the rotary mod design only using 2 cam sizes in some cases to cover the draw range. (Ridiculous) All for dealer convenience at the cost of tun-ability and performance for the customer. Pull your head out dude. I couldn't care less what you shoot/think if I tried... Keep drinking the koolaide and they will keep releasing the same bows with a new rubber stamp on 15 year old technology and up charging "idiots" for the same bow as last year... Or hold them accountable and see if we can get the great company Hoyt was back. Why don't you look through all the forums on the internet and tell me how many threads you see excited and raving about the new offerings from Hoyt? You will see pretty quick this was about the quietest "launch" of a bow line in history. Literally no one cares. There is just to many companies moving forward in technology that actually matters to the average joe hunter/tuner to mess with a 4 and half pound carbon bow for $1,700 dollars. But you shoot what you want, because I know damn well I will. And it won't be a rotary mod hybrid cam from the early 2000s on a heavy for no reason platform. Good shooting...
“Ambush= Jealous hater”
You’ll have to explain to me who I’m jealous of, who I hate and why you assume I know nothing about the tech side of bows.
Actually, I just read your rant about four times. With the ".. if you knew anything.." , "..pull your head out dude.." "..idiots.." and maybe my favourite bit of irony "..keep drinking the Koolaide.." , you don't have to answer my previous questions. At least not until you're over your period for the month.
You're a great snake oil salesman ELKMAN.
Bottom line, shoot what works for you. This coming from someone who does his killing with a 10 year old D350. BT still hasn't built a better bow than this.........
Hoyt got dumped because someone paid him more (or charged him less). He is a shill, nothing more and nothing less.
Yeah... Ignore all the information and facts, and just keep hating. I don't know why I even bothered to type it. Like I said above: "Shoot what you want, I know damn well I will"... Koolaide for everyone! (D350 is a great bow for sure, but shoot the Realm/Revolt and you will see that's not the case)
Why so much division? They all have the same function and as the years pass there are less and less differences as technology streamlines performance. I personally have PSE, Mathews, Elite, Bear, and Hoyt bows. I use them all every year and they take turns during hunting season when the field configuration calls for a compound.
Come to think about it I do not see this much debate over which brand / model is best when it comes to bow accessories.
"I don't know why I even bothered to type it."
Neither do the rest of us.
ELKMAN, you just don't get it. You're "The Boy That Cried HOYT!" (wolf).
Every year you come running into town screaming "HOYT, HOYT, all other bows are junk!!!" And now that they've dumped you, you expect everyone to just accept as gospel your new cry.
And even if you want to pump up whatever you get paid to pump, that's fine. But why the constant, shrill hiperbole against the rest? I mean seriously, why say stupid super exaggerated crap like ",,toy, junk bow.." or like above, "..not to mention the Expedition is worth about $10 bucks the second you walk out the door.." You sound like one of those real sleazy, used car salesman on a comedy show. "Yes ma'am, that knocking in the engine is one of the extra features in this fine model, and I'm gonna sell it to you for the price of the regular one."
And why is $1,700 for a bow so ridiculous this year when your line before was always ".. expensive yes, but you get what you pay for!"
As far as me drinking the koolaide, my two hunting bows are eleven and seven years old. And my last Hoyt still had those little round wheels. and teardrops.
Even your name ELKMAN, all capitals, is to draw attention and impress. Get over getting dumped and quit trying to brow beat everybody into believing your spin.
D350 yes. I also recently bought an SR6 and will use it as a backup. 350 is the better of the 2. It almost holds itself at full draw. The SR6 in performance mode, reminds me of the 82nd Airborne. Hard on the shoulders (draw cycle) and wants to go once you are at full draw.
"I don't know why I even bothered to type it"
Because you get compensated for it? Do you pay full retail for your bows?
Like I said: Ambush= Jealous Hater. (And Hoyt is absolutely NOT junk)
"ELKMAN, you just don't get it."
Ambush, you're spot on with this statement! He doesn't get it and he never will.
I always laugh at the threads about how tunable a bow is. It should not have to be messed with. Set it up make a couple rest adjustments and a new bow should be good to go. My last 3 bows a Hoyt Carbon Matrix, a Mathews ZXT and my new Traverse all shot bullet holes in minutes and other than switching strings never needed any tinkering to shoot way better than I am capable of. Shawn
Set up and tuned four Revolts so far and they are all coming in slightly above IBO and very forgiving to spine changes, which in my experience and testing equals very forgiving to shoot. I still don't have my personal bow yet, but from what I am seeing we are going to get along VERY well. (They are measuring about 1/4" over on draw, same as the Realms)