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Contributors to this thread:
ELKMAN 01-Nov-19
Ucsdryder 01-Nov-19
kota-man 01-Nov-19
kota-man 01-Nov-19
PECO 01-Nov-19
Franklin 01-Nov-19
JTV 01-Nov-19
JTV 01-Nov-19
BIG BEAR 01-Nov-19
kota-man 01-Nov-19
fubar racin 01-Nov-19
Jethro 01-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 01-Nov-19
midwest 01-Nov-19
Ucsdryder 01-Nov-19
carcus 01-Nov-19
Chasewild 01-Nov-19
Trophyhill 01-Nov-19
WapitiBob 03-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 03-Nov-19
Buglmin 03-Nov-19
carcus 03-Nov-19
LUNG$HOT 03-Nov-19
carcus 03-Nov-19
walks with a gimp 03-Nov-19
JL 03-Nov-19
Hawkeye 03-Nov-19
ELKMAN 04-Nov-19
ELKMAN 05-Nov-19
midwest 05-Nov-19
kota-man 05-Nov-19
KHNC 05-Nov-19
Suburbanhntr86 05-Nov-19
rattling_junkie 05-Nov-19
KHNC 05-Nov-19
LUNG$HOT 05-Nov-19
JL 05-Nov-19
ELKMAN 05-Nov-19
ELKMAN 05-Nov-19
kota-man 05-Nov-19
ELKMAN 05-Nov-19
WapitiBob 05-Nov-19
JL 05-Nov-19
WapitiBob 05-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 05-Nov-19
ELKMAN 06-Nov-19
KHNC 06-Nov-19
WapitiBob 06-Nov-19
Trophyhill 06-Nov-19
WapitiBob 06-Nov-19
Errorhead 06-Nov-19
KHNC 06-Nov-19
KHNC 06-Nov-19
BOHNTR 06-Nov-19
JL 06-Nov-19
KHNC 06-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 06-Nov-19
ELKMAN 08-Nov-19
fubar racin 08-Nov-19
skull 08-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 08-Nov-19
DConcrete 08-Nov-19
PECO 08-Nov-19
HDE 08-Nov-19
Elkslaya 09-Nov-19
carcus 09-Nov-19
woodguy65 09-Nov-19
ELKMAN 12-Nov-19
ELKMAN 14-Nov-19
kota-man 14-Nov-19
ELKMAN 16-Nov-19
kota-man 16-Nov-19
Matt 16-Nov-19
JTV 16-Nov-19
kota-man 16-Nov-19
kota-man 16-Nov-19
JTV 16-Nov-19
carcus 17-Nov-19
JTV 17-Nov-19
ELKMAN 18-Nov-19
From: ELKMAN
01-Nov-19
Absolutely amazing! They did exactly what I hoped they would do. Get ready!

From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-19
Cool story bro! You might as well have sent out a picture of the bow blurred out.

From: kota-man
01-Nov-19
I'm with nfuf on this one! :)

From: kota-man
01-Nov-19
Yep...I agree 110%! :) :) :) But how about those new Bowtechs nfuf?

From: PECO
01-Nov-19
nfuf, GF yourself

From: Franklin
01-Nov-19
nfuf said on the Bowtech already....

From: JTV
01-Nov-19
Now, if this troll would have mentioned the CF and politics and how crooked the dem's and their impeachment crap is, he'd have had his posts poofed by now ....... ;0)

From: JTV
01-Nov-19
wheres the mods when you need 'em .... Pat aint huntin', he dosnt have his gear yet and where is Phil ??

From: BIG BEAR
01-Nov-19
Nfuf.......... If you want your posts to stick around for awhile..... You might try asking for prayers for your dog that died.

From: kota-man
01-Nov-19
Who woulda thunk...I would've never taken nfuf as a Bowtech fan. Mathews maybe, but not Bowtech. :)

From: fubar racin
01-Nov-19
He seemed more a raven fully semiautomatic high capacity magnum string rifle fan to me.

From: Jethro
01-Nov-19
I don't mind taking advice on how to make a stronger position in today's competitive IT industry from a guy that can't compose a coherent sentence. But I'd never take his advice on which bow to shoot. ENUF said.

01-Nov-19
They still going to weigh as much as a Mathews...Doh! Lol...

Sorry, had too....

From: midwest
01-Nov-19
Rumor has it a Realm with deadlock. Including a 33" model I believe.

From: Ucsdryder
01-Nov-19
I just sold my bow. I’ll be on the hunt...but I’ll probably buy a 1 year old bow after everyone upgrades to new.

From: carcus
01-Nov-19
I got a unreal deal on a new realm sr6, i picked it up today at the post office, hopefully i will like it, i like my realmx.

From: Chasewild
01-Nov-19
I got a new bow too.

https://shop.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/metal-prep-coloring/paint-finishes/air-cure-aerosol-paints/magpul-fde-sku083002014-1117-138799.aspx?cm_mmc=PPC-_-Itwine-_-Google-_-083-002-014&gclid=Cj0KCQjw_5rtBRDxARIsAJfxvYARm_0e5nB91yC5qLd0Pjpq4rwKgaU1EV6GpqQwDGO8JU_DSTf_FxsaArm6EALw_wcB

From: Trophyhill
01-Nov-19
Ok Elkman. What exactly is it that you wanted them to do and where's the link?

From: WapitiBob
03-Nov-19

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Since it's all over the internet....

03-Nov-19
Photoshopped...Lol

From: Buglmin
03-Nov-19
Wayne Carlton has been posting pictures of it on Facebook

From: carcus
03-Nov-19
My future elk and moose bow!

From: LUNG$HOT
03-Nov-19
They’re really the only relevant bow company out there anymore! ;^)

From: carcus
03-Nov-19
Yep, so far ahead of the pack!

03-Nov-19
Hunt Hoyt or go home;-)

03-Nov-19
I'm liking the looks of that 2 piece quiver on it.

From: JL
03-Nov-19
So what's the big deal?

From: Hawkeye
03-Nov-19
Looks sharp. Anyone know the BH on the Revolt?

From: ELKMAN
04-Nov-19
Ike: Those are real photos

From: ELKMAN
05-Nov-19
These bows are amazing. I think people will actually prefer this draw cycle over the old cam. It has a smoother draw force curve through the back end and significantly more valley. These things tune in minutes with nothing more than an allen wrench.... Amazing

From: midwest
05-Nov-19
Does it come with that offset stabilizer and quiver?

From: kota-man
05-Nov-19
I'll be anxious to shoot this one as I did not care for the Reckoning Draw curve at all. Also, I want something between 6.5 and 7 for brace height. I'm currently shooting an SS and with heavy, winter clothes I notice a difference with the 6" brace. The Realm X pretty much hits my "dream specs" with a 6 3/4 brace and 33" a to a. If nothing "trips my trigger" with the new stuff this year, I'll go back to a Realm X this year.

From: KHNC
05-Nov-19
Elkman, How is it you had a chance to shoot this bow? Since it wont be released publicly until Friday the 8th. Are you a dealer that ignored the "confidential" part of the bow shipment? Or , do know a local dealer that ignored it? It does look like a very nice bow. I look forward to shooting one when they are available. Seems like people always want to "leak" something to feel important. Just my opinion.

05-Nov-19
Elk man has hoyts in his harvest photos! Lol. Troll else where

05-Nov-19
I will be getting one next October.

From: KHNC
05-Nov-19
"Elk man has hoyts in his harvest photos! Lol. Troll else where"

Are you saying i am trolling? IF so, you are highly mistaken. A legit question as I , along with a few others, would like to find the source of how this info was leaked.

From: LUNG$HOT
05-Nov-19
Lookout Casey! Sounds like the beginning of a new Impeachment inquiry is stirring.

From: JL
05-Nov-19
Kenny, a few posts up it says Wayne Carlton has been putting pics on FB. I know controversy sells to those easily drawn into the hype, but what is so confidential about a release date or a dealer shooting a new bow?

From: ELKMAN
05-Nov-19

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That's no Hoyt... LOL!

From: ELKMAN
05-Nov-19
And as far as posting about these bows here: There is NOTHING "I have" said or divulged here that is inappropriate in any way shape or form...

From: kota-man
05-Nov-19
My 2015 Trophy Photos show a Hoyt as well. If you base someone’s equipment affiliations with 4 year old photos, you may be sadly mistaken. In fact if you look at a pic of me from two weeks ago and assume where my equipment affiliations lie, you may be sadly mistaken. ;)

From: ELKMAN
05-Nov-19
Correct. I need to take a minute and post my last 3 seasons

From: WapitiBob
05-Nov-19
"A legit question as I , along with a few others, would like to find the source of how this info was leaked."

Tip #1, start with archery talk.

"I know controversy sells to those easily drawn into the hype, but what is so confidential about a release date or a dealer shooting a new bow?"

Some dealers were shown the new product a few weeks ago, by their reps, with shipments following. Those dealers and their staff shot the new product and were asked to keep information about the bow to themselves. Casey could have easily been included in a dealer showing/testing session with a rep.

From: JL
05-Nov-19
Bob....I default back to what is so confidential about this bow? That question maybe better directed to the manufacture. Maybe it's to align with a marketing campaign?? If so...I can see that to a point. However, this is along the lines of the new Mathews Lee Lakosky shot his big deer with on his thread from a few days ago....he couldn't show it. I think there is an element of creating a buzz or hype about the product via supposed "secrecy" by the manufacture. I guess I see humor in what I believe is feigned hype about a new bow.

From: WapitiBob
05-Nov-19
They have a social media rollout planned and I would guess they wanted the product kept under wraps in an effort to build excitement. All the companies are doing that now.

05-Nov-19
They all do it, as Bob said...Hoyt would pixelate or blur their bows that staff were prototyping on hunts...

From: ELKMAN
06-Nov-19
Again: Notice I never stated a bow name, any specs, and details with regards to changes in technology, or anything else that was to be "kept under wraps". I didn't post those photos either. I don't see a problem with them being posted here as they are all over the Internet at this point, but I didn't post them. I was simply stating how amazing they are, and that in my opinion it is worth getting excited about and checking out when they ARE released to the public. I absolutely love my Realm X, best pure hunting bow I have ever owned, but I will definitely be shooting one of these new ones this year... Nuff said

From: KHNC
06-Nov-19
I did see the thread on Archery Talk. Elkman is on AT as well. I was simply asking if he was the dealer that leaked the info early? There is/was a confidentiality request from the company about the new bows. Zeke(?) leaked the post on AT . I dont know who that is. Possibly, a friend of Elkman? He (Zeke) deliberately posted the bow with specs and information. And i have not seen anything related to Bowtech that Wayne Carlton has posted on facebook. Yes, a lot of companies do try an hype up a new bow release. It always seems like someone is determined to get all the info out early regardless. Anyway, it does seem like a nice bow to me as well! I have shot the Realm X the last two years and i will probably get this new one to hunt. I have a Reckoning and the cam adjustment systems is terrific.

From: WapitiBob
06-Nov-19

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Here you go .....

From: Trophyhill
06-Nov-19
Doesn't matter. The bows will be in local shops to test drive in a week or 2 anyway according to my local source. Then we will all know the name. I'll be test driving one myself.

Maybe it will be called the Reckoning X......

From: WapitiBob
06-Nov-19
Your dealer should have gotten them last week.

From: Errorhead
06-Nov-19
According to the link to YouTube above. If you do the math, that’s only 321IBO. It may be very tunable but once I get a bow tuned I never touch it again. Poundage, arrows, broadheads, all stay the same. It’s a nice feature but I’d rather have another 20 FPS myself.

From: KHNC
06-Nov-19
Thats probably with the comfort setting. The X will be faster than that IBO.

From: KHNC
06-Nov-19
Thanks Bob, i guess Man Bun Archery decided Friday was too far away. ;)

From: BOHNTR
06-Nov-19
It really doesn’t matter, boys.....they suck anyways! :). J/k

From: JL
06-Nov-19
Kenny, FWIW.....that guy on the vid posted this in the comments when someone else (Brandon U.) questioned him too.

"Brandon Urbaniak Right? Release was scheduled for Wednesday the 6th when Bowtech announced them at 10 am Pacfic time. Guess some people can’t read the attached notice with the bows! "

From: KHNC
06-Nov-19
Gotcha. At some point i guess they changed the release date til the 8th and didnt notify the dealers of the update. But, this seems like a pretty good review.

06-Nov-19
Weight man, weight...Did they shave any weight off?!?

From: ELKMAN
08-Nov-19
No the new one's are just slightly heavier. They feel exactly the same in hand, until you draw and release. These things are incredibly quiet and vibration free.

From: fubar racin
08-Nov-19
Well the specs are definitely more exciting to me than what the other companies have released so far.

From: skull
08-Nov-19
That’s exactly what I was looking for, BRACE HEIGHT 7 1/4"

08-Nov-19
Boat anchor weight, like Mathews...Least I can save my money! Do like the finish options though...

From: DConcrete
08-Nov-19
Can you get it in 80 lbs?

From: PECO
08-Nov-19
Held one in my hand today at the Archery shop, it felt heavy. I like the cam adjustment a lot. I did not shoot it. The Hoyt was right next to it. It felt better laying in the hand. I did not shoot it either. Also held a new Prime, weird bow with the double cam. Held the new PSE also. None of them felt amazing in hand, or looked amazing, or got me excited. I may have got excited if there was a left hand model in the store and I shot one. Not $1,000+ excited though.

From: HDE
08-Nov-19
For $1,200.00 I think maybe I'd pick up a 6.5 PRC instead. Not a bow, I know, but...

From: Elkslaya
09-Nov-19
They can keep it. I checked one out today. If I wanted a slow bow I’d buy a Mathews ;) I did put a small down payment on an SR 6 while I was down there though. :)

From: carcus
09-Nov-19
I wouldn't call the revolt X slow

From: woodguy65
09-Nov-19
"Thanks Bob, i guess Man Bun Archery decided Friday was too far away. ;) "

I think they are called Bitch Biscuits.

From: ELKMAN
12-Nov-19
Completely agree with Carcus. The Revolt X is anything but slow at 340 ibo at those dimensions/specs. (And it's a Bowtech so it will actually hit it's numbers unlike the new Hoyt and Mathews)

From: ELKMAN
14-Nov-19
The Revolt X is within 2 fps of the Realm X on a 28 inch draw all things equal. So I would put the speed of the Rev X at 343 ibo.

From: kota-man
14-Nov-19
I shot the Revolt X yesterday, next to my Realm X and SS. The Revolt X is VERY nice. A tuner/tinkers dream bow. Very smooth on the draw, no hand shock and almost identical speed wise to the others. For me, it was not worth a change, but that doesn't mean I won't end up with one. :) I'm very impressed with the technology on the cam system and it was much more "comfortable" to me vs. the Reckoning. (I hated the draw cycle on the Reckoning.) Between the Realm X and Revolt X, you are splitting hairs performance wise. If you are a tinkerer, the Revolt X is a dream.

From: ELKMAN
16-Nov-19
I would agree. Especially if you are a guy that is very meticulous about perfect broad head flight but do not want to spend hundreds on a press.

From: kota-man
16-Nov-19
Yeah...I already ordered one... ;)

From: Matt
16-Nov-19
You might have been the only one of us who didn't see that coming based on your previous post.

From: JTV
16-Nov-19
Look at the new 2020 Xpedition line up ... the Mountaineer X/33"/340 IBO is still there, but they now have the MX15 (32"-358-362 IBO-5" brace) and the MX16 (32"-348-352 IBO/6" brace) and a 34 inch speed bow called the DLX, a remake of their famous Denali at a IBO of 342-345 and the Escape a 30" shorty with a IBO of 348-352 ... kind blows away Mathews and Bowtech and Hoyt... dosnt it ...lol ... I will be shooting these this spring ... time for a new bow (maybe)... sorry Ally ..... if the $$ is there for me to do so ..... The DLX really interests me as does the Mountaineer X .... I only have to drive 200+ miles round trip to test them .... ;0(

From: kota-man
16-Nov-19
The only problem I have buying anything other than the “big 3” is resale value. While there are some great bows out there that aren’t one of the big 3, try to sell one used. Now, if you’re a guy that is going to own that bow for several years, go for it. I learned a long time ago, if I want to try new bows every year, it can’t be anything but Bowtech, Mathews or Hoyt.

From: kota-man
16-Nov-19
Matt’s a little crabby because he’s not on Kodiak...

From: JTV
16-Nov-19
I dont re-sell my bows and I dont trade 'em in ... I use 'em as long as I can, like my '06 Ally or my 4x4 Sonoma w/ 385K on it ..... the Bow is still killing critters and the truck keeps on trucking, albeit with a few replacement parts ;0)

From: carcus
17-Nov-19
The Xpedition's are fast but the riser is very reflexed, unlike the bowtech, even the SR6 has a deflex riser, at least they have one tunable yoke

From: JTV
17-Nov-19
yea, I wouldnt own another bow without at least a top yoke for tuning ... the adjustable cams (left/right) that Bowtech has is really a neat innovation ...

From: ELKMAN
18-Nov-19
Carcus has this right. There is a HUGE difference in riser geometry here and almost no performance difference in the "actual testing" between the two. Making the Bowtech FAR easier to shoot consistently, not to mention the Expedition is worth about $10 bucks the second you walk out the door with it, and much much more hand shock/vibration=noise in the Expedition bows.

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