Tight Spot Quivers
Mathews releases SHORT bows for 2020
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Contributors to this thread:
cnelk 12-Nov-19
fubar racin 12-Nov-19
Trial153 12-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter 12-Nov-19
PECO 12-Nov-19
skull 12-Nov-19
Michael 12-Nov-19
'Ike' (Phone) 12-Nov-19
12yards 12-Nov-19
stagetek 12-Nov-19
Skippy 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
kentuckbowhnter 12-Nov-19
skull 12-Nov-19
Pat Lefemine 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
Pat Lefemine 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
Pat Lefemine 12-Nov-19
cnelk 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
Skippy 12-Nov-19
Pat Lefemine 12-Nov-19
JL 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
stagetek 12-Nov-19
Pat Lefemine 12-Nov-19
Franklin 12-Nov-19
JTV 12-Nov-19
skull 12-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter 12-Nov-19
Dale06 12-Nov-19
bowhunter24 13-Nov-19
yooper89 13-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter 13-Nov-19
altitude sick 13-Nov-19
altitude sick 13-Nov-19
ELKMAN 14-Nov-19
altitude sick 14-Nov-19
WV Mountaineer 14-Nov-19
6x6 bull 14-Nov-19
Chasewild 15-Nov-19
BOWNBIRDHNTR 15-Nov-19
12yards 15-Nov-19
BOWNBIRDHNTR 15-Nov-19
ihookem 15-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter 15-Nov-19
drycreek 15-Nov-19
Ambush 15-Nov-19
WV Mountaineer 16-Nov-19
PECO 16-Nov-19
WV Mountaineer 16-Nov-19
JTV 16-Nov-19
Ambush 16-Nov-19
WV Mountaineer 16-Nov-19
The dream 16-Nov-19
krieger 16-Nov-19
BOWNBIRDHNTR 18-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter 18-Nov-19
From: cnelk
12-Nov-19

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Short stuff! See link

From: fubar racin
12-Nov-19
Newly designed lead risers too! Lol I’ll be shooting them in a few weeks I do actually kind of like the specs on the 31.5

From: Trial153
12-Nov-19
More retreads

12-Nov-19
Junk

From: PECO
12-Nov-19
"Our most stable and stealthy platform to date...."

From: skull
12-Nov-19
I was hoping they would have come up with a 7” brace height

12-Nov-19
Sure looks like they are copying Hoyt's technology. "Follow Them If We Can?"

From: Michael
12-Nov-19
The .22 lbs heavier 31.5” bow cost $100 more then the 28” bow.

12-Nov-19
Seems to be a trend...

From: 12yards
12-Nov-19
The Traverse would be the only one I'd be interested in although it's a little heavier than I like.

From: stagetek
12-Nov-19
Short bows. Short draw lengths, and they weight a ton !

From: Skippy
12-Nov-19
Has anybody shot one? None of the reviews say anything about the valley or back wall. I shoot a z7 extreme and like it, but the valley is non existent and back wall is not solid. When I up grade I wanna bow that will address these two issues

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
nope, nope and never do I/ would I ever purchase such a shot bow, let alone a Mathews .... a bare minimum of 32" and prefer longer and with a tad of weight for stabilization .... ..........

12-Nov-19
lots of haters but mathews will sell a huge amount of these and make millions no matter what you say.

From: skull
12-Nov-19
Here we go again another one Kentuckbowhnter Because someone express their opinion that make you a hater?

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Nov-19

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I spent the last 3 weeks with it. Never did understand how people who have never shot, or even seen the bow (since it was released today) can trash it. Always seems silly to me. BTW - the bow was terrific and we did an honest review of it. Better than Triax in most regards, and equal to Vertix in everything except draw cycle which was a little sharper than the Vertix but that's' because the Vertix is longer. I also tend to like a longer bow, but I have to be honest - the last two 28" A2A, 6" BH bows have been fun to shoot and did not magnify any form issues at all. I really shot it well.

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
Dosnt matter WHAT I say, it is what 'I' will do ............. and it wont be to purchase a short A to A bow ... no matter who makes it ...

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Nov-19
I don't disagree with you. I would have said the same thing until I shot the Triax and the VXR is a big step up from the Triax. To each his own.

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
any Idea what the string angle is ... dependent on the size of the cam, some short A to A bows draw and feel longer than what they are ... but for me, it is the stabilization of a bow and why longer A to A bows feel better in many hands ... you wont see a Pro 3D shooter competing with a 28" bow nor will you see the top end indoor spot shooters using one .... it very well may be a good hunting bow for some, esp those with shorter draw lengths ... wont know till one shoots it ...

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Nov-19
No idea what the angle is - probably steep. My draw is not long (27) so I can shoot them just fine. If I had a 30" draw it would likely be a non-starter. It's perfect for tight stands and ground blinds. My Iowa buck required that I twist around the tree and If the bow was 30" I doubt I would have pulled it off.

From: cnelk
12-Nov-19
And you won’t see Pro 3D shooters or top end indoor spot shooters in my heavily timbered elk woods with their babies.

I have never owned a Mathews bow, only shot them sparingly. But these have piqued my interest for sure.

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
I'm a full 30 inch draw ... sooooo ..... ;0) .. it is 'prolly a great bow, just not for us longer Dl guys .. hope you continue to shoot it well,. so far you have .. ;0) ... my future rigs will be a min of 32" and preferred 33"-35" A to A for hunting ... Ive read where 29" is the average draw length .. does this new bow fit into to that ?? it seems like it may ....

From: Skippy
12-Nov-19
Pat, I read your review I did not see where you mentioned anything about the valley or the back wall. Thanks

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Nov-19
Oh, and I have 3 blood trail challenges filmed. First one will run in December.

From: JL
12-Nov-19
That 28" bow has a max DL of 30". I think the other one that was 31.5" had a 31" DL. With long arms, I'd have some wall issues with that 28" bow.

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
Looking forward to the BT Challenges... get some more on film ... go kill a Doe or two ... ;0)

From: stagetek
12-Nov-19
I have an honest 31.5" draw. The VXR may very well be the best shooting bow ever produced...but not for guys with 31.5" draw lengths !!

From: Pat Lefemine
12-Nov-19
Agreed. Definitely not for guys with long arms.

From: Franklin
12-Nov-19
I have long arms but a shorter draw length. Many archers are using too long of a draw length....they`re using their ear as an anchor point....

From: JTV
12-Nov-19
heck, many dont know their 'exact' draw length/draw weight, arrow length/arrow spine/arrow weight/fps/mo or ke .... and they vote (sarcasm intended) .. ;0)

From: skull
12-Nov-19
You got that right JTV, I personally know guys that practice with 100gr field point then they go out and hunt with 125gr broadheads

12-Nov-19
27” draw here. Would like to see some longer shots, these short ata bows are good 40 and under. Out past 40 Idkno. Hard to beat my prime! What’s the price tag on these?

From: Dale06
12-Nov-19
I’ve used Mathews for quite a few years. They made good bows and I suppose still, do, so. But I have zero interest in a 28” ATA bow. I just bought a 34” ATA, but a different brand.

From: bowhunter24
13-Nov-19
27 inch draw here as well. Pat the shoulder bug bit me so I am down to the 50 lb Triax and the jerky tastes the same as from the 32 inch Switchback. In fact no one complained about the jerky in St. Louis at the Pope and Young meet and greet!

From: yooper89
13-Nov-19
I’d hate to be the guy to shoot a WR with a 28” ATA and have Pope and young scorers laugh me out of the room.

Truth be told the shortest bow I’ve shot is 32” so I couldn’t tell you how I like them.

13-Nov-19
What’s the price?.......

13-Nov-19
The 31.5” VXR has a longer riser than the 35” Halon. (Past parallel limbs)

Different geometry and bridge design (rigid) quiet.

So since the aiming steadiness comes from riser length. Not ATA length. We need to rethink old standard beliefs.

13-Nov-19
Retail Price is $1000 for 28” and $1100 for the 31.5” In a few months it should be $850.

From: ELKMAN
14-Nov-19
Soooo cute. And they kept it under 5 pounds. (At least on paper) LMAO! ;-)

14-Nov-19
Yeah. Unfortunately Long risers add weight

Long risers are where the accuracy comes from. Not long ATA.

So as they shrink the overall length with parallel and past parallel limbs.

The weight goes up. But so does forgiveness.

Short risers with longer limbs are lighter. And have longer ATA. But are not as accurate or forgiving.

Nothing is free in engineering

14-Nov-19
Finally, the only bow company out there has spoken. With field leading innovation and design, it leaves its competition in the dust. A real bow. For real men.

From: 6x6 bull
14-Nov-19
It always amazes me that someone will complain how heavy a certain bow is but when you check the weight of their favorite bow brand it is only a few ounces lighter! That same person will then stick on a 12" stabilizer on the front and a 8" side bar stabilizer, a all metal slider sight and a 6 arrow quiver on the bow!

From: Chasewild
15-Nov-19
How do you measure whether a bow holds better?

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
15-Nov-19
Personally I like a heavier bow and I like several Mathews bows.. Yes, I put on an extended slider, heavy stabilizer and a quiver full of arrows. The great thing about this country is we have so many choices. I think if we all had shoot the exact same thing it would be pretty boring...plus Bigwoodshunter would have to shoot the same "junk" I do and really have no reason to be so degrading towards my choices.

From: 12yards
15-Nov-19
Chasewild, it is measured by your personal hair covered computer (assuming it is hair covered, some are solar powered).

15-Nov-19
Bird,

If we all had to shoot Hoyts there WOULD be nothing to complain about;-)

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
15-Nov-19
HW, I'd try or shoot a Hoyt and several others anytime. I've just had good experiences with most of my Mathews bows and haven't had a reason to switch. Was even thinking about a Hoyt because I was looking to increase my poundage to 80....but might settle for 75 and stick with Mathews.

I have no problem telling anyone that I personally like Mathews, but I have no reason to bash every other brand as some like to do. Not pointing at you HW, just the ones that declare everything they don't personally like to then be junk.

15-Nov-19
Bird,

I am actually kidding around. These bow threads are like the baiting threads. Two two Matthew bows I owned were excellent. To each their own.

15-Nov-19
Bird,

I am actually kidding around. These bow threads are like the baiting threads. Two two Matthew bows I owned were excellent. To each their own.

From: ihookem
15-Nov-19
Good evening everyone. I just got my Mathews Avail in and was wondering what you all thought of it. I have a short drawling of 24.5" so I am very limited. I could have bought a Triax but the dealer said I will not be happy taking a Triax down to 24.5" and would loose a lot of speed. He went on to say the Avail is already set up for a shorter draw length . I went to another Mathews shop and the owner got me set up with a Triax to try out. My bow shot my arrows at 232 and 228 fps. with 2 different arrows @ 59 lbs. My bow is a Mission Endeavor and had original string. The Triax with same arrows @ 55 lbs / 25" draw was only 6 fps faster. Although, it was 4 lbs less pull weight , it was 1/2" longer draw. I was very disappointed in the Triax to say the least and felt bad that I walked out without a new bow order. I went back to the other dealer that recommended a Mathews Avail . Do you think the Avail will be a faster and better bow?

15-Nov-19
Give it a few months of shooting daily before the limbs crack or delaminates. Past parallel limbs are junk

From: drycreek
15-Nov-19
That’s why they make Fords and Chevys, and .......(gulp) ....Dodges.

From: Ambush
15-Nov-19
Bigwoodshunter. Why don’t you just go on every thread and post that everybody is stupid. Save yourself some time and others the trouble of reading your nonsense.

16-Nov-19
Mathews is the only bow company. Only. No other deserves the recognition. None. They are all junk except Mathews. Real men shoot ‘em. The rest are transgenders or, at least gender confused. That’s why Mathews are so fast. They don’t want the rest to catch them even if they could. Be a man men. Shoot the only mans bow out there.

From: PECO
16-Nov-19
As far as speed, PSE blows Mathews away. As far as being a man, don't let any fanboys tell you what to shoot.

16-Nov-19
Lol Justin.

16-Nov-19
I’m trying Frank. :*)

16-Nov-19
I know. Hope your season is going well.

From: JTV
16-Nov-19
Look at the new 2020 Xpedition line up ... the Mountaineer X/33"/340 IBO is still there, but they now have the MX15 (32"-358-362 IBO-5" brace) and the MX16 (32"-348-352 IBO/6" brace) and a 34 inch speed bow called the DLX, a remake of their famous Denali at a IBO of 342-345 and the Escape a 30" shorty with a IBO of 348-352 ... kind blows away Mathews and Bowtech and Hoyt... dosnt it ...lol ... I will be shooting these this spring ... time for a new bow (maybe)... sorry Ally ..... if the $$ is there for me to do so ..... The DLX really interests me as does the Mountaineer X .... I only have to drive 200+ miles round trip to test them .... ;0)

From: Ambush
16-Nov-19
I don’t think any bow blows away any other bow these days. Decide your performance priorities and buy accordingly. NO bow has it all.

16-Nov-19
With a name like Mountaineer, I personally expect nothing but great things from that bow. Only problem is, Mathews bows last year were the only ones shooting their claimed IBO speeds aCcording to independent testing on the internet. So, I’m guessing that is going to be the case this year. No matter how bad that chaps some.

I’ve been joking around this whole thread. But, that last paragraph was serious. :^)

From: The dream
16-Nov-19
I have a triax. Thing shoots great best bow in my measly 30 years hunting. Told myself I'd hate short ax to ax. I was wrong.

Just sayn

From: krieger
16-Nov-19
From what I can tell the VXR riser is longer than the Traverse. String angle won't be that much different. Looks like a solid offering to me.

16-Nov-19
Justin,

You are correct...real men shoot Matthews.

Semi-gods shoot Hoyt.

:-)

From: BOWNBIRDHNTR
18-Nov-19
Shot the 31.5 VXR this weekend. The store had just gotten it in and threw on a whisker biscuit and a string loop. I'm not looking for a new bow but I was really impressed. Really hope they don't have it fully set up and tuned the next time I stop by....lol. Of course if I wait a month it will be delaminating and ready for the trash can, right bigwood?

18-Nov-19
Absolutely. Mathews is over advertised, why the bows are so much. Buy a prime n you’ll never go back

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