Black Gold Sights
Cant shot peep
Equipment
Contributors to this thread:
bghunter 09-Dec-19
SixLomaz 09-Dec-19
MtnHunter 09-Dec-19
Franklin 09-Dec-19
GF 09-Dec-19
WapitiBob 09-Dec-19
Medicinemann 10-Dec-19
bghunter 10-Dec-19
craigmcalvey 10-Dec-19
Oryx35 10-Dec-19
drycreek 10-Dec-19
bghunter 10-Dec-19
Cheetah8799 10-Dec-19
Franklin 10-Dec-19
timex 10-Dec-19
bghunter 10-Dec-19
Kodiak 10-Dec-19
GF 10-Dec-19
JohnMC 10-Dec-19
Bowfreak 10-Dec-19
Grey Ghost 10-Dec-19
MtnHunter 10-Dec-19
SixLomaz 11-Dec-19
Boatman71 11-Dec-19
x-man 11-Dec-19
Grey Ghost 11-Dec-19
itshot 11-Dec-19
PredatorFromAbove 25-Dec-19
From: bghunter
09-Dec-19
So I have a friend who because of medical reason cannot shoot a peep due to sights being blurry. Long story short they have an eye condition that cannot be fixed by lasik or wearing glasses and Dr has been able to correct his condition as best as they can with hard contacts, and they dont want to risk a corneal transplant.

Anyone have any options? Such as red dots that are used on handguns and rifles?

I understand it not as traditional as some would like. However it is either that or possible switch to crossbow with a scope, which they do not want to do.

From: SixLomaz
09-Dec-19
Can you friend see the target clearly? How far in front of the eyes does he see blurry?

From: MtnHunter
09-Dec-19
Are the sights blurry when not looking through a peep?

From: Franklin
09-Dec-19
There are 1000`s of archers who don`t use a peep sight. You don`t need one to kill animals with a bow. Maybe clarify the post.

From: GF
09-Dec-19
A lot of us don’t use any sights at all!

Can’t use a peep? So what?? A kisser button is just fine for normal bow hunting range. But a red dot sight might work well also… Kind of up to him and how much he is willing to put into it

From: WapitiBob
09-Dec-19
If his close vision is blurring his pins, a red dot isn’t going to fix it. If he’s getting halo he might try blue, that color has the least halo of the fiber pin colors. A verifier peep clears up the pins but the target can be blurry.

From: Medicinemann
10-Dec-19
Hopefully Genesis or Hawkeye will chime in......they are both eye doctors, as well as accomplished archers.

From: bghunter
10-Dec-19
From the way they explain it, both the target and the sight is blurry as their vision cannot be corrected any further to clear it up. When they shoot competition pistol or rifle there are no issues as they shoot both eyes open with a red dot which basically fixes the problem. How does one shoot with just a kisser button and no peep? I ask as since I was 16 all the archery shops around here have set my bow up with a peep, so never thought that as an option and sounds like something that may work for him. I just wasnt aware of it.

From: craigmcalvey
10-Dec-19
Have they tried to shoot their bow with both eyes open? I do using a peep and have no issues

From: Oryx35
10-Dec-19
A bow sight does not require a peep sight for accuracy; it just requires consistent form. Case in point, peep sights are not used in Olympic archery setups. A kisser, often used on Olympic style bows, helps with anchor consistency, much like a peep sight.

From: drycreek
10-Dec-19
A bunch of us killed deer with no peep, no kisser button, and sights that were just brass pins. Lined the blurry bow string up with the damn near invisible pins, always anchored with my middle finger tip in the corner of my mouth. I was good to 20 yards with that for several years. Been a long time ago, but might could still do it with a little practice. I’m not anxious to find out though....

From: bghunter
10-Dec-19
Oryx35,

That might just be what they need.

From: Cheetah8799
10-Dec-19
I have not used a peep sight for many years now. Instead I simply use a brass nock as a kisser button to help ensure consistent anchor point.

From: Franklin
10-Dec-19
I must be missing something....I shoot a peep with both eyes open and I shoot without a peep both eyes open.

From: timex
10-Dec-19
id sudjest trying without a peep & perhaps a kisser button I shot a compound with fingers & no peep or kisser for 20 years I could bust arrows at 20 shoot 3" groups @ 30 & 4" @ 40 during that time we did a lot of deer drives & it was automatic I shot 3 under I got my index in the corner of my mouth & everything was right there no settling in or centering a peep yes my accuracy suffered a little but at reasonable bow hunting distances not enough to concern me

From: bghunter
10-Dec-19
Franklin,

They have tried the peep both eyes open and had some issues with consistency. Seems like everyone has been mentioning a kisser button and they may be the best suggestion to them.

From: Kodiak
10-Dec-19
Kisser button or go instinktor.

From: GF
10-Dec-19
“How does one shoot with just a kisser button and no peep? “

Well, the same way you use it WITH a peep.... but without it ;)

Seems to work OK for the Olympians. LOL

Laughing WITH you, not AT you. Funny how you see things as they are and we forget to ask how they got there, but it’s usually step-by-step.

Truth is, if you have a solid anchor, there’s no need for ANY kind of sights because your arrow is either pointed where you want to hit or it isn’t.

Helpful Hint: if it isn't, you’re gonna miss.

If it IS aligned, it doesn’t matter how you keep track of where it’s pointed - you can have a brass pin, a range-compensating red dot, or rely on hand-eye coordination to make sure that your bow-hand is pointed where your dominant eye is looking.

Any form of front sight is just a stand- in for the arrow, And all a rear sight does is to confirm a consistent anchor.

From: JohnMC
10-Dec-19
There was a site on the market a few years back that had a "crosshair" gadget a several inches behind the site to line up with pins instead of using a peep. Forget what it was called and never really took off but might work for you.

From: Bowfreak
10-Dec-19
There is that contraption called the EZ-V sight. I'm not a fan of it but many guys switch to it and like it. I would think you wouldn't need near as precise vision to use it. Also....if he is shooting with his dominant eye he should shoot with both eyes open.

From: Grey Ghost
10-Dec-19
Bg,

Is your friend’s condition called karatoconus, by chance? If so, urge him to see a doc who specializes in it. I have it, and had 3 different eye docs fail to diagnose it. I thought I was going to have to live with 20-80 vision. Finally I found a doc who immediately recognized my condition. He prescribed a special contact lens that corrects for karatoconus. They’re expensive, but I’d pay triple the price for them to enjoy the 20-20 vision that I now have.

Matt

From: MtnHunter
10-Dec-19
That was gonna be my suggestion. Use a kisser and no peep. The kisser is just another anchor point. So for instance use kisser and tip of nose for anchor points and no peep. I shot that way for years. And shoot with both eyes open, the dominant will take over.

From: SixLomaz
11-Dec-19
Ok people ... just to make this clear. Kiss and peep is the consensus among hunters.

From: Boatman71
11-Dec-19
JohnMC I believe it was called a HindSight

From: x-man
11-Dec-19
Both eyes should be open regardless of the shooting aids.

I don't believe there is any condition that would not allow a person to see through a 5/16" peep. Unless maybe that person has a short axle to axle bow with a steep string angle.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Dec-19
The OP contacted me to say his friend's condition is in fact karatoconus. It's a genetic disease that causes the cornea to thin and bulge into a cone shape. I have the same disease. I'm legally blind in both eyes without correction. 20-80 was the best the docs could do with standard correction methods (contacts and eye glasses). Karatoconus definitely makes it difficult, if not impossible, to see clearly thru a peep.

The 4th doc I saw finally diagnosed my condition. He prescribed Synergeyes contacts for me. They are a cross between hard and soft lenses specifically designed to address karatoconus. I've enjoyed 20-20 vision for over a decade since. No longer do I fight with a fuzzy sight picture thru my peep. The halos around every light are gone. I can actually read street signs before I'm right on top of them. Nearly every facet of my life has improved thanks to the wonders of modern technologies like Synergeyes. It's truly been life changing for me.

I can't urge the OP's friend enough to find a doc who is familiar with karatoconus, and can get the proper correction that will surely help his condition.

Matt

From: itshot
11-Dec-19

itshot's Link
link is from 10 yrs ago, i've had the synergeyes for last 8yrs thanks to info posted by GG

had to find right doc with experience fitting them... life changing is right!

hope your friend finds good results somewhere without messing with his bow setup, keep us posted

25-Dec-19

PredatorFromAbove's Link
Peep eliminator works great

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