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Wyoming Draw
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
SBH 24-Dec-19
Bowfreak 24-Dec-19
sticksender 24-Dec-19
SBH 24-Dec-19
PushCoArcher 24-Dec-19
WapitiBob 24-Dec-19
nmwapiti 24-Dec-19
Bowfreak 25-Dec-19
sticksender 25-Dec-19
Mule Power 25-Dec-19
Jaquomo 25-Dec-19
Billyvanness 25-Dec-19
Billyvanness 25-Dec-19
map1 25-Dec-19
Adam B 25-Dec-19
Grunt-N-Gobble 25-Dec-19
NoWiser 25-Dec-19
WapitiBob 25-Dec-19
elkstabber 26-Dec-19
SBH 26-Dec-19
WapitiBob 26-Dec-19
Mule Power 26-Dec-19
jingalls 26-Dec-19
Sivart 26-Dec-19
Mule Power 26-Dec-19
WapitiBob 26-Dec-19
Hoot 27-Dec-19
Z Barebow 27-Dec-19
pirogue 27-Dec-19
Huntcell 27-Dec-19
NoWiser 27-Dec-19
Huntcell 27-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 27-Dec-19
Huntcell 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
Z Barebow 28-Dec-19
Lost Arra 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
NoWiser 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
NoWiser 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
NoWiser 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
Lost Arra 28-Dec-19
Lost Arra 28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 28-Dec-19
Adam B 29-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 29-Dec-19
Mule Power 29-Dec-19
wyobullshooter 29-Dec-19
Mule Power 29-Dec-19
From: SBH
24-Dec-19
Looks like it opens in a week! I know there was a post on here earlier this year but I couldn't round up the thread. How many guys drew general last year with 2 pts? Do you think that will get it done this year?

From: Bowfreak
24-Dec-19
2 Pts. special should get you a tag. It will probably take close to 3 points to draw regular general.

From: sticksender
24-Dec-19
It will be interesting to watch, but if I had to take a wild guess, I'd guess NR demand will be slightly lower this year, making it somewhat easier to draw. With the new early-deadline/late-results format, it's gonna be more difficult to plan for multiple state draws to include Wyoming. Meaning that more guys may be forced to just buy a point later for Wyoming, instead of applying early. Will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

From: SBH
24-Dec-19
I was thinking the same think Sticksender.

From: PushCoArcher
24-Dec-19
The odds are not going to get better it'll take 3 points to be a sure thing.

From: WapitiBob
24-Dec-19
2019 had the largest increase in Elk point purchases since the nr draw started. Application demand has also never dropped. Demand is going up, odds are going down.

From: nmwapiti
24-Dec-19
I drew last year with one in the special, but I had to be a little lucky. Guessing it will take 2 next time to be sure.

From: Bowfreak
25-Dec-19
I don't see how demand would do anything but go up. Knowing you can delete an application so late makes it even more enticing now.

From: sticksender
25-Dec-19
bowfreak, I guess it depends on what other states you put your hopes into each year. For me, the change in WY will make a significant difference in my overall application strategy. In the past, one could apply in WY and know those results before deciding what to do in CO, NM, UT, NV, ID, and others. Not to mention consideration given to other species and how those apps/hunts affect the fall agenda. Now that benefit isn't there any more. Personally, I won't apply for Elk in WY this year. I'll just give it a year or two to see how it all shakes out. But who knows, I might be the rare person doing so. I'll be checking back in late May once draw stats are posted, to see what happened.

From: Mule Power
25-Dec-19
NMwapiti... I’m pretty sure if you only had 1 point and you drew it had nothing to do with your point. You pulled a tag in the random. I had a friend draw in the regular with zero points.

I don’t know wapitibob.... the way I see it every hunter who draw an elk license somewhere else before May 8 is one less applicant. That has to help odds... or at least keep them from dropping.

I sincerely wish the best of luck to everyone applying in other states.

From: Jaquomo
25-Dec-19
Believe it was around 20% with 2 points last year (regular draw).

25-Dec-19
Personally I’m most likely not going to apply for elk in Wyoming this year due to the later results. Going in with real opportunity in a couple other states and don’t want the surprise in late May. If we found out in late February I’d probably apply because I could adjust my strategy. Just my current state of mind.

25-Dec-19
I will draw deer and antelope and give em some money for those tags.

From: map1
25-Dec-19
Didn't draw general regular elk in 2018 with 3 points did draw this year with 4. If you have 2 points go special not sure if your guaranteed.

From: Adam B
25-Dec-19
You did not “not” draw general with 3 points in 2018.

25-Dec-19
What is the approx cost for regular and special? I remember reading 700+ and 1300+

Think 4pts in the regular will do it without going special?

From: NoWiser
25-Dec-19
It’s impossible that you didn’t draw in 2018 with 3 points. You either made a mistake or applied with someone who brought your group average down. 4 should be a safe bet in the regular draw this year.

From: WapitiBob
25-Dec-19
A lot of people think the point is awarded before the draw, or sometimes don't know how many they actually have.

From: elkstabber
26-Dec-19
I know that I have 0 (because I drew in 2019) so I'll try for a random. Nothing to lose in this situation.

From: SBH
26-Dec-19
Seems like they post the points you have going into the draw kinda late. I thought I had 2 when I checked earlier this fall, just checked a week ago and I have 3. I did buy one this summer but couldn't remember where that put me. I'm thinking I'm solid to draw general with 3?

From: WapitiBob
26-Dec-19
Points are updated in Nov, after the point only purchase period ends.

From: Mule Power
26-Dec-19
Yep it takes quite awhile for a point to show up especially if you jumped right on it in July.

Bob... there goes another hunter passing on Wyoming. T

From: jingalls
26-Dec-19
I’m buying another point for this year. Two big hunts already planned. I think this will make 7 or 8 points for 2020. Thinking I’ll use them for 2021 if I’m lucky enough to draw? Late May notification is a problem for planning especially if you live a couple of states away!

From: Sivart
26-Dec-19
What was their reason for delaying the draw results anyway????

From: Mule Power
26-Dec-19
To wait for the spring counts to be taken so seasons and license quotas to be set before the drawing.

From: WapitiBob
26-Dec-19

WapitiBob's Link
Jennifer talks about the season dates at 3:54. Discussion starts at 4:11

From: Hoot
27-Dec-19
Last years changes to the points where they didn’t award a point automatically if you didn’t draw, you still had to buy the point in the summer/fall, was a big turn off to me, I am not applying in Wyoming this year....

From: Z Barebow
27-Dec-19
Every state has its application and research nuances. No state is the same as another. Learn and play within the rules of the sandbox. And once you learn the rules, know they are subject to change.

It would really be nice of tons of folks took their ball and went home. But I am not holding my breathe. The supply will ALWAYS be out weighed by demand in Wyoming. (I suspect the state could charge 2K for an NR elk tag and they would still likely would not outrun demand. ) Good luck!

From: pirogue
27-Dec-19
Several scenarios to think about this year. Maybe less special price tag apps as some may not like their money being held for so long. Maybe more regular price apps as you can fall back on WY, if no luck in other states. And as other states draw, many of those successful will drop WY, making an overall decrease in apps per available tag.

From: Huntcell
27-Dec-19
Wyoming should follow Arizona’s lead and give another point for loyalty after say 6 years, and grant a permanent point if one does in state hunter safety, could also tweak it a bit, by charging a one time fee for each accrued point per species. $$$$$

loyalty point for sheep $25, moose $25, elk $15, deer $10, antelope $5. $$$ka-ching$$$ Hunter safety point for sheep $25, moose $25, elk $15, deer $10, antelope $5. $$$ka-ching ka-ching$$$

From: NoWiser
27-Dec-19
Huntcell, that doesn’t solve anything.

From: Huntcell
27-Dec-19
Sure does gives guys a chance to jump ahead in point year class or two that can be a game changer for guys and incentive for others to keep in the game and is a couple more revenue streams for fish and games that’s even bigger. Especially if it’s applied to residents as well as non residents .

Game and fish has got to get the financial department up to speed to bring in the operating cash. Creativity in revenue streams.

Another one is auction high demand tags directly by the Department. Selling sept logos on cups and t-shirts only brings in so much.

Should look into being a credit card sponsor and skim some of that back into the G&F coffers.

27-Dec-19
“Especially if it’s applied to residents as well as non residents.”

There isn’t a preference point system for residents.

From: Huntcell
28-Dec-19
Well there ya go another revenue stream to open up.

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28-Dec-19
It won’t happen, at least not in the foreseeable future. The proposal didn’t even make it out of committee in last year’s legislature.

From: Z Barebow
28-Dec-19
As a NR in WYO, it is nice to hear resident PP system was shot down. A pure PP system is the biggest sucker game their is. (Exhibit A-Colorado). The only folks who are for PP system are ones who feel as though they have been slighted by "lady luck", are envious of their "buddy" who has drawn multiple times, and only are looking out for there own self interest. Look at Unit 2 archery Colorado. How many folks (resident and non resident) are chasing this unit thinking they are "due"?

From: Lost Arra
28-Dec-19
>>A pure PP system is the biggest sucker game<< Yep but Wyoming residents still couldn't resist for moose and sheep. The whole pp system in any state is stupid.

28-Dec-19
^^^^ Please explain your “Yep but Wyoming residents still couldn’t resist for moose and sheep” comment. Apparently we weren’t supposed to ever apply for moose or sheep?

From: NoWiser
28-Dec-19
Selfish and shortsighted are two other adjectives that would describe many of those in favor of preference point systems.

28-Dec-19
Great job of Monday morning quarterbacking there, NoWiser. However, now that we’re 25 years into the PP system, what’s your solution? Obviously, for those that entered the game late, it’s understandable they would feel it’s selfish and shortsighted. OTOH, I’m certain the opinion of those that have been in the game for awhile would be quite different. So again, what’s your solution now that we’re 25 years in?

From: NoWiser
28-Dec-19
I’m referencing the suggestion that Wyoming residents switch to a preference point system for deer, elk, and lope. We now know the consequences of these schemes and I question the motives of anyone who is still in favor of expanding them to other draws. As for a solution, throw everyone’s points in the garbage and go back to a random draw. Next best would be to convert preference points to straight-up bonus points.

28-Dec-19
So, your solution is to put those that haven’t invested anything on the same playing field as those that have 25 years invested? Sorry, I’m not a fan of Socialism.

I agree that it sucks for those that are penalized simply because of when they were born, but it would suck even more to screw the ones that have many years invested.

From: NoWiser
28-Dec-19
Once again, my initial comment was referencing those wanting new preference point systems where there are none currently. You asked for how I’d fix the broken systems and I told you. I’m not getting into the preference point debate that’s been hashed out 100 times on every hunting forum.

28-Dec-19
If your initial comment was referencing new PP systems, it would have been helpful had you said so. We’ll just agree to disagree on a solution to fix the problem with those already in existence.

From: Lost Arra
28-Dec-19
wyobullshooter: poor sentence structure for me but I do not understand why residents have a preference point system for moose and sheep. It can't be money for G&F because the points are cheap. My buddy (resident) finally drew a year ago with max points (20 something). Fortunately he's a tough 70+ year old and got his ram.

From: Lost Arra
28-Dec-19
And you are correct. There is no way out once the system is in place.

28-Dec-19
Lost Arra, thanks for clarifying. The reason we have a PP system for sheep and moose is because 25 years ago, it sounded like a good idea. Instead of possibly never drawing a tag, it provided a path to draw one in the future. I don’t think anyone ever envisioned the monster it would turn into. I was fortunate enough to draw my moose tag back in 2009. I truly feel for the youngsters that will more than likely never be able to enjoy that experience.

From: Adam B
29-Dec-19
Doesn’t matter what’s fair or not eventually it will have to go away. Won’t be able to meet harvest objectives when all the tag holders are using a walker or in a wheel chair.

29-Dec-19
^^^^ Not true. Ever look at the number of applicants vs quotas? If a tag holder isn’t able to hunt, there will be plenty more that are ready, willing, and able to take his/her place.

Every year there’s always WAY more added into the equation than are removed. That’s how it morphed into this monster in the first place.

From: Mule Power
29-Dec-19
I want a loyalty point every year for sending my money to Wyoming and not applying anywhere else. I don’t save those points anyway. I’m a hunter not a dreamer or one to play the game all over the country. Just tell me what my general license is going to cost and hand it over.

29-Dec-19
“Just tell me what my general license is going to cost and hand it over”. They already have that in place, Mule. It’s call a resident general elk license. Sorry, I couldn’t resist!

;-)

From: Mule Power
29-Dec-19
I’m available for adoption.... dad. Lol

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