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Wildlife Officials Confirm Wolves in CO
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Contributors to this thread:
Zbone 21-Jan-20
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Pop-r 21-Jan-20
RK 21-Jan-20
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Glunt@work 21-Jan-20
RK 21-Jan-20
wkochevar 21-Jan-20
Paul@thefort 21-Jan-20
TreeWalker 22-Jan-20
Grey Ghost 22-Jan-20
Kevin Dill 22-Jan-20
cnelk 22-Jan-20
Kevin Dill 22-Jan-20
Paul@thefort 22-Jan-20
TrapperKayak 22-Jan-20
Grey Ghost 22-Jan-20
lawdy 22-Jan-20
kentuckbowhnter 22-Jan-20
TrapperKayak 22-Jan-20
HH 22-Jan-20
sticksender 22-Jan-20
Grey Ghost 22-Jan-20
Jaquomo 22-Jan-20
Glunt@work 22-Jan-20
Grey Ghost 22-Jan-20
JohnMC 22-Jan-20
yooper89 22-Jan-20
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Grey Ghost 22-Jan-20
TrapperKayak 22-Jan-20
HH 22-Jan-20
Grasshopper 22-Jan-20
HH 23-Jan-20
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Jaquomo 23-Jan-20
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Zbone 25-Jan-20
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From: Zbone
21-Jan-20

Zbone's Link
Don't know if this has been posted before, but looks like Colorado Wildlife Officials Confirm Wolves in Colorado:

https://www.rmef.org/elk-network/colorado-wildlife-officials-we-have-no-doubt-that-wolves-are-here

From: DMTJAGER
21-Jan-20
My advice to CO hunters is SSS The anti-hunters are going to replace hunters as game management tools in western sates with wolves that is the grand plan.

From: Jaquomo
21-Jan-20
SSS, satellite tracking chip stops moving, Feds swoop in and quickly figure out who was parked in the area, trial ensues, shooter fined $50,000 plus loss of vehicle, massive legal fees, etc, maybe if he's lucky he gets probation, but probably 90 days in jail. Good solution.

From: Mule Power
21-Jan-20
Lou what happens when a wolf dens up and doesn’t move for X amount of hours?

Do the swoop in and tell him to move along? Lol

From: Pop-r
21-Jan-20
LMFAO!

From: RK
21-Jan-20
That's pretty funny. Obviously some don't understand modern chipping. Hell you can tell how many times the chipped animal farts each day much less if it is dead or alive.

From: Pop-r
21-Jan-20
The Antielk may be amongst us!

From: Glunt@work
21-Jan-20
The new collars have a lot more than location. Basically they are wolf fitbits.

From: RK
21-Jan-20
Keep killing them ground hunter,keep killing them

From: wkochevar
21-Jan-20
SSS is such a tired and ignorant answer to this issue...it goes so much deeper than that. GOOD luck tho if that's what you choose to do!

From: Paul@thefort
21-Jan-20
I agree with kochevar, I do not believe in the SSS concept at all. Interesting is that on a prowolf blog where the writer quoted a few guys who were stating, SSS, a good wolf is a dead wolf, etc. is the best way to go, and he entered those quotes into his prowolf story and then stated, "this is exactly why we need to introduce a number of wolves into colorado because hunters will just kill the few that migrate in. He got a lot of LIKES and positive comments and I am sure those will vote yes to the introduction. my best, Paul

From: TreeWalker
22-Jan-20
If instead of wolves was hyenas that escaped into CO then would CO F&G be yawning and looking side-eyed at the issue? The state game departments are obviously pro-wolf. Keep buying tags and they will keep their funding. Stop buying tags and they can feel the pain a bit, too.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20
Old news.

But as mentioned on another wolf thread, it brings up an interesting legal question. How can you “reintroduce” something that’s already here? I think a good lawyer could build a case around that.

Matt

From: Kevin Dill
22-Jan-20
I typically stay out of wolf debates, preferring to just read and learn what others think.

For the record, I'm not pro-wolf...nor am I a lover (or hater) of them. When I see one (in Alaska) I don't feel the urge to kill it, even though it would be a legal kill. I'm also not saying you won't ever see me with a wolf I killed legally, but it's unlikely. Clear as mud, right?

The one thing I will never, ever agree with is the illegal killing of any wildlife simply because I disagree with its presence. We've got enough public perception issues without advocating for poaching any animals....but especially any that are a protected species where they live.

From: cnelk
22-Jan-20
Again. People fail to realize that actually SEEING a wolf is quite a feat. I dont hear many guys in Wyoming stacking up the wolves where they are legal to shoot!

So yeah, the SSS is just some blowhard BS

From: Kevin Dill
22-Jan-20
Photographing them while actually hunting isn't exactly easy, either.

From: Paul@thefort
22-Jan-20
Treewalker. YOU ARE CRAZY with that thought concerning the Colorado Park and Wildlife and the Commission who are OPPOSED to the forced introduction. (CPW Resolution 16-01) The crime is that they are under a gag order, ie, a State Statute that prohibits them from publicly stating, reporting, expressing an opinion, or taking a stand while the ballot initiative goes before the voting public. The other crime is that wildlife issues can be placed on the ballot for public vote. Your conspiracy theory and statement is full of hot air.

my best, Paul

From: TrapperKayak
22-Jan-20
'My advice to CO hunters is SSS The anti-hunters are going to replace hunters as game management tools in western sates with wolves that is the grand plan.'

And that is why. This is some of the most F'd up advice I've ever seen posted here by a 'hunter'.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20
"The crime is that they are under a gag order, ie, a State Statute that prohibits them from publicly stating, reporting, expressing an opinion, or taking a stand while the ballot initiative goes before the voting public."

Paul, doesn't that gag order only apply to working hours? I seem to recall reading that in the actual statute. If so, that leaves plenty of time for state wildlife managers and commissioners to voice their opinion during off-hours.

Matt

From: lawdy
22-Jan-20
Hunting is going the way of trapping. Get used to it. This is what we voted for when we vote in liberals thinking that we are getting something free. The downfall will come when wildlife management is no longer paid for and wardens and biologists are laid off. Letting nature take total control will show everyone what a cruel mistress she can be on not just elk and deer, but the beloved wolf as well. We don’t need SSS, the ignorant voters will destroy the wolves for us, along with every other species. Enjoy the Communism and governmental control over our lives coming to America. There is a reason why the American Communist Party supports the Democratic Party nominee in every election, along with the Socialist party. Now hammer me, but you young posters will see some huge changes coming to this country until eventually, the cleansing comes as it has for every nation in history, with blood. As an old guy, I saw the best of America in the fifties, watched the shift begin in the sixties and seventies, and if I can make it another ten years, may get to see the total government takeover of our guns, lives, and even our religion. At least I won’t have to live long under it. End of rant, I am going hare hunting.

22-Jan-20
people will find out eventually why the wolf and grizzly were eliminated from areas with livestock and human population and then they will be eliminated again after a lot of damage.

From: TrapperKayak
22-Jan-20
Lawdy, right on the money. Nothing is 'Free' unless we stick to our guns. literally. Then WE are free. No commodities are ever free. You just change methods of payment. Its just like the law of physics. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, just changed. You either pay now, or you pay later - the method of payment changes for whatever it is you receive. You can either work for what you have, or you can let someone do it for you, but either way, you are going to PAY for it. Nothing is free. I prefer to work for it. So I say to you all who 'get it', VOTE THEM OUT! Those of you who don't get it, you eventually will when the Communism FAILS again.

From: HH
22-Jan-20
You can beat those RFID Sat Tag's Jaq. We used the in AFG for various things. They are accurate, self contained and will retrieve a hella lot more data that RF collars.

A Warrior buddy who lives in MT's of west took an animal this year. It had such a collar with tag. Point is if you know what to look for, there are counter measures easily taken . Given we used these to track the enemy to follow there movements. Even these cave men figgered out how to counter them.

There are many pro wolf websites as I have posted that openly admit that they would not be opposed to taking the hunter out of the top predator role. Except they don't it that manner. Rather, the Wolf Crowd would and does promote the abundance of wolves to a level that brings they predator prey ratio into the natural carrying capacity of the environment. (which eat the herd until gone they move drainages or ranges) So, SSS is most correct.

CO problem is just beginning. The problem is once established in those very wide swath of Rockies it will be eradication battle that can't be totally won with the very few hunters today. Wolf hunters poisoned for 50 yrs and still did not get them all.

The politics of the wolf if you bother to study it are so entrenched in the current CO administration that they are one in the same. CO is very polarized like a WA. OR where the western halves are very blue and the eastern is very red. The blue of the I-5 corridor has the votes. CO is the reverse Front vs West Slope.

The only way to fix the wolf is to fix your politics CO. Tie the wolf to everything Blue or DEM. You have a Senate seat that must turn red this year. That Dem opponent must wear that wolf around his neck every single day of 2020.

Without that all CO residents are just scratching at the edges and the Libs are going have the CO Nat Geo Wolf channel blazing into every front range home with cuddly little names for every wolf in the packs they drop. I can almost assure you that is the plan.

K~

From: sticksender
22-Jan-20
Unfortunate that a good number of hunters apparently still believe in the triple-S nonsense. It only promotes apathy towards tackling the real threat in a useful way. In Idaho for example, re-introduced wolves prospered under nearly 2 decades of complete protection. Once full protection ended, they've been very difficult to suppress. Even though it's been legal to hunt and trap wolves in Idaho for years, and there's even a 1000.00 bounty per head on them, privately funded. Yet wolf numbers are still out of control in some areas. Knowing that generous bag limits and huge bounties aren't getting it done, calling for illicit shooting in random encounters is completely meaningless and counter-productive.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20
I'm going to enjoy reminding some of you doom and gloom political pontificators how wrong you were when the CO wolf ballot measure doesn't pass. These people stood outside of zoos to get the required number of signatures on their ballot. That shows how detached from nature they truly are. I have faith that the majority of CO residents will see how foolish this ballot measure is, and vote it down.

Matt

From: Jaquomo
22-Jan-20
Matt, you may be right after the dust settles, and I sure hope so.

In our Front Range mountain community, the Nextdoor social media site has over 1000 families active on there. Many are from Denver-Boulder-California, most are nonhunting bunny huggers. A good number are openly anti-hunting. We just had a lengthy discussion on wolves (some occasionally wander through from WY). I pointed out the facts about this wolf forcing initiative in several long posts, explaining the effects on our beloved moose and elk, and why the biologists are against it.

Not one single person tried to counter my arguments, not even the most vocal of the animal lovers. Instead, many jumped on to support me. Almost all believe natural migration is ok, while forcing is not. This gave me much hope.

From: Glunt@work
22-Jan-20
Matt

If you are right, it will be some of the best tasting crow I have ever eaten.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20
Lou,

The recent CBS affiliate news station poll that showed nearly 80% of voters were opposed to the measure gave me reason for hope. Granted, it was only a 25K voter sample size, but encouraging nonetheless.

Matt

From: JohnMC
22-Jan-20
Post a link to that poll. I have a hard time believing that. 25k would be a huge poll.

From: yooper89
22-Jan-20
Cnelk posted it not long ago, John. I forgot which thread but I looked it up on Facebook that day and sure as shit, it was on there. I'll see if I can find it.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20

Grey Ghost's embedded Photo
Grey Ghost's embedded Photo
It's a CBS facebook poll that Cnelk posted a few weeks ago. I'm not a member of that nonsense, so I couldn't vote.

Matt

From: yooper89
22-Jan-20

yooper89's embedded Photo
yooper89's embedded Photo

From: yooper89
22-Jan-20
Looks like GG beat me to it, but you'll see when he posted it was 24k votes, and ended at 26.2k votes on my post. So hopefully this is at least somewhat accurate. But... we all saw when Hillary polled at something like 99% pre-election. They're only numbers until they're not.

From: JohnMC
22-Jan-20
So it was not an official, random poll calling likely voters. It was one that one side or the other could send a link to supporters and say vote in this poll. I guess that it is good news it went the way it did. But those type polls are not accurate.

From: Grey Ghost
22-Jan-20
Does anyone know if Facebook polls are limited to one vote per member? Or can you vote as many times as you wish?

Matt

From: TrapperKayak
22-Jan-20
It is my hope that common sense votes outnumber non-sense votes, no matter what the issue. Especially with regards to Socialism/Communism. The country can survive with wolves. It cannot with Socialism/Communism.

From: HH
22-Jan-20
wolves = Far left Soc-unism

That fact or dot is easily connected with some quick research of boosters and donors to worldwide wolf projects.

K

From: Grasshopper
22-Jan-20
That poll hit the I hunt Colorado facebook page which has 40,000 members. Colorado RMEF page has 8k, and so on. Not a scientific poll at all.

From: HH
23-Jan-20
That poll is worthless. RMEF has done some wonderful stuff but hardly an inclusive Org. They would need to stop most other projects now and use that $ to stop the Wolf and that will not happen. Some of the same donors of RMEF are the one in the same Wolf donors. Not all but some now are on the wolf rather than the elk.

K

From: Trophyhill
23-Jan-20
I find it hard to believe that a poll pulled from Facebook of all places, would be considered a legitimate source for any science or biological based "information". Misinformation I would believe......

From: HH
23-Jan-20
Idaho is very open about wolves. In fact in their new 2019-20 Big Game rules a Regs you go to page 83-84 and.... See diagram for making Wolf legal snares and they openly give you the predation management overview. Idaho also mentions some back country elk herds are not in good shape Hmmmmmmn? Howl Howl Other elk herds near human activity out to large.? Lack of the wild dogs??

The other big difference on page #2 is the "Report Mary J Growers On Public" with DEA number right there. Got to love Law and Order.

K~

From: Jaquomo
23-Jan-20

Jaquomo's Link
Big article today in which Stop The Wolf did not respond to multiple requests for comment. Good job, guys. Must not have WiFi in the Good Old Boy coffee shop where they hang out.

Meanwhile, the Denver Post is going all-in for wolves, publishing one-sided wolf fluff pieces almost daily, refusing to publish letters, arricles, or op-eds from those of us presenting facts from our side.

From: Rut Nut
23-Jan-20
Meanwhile, supporters of the gray wolf have been working to overhaul its fearsome image. A Denver-based musical collective, Lost Walks, wrote and performed a rock opera about a wolf who saves a pregnant woman in danger in the Colorado wilderness. “It felt important to us to use our voices for a creature who is voiceless,” says Jen GaNun, the band’s creative director. “When we found out about how wolves were and are hunted and treated today, we felt like we had to use our internal momentum in this project we started to be a part of a social and environmental movement.” Profits from the album have gone toward the Rocky Mountain Wolf Action Fund, and live events have doubled as signature collection opportunities for the ballot measure. “We have gotten some messages of opposition,” she says, “but mostly find that people are in support and on the side of science and kindness towards animals and the greater ecosystem.”

Unreal! You can't make this stuff up! : (

From: RT
23-Jan-20
What did you expect from the DP? Trapping techniques?

From: TrapperKayak
23-Jan-20
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jan-20
Good Lord, Lou, I felt my blood pressure rise as I was reading that garbage. Not a single mention of the CPW's and Wildlife Commission's official opposition to forced introduction. Nothing about the fact there are ALREADY wolves migrating to CO. Nothing about the detrimental impact to hunting revenues that pay for the management of ALL wildlife, including their beloved wolves. Why don't they just skip all the shallow BS, and state the obvious anti-hunting motives behind this whole charade?

Lou, would you mind sharing the posts you made on your local nextdoor forum? I'm compiling a list of all the best opposition points to draft my own letter to distribute to friends, family, and politicians. The Meateater's article is the best I've seen so far, but I suspect you could add to his thoughts. Thanks!

Matt

From: Jaquomo
23-Jan-20
It appears that Nextdoor has blocked the ability to copy and paste posts. I'll see if I can figure out how to get around it.

From: RT
23-Jan-20
Snipping tool

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jan-20
Screen grab, perhaps? It's Shift + Command > 3 on a Mac. But I don't know the command on a PC.

Matt

From: yooper89
23-Jan-20
No comment from Stop The Wolf? Seems like they're doing as much as BHA to combat wolves in CO ;)

From: Orion
23-Jan-20
Jaquomo screen shoot on your phone and email a copy to yourself

From: WapitiBob
23-Jan-20
Might be a good idea to start working on that Management Agreement with the Feds.

"(d) ALLOCATION OF FUNDS.—(1) The Secretary is authorized to provide financial assistance to any State, through its respective State agency, which has entered into a cooperative agreement pursuant to subsection (c) of this section to assist in development of programs for the conservation of endangered and threatened species or to assist in monitoring the status of candidate species pursuant to subparagraph (C) of section 4(b)(3) and recovered species pursuant to section 4(g)....."

From: TrapperKayak
23-Jan-20
'The Rocky Mountain Wolf Action Fund would like to see enough wolves introduced to return balance to the ecology, with the additional aim of creating a habitat that links the wolves of northern states (along with Canada) and southern states (along with Mexico) stretching the length of the Rocky Mountains.'

I'd like to know how they, the RMWAF, are proposing to do that with the major influx of Human migrants along the western portion and eastern front of CO and all the Rocky Mountain states, LOL! They are going to 'create a habitat' that links wolves... Total BS, humans are destroying wildlife habitat for all species, especially ungulate winter ranges where wolves find most of their game species prey during its most vulnerable period. Who, besides the uninformed and ignorant, are they trying to mislead???...which leads back to my previous statement - 'Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.'

From: Jaquomo
23-Jan-20
"Ecology" is not even a thing. It's the study of a thing - ecosystems.

And there is already a habitat that links wolves. That's how the frickin' wolves are getting into CO from WY. But your typical soccer mom/golf dad/mall chick voters don't know and dont care. They just want to take a ride up I-70 to the Silverthorn malls and hopefully get a phone photo of a wolf to post on Instagram or FB. This is what we've come to.

From: Z Barebow
24-Jan-20

Z Barebow's Link
Here are the political winds in Colorado.

From: Ghost425
25-Jan-20

Ghost425's Link

From: Jaquomo
25-Jan-20
Too bad the mainstream Front Range voters won't see the RMEF video, just like they will never see any of the STW videos. But it's great to see RMEF jumping in to help, unlike some other organizations.

From: Elk Assassin
25-Jan-20
"Too bad the mainstream Front Range voters won't see the RMEF video, just like they will never see any of the STW videos." This is absolutely true of course, unless each of us uses our social media following to show folks in our sphere of influence these videos/photos. This should be the focus, not trying to get uninformed folks to flock to STW.com or RMEF.com.

From: Zbone
25-Jan-20
Thing that get my gull is I watch a LOT of nature programing on TV, and most seem to be left wing whackos that man is bad and killing the planet... Sure I take note and concern of ecological disasters created by mainly industry, but these crazies are off their rocker thinking every animal is endangered... How's come they get all the air play and us hunters and conservationist get little on the national or even worldly stage??? It sux...

From: Jaquomo
25-Jan-20
Doug, absolutely, but the problem is that most have like-minded followers on their social media platforms.

The Nextdoor site for our Front Range mountain community has over 1000 families engaged. Most are non-hunters. Some are flat-out anti. As I educate them on this issue, not one single person has jumped up to support wolf forcing (the proper term, since Canadian pack wolves were never here in the first place). This tells me voters are willing to listen to our side if they get a chance to hear it.

From: HH
25-Jan-20
Transplants sticking their necks out for transplants. In this case wolves.

Dog lovers of the USA just have not had their furry pooch gutted and eaten off their chain or runner in CO yet.

Not very unlike the the northerners who move to central Florida gator country. Put the standard poodle out to pee, it runs to the levee bank and barks at the 8ft gator. Mommy comes out to see why dag is not barking and there's only a collar and some blood left on the bank. Then, the neighborhood Association is demand every gator is shot dead.

Careful what you wish for Front Range Subaru Helicopter Mom's!

K~

From: Lost Arra
28-Jan-20

Lost Arra's Link
Based on the experience of this poor coyote, the dog owners might want to consider their pets when voting.

From: TrapperKayak
28-Jan-20
Some of the front range animal sympathizers might vote against the wolf when they watch that coyote succumb to wolfgang violence...:) 'Poor little thing' they'll say.

From: HH
28-Jan-20

HH's embedded Photo
HH's embedded Photo
Red Wolf?

K~

From: smarba
28-Jan-20
Looks like a coyote to me...

From: TrapperKayak
29-Jan-20
The coyotes I killed have extraordinarily long canines like that one.

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