I was listening to a Dudley podcast on a long trip home from chasing roosters in Kansas. He stated the big three were hoyt, Mathews, and pse. How would you rank how companies? Sales, profits, notoriety, popularity (all in one).
I have Mathews and Hoyt bows and had great luck with both. The Mathews cost me big time and then the local bow shop made me a Hoyt staff shooter and they made me a bow for no cost. I had a lot of great luck with it deer hunting. Jeff Hopkins lived close to me and I never had to worry about tuning a bow. He also made me the first fiber optic sight I had ever seen. He had rolls of fiber optic material. I thought both companies treated me great. I can't pull a bow anymore so I now use a Ravin that shoots a bolt at 425 FPS. It is great too. BTW I still have Bear recurve that was bought in the 50's. It killed a lot of deer too. When my first Bear bow snapped when I drew it to shoot at a buck I was very sad. Bear sent me a brand new bow complete with string and brush buttons at no charge.
Trad, when someone says “not trying trying to be a ...” it means they’re being exactly a ... and they know it. If you read my post again, it came from a comment by John Dudley on a podcast. If you don’t care, then move on. No need to grace this thread with your comment.
Admit it Ucs your just to old to do anything than more fun then sit home and debate about something that by Monday you will forget you started a thread on. For the recorded I am doing the same thing. Am looking forward to getting up at 4:00 AM for the last pheasant hunt of season.
I look at getting parts for bows when they get some age on them, when i buy. The only company, that i know of that does this, is Mathews. All bows are very expensive to only be able to get parts for them, for just a few years down the road. From what I've read, Mathews will have parts for ANY bow they have made. That's pretty impressive. At the moment, i don't shoot a Mathews, but will in the future due to their parts for their bows are readily available.
The big three is often referred to here on bowsite as Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech. Maybe not in that order. I don't know who sells the most, or sponsors most of the best. It matters to me though, because I currently shoot a Diamond, made by Bowtech. I hope Bowtech stays in business because my next bow may very well be a Daimond. With Diamond, I get a lot of bow for half the money of any of the big three. I won't drop top dollar on the latest and greatest. I will check out mid priced bows when the time comes, or used. I understand that if you are a good shot, you will be a good shot with almost any bow. The bow that cost the most, is most advertised, or has the biggest fan boy club is not necessary for success.
I will say this. Around 1985 i had a Martin lynx & bought a new hot shot release got home hooked the release to the bow drew back the button hit my jaw & blew up the bow. I called Martin told them what happened they offered to repair my bow no charge or take my bow in trade plus $50 for a new pro series cougar magnum. I killed a lot of deer with that cougar magnum bow. Had a limb crack on a bowtec 101st airborne after about 7 years of a lot of shooting they replaced both limbs for $50 I still have the bow it's a 2005 model. Iv received EXCELLENT customer service from these two companies
Back in the days of my competitive 3D shooting, Mathews was the company to be sponsored by. They led the way with new technologies each year, and treated their sponsored shooters better than any other company, including matching the winning purse if you won the bigger national tournaments. Hoyt was second. Bowtech was just coming onto the scene, but was gaining popularity. PSE wasn't popular at all, here in the west. Martin had a following amongst target shooters, but not so much with hunters. Elite wasn't a company yet.
Nowadays, who knows. I think the best technologies have gotten so saturated in the market that there's a very fine line between all the top manufacture's products. It really comes down to personal preference, availability, and customer service.
You can't beat Mathews if you want to keep your bow for years. Parts stock and service is second to none. (so that puts them first there).
PSE used to be the "meat and potatoes" hunting bow. Very affordable, durable and for the most part slightly unexciting. (until you draw it on an animal) Kinda the Volkswagon Beetle of bows. Then they put all their eggs in the speed basket which cost them dearly in shootability and durability. Really too bad, but many bought their bows based strictly on FPS.
Hoyt had so many good bows and bad bows with a few real stinkers and a few real standouts. No consistency whatsoever. That's why many hate them or love them. I refuse to buy a $1,000 plus bow then have to order custom strings before even starting to shoot it.
Definitely something to be said for the upper, middle of the road bows from a few of the other companies (Peco's Diamond) that just shoot year after year, are not so high performance they need constant tweaking and parts, or so cheap they wear out and need to be replaced regularly. My backup bow is fourteen years old, one step below "Flagship" and a bit sloppy in the wall and performance, but is the one bow I'll never sell. It's a lot like me.
"Best" bow and "best" bow company won't always be the same year after year. But the company that has over all good products and consistently great service will always be circling the highest peak.
Idk about PSE being in the big 3 other than the fact that Dudley just partnered with them. Seems to me he’s just trying to pimp his new partnership - not that there’s anything wrong with that. He’s got to make his money.
I like my Prime that I just picked up but have only hunted with Mathews and Martin, and an old PSE prior to that.
I've shot all three and i am not saying Mathews was the best. They are the only one's that carry parts for ANY bow they have made. To me, that's important for as Expensive they are. If I am not mistaken, i think Hoyt and BowTech has parts for 5 years. I guess that would be a good excuse to tell the wives that we need a new bow.8^)
I still have my original Matthews Conquest that's 25 years old, and it's never needed a part for it, and I ran a LOT of arrows thru that bow. I bet it shoots as accurately today, as it did when it was new. Interestingly, the Conquest has been the only model that has endured the test of time, and they are still manufacturing them.
In my neck of the woods (Northeast), I think one would be safe to say the "big 3" are, in no particular order: Bowtech, Matthews, PSE. Hoyt likely is close to the PSE, maybe the flip and PSE is 4. But based on current popularity, Id err PSE ahead of Hoyt here.
Regional interests will ebb and flow. It would be hard to argue that Hoyt and Mathews are 1-2 in whatever order you prefer. Number three changes depending on where you live. Around here you'll find 40 Elites for every 1 Prime bow. You'll even find more Elites than PSE, Bear, and Martin combined. It's been 10 years at least since I saw a Darton or Martin bow at the state shoot.(we have a 1000 scores turned in at our state shoot) The "Open/Pro" shooters are pretty evenly represented with Hoyt, Mathews, Bowtech, and PSE. Not because they are any better but, because they pay contingency money if you win.
Here in my part of Michigan it seems to be Hoyt, Matthews, PSE. Bowtech 4th and I have seen increasing numbers of prime in the shops. Still for the big 3 it has to be Hoyt, Matthews, and PSE in some sort of order. I see more Matthew and PSE locally
What I saw in Michigan was Crossbows a strong first place, then compounds. I saw this in many shops from Lansing to the tip of the mitt. It's been a few years, so maybe the crossbow phase has mellowed out.