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Twenty-some years ago I was working in the corporate world, renting my home and making $23,000/year, I had only a $1,500 pickup to my name, $8,000 in the bank and a POWERFUL passion for hunting. My dad always told me to go hunting when you’re physically able, don’t wait until you can afford it. I borrowed $30,000 to go hunting in Zimbabwe. I borrowed 1.5 times my yearly income and spent ALL of my savings to go on that hunting trip. My thought process was if I died prematurely in a car crash, at least I would have enjoyed that hunting experience. That’s a huge commitment to the sport I love. I figured I had the rest of my life to pay for it. That took tremendous COURAGE. I had a great experience and was so impressed with my outfitter because he took so much pride in his legacy. So much so that the first day back to work I QUIT MY JOB and started my own business. 1.5 times my yearly salary in debt and I quit my job because I knew I could improve my life situation by working hard and smart. Because of my work ethic and attention to detail the money started flowing in and I paid for that trip quickly. I immediately booked an Alaska moose hunt only 1-2 years later. I insisted on being guided by the owner and it was a fantastic decision. That Alaska hunt changed my life. That sounds corny but it’s true. The outfitter and I hit it off and he asked me to work for him. Spending much of the year living in a tent in Alaska hunting seemed romantic so I committed. After being in on so many moose, caribou and brown bear kills and seeing how his business ran I knew that I could be running a better hunting business myself. I thought I should see how somebody else ran his business so I worked for another reputable outfitter for two years. Both outfits had great parts about their business and both had bad parts. I figured how I could duplicate the positive parts and eliminate the negative to make a fantastic business. It paid off in spades. It didn’t happen overnight and it wasn’t easy. But anybody can do it who is dedicated, smart and lucky. I spend my time between Alaska and South Dakota. I won a major outfitter recognition in SD and the arm of my business in AK is awesome. Now I’ve guided over 1,400 hunters from all 50 states and 13 countries. My customers are feverishly loyal, they can hunt anywhere in the world and they choose to hunt with me because they want me personally guiding them. That is a special relationship. I spend more than 200 days/year PERSONALLY GUIDING clients. That’s a lot. That experience transmits into a level of fun and success that my clients value. That’s a fantastic value. I am a full-time outfitter that hunts as my sole way of making a living. That is unique and facilitates honing a special set of skills. I’m proud of it. I recently became a sponsor at BOWSITE because I noticed there are some individuals that frequent the site who I’d like to do business with. There are others who want to become guides. I make no apologies that I want to guide certain individuals and make money doing it. It’s how I feed my family. Hunters wanting an outstanding guide/hunter relationship and DIY hunters wanting a superior UNGUIDED Alaska DIY hunt find a huge value in my outfit. There are guys here that see a great way to cut the risk of breaking-in a new guide for each hunt and building a working relationship with somebody that offers hunts for many species in South Dakota and Alaska. There are several guys on this site that want to receive an awesome experience with a professional hunter that will personally guide or outfit their DIY trip. Relationships are important to me. You’ll see a link to my business under “Jim River Guide Service” or “Guided Alaska Hunting” on this website. My name is Thomas “Willie” Dvorak. Most call me Willie because I can sing and play the guitar like Willie Nelson, well enough that I went semi-large with it when I was younger. I live on the Jim River of South Dakota and operate in Alaska on the Jim River (and other places) so I call my business Jim River Guide Service. I built the business from the ground up. When I started out I made a huge commitment driven by the thrill of the hunt. I can bring that dynamic to YOUR trip. If it sounds like I have the passion for hunting that you look for in a guide or outfitter give me a call. If you’d like to discuss how YOU can become a respected and successful guide/outfitter and make dreams come true for sportsmen, I’d be glad to chat.
Welcome Love the passion Always special if you can hunt with the guy who is laying it all on the line
Welcome and thanks. You always add a lot.
Love to see guys take a chance on themselves. Way to go!
It takes lots of guts to quit a secure job and start a business, I know, I did it myself. I had the same thoughts you did, if these guys can do it, then I can do it better.
It says a lot about your business integrity if most of your customers are repeats, because nearly everybody can find something to bitch about on a guided hunt. Good luck and welcome to Bowsite as a sponsor.
Neat story. Congrats on your success.
Congrats, you look like your living your life to the fullest. Your a lifes story should be a inspiration to others. Ed
Thanks for being a sponsor
Congratulations. Nice to see a owner operator on here who cares and is passionate
Just a quick question. Since you do all your own guiding especially in Alaska how many hunters do you take every fall up there? Do you guide bow hunters primarily?
Good for you
Leo, I usually take between 3-5 hunters depending specifically on if the hunters book their hunt as 1x1 or 2x1 hunters to guide. My hunts are typically 1x1 but once in awhile I get a par of buddies, husband/wife or brothers that want to hunt with me guiding both. I also always have another guy in my spike camp to help. The extra set of eyes, hands and legs are fabulous. Other outfitters don’t provide that due to the cost associated with getting that help into a spike camp. Because I take so few hunters I’m not even coming close to tapping into my moose population. That helps keep my “opportunity” for unguided DIY moose hunters to be extremely high, often 100%.
Most of my customers are repeat because once a sportsman hunts with me the first time they see the huge difference of hunting with me compared to the experience they’ve had with other outfits and they become feverishly loyal. I am proud of that. It’s hard to describe until you experience it. In fact some people think it’s impossible...until they try it.
I take archery OR Rifle hunters. I treat people the same. The first person to put money across my desk gets the dates. That gives everybody the same chance to do business with me. It’s not so much about archery versus rifle so much as who can make an awesome decision the quickest. The guy that gets the dates can make a great decision faster than his competition. Look up my links to JIM RIVER GUIDE SERVICE and GUIDED ALASKA HUNTING.
What is the cost of an Alaska moose hunt these days
Cost for both.. guided and unguided and do you provide the camp for unguided hunters?
Guided Moose Hunt with me is $31,500. They’re pretty awesome. They are booked out to 2021...booking for 2022, one spot open. I personally guide you.
Unguided moose hunt with my outfit Jim River Guide Service...the Alaska arm of my business is: www.GuidedAlaskaHunting.com is only $5,500 with the both hunters participating in the one-day Unguided Moose Hunting Presentation. For guys that don’t want the presentation and want to save some money I knock off $750/guy equaling a cost of only $4,750. That’s a great deal if you don’t want to sit down with me for 6-8 hours listening to the finer points of hunting unguided moose in Alaska 2 on 1 with a professional guide. I think it is a fantastic investment but some guys think they can save some cash and learn on the fly...your choice. I have a spot open for unguided moose hunts for 2020.
Both hunts include the same gear, food and logistics. Compared to a $31,500 hunt, the $4,750 hunt is only 15% of the cost of my guided hunt and pretty hard to beat.
Incidentally, I have ONE time slot for a brown bear hunt for THIS (2020) fall. A traditional hunt with a rifle is recommended but if somebody wants to at least start out with a bow I’m always pumped to get you into the kill zone with archery equipment.
Anybody that is interested in either hunt should PM me their email address. I treat everybody the same so the first money that crosses my desk gets the dates. That gives everybody the same chance to do business with me.
Thanks everybody for the nice comments.
Great story, but it's only money.,... Courage comes from when you lay it on the line, like the guy that came back for me, and I have a wonderful life..because of it.... Stay well
What are the moose antler restrictions on the unguided hunt? 50" + / 4 brow tines?
Antler restrictions are 50 inches and 4 brow tines. That’s a pretty good deal for hunters because it takes a certain level of experience to judge 50. And there might be guys that like booking in an area where THREE brow tines are the minimum instead of 4. I think the result is bigger moose being killed AND less hunting pressure over the last many years do to hunters being enticed into hunting areas with lower time restrictions. That means over the years there has been less hunters culling bulls. Consequently it helps my percentage of hunters having a chance for a kill. It doesn’t hurt that the size of the bulls killed is a bit larger too.
Can you post some pictures of the top end bulls in the area?
These are certainly top enders...the hunters and the moose! This is a great pic. These guys took advantage of the 6-8 hour UNGUIDED ALASKA MOOSE HUNTING presentation I offer. They were great hunters and dedicated. You can save $750/man by not participating in the presentation. I believe bagging a moose is much more difficult that what seems to be the belief on BOWSITE. They are a magnificent trophy.
You certainly have some valuable time. 750 per man to sit in on a 6-8hr seminar. Pretty nice gig i guess.
$31,500 for moose?!? wowzers.
Seems to me he is staying busy and people are happy with his service . That’s what matters in business to me. Best of luck and keep hammering . Hunt
Tremendous bulls. Congrats to the hunters.
I'm with you, Hunt. Supply and demand.
This is for sure a bull. Trust me. I’m just not for certain if he’s a Booner or not! I was able to sneak really close but the shooting angle was horrible.
I bet if he reached up and tickled that right nut in a counterclockwise direction he would have turn broadside!
They call that the “newfi nudge” Hunt. ;)
Yea man! It was a beginner’s mistake. I misread my compass going in and it got my angle of approach ALL wrong!
Huh, he hangs lower on the left. Must be a lefty. On a serious note, I thinks its awesome you followed your dream of becoming a guide. Well done sir.
Request for more pics of various moose kills with measurements: I wish it was that easy. Looking at pics of dead moose with measurements makes you an expert estimating the size of DEAD moose. NMV. A hunter’s goal is accurately evaluating LIVE moose antlers. You achieve that by estimating width, killing lots of moose and then testing your guess with the tape...there’s no shortcut for that skill. Relying on that skill without experience is risky. Smart moose hunters know the solution is finding bigger moose! Many moose hunters never considered that as an option. Would-be UNGUIDED moose hunters should consider taking advantage of my Unguided Alaska Moose Hunting presentation. If a hunter is coachable he’ll benefit a bunch, if he’s not coachable it’s a waste of his time and money. Unfortunately I can’t train hunters to estimate size any better than watching videos available to anybody from the State of Alaska. I CAN teach a good hunter how to find MORE moose on good days, average days and tough days. I provide knowledge that, when used, greatly increases the chance of seeing MORE moose while other less savvy hunters miss the opportunity.
The more moose you look at on your hunt the better chance of finding a moose that is so big that it’s a no-brainer legal bull or a bull sporting the magic number of brow tines to make him legal. My presentation hopefully prepares you to fill your tag where the less informed hunter would have gone home empty handed because they never saw ENOUGH moose to find one they KNEW was legal. That is much smarter and less risky than hoping to become an expert at something you’ve NEVER done before by looking at vids and pics. Many would-be moose hunters never even thought about it that way. It’s a mistake to try to become an expert moose size guesser and then fail to be comfortable taking the shot when finding ONLY ONE 48-52 inch moose on the hunt. That’s a huge deal. It can be the difference between BOTH you and your partner filling your tags instead of just HIM getting the chance to fill his tag or worse yet NEITHER filling a tag. That’s worth the money.
I knock off $750/man for guys that book a hunt with me that don’t feel they need to spend time with my presentation. You can’t get any better deal than that!
What is the historical success rate of those that do the one day session and those that skip it. 750 Sounds Like money well spent at that point but there should be stats to support it
Great Moose picture and information. On the Alaska hunts are you the Registered Guide in your own areas or working under another’s License. Looks like you are successful and staying busy. I went through the process of obtaining my Registered Guides License as a Non Resident years ago. Haven’t guided up there in years but great to hear the story’s good luck.
When I last checked, the state did not have exact numbers comparing guided hunters with unguided hunter but the estimate was unguided hunters were between 10-30% successful while guided hunters in the State were between 50-75% successful and sometimes higher. “There are lies, damn lies and stats.” Mark Twain. You can do a LOT of tricks with the numbers. I choose, right or wrong, to look at the OPPORTUNITIES a hunter has to kill a trophy and not with the actual dead animal numbers. I think that paints a better pic of what to expect. If a hunter misses or forgets his safety is on et cetera, it is not really the fault of the outfitter recognizing a guide in the mix would have likely prevented the miscue. What I’ve seen PERSONALLY with my unguided hunters is this: Before I started doing these presentations with the hunters, when I just put them out in fantastic areas because the hunters said they were ready...they were about 10% successful at getting an opportunity. It’s important to note that many of those hunters saw very few moose, bulls or cows. I would definitely say the MAJORITY of those hunters reported seeing very few moose. That was consistent with what I saw from hunters who hunted with other outfits/taxi services throughout Alaska also. Since I started giving these presentations the opportunities for my unguided hunters that have taken the course, has shot up. I think the opportunity to harvest legal bulls from my unguided hunters has now gone up to 80-90%. I think it was 100% the last 2-3 years. That’s a big deal. My presentation is probably getting better too so I’m doing a better job preparing my customers. The number of moose, both bulls and cows, my hunters who’ve taken the course have been seeing has gone up by 5-10 times. That’s a fantastic result. Because I’ve got some monster bulls in my area, that really increases the likelihood of success. If I was personally on the ground with these guys I’d know exactly what was happening and could report it more precisely. I’d easily see if a hunter was a “great but unlucky” or “lucky but horrible” or a “lucky and great” hunter et cetera. And I’d know with each hunt what Mother Nature’s role played. But it pretty hard to arguing the overall result. All of these numbers are a little subject to interpretation because I’m not in camp with unguided hunters and hunters (FOR SURE not anybody within earshot hahaha) have been known to exaggerate from time to time for better or worse. As much as I’d like to say I’m 100% perfect, I’m human and might be a bit partial too. It’s also reasonable to believe offering my 6-8 hour presentation has likely caused me to book a better quality of hunter clientele to begin with. I am seeing first hand the clear difference is that guys who are sitting through the presentation I provide are more than 3 times as likely to have success. It’s probably even better than that. They are likely to see 5-10 times as many moose. That increases the chance of one of the bulls to be a no-doubt legal bull. That’s huge...ask anybody that went home empty handed because they didn’t feel comfortable shooting the moose in front of them (because they were afraid it wasn’t legal) or one of the hunters who dumped a bull that was 49 inches and got arrested. It doesn’t have to be risky. It is also certain that the fun and satisfaction my hunters have been experiencing since I’ve been doing these presentations has increased superbly. Having lots of happy customers makes my business easier to manage and brings MORE great customers ready to have an awesome time. I’m proud of that. Thanks for asking Bou.
80-90% opportunity on legal unguided AK moose is fantastic. You seem to have cracked the code somehow. Quite a value.
No one got arrested for shooting a 49" bull.
If you’re a casual reader of BOWSITE don’t believe for a second that people don’t get cited for shooting moose under the legal minimum in Alaska. That is a dangerous and misleading statement that Nick just made. Readers should take his post with a big piece of salt.
There's a big difference between CITED or TICKETED and ARRESTED. Nick is right. People don't get arrested for a 49" moose if they turn themselves in unless they did something else in addition to that.
Thank you Quinn. Willy may not understand the importance of word usage when posting stuff on the internet. No one is being arrested for shooting a 49" bull as Willy suggests.
Willie If I had a great area, and was turning away hunters for it, and I was getting guys who went through the class 3X the opportunities and 5-10X the sightings honestly I would not call it optional.
I would want those guys and those stats to be my references and the heck with the cheap ass guys who wanted to save $750 and then become references who would, on average given your stats, report out 1/3 the action and only 10-20% of the sightings.
Why don't you just mandate it, make the extra $750, and have higher success rates across the board.
Granted, Nick and Quinn are correct that there is a difference between getting arrested and getting cited. My mistake. However, in my household we use “arrested”, “cited” and “ticketed” interchangeably out of habit. That’s normal albeit not 100% accurate. If you come from a family that has run-ins with the law on a frequent basis you understandably distinguish the difference. We don’t. While I think the normal people clearly understood my point, I apologize to anyone I confused.
Bou...you make a fantastic point. I will definitely think about that from that perspective. Thanks for posting.
This thread has been very informative. I've learned a lot of things.
1. Willie is the Best mule deer and moose outfitter there is because he guides his own clients. His self calculated success rate speaks for itself. Just ask him.
2. You need to pay Willie $750 for a 6 hour course to learn why he's the best and how he thinks you should hunt moose in order to be successful on his DIY moose hunts in AK.
3. Your family gets accused of having "run-ins with the law on a frequent basis" if you happen to understand the english language and in particular the difference between being arrested and receiving a ticket. ( It's apparent to the "normal people" that Willie was simply self promoting himself in trying to scare people that don't take his class to thinking they would be ARRESTED for a 49" moose)
What if the person's family comes from law enforcement don't you think they may understand the difference between an arrest and a ticket or is it only the outlaws you make these accusations against?
4. Willie comes across as the most arrogant person I've seen on Bowsite in 18 years. At least TBM was funny.
I could be off base. Willie may be a good guy in person. It does seem that everyone who's ever hunted with him is now a return client and friend according to him.
Good luck Willie in your moose hunts. Hopefully you'll have internet access up in AK so you can educate us all even while you're putting big bulls on the ground for your return customers.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
One thing great respectable people have in common is they don’t go around telling people how great they are. TBM was a funny dude though wasn’t he!
Mule Power, does Willie know you are a guide in the state of Montana for Elk?? Are you still... if not why not?? Lets hear your story!!
Mule do you guide all your own hunters? :) If you don't you really should.
Another thing I learned about Willie's buck hunters after looking at photos on his website. They all have really long arms....
This site runs on sponsors let’s keep that in mind
This site also as an uncanny ability to sift through the BS.
And can be definitely entertaining lol
I haven’t outfitted since 2012. In the 12 years I did we had unlimited elk and deer licenses. Then came the wolves. The unit my user permit authorized me to outfit in was 250. It turned out to be the one and only unit that suffered cutbacks in licenses. First our deer went to a limited quota draw. That hurt but I could handle it. But then the number of elk tags was set at 25. With a 10% limit on non residents that meant that there was a max of 2 licenses available. No way to continue a business under those circumstances.
I loved guiding. Most guys were great people to spend a week with. I’m still friends with lots of my clients. I’m hunting with two of them in Wyoming this year. I was set to hunt bears in Saskatchewan with two next year but they can’t make it. A few of my guides are my hunting partners these days. I had a good run but the wolf huggers with the help of judge Malloy won that battle in the end.
Quinn I missed your point! Lol I dud lots of guiding myself. More before my business grew. After that I had ti be the hub of a bigger wheel so not as much. But I was always in camp. I would help guides and semi guided hunters with their plans each evening so everyone was set the next morning. Then I would take turns each say and spend a day in the field with each hunter or pair of hunters. In the beginning I wanted to be everywhere at all times. But I was lucky in getting some stand up guys to work for me and learned to have faith in them. Just because I had the outfitters license didn’t mean I was a better hunter than the next guy. Elk hunting is a demanding thing and a big part of my job was to keep spirits up and make sure everyone including my guides got what they were promised. That’s easy if you don’t make promises you can’t keep.
I second what Grant says.... but who am I!!! No need to bash a new sponsor, let the hundreds of thousand's of bowsiters and lurkers decide for themselves. Looks unprofessional.
I remember what Pat said many moons ago.... some outfitters are new to the internet. Might not know how to act or react or advertise right on the internet. Maybe not know how to handle negative reports. LOL... in 2009 I was one of them, he was probably talking about me. I finally became a sponsor in 2014. I guess you can call it initiation into Bowsite sponsorship.
Lets not act like a BUNCH OF SCHOOL GIRLS and maybe welcome and help him prosper in the New Bowsite World.
Wellcome to Bowsite Tdvorac, Bowsite is actually an AWESOME place to talk about your business!!!
There are a lot of jealous guys on this thread. “Haters are gonna hate.” Making a great living guiding hunters as my way of making a living makes lots of hunters envious. The normal envious guys are normally interested and pumped to chat and are NOT the guys that become stalkers on internet sites. Stalkers are a different breed altogether. I’ve been reading posts on BOWSITE since 2011. It’s worth noting that all of the guys piling on throughout this thread have a track record of posting lots of negative comments or commenting like they are experts when they have literally NO EXPERIENCE of a thread’s subject ...or both. I can’t control what nonsense people post, I can just tell you the way I operate. Some guys purposely pretend to misunderstand reasonable posts. I’ve never understood that foolishness. I’ve even been falsely accused of wild things because, the guys who wanted to become great guides but couldn’t cut it, would rather anonymously snipe at successful outfitters than to make the commitment required to be a hugely successful outfitter. It’s easier to snipe. Ironically, these failures eagerly volunteer to tell ME how to promote my business. That’s precious. THEY can’t cut it but want to tell ME where I’m going wrong...while I have to turn business away every year. That’s the part that is hugely arrogant on their part. Not being able to take all the people that want to do business with me is an awesome problem to have! I’m fortunate...and that bums stalkers out. They just can’t stand to think that there are enough great hunters who want an excellent experience to book up all my dates yearly and they get jealous. It boggles their mind. So they attack, and their frustrated friends pile on. Give them the attention they deserve.
I provide a fantastic experience to my hunters in South Dakota for several species and several more species in Alaska. My diversity is a fantastic value for my customers. My customers also value that I don’t back down from internet bullies because my customers never backed down to bullies either. If I gave into the negativity of nay-sayers I would have never been able to build the awesome business I’ve built. Unfortunately I run into difficult hurdles like MulePower listed above but I choose to adapt and overcome while he succumbed to bad circumstances. It’s why guys like me succeed when guys like him can’t cut it…but he sure can write a snippy post and lead a fraternity of internet bullies, I’ll give him that. But all of the negativity he his fraternity creates doesn’t affect the demographic that will hopefully become MY CUSTOMERS. I can’t be everything to everybody so I choose to be outstanding to the guys that want outstanding. If I have to turn away business, I’m going to turn away business from guys that are looking for mediocre. That’s win-win-win for everybody. The snipers don’t clearly grasp the part about my business where I don’t have to get as many customers as possible…that mistake is for other guide services to make. I’ve got strengths and weaknesses and play to my strengths that appeal to the awesome customers. I want awesome customers. I post for them and the guys just starting out that want rock solid information, both of those groups are prospective customers of mine. I have noticed there are a LOT of AWESOME prospective customers on BOWSITE, they just aren’t the stalkers posting negative stuff. I want the awesome BOWSITE prospective customers hunting with me. Because I personally guide all of my hunters my clients tend to be super satisfied. My customers never get stuck with the lazy guide, the drunk guide, the Forest Gump-without-the-charm guide, the guide that forgot his meds, the all-I-want-to-talk-about-is-myself guide or the boss’s son guide. That’s a bugger when it happens to YOU...your hunt can be ruined. I probably pointed out at some time on this site that I PERSONALLY guide hunters more days/year than anybody I know…I think last year I was personally guiding clients for 234 days...that’s not to say somebody doesn’t guide more it just says that I personally know nobody that does. I’m proud of that…it ALSO shows that I know what great customers are looking for In a fantastic hunt. Its complicated. It’s silly that so many snipers post that I haven’t figured out how to get enough customers. So it is surprising to snipers that last year I personally guided over 160 hunting customers. They didn’t choose me because they were fools, but it is extremely arrogant on your part if you think that they were. I’m not this busy because I overpromise or am a great salesman...far from it. But I do go after the great customers because their repeat business is important to my success. I’m hugely busy because there are customers who prefer to hunt with a professional, honest, personable, passionate guide and see a giant value of being personally guided by the owner of the business instead of a hired hand for ALL of the advantages it includes. That’s intimidating to a lot of people and makes some people jealous. I can’t help that and make no apologies for it. If you own your own business you know the importance of dealing with the owner. You can’t find that everywhere in the hunting world but when you can it is nice. You can with me. I’m also extremely busy because I don’t try to be everybody’s guide/outfitter. That dynamic is too complicated for some people to understand. I don’t make the horrible mistake of trying to be everything to everybody. I am in high demand because I provide an awesome experience. Just because some Sour Grapes put down my outfit that they‘ve never tried and can’t comprehend, don’t let that keep you from signing up for an experience that is a cut above. YOU would have never been successful enough to be able to afford fabulous hunts if YOU would have listed to everybody that told you “you can’t”. I don’t listen to them either. Give me a call and you’ll see what my customers are so excited about...Thanks.
Nobody is bashing anyone.
You might want to consider some paragraph breaks in your posts. I have no idea what you are talking about and have no interest in even trying to read that mess. Maybe I’m a jerk, but I know ALOT of guys on here who feel similar...
FWIW, I'm glad your business is doing well. So well, hopefully these threads don't take up to much of your limited time.
Wow, just wow! I’m at a loss for words for once. You ARE the guide who forgot their meds!
I bet your phone is ringing off the hook with Bowsiters after that rant. LOL.
Maybe employ the 24 hour rule before posting.
Good luck and thanks for being a sponsor.
I'm out. I'll probably just find the quiet outfitter that lets his clients and trophy pics speak for themselves...
The fact willie provides every prospective client the contact info for every hunter for the prior year is truly unique and telling. you can’t make that up. Very transparent. .
Jealous guys. I’m so jealous. Of Willy.
I’m just curious, has anyone interested in one of Willie’s hunts received a list of names/numbers of the 160 clients he personally guided last year?
Willie (or Tom, I still feel like I'm missing something here),
I don't know you personally, so I make no judgments to the validity of your business claims or your guiding abilities . You and I have have shared a few back and forth emails and I've read everything you've sent. (Still waiting on the list of unguided moose clients you were to send, I'm sure its on the way)...LOTS of info, mostly detailing your abilities as a guide/outfitter, not so much about verifiable success rates of your DIY moose hunters. Would like to better understand those stats....
Aside from that, as a prospective client, I find there is a larger hole in your business plan. Your claim to "fame" is that you personally guide every single hunter that books with you. I believe you said you guided 166 last year alone. That is incredible! You must maintain an incredible level of physical conditioning and an amazingly healthy lifestyle to roll at that pace for 6 months/year!!
And that may be the biggest flag as I see it. What is your backup plan, if I am rolling in hot from the east coast to meet you for the moose hunt I've planned for 2 years, you've already spent my non refundable under any circumstances $15,750.00 deposit, I'm committed and have sacrificed 2 weeks income as I am also self employed and there is NO way to rewind at this point.......and I land in Anchorage to find out that you've come down with pneumonia, been bitten by a bear, have twisted your ankle in an alder bog, or the Alaska wilderness, as it sometimes does, has simply erased you? Since you have referred to all other guides as incompetent (see mid rant in your last post above), who will I be hunting with in your absence? Your stance on the abilities of ANY other guide has certainly alienated anyone within earshot or possessing basic literacy skills, so I feel like there may not be a vetted Plan B in place. Same would apply if I was coming in for a drop hunt with your outfit, as it seems you maintain a strangle hold on the logistical end of these trips as well, which would jeopardize my abilities to implement the wisdom and moose hunting wizardry imparted to me during the other day of income I sacrificed, when I paid $750 for my virtual moose hunting academy session.
All that to say that building your business around the fact (self proclaimed) that YOU are the only reason and option for any of your clients potential for success, is not, in the thought process of THIS business owner, the way to operate and promote a sustainable business model. I can take 2 weeks off without a hitch in my business because I have built a team of amazing, empowered people that don't need me over their shoulder or barking orders to make them (and me) successful. I don't show up, business as usual. That is simplified, but its the truth.
You sir, have NO business if you are even slightly removed from any of it. For that reason, like they say on Shark Tank, I'm Out.
Still curious if you are Registered guide outfitter in AK or operating under anothers License. It would be very important for the Bowsite Group to understand the difference. At one time I guided over 200 days a year and held my own Registered Guide Outfitter License #962. Great time in my life for sure but couldn’t imagine that pace today.
I’m trying to figure out how 1 man guides 160 clients a year- even if it’s 1:3 that is over 52 weeks of guiding.
Then wondering if he is turning away so many potential clients because he has so much return business, why does he even need to advertise?
Then, after reading his posts on here, wondering why anybody would want to hunt with this man?!
I'm trying to figure out if the deer hunters posing in those photos with South Dakota bucks also needed a North Dakota hunting license to sit that far behind them?
The fact that silly Willy provides contacts of previous hunters would be very transparent, but it doesn’t seem that that’s the case judging by the guys asking for it but not getting it. But in any case thanks much again for sponsoring the forum.
Hans: great question... I run my own business in SD and in AK. Specifically as it pertains to AK...I own my own business, contract all of my own hunts as a master guide. Thanks for drawing attention to that detail.
To Kiki and some of the others: Fantasizing hypotheticals, sarcasm and fabricated stories fill your posts. Not much I can do with that.
Willie....I think the biggest issue guys on here are having is with you and your posts are all of the self aggrandizement and chest thumping going on.
My Dad always told me “if there’s any bragging to be done on ya, somebody else will do it.”......Maybe you should be a little bit more like the “T” in your last name. (silent).........Good luck on your business.
Good point t-roy. Anyone else think it’s a little troublesome that of all the 160 plus hunters Willie has self guided to SUPER AWESOME UNBELIEVABLY SUCCESSFUL hunts (and that’s just in the last year, alone), none of these guys have weighed in here to support all of his self promoted “Best-In-The-World” outfitter/guide claims. ?
What we have instead is a grand total of Willie’s proclamations, and two photos; one of two hunters (no idea if they are archery?) with a big bull and a good bull, and another pic of some Moose testicles. That’s it. (Oh, a bear skull now, too. Bow kill Willie?).
On the other hand, we have at least one well known and credible long-time poster that, in considering a hunt, asked for references that Willie has promised to supply, ad nauseam, and has not delivered.
And of course, we have all of Willie’s personal attacks on anyone that dares to point out that his credibility is in question.
And this ridiculous notion of “sponsor immunity” simply does not wash. I get that the site is free for users, and sponsorship makes that possible, but sponsorship does not give someone a pass to mislead even a free/unpaid audience.
I would be very surprised if this outfitter had anywhere near the 160 plus past year client references he’s promised to supply. I don’t believe he’s being honest here and the simple fact that he’s paying Pat doesn’t make it right. In fact, it makes it worse.
So, we already have confirmation of at least one credible member who never got the promised reference list he requested, but I’ll ask my question again; has anyone received a list of names/numbers of all 160 plus clients that Willie self guided on SUPER AWESOME UNBELIEVABLE SUCCESSFUL hunts this past season?
Am I the only one getting 10 nasty messages per day? But no time to send those references.....
Never used the outfitter and dont nnow the gentlemen but im not sure why hes catching such a hard time for self promoting his own business. If your the owner and guide i think thats cool, id promote it too. Maybe he's in a kick @$$ area. If he's talking him self up that much try him out, let the bowsiters vet him out & figure out if he's selling snake oil or maybe he's that damn good. Im not sure about all the boasting etc but i dont think he's getting a fair shake on here either. Good luck this season & thanks for sponsoring bowsite.
I believe you BUT if that's true "Willy" has stooped to a new low
Whomever advised him on how to market his business on the internet, probably should be fired. His method is a 100% disaster
I’ve also received numerous rambling and delusional pm’s from Slick Willie. I’m actually starting to feel a little sorry for the guy. I think he needs some help.
Willie has been busy. Pathetic
I am in the same boat as Busta and Mule, several pretty strange PM's.
Multiple comical PM’s from Willie here too.
Hancock why don’t you take one for the team and book a 31K moose hunt based on his business model displayed here? Then report back please.
He is certainly doing a top rate job of painting a disturbing picture of himself.
Quinn - I wouldnt spend that on any hunt at this point in my life but i have no problem with him charging that. If thats his business model and it works thats fantastic. Ive got nothing to gain from this but im just saying theres far more assuming and guess work going on with all these posts rather than cold hard facts thru experience with this outfitter. Maybe it would have made you guys more happy if he would have come out and said my outfit sucks, im overpriced and im a bad guide. C'mon man!
By looking at the Facebook page there are far more prarie dog and buffalo hunters than anything else. I counted like 4 different moose kills in last 5 years. Not many for a expert moose guide!
I got a long rant/message too. Didn’t answer any of my questions though.
Here is a nice American Bison and the happy hunter.
The new hot topic on bowsite
Some nice deer on the website. Interesting read
Any guided xbow hunters? I’d like some PMs
Lol, I wondered when this thread would blow up!.. ^^ I totally agree with Quinn@work’s recap of the thread.
Tdvorak, thanks again for being a sponsor.. I think your best bet at this point would be to post lots of big moose pics from all the feverishly loyal customers.. pictures speak a thousand words... and you should have lots of pics since you’re there personally for every kill!
that is an excellent buffalo
I've gotten a nasty PM too. Apparently I'm jealous.
Nick, I don't really think I have a reason to be jealous of Willies moose hunting do I?
This place is starting to act like the far left twitter mob. Bunch of fakenews & NO FACTS.
So... have a missed something, or is TBM an outfitter now???
I'm feeling awesome rowdiness...................or is it rowdy awesomeness?
After looking at the first pic of this bull I posted I thought there might be a question of the weapon used to bring down this awesome buffalo. The hunter missed but regained his composure to get the job done. A miss is hard to bounce back from! The hunter did a great job! It was a fantastic day on the prairie.
How about some more moose pics?
Do you do any Alaska caribou hunts currently or is the focus just moose
That is a nice looking Buff-------->
Good luck, Robb
Gotta love the off season.....
The best part is after a hard day of hunting he can sing you Willie Nelson songs.