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Border opening Date?
Has anyone heard anything about the border in Ca.?
Closed until at least July 21st.
From the looks of it Sounds like there is no plan to open it anytime soon. The canadiens don't want it open. I don't think fall hunting by Americans will have any political motivation either....
Strange, many outfits I've talked to in Ontario are dying for it to open.
Yeah the outfitters and lodges are desperate for it to open. Unfortunately Trudeau couldn't care less if a large portion of them go under. It's time to realize we are all going to have to figure out how to deal with the virus and open things up. Its not going away and its everywhere not just in the U.S.
Hell, would you open it if you were Canada? We have the highest numbers in the world and aren't doing anything to slow it down. After all, we're Americans and are "entitled".
I know wearing a mask is forbidden for Trump supporters, but they should consider that nothing gives them the right to be cavalier about other people's health.
Even Canada does not mandate masks and I'll be shocked if we ever do so.
Have a NF moose hunt for 27 Sep - 04 Oct and doubt we will be able to go.
^....."I know wearing a mask is forbidden for Trump supporters, but they should consider that nothing gives them the right to be cavalier about other people's health."
I deal with Covid stuff all the time with the guides association. I am still hopeful for a fall opening, but with recent spikes in many states I am now having my doubts. Our loser Prime Minister will keep the borders call an election for this fall and win a majority just from "saving Canadians from Covid"
Agreed Doug....I dont see a border opening to non-essential travel until the fall at earliest. With recent spikes, pressure from Premiers and JT's comments as of late, I dont see it happening any time soon. Who knows though, this whole thing has been an evolving 'guess' as it happens
LKH- most of the NorthEast has been mandating masks in public for months! Most of PA is now in the GREEN phase which lifts a lot of restrictions, but masks are STILL mandatory! Same with NY and NJ. So if you want to enter ANY business, you must wear a mask. Most businesses have a sign posted at the door that says NO MASK, NO ENTRY! or something similar.
Rut Nut, glad to hear it. Wife has made and donated about 300 masks so far but here in MT most people don't wear them. With our climbing numbers that may change. It's about the only thing we can do until we, hopefully, get a vaccine.
God those walleyes gotta be getting damn hungry up there by now!
The big problem is that neither country has a comprehensive plan going forward! Waiting for a half effective flu vaccine that may be made in the next year or two while we hide behind masks and closed borders while our economy crumbles is not a plan. It has no logical conclusion or timeline. Testing and tracing is also complete bull with widespread community transmission on the unstoppable go.
Living with this new flu risk, allowing the spread amongst healthy people while they get back to work, opening the economy and borders, and putting government money into protecting the vulnerable is a plan. We will be headed toward herd immunity and maybe a vaccine will come along that will help that out. Sweden is literally the only country in the world with an actual plan.
New regulations for Ontario hunting outfitters state that when animals are retrieved, hunters and guides must wear face masks and gloves. No joke!! Cabins cannot be cleaned the same day of departure for safety of cleaners. Its totally ridiculous!! 2 days ago Trudope said he was in no hurry to open the border... Ford extended state of emergency in Ontario again today. Eastern and Southern Ontario is ruining it for all in Canada. Ontario has the highest rate of infections now.
July 31rst will be when the decision will be made by us at Pine Acres, on the 2 weeks of August dates... hunt for August is a go at this point. We will announce at end of July. For Spring 2020 hunters moved to Fall 2020, pic a date in Spring **2022** as your alternate if booked for August 15th or 23rd 2020. Hunters who originally booked a Fall 2020 date, can get same dates for Fall 2021. Sorry, but out of our control!! No tags available for 2021 Spring, Bear tags are all taken for Spring 2021. The extra tags we did have for spring 2021 were taken by booked hunters in the health care system that could not change their dates for a fall hunt this year.
*** On the bright side... I am seeing bears running around everywhere!!
Spike....that sucks. If they get desperate....could the Ministry could pull your tags to prevent you from bringing in hunters?
There has been no one in the issuing office. Tags were ready to go back in May but no one's in the office to hand them out. Outfitters will still have to pay for BMA's hunt or not. But hopefully things will all work out.
"STILL mandatory! Same with NY and NJ. So if you want to enter ANY business, you must wear a mask."
Not true. Many businesses leave it entirely up to the customer. It is a recommendation - not a law or "mandatory".
With the recent spike in cases in US, and EU considering a travel ban, not looking good. My BC moose hunt looking more like '21. Have to wait and see.
I have a bad feeling all fall hunts are going to get canceled.
Thanks for the update, spike buck. Not sounding too good, but fingers are still crossed for our August hunt!
"It is a recommendation - not a law or "mandatory"."
And therein lies the problem. People are too stupid to even do what's in THEIR best interest. Wearing a mask indoors or in crowded areas is a minuscule price to pay to help keep this tamped down. Until EVERYONE takes this seriously, NO ONE will be allowed to travel unimpeded as they wish. You can either do the mature thing, and take every precaution as we try to get back to some semblance of "normalcy", or you can act like Trump, and just declare it over because you have a very limited attention span and are weary of it.
Pretty harsh Ziek. We live in a country where we have some freedom of choice. People aren’t forced to do vaccinations, it’s their choice. The list goes on. You may think everyone should wear a mask, but that’s your choice. One day I read that a mask is the answer. The next day I read that they really don’t help. Which one do I choose?
Yes, it's your choice, but then don't complain about the restrictions that largely result from making the wrong choice. It's been shown that wearing a mask protects others as much or more than the wearer, and it DOES make a difference. So you can be part of the solution, or part of the problem. Either way, your best chance to hunt this fall depends on where we are with the virus.
"One day I read that a mask is the answer. The next day I read that they really don’t help. Which one do I choose?" Do the opposite of whatever Trump says.
Sick people should be quarantined not healthy. We do have choices in our country. If you are not comfortable with me not wearing a mask stay home. My choice is my freedom. You have a choice as well.
When your "choice" puts others at risk, then your freedom becomes their repression.
Ziek you write that "its been shown that wearing a mask....does make a difference" that's one view. I have seen plenty more where medical professionals say it makes it worse due to how much touching ppl do to the mask and ultimate spread it more. Just because you have one opinion doesn't make it the "right" opinion necessarily. I love the argument that it's such a minor inconvenience how can you not. Same argument they used for the initial quarantine. If you don't then you are killing people and have blood on your hands, you only are minority inconvenienced having to stay home. They keep using the argument to take away your freedoms and in my estimation our constitutional rights.
I have relatives in the medical profession that tell me that mask wearing isn’t the answer. Unless you are wearing the N95s, its useless. Most masks are barely slowing things down. And then we have to consider proper mask usage. How many people are using the same mask over and over thus contaminating the mask and their hands. It’s like putting a bandaid on instead of a tourniquet.
Thanks for that bit of wisdom Matt. The State of MN has done enough repression based on computer models and a one size fits all plan. Not thinking I am too big of a problem.
Unfortunately that is exactly how they spin it grey ghost. Your choice to drive to work puts others on the road at risk. Stop being selfish and stay off the road. Everything we do puts others at risk. Life has risk. Stop spouting off how not wearing a mask puts others at risk. If you want safety by all means lock yourself up in your own house.
I'm so tired of the Ziek's of the world...
If you think that wearing masks is the cure for COVID, you're kidding yourself. WHO back pedaled a little bit on their statement that asymptomatic people don't spread as being premature, but they still say asymptomatic people are unlikely to spread...
New cases are on the rise, but I have not seen a chart of the # of tests being given to achieve those new cases. I assume the number of tests being conducted continues to rise as well. IF we test 1000 people this week and find 50 cases, and 1500 people next week and get 60 cases, that's an increase in "new cases" but at a lower "rate" per test than before. If those people we're testing and getting positives for are largely asymptomatic, who cares? Chances are, we have been infected at a higher rate all along and people were never tested. Most of these asymptomatic tests are due to contact tracing individuals who were exposed to someone with a confirmed case, not because they had symptoms and got tested. Follow the death rates, that has been falling consistently for a while now. More cases, less deaths. If we were still only testing symptomatic people like we were 60 days ago the narrative would be different.
People squawking about masks or travel or.... are kidding themselves and looking for someone to blame. Sit down Karen, some of us have work to do and lives to live?!
"Sit down Karen, some of us have work to do and lives to live?!"
Haha, badlander thanks for a "Karen" reference! Given that these are males, I'd prefer it if you said "Sit down Todd, some of us have work to do and lives to live?!" KFAN listeners will understand where that came from.
Oh, and terribly sorry to all of the Karen and Todds of the world... :)
"I'm getting really sick and tired of guys named Todd"
George Carlin, and also Meatsauce....!
Scoot - its 2020, how dare you assume Karen's gender. Jeez.
somebody's getting poofed for gender bias nah nah na nah nah
Well, for what it's worth (very little)....I think we accomplished what we set out to do already and that was to flatten the curve. Now it's time to "rip the band-aid off" and let it move through society. If it is truly as contagious as they tell us, there will be no avoiding exposure and eventually we all will have to deal with it at one level or another. Some things just aren't worth the trade-off. So..... let's roll! And this is from a 65 year old diabetic!
Other than the extreme few members of society in Canada that are business owners dependent upon US $ for revenue - EVERYONE else wants the borders to stay closed. Remember this - Canada is more socialist and left leaning than the US. Most people here are extremely happy to live on government subsidies, and leave the risk elsewhere. Government deficits mean nothing. What does it matter?
Picture a parent/child relationship where the parents listen to whatever the children want them to do, with zero education of the ramifications. That's our country right now.
I heard a funny quote one day: "Picture how dumb the average person is. And now realize that half the people are dumber than that."
Every rule every law restricts Americans freedoms. People just don't get it. If you wish to live in fear that is your choice. There is risk in everything you do. Almost got wrecked twice today over in Minneapolis area. My choice to be here and drive. You make the choice to go out and interact or not. You don't like me exercising my freedom stay away. Every new law to keep us "safe" is a restriction. Geez open your eyes. Government overreach. You want big brother go for it not me or mine.
Texas just went back into lockdown mode.... Abbott just announced.
Now, call me racist but.... in Toronto ( Windsor now the Hotspot) and many other Eastern and Southern Ontario and Quebec Cities, there are HUGE families living under one roof. They come from countries where that's how they live. Produces a COVID nightmare under those roofs these new Canadians live under. We are suffering because Trudope just kept on bringing in the so called Canadians from abroad as this Covid was developing. Trudeau is at fault... no one else in my mind. He is still allowing it at this time.
Maybe this post will be deleted... but that's what I think!!
California announced the Mexico border would stay open! So that’s good. Eye roll...
I don’t know that I am informed enough to enter a debate on mask usage. I do wonder if they don’t work, then why do surgeons wear them?
If it is good enough for them it is good enough for me.
BTW, I am at the Atlanta airport. Two guys just left the men’s room without washing their hands. Ughhhhh.
"then why do surgeons wear them?"
They are in a sterile environment - you are not.
Pandemics they last for years not a few months
There's vaccine's... last pandemic lasted 2.5 or so years. Spanish Flu late 1917 to 1920. A vaccine for Spanish Flu came decades later if I remember correctly.
Give me liberty or give me death. To quote Patrick Henry.
BORDER OPENING DATE?! That’s the thread title. Can we cut the political stuff? Can anyone here say what needs to be OBJECTIVELY MEASURED to say that it’s safe to open the borders?! The measurement used to be we need to FLATTEN THE CURVE to NOT OVERWHELM OUR HOSPITALS. That has been achieved. Now what’s the marker? What is it?!
If no one here knows then we are all as dumb as our politicians with no end in sight for the borders to open!
Hey Mike. I wish we could! I feel for you guys. I had to cancel a fly in fishing trip that we have done for years. I can always do another trip, but the outfitter is the one truly suffering. Hope the Canadian gov is helping you guys out!!
The marker will be when Outfitters stop to think how they can safely open our borders for our customers. Outfitters here are putting our heads together on how to "Safely" open the border. Many great ideas. Our organization is constantly talking to our MP's and MPP's on the border.
I suggest Outfitters across Canada have a plan as the Border closure possibly will be here for quite awhile. I heard till end of year...
Until you are exposed to it there is no cure, etc. A vaccine is not a cure as with influenza. This virus is closer to pertussis then influenza. It not a matter of if but when. Open the border.
Trudeau acts like he is the sheep dog watching over his flock. He said today, business comes second to the health of Canada's citizens. He will not open the border till its safe to open. Unfortunately, he is the deciding factor. He is NOT in a hurry!!
The plan should be to open the border immediately because the only measurable goal has been achieved. The rest is smoke and mirrors. It will be no different today than a month from now or 6 months from now or maybe a year or more. The only next measurable goal is how much economic pain Canada can suffer through before they are forced to just let us get used to this new risk in life.
Whoops sorry for the multi posts. The problem is the goal posts is constantly moving for the decision makers. Whether its deciding what does stay open or stay closed. How many cases and at what rate they are increasing/ decreasing. Feels like blind politicians playing darts
The best way is to have hunters bring a recent negative c-19 test to cross the border. Then they can "isolate" while hunting and test on the way out, as well as the guide/outfitter they came in contact with. That would catch anyone who contracted c-19 in transit. healthcare workers are regularly tested weekly in high infection areas. Just apply it to the rest of the job sectors.
Keep it closed!
Open the Border up.... Outfitters can bring up Americans into their camps and keep them isolated. The Ontario government and the media are scare mongers and I see many Ontarioan's are falling for their tactics and want it closed!! Those Eastern and Southern Ontario Folks who are SCARED can stay in their cocoon till its over LOL
My clients will have absolutely "NO" outside contact once they arrive in camp. Our Outfitter organization have it figured out!!
** hunters buy their hunting and fishing licenses from their home before they leave to Canada.
**Hunters bring groceries into Canada. Allowed 3 days worth each.
** When clients leave their camps, go straight to the bear baits. Travel only to Outfitters BMA's or lakes they are going to fish. Many fishing camps are on lakes so no problem for them.
** Outfitters now can take the temperature of all arriving into camp.
** Hunters have a receipt and proof of their stay at a camp. Fined if they stray away from where they are suppose to be.
**If hunters or fishers need something while in camp, outfitters can get it delivered by an outside business. Contactless. Such as groceries or beer , miinows etc.
** stay your distance while in camps.
Many come to Canada to fish and hunt in peace.... What I have planned will do just that..... thanks to our Outfitters Organization it will work!!! It is already where Outfitters are dealing with Residents.
***At Pine Acres Camp, we have 2 entrances or exits.... I will shut the gates that go directly into the town of Vermilion Bay and open the gate out to the highway. Town folk wont even know my hunters are here. But they will eventually realise the gate is closed into town when the businesses have no AMERICAN DOLLARS in their till this year!!!
Scumfrog, let us get back to business. Scumfrog, what will be your feeling when your tax dollars are going to be used to bail out the outfitters you want to keep closed!!! I got word yesterday OMNRF will be coming out with a plan in the next couple of days. Thanks for your hard earned dollars!!!
Chris that makes too much commonsense. Politicians won't go for it.
I get it, a lot of outfitters are losing money and their livelihood depends on it. Feels a little selfish to mandate opening the border for that reason. I for one have been enjoying how quiet the lakes are up here lately, and yes South Farm, the walleyes are starving... feels like I'm starting to get tendinitis in my rod shoulder.
Your ignorance is showing Kannuck!!
Can JT be recalled by the folks? I'm not familiar with the procedures to remove a PM....if there are any at all.
If you do not get that it is not just outfitters that are being crippled you never will get it. Look beyond what is put out there and what the ultimate goal if the politicians in your area really is. Globally look at the desire to have ruling order.
Just add a negative C-19 test to that Outfitter isolation protocol and there is no reason to keep the border closed!
A Prime Minister can have a vote of Non Confidence against him if the PM has a minority government. Justin Trudope has a Minority Government. So yes we can get rid of him if he makes a wrong move.
It's interesting to see how dependent Canadian outfitters are on US hunter's money. I don't see US outfitters squawking about the borders nearly as much. Just an observation. Flame away.
Spike, what does the No Confidence vote do there? Is it like a recall?
With the way the virus is taking off again, I doubt they'll open the border without a confirmation test that travelers are Covid negative at the border. And with that, a plan for what to do if one of a group is positive. Just sending them back across the states to home, spreading the virus as they go, doesn't seem like a good idea. Escort to a mandatory quarantine site? At who's expense?
I'm hoping for NLT June 2021
"It's interesting to see how dependent Canadian outfitters are on US hunter's money. I don't see US outfitters squawking about the borders nearly as much. Just an observation. Flame away. "
Dude what the phuk is your problem?
When the parties in Canada, NDP or Conservatives, don't like something the sitting government did or is about to do, they will take a vote of non confidence against the sitting government. If the vote tips against the government, an election is called. A vote of non confidence can only happen if the sitting government has a minority government.
Matt, I have never had a Resident Bear hunter in camp. 100% us clients. So, we are dependant on Americans. I guess you can also say, the locals here are too.
Yes Canada is very dependent on the USA for tourism, in fact Tourism is one of the top industries in Canada for its whole economy. Non resident hunting is a small part of that but a closed border hurts all Canadians and it hurts the Americans who love to come here! There are also regions of the USA that rely heavily on Canadian snowbird tourism and investment. The border needs to open NOW simply because there will be no difference now than 6 months from now, why wait?! Seriously can anyone explain the reason to wait or what “safe” from the virus even means?!
I am not saying we should keep the border closed, but I am convinced this is about buying more time now for a vaccine to make it to the market. Buy time, reduce deaths, maybe some really think this is the moral approach.
Nah, just kidding, it's about getting rid of Trump and government's worldwide taking complete control over our lives and this is the first step to break us in;-)
"There are also regions of the USA that rely heavily on Canadian snowbird tourism and investment."
Mike.....I see ALOT of Canadian license plates in the Daytona area while we're snowbirding for a few months. Alot of Quebec license plates show up down there when it snows up north. I talked to a few of them from time to time. I think many are also home or condo owners down there too. So ya....alot of Canadian money is spent down that way.
I have a feeling this closed border issue is going to go on for a long time ... and when it's all settled there will be strict rules for Americans to be able to cross.
I think that Canada should keep the border closed but the U.S.A. should open their side so I can go to Montana and Nebraska this fall lol A vote of non-confidence does not always end in an election and if it does many times the turfed party comes back with a majority like what happened to JT's old man and to Harper so be careful with that ! Plus I have a hard time agreeing with much spike buck has to say on this anyway . I know you are hurting as many are but trying to blame other parts of your province all the time is getting old ! Last time I checked most outfits want to charge me in U.S. funds to hunt in my own country also so I will never hunt with one !!
Timbrhuntr ( Mr Bailey), of Windsor, of course you don't agree with me. Your a resident. You live and work where Covi19 is festering ( Windsor Area). You are suffering with a major outbreak and you want the rest of the country to suffer along with you. Wear your mask and stay in your little cocoon.
My bear hunts are, say $1550.00 USDa resident can hunt if he pays 2100.00 CAD. The cost of a hunt is actually $2100.00 CAD but when he pays in USD he gets the American hunter a discount.
Besides Timbrhunter TE Bailey, you are waaaaay too much of a whiner to come to my camp!! I had a group of residents. just like you in camp for deer season a few years back. All guys like you do is bitch about Americans shooting all the big buck. But in reality, guys like you don't know how to hunt like the real hunters. Mr. Bailey of Windsor Ontario, the Covid hotspot of Canada,you hate Americans and just plain don't want them here!! But yet, you have a family member working in America, making USD. You hypocrite...
Spike, if I live through Covid and the nasty personal health problem I am facing, I will gladly engage your services for a deer hunt in the coming future. Not much fun going on in either country right now. Just try to stay in business! All my snowbird friends from Ontario are back in country but cannot cross south of the St. Lawrence to their summer RV park! Sucks.
Whether we have a bear hunt or not, covid or not, if the border is open.... I will be in America this winter. On Fort Myers Beach to be exact. Had it booked before the covid 19. I'll save over $10,000.00 USD on shows that I do not have to go. After finalizing the alternate dates I will have all spots taken for the next 2 years. Stay Healthy Ken!!
I see in the news now that some countries are allowing people to enter, and not do a 14 day quarantine, with a recent negative Covid test. Not one done at the airport but one done within 24 hrs. Hawaii is considering it. While not perfect this would certainly be a reasonable solution to a “safe” reopening I would think?
Agreed Mike. There are ways to do this and keep folks moving. A one size fits all shut down is not good for anyone, hopefully that is obvious by now. People can make their own choice and stay home if they are afraid of getting sick or have other health issues. There needs to be some common sense. These little dictators like fauci and cuomo and the like are really getting off on this. They are sick. Fauci says there's a large group of people that don't believe in science......Hmmm....wonder why? Half of what they have told us has been wrong!!! How can we trust anything that comes out of a snakes mouth? Changes everyday. I can't imagine being an outfitter right now in this environment. My heart goes out to you guys.....I hope it gets better for you soon.
So Mike, let me see if I have this right ... if I come north and test positive at the border, I have to stay at your place and hunt for 14 days? That sounds like a reasonable solution, sign me up!
Let's hang in there guys, this will all be over on November 3 (at the latest) when Trump wins reelection.
are people able to get the test done and have results within 24 hours of flying? I was tested late last month and it took 3 days for results
There was another spike in Ontario again. Most infections in the Windsor Ontario infected area again (257) new cases. Everyone in the windsor area needs masks and go back into lockdown. Wish they, Windsor City Dwellers, would all learn how to wash their hands and get into proper personal hygiene, Timbrhuntr, so the rest of Canada can get on with life!!
So, Doug Ford will allow nail salons to open in Southern Ontario. Now there are almost 100 people infected because of these open businesses. But keep the border closed!!! Such idiots!!
The premiere allowed foreign workers to come into Windsor essex county, across from Detroit. Said no one from the area wants to work in the field from Windsor area. Now there are over 70 Mexican foreign workers infected in the area with one recent death.
I don't expect the border to open anytime soon. They will just keep pushing back the date by 30 days at a time ...We have a house in Quebec that we spend the summers at and I am planning on not being able to visit it at all this year...and my annual November deer hunt in Ontario I am guessing won't happen. I am worried for my Canadian outfitter friends.
Even if it opens if the hard14 day quarantine remains it's still a non-starter
We have plans for a November hunt and I'm feeling about 99% certain that we are screwed...
Well, Europe just closed it's country to U.S. citizens. With our recent spike in Covis cases. I doubt Canada will look at things any different. I feel bad about the guys that have trips booked there.
We are still hopeful on the reopening of the border , it would suck to have to chase around these big bulls up here for a month or two with no hunters . Nobody to help eat the backstraps or fresh fish . lol JK , We are looking forward to hosting several fine bowhunters again this fall .
Have spent 30+ summers working and guiding at fly-in fishing camps in northern Sask or the Arctic. First time I’ve seen empty docks; no planes, boats or fishermen. Bizarre.
It’s a very nice picture though Rob!
Hi Mike never any shortage of scenery in the north! This is Lake Athabasca at Otherside River. Buddies go fishing off the dock at coffee breaks they’re catching lotsa good walleyes too.
I am hopeful that Canada adopts an AK type approach that requires a negative Covid 19 test. If not, I doubt the border will open with the surge in the US. Good luck folks.
Heck, I’m holding off buy a tag and hunt in New Mexico I have lined up because of the Governor’s mandatory 14 day quarantine If you fly in. Not gonna happen if that stays a requirement.
Spike buck your response is as expected shows just how deep your ignorance really goes !!
when he pays in USD he gets the American hunter a discount.
Hahahahahaha!!! Ok that is just too funny right there !!
I don't know...at least in the US I am going elk hunting. Backpack elk hunting is the definition of self isolation IMHO. I am driving to New Mexico, will sleep in my truck along the way, pack my lunch, and hit the trailhead...
I totally agree ERIC! A negative Covid test just before flying is the only possible solution...we will see. Thanks for the good luck wishes!
I'll be surprised if the border is open before Jan 1.
I agree ground hunter but what did you experience that provided you that level of clarity
Maybe if I put a Acme Moose Extermination, LLC sign on my vehicle I could get through to BC in October. I will be considered a commercial endeavor
Black Bear population control specialist... AKA Bear hunter. Sounds like a good reason for essential travel to me!
His last statement is so true we in US have to get this place under control
Zebrakiller is correct. Until cases drop significantly the border is not opening.
Spike buck...get your info straight. Windsor is almost covid free...it's the migrant workers that are housed in close quarters out in the county that are infected...3 deaths and hundreds infected. And Windsor being across from Detroit, I hope the border stays closed since Michigan is being devastated with the virus. We are required to wear masks when entering any retail store in the city...we have it under control.
My info comes from Toronto News, CP24. But glad your area now has it under control.
Ace- Slightly confused by your post. You said this will all be over when Trump wins re-election. How will that solve this? He is the a president now.
With over 2 million infected in the USA I think will be no border opening for a long time
Skull, there was 2 million infected. Many of the 2 million have recovered!!
Almost 3 million as today
They have extended the 14 day quarantine through August 31st. So, that effectively eliminates most if not all September hunts. Even if they open the border, which is unlikely, the 14 day quarantine rule makes it effectively closed to American Hunters. Really sucks!
3 million cases for 340,000,000 ***most of them resolved. Canada, 104,000 for Canada's population of 34,000,000.
Posted a link to a CBC article on the NWT and outfitted hunting (or lack there of) in 2020 in a new thread.
Spike Buck show me where they say that 3 million cases are almost solved, you have to try little bit more harder to convince people with your statement, I have prove, we are talking about why the border is not going to open any time soon, way to many cases, like Say before this is a pandemic is going to last long time
Skull, there have been 2,847,762 reported cases in total in the USA since keeping track back in January. Many of those reported cases since January have been resolved. 864,762 covid cases have been resolved and 131,509 deaths. Leaving 1,851,198 active cases.
I did see that USA did add 105,628 new cases Thursday and 1362 deaths.
For instance, W. Virginia has had 3077 confirmed cases since tracking began. Out of the 3077 confirmed cases there are 2385 recoveries. Your only looking at the confirmed but choose not to be looking at how many have recovered. So, that means there are only a little over 700 active cases in W. Virginia. I did not figure in the deaths due to covid.
I agree Skull fall season is looking dimmer all the time. If it does not happen... there is next year!! But I wont call it till July 30th. Still have our Nov and Dec deer season hopefully. Along with our busy Winter Wolf hunt.
I’m an outfitter in 3 provinces. We hope that 2021 fall season will see the USA Canada border open up. In NS we had 3 new cases this week covid19. One person from Texas, 1 Mexican foreign worker and another from Central Ontario. All travel related. We did go 20 days with no cases prior to Tuesday.
You are done 2 week mandatory quarantine extended to August 31
2 Minnesota residents crossed the border yesterday. Were suppose to quarantine for 2 weeks. They stopped at a grocery store as soon as they left the customs. OPP fined them $1000.00.
Pete, that's old news.
Is there anyway a quarantine hunt could be created? A hunter(s) come up, isolated for two weeks in the bush, then does the hunt, then goes back home? The hunters would need a place to hole up for the 14 days. If an outfitter had numerous camps the hunters could stay at for 14 days and then do the hunt....would that work? The hunters would have to be self-sufficient with food and supplies to get thru the 2 plus weeks. At least the outfitters would have some business moving thru vs nothing. Some guys might like being holed up in the bush for that long....those would be your target customers.
Spike, still hoping for reason to return. It’s important to me that you’re able to earn a living. Whatever the risk proves to be I don’t believe it’s going away.
Randy, I agree. Its not going away anytime soon. We are prepared for whatever comes our way. Tourist resorts in NW Ontario have been pulling their hair out trying to figure out what Ford's next move is. Pine Acres will be around for years to come. I enjoy bear hunting too much to give up!!
I talked to the lady today at Walmart who prepares the Bear form #33's. She said no one will be in the office until end of August. Pretty bad when info is given at Walmart rather than the OMNRF office giving it. But of course this is the Ford government in office, I don't expect much.
Our outfitter just moved us to 2021 he's thinking it's not gonna happen as far as the border opening this fall.
Government official under Trudeau unofficially says border closed till August 21rst. Official announcement coming soon.
The way they are doing this is painful. Lost Alberta June bear hunt and my oct bow hunt for Moose is slowly being taken away
On Toronto News, it said that the US Congress wants Canada and US to get a plan figured out to reopen the border as soon as possible. I agree with the US Congress!!
I read an article that claimed 80% of Canadians support keeping it closed. Hard for me to see it opening this year
Might be but the US Congress is actually pushing to get the Canadian government to get a plan for a reopening. Just because 80% want it closed doesn't mean they will get their way. Most of them wanting it closed is mostly out of spite. The US does have some say in the matter...
Can you blame them? Covid 19 cases are skyrocketing in the US. Today recorded the largest daily positive cases since the first case in the US was recorded.
Its closed both ways, yes but both sides have to agree to the closure. I am more so just dreaming!!
I bet the US border opens before the Canadian... if it does I'm going South for a bit!!
Canadian tourists can fly to the lower 48 States with no 14 day quarantine. I personally know people who have done it, even for non essential travel. Canadians have to quarantine for 14 days only after they come back to Canada.
Also as spike buck says Members of the US Congress are asking the Canadian government to agree to an objective measurement of what needs to happen to allow the border to be opened. I think that makes too much sense for politicians to agree to that though!!
That crooked POS drama queen got caught with his hand in the cookie jar - for the 3rd time that we know of. Another phonyass public apology will once again keep the fraud charges at bay. That loser shouldn’t be in charge of a kiddie ride at the mall let alone Canada and it’s borders.
Cut the guy same slack Rob. He's got a very bad yeast infection going on right now.
Just read that some epidemiologist in Toronto claims the border should stay closed until at least the end of the year due to the rising case rate in the US. Not sure if he is tied to the Govt decisions but I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel....
Just announced the closure will be extended till August 21rst.
Even when they eventually open you can bet it will not help hunters as the following will live on longer than the actual closure does:
"She said drastically limiting who has been able to enter the country over the last few months -- specifically international visitors -- has been key to Canada controlling the outbreak. Even when international travel can resume, Tam said the 14-day mandatory quarantine and follow-up enforcement of that order will remain "a cornerstone" of the disease control measures."
I have heard they are working to eliminate the 14 day quarantine for some visitors to Canada. That's the work from our outfitter association.
We have always stayed and hunted 2 weeks anyway with no need to go to town...so hoped that would not be an issue for us. The area we hunt in southern Ont. is open until late Oct I believe. Have never hunted that late...assume it is still good?
Southern Ontario was kept at stage 2. Rest of Ontario was moved up to Stage 3. But hope it all works out for you John.
I think this years a wright off for non resident hunting in Canada pray that they find a vaccine that works before next spring that’s the only thing that will turn this around Imo ,good luck all this year on your hunting and other situations your in, hope yous make it through ok. Blessings
Americans are welcome in only about 10 countries right now, most of them very small.
I agree with Alex. I feel if things don’t change pretty quickly the spring 2021 seasons could be in jeopardy. What a mess it all is.
Mark my words, Trudeau hates Trump... he will stretch this till the election, I have Canadians tell me he is an evil man with a disdain for Trump, he even skipped the all important USMC signing.
Scentman, that’s very, very true.
But then, Trump did refuse to shake Trudope’s hand, saying: “ last time I grabbed a pussy, I got in trouble over it.”
We have a local am radio talk show here in Buffalo, NY, very close to the border of our friend's in Canada... I listen to callers from up nort ehe more passionate than any US citizen, and they are yelling telling us not to become like them.
They have lost their freedom of speech and are very unhappy with their leadership... we are the last bastion of true freedom left in the world today, and sadly they even see it crumbling before their eyes... as America goes so goes the rest of the nations and Canadians know this first hand.
Was sent this by another resort!!
I'm in North Dakota in a hell hole small town approx. 40 miles from the border. I took a drive up towards the border last weekend. When I got about 1/4 mile from the station, two guards came out and I could tell it wasn't for the usual friendly crossing. I waved as I turned around. They didn't wave back. It's over this year guys.
Well, they just might surprise you and me Chief. If they do, Bonus!!
Anyways, some data was posted today. For the month of June 2020, there were 531 US citizens that crossed into Canada at Fort Frances. Down from 60,545 the same month of June 2019. I have a feeling the Liberals are just now realizing the amount of tourist dollars staying State side.
One thing I can say for sure is that it looks like 36 Ports of Entry have been identified and will have PHAC (Public Health Agency) screening officers placed at them for whats looking like a least a 6 month period right now. The various 36 ports look like they've been identified and my guess is that as a part of a 'phased opening' having these screening officers placed for enhanced screening procedures.
We are outfitters in Ontario and the border will remain closed at least until August 21 as well as a 14 day quarantine once you get to your destination, which means you can not leave your property for 14 days to go anywhere.
Old news Shadow... they are working on it. Talking about September.
They aren’t even letting the blue jays play in Canada
Toronto and Windsor is still in phase 2, have to wear masks etc. All West of Toronto is phase 3.... no restrictions as of yesterday. 36 border entries only.
36 border entries means what?
will be manned by Public health Agency Officers to monitor border crossers.
Toronto Blue Jays can't play in their own country so they set up shop in Buffalo New York.
Bou'bound all I know right now is they are adding PHAC screening officers to that number of ports of entry to begin with, to assist in Covid screening. Likely something that should have happened months ago but most resources were directed to airports at the initial time of closures.
Rackmastr knows what he is talking about!!
Maybe that’s progress and hope
Think we are being told the truth about this ? I went on a fishing boat yesterday, Met a guy who said 2 of his friends went for a Covid test. After filling out all of the paperwork the line was moving so slowly that they decided the wait was too long, so they left (without getting tested). A few days Later they got contacted with their “results “. One positive one negative.
All kinds of inconsistencies in the numbers of cases, numbers of deaths etc.
We are being lied to, the reasons aren’t too tough to figure out ... continuing problems with the virus increase Trump’s chances of losing.
Why are they suddenly reporting Only on total cases? What happened to the earlier metrics?
Once there is a vaccine available watch how fast they tell us masks weren’t So effective after all.
https://youtu.be/uOJAJq9nnD0 entertainment for you guys
Dont worry boub, they wont get to hunt and tou can say I told you so...
I will be shocked if it opens this year. What a schizenshow.
Never know Rob.... no talk about extending the closure past Aug 21 yet that I have heard. Think positive!!
Spike; wish I could be more optimistic but can’t see Trudumass going against overwhelming polls showing the vast majority of Canuckians want it to stay closed while virus increasing south of border. Was expecting a banner year for big bears and deer. As others have mentioned 2021 should be incredible for trophies hitting the ground if zero pressure continues this year.
Ace you Aced it! All you need do is listen to the Cuomo babble, any logical person can conclude it does not pass the sniff test. They are making a colossal deal about the Marlins... why... because they come from a Conservative Governor state... that's why.
BUT killed thousands (6400+) in N.Y. nursing homes! : (
I made a mistake and read comment from poster above. Shut up! Is that civil?
Has anyone heard any updates? Will things open up on the 21st or will it get pushed back another 30 days?
Rodb. If you have a gun in the house. Please use it. You will be better off and we certainly will
Border opening 2021 fall. Is my guess. I hope I am so wrong
Cuomo killed thousands!! Are you kidding me Rodb? How come no one remembers this??? Cuomo literally begged and whined for more ventilators. He blamed trump for not getting him enough of them! All he did was bitch and moan about not having enough ventilators. A month later they decided the ventilators were literally killing people. His arrogance and Ignorance cost many people their lives as it was a death sentence to go on a ventilator. This is a fact! They are now trying At all cost To avoid ventilators. Yet we had to sit there and listen to his bullshit day in and day out. How he knows what’s best, how people need to do what he says.....on and on. He is a venomous liar and will be held accountable for his actions when his time is done. I pity the people of New York except they got what they voted for. Disgusting and sad.
I’m Booked this fall with rob... now this could be a little self centered but I’m living in the dreamworld that’s they will open to negative tests on Oct 31.. that meaning we will be maybe the. 2nd group n.. and we’ll have the bigger bucks on their feet during the rut..
I have fingers, toes and eyes crossed in hopes my American friends can come up here. Am expecting some of the best SK whitetail hunting in a long time; population is way up, and there were plenty of bucks around last Fall that will likely be something special this year.
"Cuomo babble saved a lot of New Yorkers lives unlike Florida or Texas..."
Deaths per 100K:
Florida 36 (also, 2nd oldest population in the country)
New York 281
Outstanding job, Cuomo!
I’m Booked this fall with rob... now this could be a little self centered but I’m living in the dreamworld that’s they will open to negative tests on Oct 31.. that meaning we will be maybe the. 2nd group n.. and we’ll have the bigger bucks on their feet during the rut..
The only visitor at Pine Acres so far in 2020!!
Should know any day now about the remainder of Fall Bear season. WE are ready to go for Sept!!! But we also realize its a good possibility its a no go... I will start a thread for Pine Acres Camp hunters soon...
Where we snowbird near Daytona/central Florida, there are quite a few snowbird Canadians who own homes, trailers and condo's there. It may be interesting how it plays out for them.
Keeping the faith still time
My moose bow hunt starts 10/1 Man I wish they’d do this as a rolling 2 months instead of month by month closure
My airline has cancelled my flight
It seems that the Canadian government makes the call about the15/16th each month. So Sept 15/16th I’ll find out if my hunt is on
I’m betting on it being closed and planning time in a Whitetail stand. I really can’t see it opening until there is a vaccine
If it’s on, I’ll have to figure out how to drive
I wish they would separate the northern half of provinces from the heavily populated, southern (Covid) halves.
won't be happening. though the fine is only 6 months in jail and $566,000 million for breaking it so some wealthy retired guys may choose to pay the price
There are Americans driving around here with US plates and there is no issues at all... locals welcome them here in the stores shopping. Talked to an American yesterday, been here for over 2 weeks. Said he's glad to be back in Canada!!! Gotta watch all the fake news out there...
Red Lake has been evacuated. There was a story from a Toronto news source stating the fire was caused by arson. News source said there were 4 men running around with propane tanks seen in the bush setting fires. Imagine the stress this News source created at the wrong time for the evacuees!!. Town was evacuated, but the fire was not arson. The fake news source took a photo of a credible local source and embedded their own story to make a fake story in the news...
unfortunately the border being closed is not fake news.
Talking with a friend who lives near our place in Newfy last night, he told me that the Great Northern Peninsula had no Covid until tourists from other provinces came. They are talking province to province restrictions, like the state restrictions we have in Northern NH and Maine for lodging. So far, no Covid here, but with the influx of New Yorkers and Mass people, it is inevitable. I have had two out of staters stop by my property trying to buy it. The one’s who manage to move up here will be gone once our 6 month long winter hits or they need a doctor and have to drive 35 miles. I did CPR on a heart attack victim for 2 hours waiting for transport two weeks ago. He was dead and when we finally were able to get the ME there so we could transport to a funeral home, 60 miles away, we had a hell of a time bagging him with rigor mortis setting in. City people have no idea what remote living means.
Todays news is not fake..... border closed till end of September!! Bears had a vacation from hunters... hope the bears enjoyed it.
Yep looks like another extension to Sept 21st was announced.
September 2021 .. not September 21, 2020.
Sept 21, 2020. Still hope for November hunt!!
Well ... my source said: "Meanwhile, Canada has extended its border closure with the US until at least September 2021."
So, no November hunt this year.
Spike Buck, Have you heard much about the Red Lake fire? Is it getting bigger?
My family has a place south of Red Lake. With no one up there, we only know what we can find in the news.
LTG 11 - go to this web page: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/red-lake-evacuated-crews-progress-1.5686257
LTG 11 - go to this web page: I have 2 good friends of that have cabins on Red - first time we've missed going up in the past 25 or so years. And another that has a bunch of property up there that he is going to sell - hope this doesn't derail his plans.
Deertick, this is from the Canadian Public Safety Minister Bill Blair on Twitter today:
Canada-U.S. border closure extended again amid tension over restrictions Rachel Aiello Ottawa News Bureau Online Producer @rachaiello Contact
Published Friday, August 14, 2020 10:42AM EDT Last Updated Friday, August 14, 2020 1:17PM EDT SHARE
45K OTTAWA -- Canadian and U.S. officials have agreed to keep the border between the two countries closed to non-essential travel for another month. This comes as both countries are still working to stop the spread of COVID-19, and as tensions continue to flare between Canadians and prospective American visitors.
The current extension of the cross-border agreement expires on August 21, though as the spread of COVID-19 continues in both countries, the restrictions on recreational travel will remain in place until at least Sept. 21. The ban on discretionary travel was first introduced in March and has been extended each month since.
“We are extending the reciprocal restrictions at the Canada-US border for another 30 days, till Sept. 21, 2020. We will continue to do what’s necessary to keep our communities safe,” tweeted Public Safety Minister Bill Blair.
LGT 11, we are getting about 3 inches of Rain today.... fire is held and going to be nearly out after this rain. Problem for Madsen is the hydro line from Red Lake to Madsen burnt up so no electricity for some. Evacuees are staying at empty camps around the region. WE have about 8 in camp here. Electricity will be up and running in no time.
I live on the border. According to my neighbor who works Border Patrol, no news, but they are betting that it won’t open until next year. My place is up on the Great Northern Peninsula of Newfy. According to friends up there, no Covid, but it is very remote. No Florida for the Canadians this winter if this continues.
Next year is my guess... hopefully the US allows us to enter in the new year!! Trump is a business man, bet he allows us to cross... I miss the hunters but getting tons of work done to our 4 camps. Work I have not had time to do other wise.
I think this year is shot, our politicians are using Canada's successes against Covid to try and win elections. The reason they only post border closures one month at a time is that "state of emergencies" are 30 days at a time. this is why there is a slow roll out of news around borders staying closed. State of emergencies allow them to close borders and push us around.
Unless we get rid of Trudeau in a vote of non confidence... there is always hope!!
Biden runs around with a mask and you ask if Canada will open borders....come on
Think that's bad.... everyone in Ontario and Quebec has to wear a mask!!
The federal government will extend the Canada-U.S. land border closure for another 30 days until Oct. 21. Not going happen for us!
Yes.... this time they said when the USA starts showing that there is a decline in cases they will reopen the border. New year might have it open.
What is their definition of “showing a decline in cases?”
I’m pretty sure this month and last have shown a decline.
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Source says Canadians should expect border to remain closed for longer Katie Simpson, Peter Zimonjic · CBC News · Posted: Sep 15, 2020 7:35 PM ET | Last Updated: September 15
Prime minister had clearly said border is going to remain closed until a vaccine is found Second waive is on the way, get ready for another Lockdown
There will be another lock down. Need to lock down now!! Unfortunately you Skull will be in the middle of it. Sudbury has active cases. Thanks to our neighbors to the South, a vaccine is expected in a month or 2. We have not an active case in many weeks!! Ford says no lockdown for us westerners!! Our camp has a busy Whitetail hunt at the end of Oct and into Nov (Residents).. Also the Ontario Provincial Government announced much needed help for Canadian (Citizens) owners of small businesses and Tourism Outfitters today... to start rolling soon!!
47 days to US election. Things will open soon after that.
Charlie You guys have the best president, I wish we had one like that here in Canada This is what we have to put up
Officially closed another month. Jointly announced today
Whatever you call I call it three cancelled trips
Gotta agree with woodguy65, what does a decline in cases as a measurement of safety even mean? Test less and you’ll get less cases, like Canada does. So stupid and so are lockdowns.
USA, 6,918,704 cases with 203,073 deaths for a 2.94% death rate.
Canada, 141,566 cases with 9,201 deaths for a 6.5% death rate.
And Canadians think we are doing so much better with a lower case rate.
Anyway, back to hunting elk, it will open when it opens. I feel bad for anyone missing their Canadian hunt and for fellow Canadian outfitters!
Great time to spend moose hunting with your kids . Love it !
Great time to spend moose hunting with your kids . Love it !
Moose are starting to rut
Moose are starting to rut
Reviving this thread. Anyone with a prediction of opening the border with current status/events? February? May?
Will be closed for a many more months.... said today that when cases are drastically reduced in both countries, then they might consider opening the border. They at this time, have not even looked into how to get it open during covid. Need a vaccine.
LOL! Now the BIG question...................what exactly do they consider “under control?!” ;-)
I really don't expect borders opening until spring at the earliest. Perhaps even after bear season. Our current government doesn't seem to really give a rats ass about small tourism businesses. Many of us Canadian outfitters are hurting and many won't open again once the borders do open. Disgusting display of social experimentation from Trudeau and company. IMO
On another note I did get to hunt for myself and took this beauty moose. First time I have been able to hunt myself during the rut.
Nice moose Doug! Congratulations. I hope the pack out wasn't too painful!
Maybe now with the snow birds trapped they can add some political pressure
I'm still hopeful for my 2021 hunt in BC.
Keep the faith,
I read this in the FNC article above......
""Canada, meanwhile, is dealing with a second wave that Trudeau called "really exhausting" on Wednesday.
The country reported 30,925 cases in the last two weeks, with 191,884 cases 9,709 deaths overall.""
It would seem JT has some splain'n to do with the border still being closed? The numbers show a current death rate of .05. The US shows up with a lower death rate at .027. IMO....if/when a successful vaccine comes to the market in the next few months, I can see the border opening then. I was at our local Walgreens yesterday and the pharmacist told me that they (Walgreens) already have the "vaccine" in their computer system so when an actual vaccine does hit the market, they can immediately start giving it.