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308 30-Jun-20
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308 01-Jul-20
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35-Acre 01-Jul-20
308 01-Jul-20
RIT 01-Jul-20
Ambush 01-Jul-20
Ambush 01-Jul-20
APauls 01-Jul-20
Ambush 01-Jul-20
APauls 02-Jul-20
RIT 02-Jul-20
lewis 02-Jul-20
308 22-Jul-20
t-roy 22-Jul-20
308 22-Jul-20
Mark Watkins 22-Jul-20
Mark Watkins 22-Jul-20
Mark Watkins 22-Jul-20
308 23-Jul-20
308 28-Jul-20
From: 308
30-Jun-20
New to sight, long time lurker.I have not tried t & m, more of a traditional light disking on all plots for the last 15 years or so. So here's my situation, due to time restraints this year I am unable to put as much time as usual into plots. I have a decent amount of rye in two different fields getting ready to go to seed. Some low growing weeds also in both fields need to be addressed. Is it possible to throw seed, purple tops, dwarf essex and forage radishes then spray with gly fertilize all in the same day? Possibly come back in a few days and mow. Thank you for your response in advance.

From: RIT
30-Jun-20
Sure it is. The challenge is spraying and effectively killing weeds that are under 5’ tall winter rye. When I spray I use a break away boom and if the WR is thick enough it trips my boom.

What I do when there is a fair amount of weeds below the WR is broadcast seeds into the standing vegetation, clip the WR just above the weeds, and then spray. Most of the time I don’t even go back and mow the weeds down. If you get a good kill those weeds won’t matter. After your brassicas are 4-6” tall you can hit with fertilizer if that’s your game. You can also broadcast more WR once they put on growth to fill in any bare spots and for additional forage.

From: 308
30-Jun-20
Perfect, thank you for your reply. I almost always overseed with rye in all our plots around Labor day. I will follow up with a report on how it turns out.

From: RIT
30-Jun-20
How are the current soil conditions? I imagine they are better than if you had bare soil. But this time of year can be a challenge for rain depending on where you are located. I have some clay and any area not covered by vegetation is like concrete.

From: 308
01-Jul-20
We've had a fairly wet and cool spring, clover plots look great. Last couple of weeks has been dry. Right now the soil is ok but a little on the dry side. I would try and time this planting prior to some rain if possible. Again thanks for your reply.

From: happygolucky
01-Jul-20

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I do all T&M. I do not till at all in my plots. A lot of the reason is because of how sandy or soil is and tilling would ruin it. My plots are all under an acre too. I do drag the plots after seeding.

The link is from a very lengthy thread on T&M.

From: 35-Acre
01-Jul-20
My plot is under 2 acres. I put down seed with a hand spreader. Typically also something like a 10-10-10. Once that is on the field, I spray and then dag the plot with a harrow rake behind my ATV. That helps knock things down plus the ATV tires help me get a little more seed-to-soil contact as I drive over them and the vegetation.

From: 308
01-Jul-20
We have a 8 or 10 ft harrow available. Maybe I can use that with teeth up to knock down standing rye and get better seed to soil contact?

From: RIT
01-Jul-20
The standing WR is not going to stop the seed from getting to the soil if you seed it before you knock it down or mow it. You would be amazed at how much seed reaches the soil. I think the bigger problem is spraying thru tall rye.

From: Ambush
01-Jul-20

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My rye finally came up, thick in some spots, sparse in others and not at all in about half of what I planted. My plan is to reseed the dead zones with rye Then leave the rest until I plant the brassicas/winter grub mix Into the standing rye then flatten with the new cultipacker.

From: Ambush
01-Jul-20

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There’s one higher up too. This year’s cubs.
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There’s one higher up too. This year’s cubs.
Of course, in four foot tall, thick rye, you can’t see these little buggers until they scitter up a tree twenty feet away and you have to wonder where momma is.

From: APauls
01-Jul-20
Hey Rod, Just curious why you don't let the sparse winter rye keep standing if you're going to have it in your fall mix anyways? With the heads naturally reseed as you drive over? Or are you concerned that you need the thatch as cover for your new seed?

From: Ambush
01-Jul-20
I may leave the sparse rye and just overseed rye into it. Or Roundup that along with the weed patches. The thick stuff I’m hoping has choked out the weeds and I’m hoping not to till it to bring more up. It’s been rainy for weeks and looks like it will continue, so might be a good time to seed more rye. Sure won’t be doing any Roundup any time soon. Sure wish I could get some buckwheat seed!

Oh, and I have no clue what I’m doing really.

From: APauls
02-Jul-20
Prob have more of a clue then most! But also second guessing planting rye now? It would be too tall by hunting season. Deer don't really like it when it's past a foot tall, so unless you're growing it for the purpose of killing it in a month and then planting more of it. But I'm pure internet knowledge so don't really listen to anything I say lol

From: RIT
02-Jul-20
I find that rye height doesn’t matter that much but very dependent on time of year. 18” rye in December gets smashed. But 18” rye in August gets ignored. I have watched from the stand plenty of times as deer pluck 20” rye out from the base and eat the entire stalk in late November. Probably more to do with better options. Another thing to be aware of is the invasive species Buckthorn. If you have common Buckthorn and you plant before September 1st (zone 6A) it can cause an issue with Winter Rye. I have seen it with August planted WR. I don’t deny that deer eat WR but it’s not the magic bullet. I use WR in all my plantings and add it over the top of everything just for the root structure and soil building properties. I like to plant into last years WR and then a month later add the WR right back over the top.

From: lewis
02-Jul-20
My wife and I broadcast 10 lbs of sorghum over standing wheat and oats.I then bushogged It.Checked yesterday and we have a good stand.We shall see.Lewis

From: 308
22-Jul-20
Getting ready to seed dwarf essex, purple tops and groundhog radish. What rate or amount of seed per acre? These are throw and mow plots, thank you 308.

From: t-roy
22-Jul-20
Roughly 10# to the acre, maybe a touch more if just broadcasted. Turnips don’t do well if planted too heavily.

From: 308
22-Jul-20
Thank you.

From: Mark Watkins
22-Jul-20
308,

RIT’s first post really says it all. Only thing I would do is after seeding, pull a heavy cultipacker over the seed. If you don’t have a cultipacker, then drive over it with an ATV to get seed to soil contact.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Mark

From: Mark Watkins
22-Jul-20
308,

RIT’s first post really says it all. Only thing I would do is after seeding, pull a heavy cultipacker over the seed. If you don’t have a cultipacker, then drive over it with an ATV to get seed to soil contact.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Mark

From: Mark Watkins
22-Jul-20
308,

RIT’s first post really says it all. Only thing I would do is after seeding, pull a heavy cultipacker over the seed. If you don’t have a cultipacker, then drive over it with an ATV to get seed to soil contact.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Mark

From: 308
23-Jul-20
Will do, thanks again.

From: 308
28-Jul-20
Got it done this weekend, very little rain in forcast. I will follow up with results. Thanks for everyone's help.

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