Summit Treestands
Clarifier in CO
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Contributors to this thread:
AllAround 04-Jul-20
JohnMC 04-Jul-20
Ambush 04-Jul-20
Ucsdryder 04-Jul-20
JohnMC 04-Jul-20
Ambush 04-Jul-20
Glunt@work 04-Jul-20
Skippy 05-Jul-20
x-man 05-Jul-20
Skippy 05-Jul-20
ElkNut1 05-Jul-20
Skippy 05-Jul-20
ElkNut1 05-Jul-20
JusPassin 05-Jul-20
Ambush 05-Jul-20
Inshart 05-Jul-20
Franklin 05-Jul-20
GF 05-Jul-20
BC173 05-Jul-20
CurveBow 07-Jul-20
wytex 07-Jul-20
WapitiBob 07-Jul-20
JohnMC 07-Jul-20
Pat Lefemine 07-Jul-20
fubar racin 07-Jul-20
x-man 07-Jul-20
txhunter58 07-Jul-20
x-man 07-Jul-20
AllAround 07-Jul-20
AllAround 07-Jul-20
Bou'bound 07-Jul-20
Bou'bound 07-Jul-20
wytex 07-Jul-20
cnelk 07-Jul-20
ElkNut1 07-Jul-20
smarba 07-Jul-20
jstephens61 08-Jul-20
txhunter58 08-Jul-20
Percy 08-Jul-20
smurph 08-Jul-20
Percy 08-Jul-20
Daff 09-Jul-20
jstephens61 09-Jul-20
jstephens61 09-Jul-20
Jaquomo 10-Jul-20
W8N4RUT 13-Jul-20
JohnMC 14-Jul-20
LFN 14-Jul-20
txhunter58 14-Jul-20
Twinetickler 14-Jul-20
x-man 15-Jul-20
txhunter58 15-Jul-20
txhunter58 15-Jul-20
x-man 15-Jul-20
Skippy 15-Jul-20
wytex 15-Jul-20
JohnMC 15-Jul-20
Skippy 23-Jul-20
From: AllAround
04-Jul-20
Are clarifier peeps( just the peep with a clarifier lens no magnification on sight) illegal in CO?

From: JohnMC
04-Jul-20
No

From: Ambush
04-Jul-20
So a verifier is illegal and a clarifier is legal?

From: Ucsdryder
04-Jul-20
I thought both were illegal

From: JohnMC
04-Jul-20
As long as it does not magnify it is legal.

From: Ambush
04-Jul-20
Are reading glasses illegal too?

From: Glunt@work
04-Jul-20
"Scopes and electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or attached to bow or arrow, with the exception of lighted nocks on arrows. Recording devices such as cameras or video recorders attached to bows may be used as long as they do not cast light toward the target or aid in range finding, sighting or shooting the bow"

Is a clarifier a scope? I don't know. I know I have a 1X scope on a rifle and it would be a scope by about anyone's definition.

From: Skippy
05-Jul-20
A verifier magnifies the pins, A clarifier magnifies the target. So is a verifier legal?

From: x-man
05-Jul-20
Actually a clarifier De-Magnifies the target and makes it smaller. It's sole purpose is to clear-up the blurriness of a magnified scope lens at the sight.

Neither of them will magnify or make the target seem closer.

I can't think of a single scenario where anyone would want to use a clarifier by itself without a scope lens at the sight.

From: Skippy
05-Jul-20
I have a verifier on my bow that clears up the fuzzy pins the same as my reading glasses make fuzzy words clear, is that not magnification?

From: ElkNut1
05-Jul-20
Verifiers are legal everywhere I've been. They do Not magnify the pins, they simply make your pins clear to see them, just like having prescription glasses. Verifiers come in different strengths depending on ones eyes just like glasses or contacts, they do not magnify.

ElkNut

From: Skippy
05-Jul-20
I have a verifier on my bow that clears up the fuzzy pins the same as my reading glasses make fuzzy words clear, is that not magnification?

From: ElkNut1
05-Jul-20
Skippy, no it's not. It simply clears your pins. It does not make your pins appear larger or smaller as a magnifying glass would by holding it closer or farther away.

ElkNut

From: JusPassin
05-Jul-20
If it makes the pins larger, it magnify s. If it only makes them clearer then it does not.

From: Ambush
05-Jul-20
Yes, a verifier definitely magnifies exactly the same as my reading glasses. But only at close range, more like “computer” glasses which are designed for almost arm’s length. I use a 1.5X verifier and can see my pins pretty good, but without it the pin is just a hazy little halo. The target is no better, but it’s not better without the verifier. That is to say, it doesn’t seem to magnify the target.

The verifiers that I use are sold by magnification strengths.

From: Inshart
05-Jul-20
I've been using a verifier for about 15 years (??) - hunted in MN, CO, ID, WY, and MT with it and believe they are legal. For me it does not magnify (enlarge) the sight pins, simply make them more clear.

At what point would a warden check your peep.

I guess this would be a good question for an optometrist.

From: Franklin
05-Jul-20
Are contact lenses still legal in Colorado?

From: GF
05-Jul-20
The regs posted above specify SCOPES. A Scope is a system of SEVERAL lenses which invert and rectify an image (and crosshairs or some functional equivalent, as a rule).

Not that it bothers me in the slightest to think about banning technological advances of about ANY description from Archery season, but a single lens is a single lens; whether you mount it in a peep or in glasses frames or apply it directly to your eyeball, it’s no different.

From: BC173
05-Jul-20
Whose to know

From: CurveBow
07-Jul-20
What Elknut1 said! I've used a Verifier peep for about 8 years now, including in CO. It does not magnify anything, it only corrects vision defects.

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From: wytex
07-Jul-20
Well made a call to CPW, according to the supervisor they are not legal. They have been brought up at commission meetings and have decided they are not legal for bowhunting. I would talk with a GW and ask specifically about them. Call the Hunt Planner number and ask for a supervisor also.

From: WapitiBob
07-Jul-20
If there wasn’t any magnification, it wouldn’t clear up your pins. If you need it, use it. Nobody is looking at your peep.

From: JohnMC
07-Jul-20
I just sent them a email. If they are not legal a lot of guys are breaking the law. I will post a response when I get it.

From: Pat Lefemine
07-Jul-20
At some point does it really matter? Is there a CO on the planet that will be that much of a stickler to actually cite someone for this? If so, they need to send that CO to work for the Seattle PD.

From: fubar racin
07-Jul-20
There used to be one that anal in co he recently lost his job for it.

From: x-man
07-Jul-20
Right Pat, all any C.O. has to do is look through one at full draw to see that it(verifier) is NOT a scope that magnifies the target in any way. No different than glasses or contact lens. Clarifiers without a front lens in the sight will actually make the target smaller so, I don't see any hunters trying to use one of them.

From: txhunter58
07-Jul-20
Reading glasses DO magnify. If you don’t believe that turn them vertical and hold at arms length. Look at something in the distance thru One of the lenses with your right eye and at the same object at the same time with your left eye, but not thru the lens. You will see two images side by side and the lens Image will be slightly bigger.

That’s what the power on readers means: progressive magnification.

And it is different than wearing contacts or glasses. They are not attached to/ not part of the bow.

Sorry, but sounds like they are not legal to me. It’s stupid If it’s not legal but it is what it is

From: x-man
07-Jul-20
It's obvious who on here knows the difference between a clarifier and a verifier and who does not. It's also obvious who has actually used them and who has not.

From: AllAround
07-Jul-20
I’m definitely using a verifier. I didn’t realize there was a difference until I started this thread.

From: AllAround
07-Jul-20
I used one last year in CO and will be using one this year as well.

From: Bou'bound
07-Jul-20
Will some clarify what a verifier is and verify what a clarifier does.

From: Bou'bound
07-Jul-20
Will some clarify what a verifier is and verify what a clarifier does.

From: wytex
07-Jul-20
To be clear I asked specifically about both clarifiers and verifiers. I also explained in detail what they do, they had an answer, not legal. If true , then you risk losing a hard earned trophy if checked by a GW. My best advice would be to get in touch with the head of law enforcement for CP&W to ask. I could not find that contact info online. That person should know what their GWs are told for enforcement purposes.

From: cnelk
07-Jul-20
Just like Colorado has a maximum 80% letoff on bows.

I bet guys have 85% and still go hunting

From: ElkNut1
07-Jul-20
Good points guys! Seriously the Verifier isn't like having a scope or does it have an animal appear closer, it just clears up your pins, that's it!

ElkNut

From: smarba
07-Jul-20
I get what Bou was doing...punny...both times

From: jstephens61
08-Jul-20
If Verifiers are illegal, it’s a stupid law that needs to be rewritten. Like zero power scopes on a muzzleloader, unless you have a ranch tag.

From: txhunter58
08-Jul-20
If all the regs say is “no scopes”, then it should be legal.

From: Percy
08-Jul-20
Check with the authorities, if they are illegal and you get caught using one it's on you, not the arresting officer. Knowingly breaking the law and getting away with it doesn't make it right. Percy

From: smurph
08-Jul-20
So for the guys like Percy who never drive one mile over the speed limit, I would argue that from GF"s definition of "scope", that you would be a moron to think the two are the same thing.

From: Percy
08-Jul-20
Hey smurph, read the post! Never said I never broke the law, just saying don't blame the arresting officer if you get gaught!!! Percy

From: Daff
09-Jul-20
I've been wondering if those peeps work good in a hunting situation. I wear readers and pins are getting slightly blurry. I'm a little off topic but just curious how it would be considered a scope if it doesn't contain the sighting device (cross hairs/ red dot).

From: jstephens61
09-Jul-20
They work great.

They are a magnifier, Colorado allows scopes with zero magnification I believe. I’m not going to worry about it. If I get checked and cited, so be it. Heck my license says I’m still 6’, 200#! Getting back to the 200 mark, but not 6’. Another violation.

From: jstephens61
09-Jul-20
They work great.

They are a magnifier, Colorado allows scopes with zero magnification I believe. I’m not going to worry about it. If I get checked and cited, so be it. Heck my license says I’m still 6’, 200#! Getting back to the 200 mark, but not 6’. Another violation.

From: Jaquomo
10-Jul-20
Probably be checked about the time they start checking bow letoff and figure out half the hunters are shooting illegal bows now. Then again some over zealous new WCO trying to make an impression might decide to make a point of it.

From: W8N4RUT
13-Jul-20
+1 Pat

From: JohnMC
14-Jul-20
10 days after sending email I just received this response. To my surprise they are calling it a scope and illegal. Lots of guys in violation I reckon.

Response:

Hi John,

Thank you for contacting us at Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I understand you are inquiring about the use of a verifier during the archery season.

Currently the use of a verifier would not be legal as it is considered a scope, and scopes are considered illegal.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

-- Kate Oetheimer Hunt Planner

From: LFN
14-Jul-20
I have struggled with blurry pins for years, went to a one pin slider so only one blurry spot to look at, really a elongated flair. Had to try and remember which part of it to use as the actual pin. Got a verifier a few months ago (had known they are not legal) and wow I can actually see my pin, my groups are tight again. I'll take my chances with getting caught as opposed to wounding an animal because of my eyes. Have considered quitting but for now I'm keeping the verifier And for the uninformed, a verifier will make the target blurry if you use more power than needed, so no it does not magnify the target in a beneficial manner.

From: txhunter58
14-Jul-20
I use 1.0 power reading glasses to shoot open sights with my muzzleloader. Front sight clear, target slightly blurry.

From: Twinetickler
14-Jul-20
I wouldn't risk it if you can do without. My experience in CO has been landowners are anus holes and the CPW enforcement supports them. Have had two very bitter experiences over technicalities just like this. Now that they have told you it's illegal you already have two strikes against you.

From: x-man
15-Jul-20
That would never hold up in court if they use the word scope in the regs instead of lens. A scope by definition requires the use of multiple lens to magnify an object down-range. In order to be defined as a scope, it would need a second lens.

The person here "Kate" is generalizing anything with a lens as a scope. You might get cited(doubtful), but it would not hold up.

From: txhunter58
15-Jul-20
“Scope: A magnifier of images of distant objects”

I can find no definition of “scope” that defines it as having multiple lenses.

It’s a dumb law

From: txhunter58
15-Jul-20
“Scope: A magnifier of images of distant objects”

I can find no definition of “scope” that defines it as having multiple lenses.

It’s a dumb law

From: x-man
15-Jul-20
Hunting Scope Definition: "The most important parts of the hunting scope are the lenses. The larger lens is the objective lens. The objective lens is on the end of the scope farthest from the hunter's eye. Its purpose is to transmit light back to the ocular lens, which is the lens closest to your eye. The part of the scope that houses the objective lens is the objective bell, while the section containing the ocular lens is the eyepiece."

It is not a scope with only one lens or eye piece.

From: Skippy
15-Jul-20
You can call it whatever you want the only opinion that matters is that of the game warden.

From: wytex
15-Jul-20
Skippy is right. The hunt planner I talked with had no idea so I requested a supervisor, the answer was quick as they stated the question was brought up to the commission. They consider it an unfair advantage over the wildlife. The GW will support the commissions stance on this. You may win in court or you may lose your bow and any animals you harvested and hunting privileges in 48 states. Worth it to ya' ? Shooting glasses are available and legal.

From: JohnMC
15-Jul-20
I would like to see more restrictions on equipment that would help keep bow hunting a more close range game. With that said the only person this rules hurts is most older hunters that just can't see as well as they use to. Maybe something the CBA could take up?

From: Skippy
23-Jul-20
Don’t know why this thing keeps double posting, hours after I made the original post.

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