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SBH 23-Jul-20
SBH 23-Jul-20
Grey Ghost 23-Jul-20
Gman 23-Jul-20
sticksender 23-Jul-20
Grey Ghost 23-Jul-20
cnelk 23-Jul-20
cnelk 23-Jul-20
SBH 23-Jul-20
elknailer 23-Jul-20
Beendare 23-Jul-20
Aces11 23-Jul-20
cnelk 23-Jul-20
Z Barebow 23-Jul-20
glidingindian 23-Jul-20
YZF-88 23-Jul-20
BULELK1 24-Jul-20
BULELK1 24-Jul-20
Robear 24-Jul-20
APauls 24-Jul-20
Shiras42 24-Jul-20
shorty 24-Jul-20
12yards 24-Jul-20
Jaquomo 24-Jul-20
BULELK1 25-Jul-20
BULELK1 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
Jaquomo 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
Jaquomo 25-Jul-20
Dale Hajas 25-Jul-20
txhunter58 25-Jul-20
eBike John 27-Jul-20
eBike John 27-Jul-20
txhunter58 27-Jul-20
txhunter58 27-Jul-20
Thornton 27-Jul-20
Jaquomo 27-Jul-20
txhunter58 27-Jul-20
Grey Ghost 27-Jul-20
Brun 27-Jul-20
txhunter58 27-Jul-20
txhunter58 27-Jul-20
Jaquomo 28-Jul-20
txhunter58 28-Jul-20
txhunter58 28-Jul-20
ohiohunter 28-Jul-20
Jaquomo 28-Jul-20
txhunter58 29-Jul-20
ohiohunter 29-Jul-20
nehunter 01-Aug-20
Grey Ghost 01-Aug-20
eBike John 01-Aug-20
Jaquomo 01-Aug-20
txhunter58 02-Aug-20
Jaquomo 02-Aug-20
Z Barebow 03-Aug-20
txhunter58 03-Aug-20
Jaquomo 03-Aug-20
txhunter58 03-Aug-20
txhunter58 03-Aug-20
Norseman 03-Aug-20
Grey Ghost 03-Aug-20
Cocoon Man 03-Aug-20
Jaquomo 03-Aug-20
Grey Ghost 03-Aug-20
lamb 03-Aug-20
Inshart 03-Aug-20
Panther Bone 03-Aug-20
Z Barebow 03-Aug-20
txhunter58 03-Aug-20
Jaquomo 03-Aug-20
Panther Bone 04-Aug-20
txhunter58 04-Aug-20
txhunter58 04-Aug-20
Grey Ghost 04-Aug-20
Grubby 04-Aug-20
Ridgefire 05-Aug-20
From: SBH
23-Jul-20
Lost my best whitetail spot last week. Landowner passed and its up in the air. On short notice I'm working on finding a new spot but am guessing people don't want me knocking on their doors right now. I'll probably still try a few and see what happens but in the meantime I have been scrambling to get cameras out on some public spots. In trying to get away from the trails I'm ending up covering a good bit of ground. So for those of you that actually own and use an ebike.....

1. Which one do you own? 2. How much did you spend? 3. Are you happy with it?

Seeing a lot of them out there now and prices are all over the board. Want to make sure I'm getting enough bike but I don't need the best of the best. Some of these things cost more than my 4 wheeler. Kinda crazy. I'm in MT for what its worth and I do need to be able to gain elevation and deal with snow. Thanks.

From: SBH
23-Jul-20
Just to be clear since my title was wrong I am talking about E bikes. Thanks

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jul-20
I'm a buy once, cry once kinda guy, so my wife and I own Bakcou Mules, and absolutely love them. We bought her the "step-thru" model with the 24" wheels, which are 2" shorter than the standard wheels. It fits her small body-size perfectly.

They are expensive, but they are the best hunting ebike on the market right now, based on my research. I highly recommend contacting John from Ebike Generation. He offers a generous Bowsite discount, and provides customer service that is second to none.

Good luck,

Matt

From: Gman
23-Jul-20

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Bought 2 M2S rear hub bikes for myself and my wife. I use mine for hunting having taken it to Wy and Co with a cart behind to tow gear/meat. Has plenty of speed and battery life however won't pull steeper grades all that well. Much better to buy their mid drive motor one for less than $3 K Saw that motor out at the Pa sports show and it is built like a tank Same motor Bacou uses, which is a great bike if you want to spend the extra $$

From: sticksender
23-Jul-20
Rambo. Happy with it for the price, but would prefer a bike with a suspension next time.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Jul-20
Gman makes a good point. The mid-drive motor is the way to go for climbing hills. Bakcou uses the Bafang Ultra motor on their Mules. Here's what their website states about the motor:

"The Mule was designed and engineered around the unparalleled power and performance of Bafangs ULTRA mid-drive motor. The Ultra motor is widely recognized as the “diesel engine” of mid-drive motors! It’s all metal, heavy-duty gearing, combined with the intelligence of an integrated torque sensor, make the Ultra motor the most capable, durable, and efficient motor on the planet. The Ultra motor is also referred to as a “smart motor.” The speed, cadence, shift, brake, and torque sensors provide continuous feedback from the rider to the motor. This allows the motor to deliver exactly what you ask. What you get, is a very natural feeling ride, even while providing a tremendous amount of torque and power output."

The other cool thing is the 750W and 1000W motors are the same motor with different programming. So, you can buy the 750W version to stay within the "non-motorized" regulations, then have it re-programmed to 1000W at a later time, if you desire more power. That said, the 750W is plenty powerful for my purposes, and I'm a big guy (6'4" and 250#).

Matt

From: cnelk
23-Jul-20

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RadRover 750w. Paid about $1500 delivered. Works just fine for me.

From: cnelk
23-Jul-20

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I modified my game cart and put a hitch on it. My ebike pulls it just fine with someone sitting in the cart.

From: SBH
23-Jul-20
Sweet. That’s good to hear I may be able to get into one for less than $2k. Brad how far can you go on the batteries? How does it do on uphill?

From: elknailer
23-Jul-20
x2 cnelk

From: Beendare
23-Jul-20
I have a 29er I converted to Bike with the Bafang kit from Bafang USA with a 52v battery.

Any biker will tell you components matter, so be careful of a couple bikes mentioned as they are essentially Huffy bikes with motors.

These are perfect for rolling or flat stuff....not good for wet mountain trails trying to pull serious weight. I can get 25 miles on the fairly steep stuff here around my house on a high [6] level of assist. I can get a lot more at level 3-4, which Is what I use mostly since I'm trying to get a decent workout.

The electric motor has essentially extended my range on a Mountain bike. Where I was doing 8-10 miles before, now 20+ is about the same effort.

From: Aces11
23-Jul-20
QuietKat Warrior for me. First year using it, so I haven’t been able to push its limits. From what I have been told and read the mid drive motor is the way to go.

From: cnelk
23-Jul-20
My battery is 14.6ah. Based on what Ebike John mentioned on one of the ebike threads, of you double the battery ah (amp hrs) will give you an estimate for total battery miles. So I can go about 28 miles

From: Z Barebow
23-Jul-20

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120 lbs of sand in trailer.
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120 lbs of sand in trailer.
Same as Matt. Buy once cry once. Bought from eBike Generation John ( Bowsite Sponsor)

It would climb a wall if I could hang on.

I have panniers also. Not in pic.

23-Jul-20
I claim to be a buy once cry once guy but on an ebike I am a cheap sumbitch. Wanted to give it a try first. Bought a used Rambo with no suspension and have had a blast. Have had on some steep rough ground but notin the Rockies yet. Lot of power And range but I pedal a lot for the workout My next bike will have suspension.

From: YZF-88
23-Jul-20

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Mine gets me there quick...but every animal in the county knows I’m there.

From: BULELK1
24-Jul-20

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Rad Wagon w/panniers and 5 gallon water containers in each side pannier as I train with the extra weight as it certainly 'Rides' different with the extra 85 lbs for sure in the dirt/rocks
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Rad Wagon w/panniers and 5 gallon water containers in each side pannier as I train with the extra weight as it certainly 'Rides' different with the extra 85 lbs for sure in the dirt/rocks
I too have the Rad brand, like Brad stated above, ya get about 25-28 miles off 1 battery charge. Of course that depends on the demand like long steep stretches or cold temps ect.

From: BULELK1
24-Jul-20

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More of a side view
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More of a side view

From: Robear
24-Jul-20
Another vote for the Bakcou Mule. It is a lot of fun to ride, and is a useful tool for getting into areas quickly and quietly. The only issue I have found, is the front fender is flimsy and will make some noise in rough terrain. Still working on a fix for that. Hell, I may just take it off. Really a small issue in an otherwise great machine.

From: APauls
24-Jul-20
Also a Backou Mule guy here. Also from eBike John. My front fender doesn't rattle at all. The back one has the potential too up against your rack, but I just looped about 20 ft of paracord around and around the fender to the rack so that they are essentially tied together and don't rattle. This way I also have emergency paracord.

From: Shiras42
24-Jul-20
I have the Rad Rover and the biggest problem I have is flats from all the damn locust thorns. Just ordered the Tannus Armour inserts to see if that will help. Also going to slime the inner tube for any that get through the insert. Anyone have any other advice on that? John?

From: shorty
24-Jul-20
I too chose to purchase the MS2 bike. More economic and no problems. They are sold online directly from the manufacturer. I had a bum knee last fall and that bike kept me in the woods.

From: 12yards
24-Jul-20
TREK 830 mountain bike I bought back in 1989. Still rides nice but needs some work.

From: Jaquomo
24-Jul-20
Rambo for me, RAD for girlfriend. She is a strong biker but has never had any issues going up steep grades alongside me. And we ride some steep stuff where we live up here. Hers has suspension, mine does not. Hers has the 14 ah batteries, mine has 10. Hers cost 1500, mine 2500. I really like my Rambo and the components are a grade above hers, but will be upgrading my front fork (Rambo offers this) and hoping they come out with a 14 ah battery.

That said, we just did a 23.5 mile ride in the mountains and I still had plenty of battery left.

From: BULELK1
25-Jul-20
Matt, I've had good fortune with the Flat Attach Tire gel.

Just take the valve out and put in the FA gel, put the valve back in, spin the tire around a few times to spread it evenly and then fill with air.

Good luck, Robb

From: BULELK1
25-Jul-20

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From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20
My research shows the best bang for your buck for a powerful mid drive is the MS2 all terrain ultra at $2700, but that doesn't include fenders and a rear rack (extra $130)

https://shop.m2sbikes.com/collections/frontpage/products/all-terrain-ultra-ht

Closest competition for mid drive with that power is the Rambo Nomad at $3800 but that comes with fenders, rear rack and light. Rambo pursuit is $2500 and has a mid drive, but not one with near the power at the MS2.

Since I am looking for a bike to use in Colorado elk hunting, I think the more power the better. I won't be going up any really steep terrain, but may be pulling a trailer with elk quarters on it.

MS2 says that bike won't ship until aprox August 25. With all the covid issues, I suspect that could be pushed back. Which makes it iffy for this elk season

From: Jaquomo
25-Jul-20
Just be aware that the allowable wattage for BLM, Department of Interior lands, etc is 750. Thats the limitation for most states and counties/cities that allow them where regular bikes are permitted (CO, for instance). USFS folks have told me privately that when USFS gets around to allowing them, Class 2, 750 watts, will also be the limitation. The MS2 AT Ultra has more wattage than that and will likely never be allowed anywhere regular bikes are allowed. The Rambo Nomad is a 750 w Class 2

From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20
See now that is what is confusing. I chatted with a guy from MS2 about that and he said it WAS a 750 watt motor (says that one place in the add for that bike) but he said it can be Reprogrammed for more wattage?? So not sure what that means. The ad says 750 and 1500 watts in different places about that bike. Does anyone know for sure?

From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20

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As for MS2 ultra
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As for MS2 ultra

From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20

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From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20

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But then there is this:

From: Jaquomo
25-Jul-20
I was confused too. Ask them what class it is. I believe they all have to have a sticker stating the class now, by law. Class 2 is the cutoff for legal on DOI and will be on USFS when they follow suit.

Then again, this is sorta like letoff on bows. Most new bows have greater than 80% letoff these days, which makes them illegal in states like CO with an 80% letoff limitation. Who's going to check the wattage on a Bafang Ultra in the woods?

From: Dale Hajas
25-Jul-20
There are several companies that offer the ability for their motors, bafang motors, to be programmed up. I think Rambo has a model that can do that too. Not sure though which one. That M2S AT Ultra was designed to be their Hunting bike with frame upgrades, is what I was told. Its a newer design. They have many ebikes sold here in Pa. Im looking at an M2S mid drive but layoff and no UC $ for 12 weeks has me edgy:)

Heres an AWD sporting 2 motors of 750 W. made in Pa. $2700

https://www.timbertrail.bike/proddetail.php?prod=awdebike

These are cool: notice belt drive and 3 speed hub: Also made in Pa

https://www.swataracreekoutfitters.com/mtr-info

From: txhunter58
25-Jul-20
Glad we are getting some competition!

Where do they have pricing on the mountain research bikes?

From: eBike John
27-Jul-20
@Shiras42, I have seen that Tannus Armor, it looks great but haven't tried it yet. if you put those on and use the slime you should never get a flat again. You may not even need the slime if the Tannus Armor tires are as good as they say.

From: eBike John
27-Jul-20
And Yes, I do offer a bowsite discount but I'm not allowed advertise it (not forum rules, dealer agreement rules). so reach out privately or contact the store directly and mention bowsite.

From: txhunter58
27-Jul-20
Here is the answer I got from MS2 on how their ultra is classified:

It is a class III, the bike is a 750w motor and can reach up to 28 MPH speeds on pedal assist and throttle

From: txhunter58
27-Jul-20
So as you stated, it looks like Colorado at least allows up to class 2 on many trails:

https://coloradosun.com/2019/09/19/electric-powered-bikes-are-now-allowed-on-blm-and-national-park-trails-and-not-everyone-is-happy-about-it/

From: Thornton
27-Jul-20

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Not an ebike but it's best $400 I ever spent regarding easy off road transportation. I use it more than my polaris 4 wheeler. I plan on adding front shocks soon though.

From: Jaquomo
27-Jul-20
Yes, the State does ( State Parks and Wildlife areas) and so does BLM, National Parks, Wildlife Refuges. Most states and municipalities have a cutoff of Class 2. I've spoken with several policy makers at USFS who believe Class 2 will eventually be allowed on closed roads and some single tracks, as USDA follows along with Department of Interior after their pilot programs are evaluated.

For those places where only Class 1 are allowed, most Class 2 can be down-converted to Class 1 by disconnecting and/or removing the throttle.

From: txhunter58
27-Jul-20
If you take off the battery and just pedal, do you have any brakes?

From: Grey Ghost
27-Jul-20
Yes, the brakes are just like a regular mountain bike, and are independent of the motor.

Matt

From: Brun
27-Jul-20

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Rad Rover

From: txhunter58
27-Jul-20
Where do I order one of those Brun!

With the elk of course!

From: txhunter58
27-Jul-20
Rad rovers are temping, being at the $1500 price point. But they don't offer a mid drive. For those that have bought a rear hub drive, are you satisfied? I don't plan on going up anything really steep, but the elk country I hunt does have some steep. But also wonder if I the extra power would also help pulling a little trailer loaded with an elk?

To step up to a Rambo mid drive 750 watt, jumps the price $750 to $2250 (from John with a bowsite discount) The biggest deficiency there is no suspension.

From: Jaquomo
28-Jul-20
You can upgrade the Rambo and add front suspension. I go back and forth about whether to upgrade mine. We ride a lot of rough stuff and I watch girlfriend's front shocks work and it does seem like it might make a difference. I think the Rambo front shock kit is around $150?

The Rambo components are a step up from the RAD in quality, and it sure is a solid machine. I've put over 500 miles on mine and it's still going strong like the day I bought it.

From: txhunter58
28-Jul-20

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This makes the Rad sound pretty good:

From: txhunter58
28-Jul-20
Just about have myself talked into a Rambo with the 750 mid drive. That gives me 2 choices on models: the Ryder or the Pursuit. The main difference I can see is the Ryder has 24" wheels and the Pursuit has 26" wheels. Advantages/disadvantages of the different size tires? On the surface the 26" would have the advantage on the flats and the 24" would on the hills?

From: ohiohunter
28-Jul-20
Bigger (Larger dia) tires attack bumps n logs at a better angle, hence the reason 29” became popular. I would opt for the 26”. Fat tires will also improve your riding experience.

From: Jaquomo
28-Jul-20
26" with 4.5" tires is a great combination for rough riding.

From: txhunter58
29-Jul-20
Does anyone own the Rambo Pursuit? Found out the motor on it makes a clicking noise when you are riding, so it is not silent. Can anyone tell me about this and should it be a concern? When you are pedaling and having chain noises anyway, is it a big deal?

From: ohiohunter
29-Jul-20
The 26” fat tires and the 27.5” super (edit* I think the correct term is plus, 27.5+) tires give the rider virtually 29” geometry.

From: nehunter
01-Aug-20
Quiet Kat Warrior

From: Grey Ghost
01-Aug-20
Lou,

The front suspension makes a huge difference in ride quality and handling on rough terrain. The Mule's front suspension is adjustable, or it can be locked out (no suspension) entirely. When I first rode mine, the suspension was locked out and I didn't realize it. The washboard roads around my place nearly rattled my teeth out. I was kinda disappointed initially, until I realized the problem. Once I unlocked the suspension, it was like night and day difference. I highly recommend it.

Matt

From: eBike John
01-Aug-20
The 26" wheels with fat tires are great on most terrain. the larger diameter the wheels the easier it is to roll over objects like rocks and similar obstacles. But the 24" wheels do make the overall size of the bike and standover height more accessible for riders that are not very tall. Then the motor is the most important decision based on your needs. A good mid drive motor has 160Nm of torque and can climb pretty much anything. While a rear hub motor has around 60Nm of torque and that's not enough to get a 70lb bike plus rider up a steep hill. So the terrain you ride will dictate which motor you need. The battery is what determines how far you can ride before running out of juice. A general rule of thumb to calculate the range would be to double the Ah value to get miles per full charge. For example, if the battery has 10Ah double that number and you get 20 miles per full charge. that is 20 miles on throttle power (no pedaling), if you use pedal assist the battery will last a few miles longer. Then obviously rider weight, headwind, hills or no hills, cold weather all play into the performance of a battery.

From: Jaquomo
01-Aug-20
Good advice about the battery. My Rambo has a 10 ah battery and Ive ridden up to 24 miles in the mountains with what appears to be plenty of battery remaining. So much depends on how much assist you use vs. manpower.

From: txhunter58
02-Aug-20
I just pulled the trigger on a Rambo Pursuit 750watt Mid-Drive 26" bike. Took a hard look at the Radrover (hub drive only) and the MS2 Ultra, but finally came back to ebike John and the Rambo. Ordered the bike with fender/rear rack/light/waterproof bag, a front rack, and 2 quiet Kat Saddlebags. Total for everything delivered to my door with my Bowsite discount of 10% was $2480. Won't be headed to Colorado until late September or early October, but will be anxious to put it thru it paces when I do!

I already have one of these hand pull came carts: https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/ridge-hunter-game-cart?searchTerm=Ridge+Hunter+Game+Cart It doesn't look much different than the Rambo 2 wheel cart, and I think I should be able to make that work. If not, I will probably opt for the Rambo pull behind 1 wheel cart.

From: Jaquomo
02-Aug-20
I think you'll really enjoy it!

From: Z Barebow
03-Aug-20
tx- I hope you enjoy your purchase. I challenge anyone to ride an e-bike and not wear a sh!t eating grin!

I have been on vacation so I missed most of this conversation. Glad to hear you looked at the Bafang Ultra. My Mule has it. It would climb a wall if you could hang on. The feature that sold me on the Mule is walk assist. I hunt some steep country. The ability to walk bike/trailer in spots to hairy to climb is important to me.

From: txhunter58
03-Aug-20
Thanks Z! Couple reasons I didn’t go for the ultra:.

Price

Wanted to stay with the class 2 bike.

And for the ultra I could afford, the MS2 ultra, Customer service was not great. Made 2 online appts for someone to call me. They didn’t call. Then when I got ahold of them, it sounded like a 30 something very experienced biker who had trouble explaining to a novice the things I needed to know. We didn’t talk the same language. For someone who knows his stuff, I am sure they would do fine.

Lastly, I am sure the Rambo will go up anything that I feel comfortable going up with a bike!

From: Jaquomo
03-Aug-20
Tx, your Rambo also has a strong walk assist, which really comes in handy on some steep rough patches where you may not want to ride. Rambo's customer service was excellent before the Chinese flu hit, still ok since they started working remotely.

From: txhunter58
03-Aug-20
Thought so Jaq. Thx! I am sure not carrying the bike up the steep stuff!??

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03-Aug-20

From: Norseman
03-Aug-20
Huffy And a 1979 Schwin Traveler III

From: Grey Ghost
03-Aug-20
Brun's pic is one of my all-time favorites. ;-)

Those of you with Mules, has your kickstand gotten loose and rattles in the up position? That and the flimsy front fender have been my only complaints in over 200 miles.

Matt

From: Cocoon Man
03-Aug-20
which e-bikes are made in the USA?

From: Jaquomo
03-Aug-20
Cocoon man, from an internet search it seems only a few obscure townie and folding bikes

From: Grey Ghost
03-Aug-20
I was under the impression Bakcou manufactures their frames in the USA, but many of the components they use are made elsewhere. I may be mistaken.

Matt

From: lamb
03-Aug-20
a peddle bike

From: Inshart
03-Aug-20

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Here's what I purchased ---- (It's an MB - 200). Unfortunately I can't ride it now due to knee and back issues.

When I ordered it I also ordered heavy duty shocks and a bigger sprocket for more low end torque. According to the info on it, it will go about 35MPH before I put on the bigger sprocket - now about 32MPH or so, which to me is WAY, WAY to fast.

Prior to medical issues I drove it around the yard a few times - fun to putter around on. Back in high school I had a motorcycle for a few years, but now that I'm in my mid-60's, I'm a bit uneasy on it.

03-Aug-20
These are peaking my interest more and more, but I have a question. Forgive my ignorance.

What keeps somebody from stealing one of these? Can you disengage it somehow once parked and away from the bike?

From: Z Barebow
03-Aug-20
Panther. I have a few ways to disable my Mule. Remove battery and padlock it up. The controller also has a password option. But this wouldn’t prohibit someone from using pedal only.

From: txhunter58
03-Aug-20
I assume you need a cable lock to attach to a tree, chain both wheels together or something similar. So unless someone packs in a bolt cutter it should be secure. But thx for asking because I want to see if there is a way to secure them so someone can’t just ride off if not locked up. And at 60+ lbs I doubt if anyone will cart it out on their back

From: Jaquomo
03-Aug-20
I hide it in the timber, remove the battery and hide it someplace else, and lock with a serious cable lock. Have never had an issue but if I was worried I might put a mini-trail cam on it.

04-Aug-20
These are peaking my interest more and more, but I have a question. Forgive my ignorance.

What keeps somebody from stealing one of these? Can you disengage it somehow once parked and away from the bike?

From: txhunter58
04-Aug-20
How heavy is the battery if you decide to just put it in your pack?

From: txhunter58
04-Aug-20

From: Grey Ghost
04-Aug-20
txhunter, you won't want to carry the battery in your pack. They are very heavy. I don't know the exact weight, but it would be like sticking 3-4 bricks in your pack.

Matt

From: Grubby
04-Aug-20
I have a Rambo, it’s a good bike but there are definitely things I would change. The bottom bracket is low so your pedals can quite easily hit the ground in rough terrain. I’d also like to see the rear derailleur protected since I’ve ripped that off once.

From: Ridgefire
05-Aug-20
I have the Rad Rover and have put just about 850 miles on it with zero issues. I mainly ride gravel logging roads in western Washington and usually 20-30 miles per charge depending on how much I pedal. It works great for what I use if for and is a ton of fun to ride and I still get a awesome workout. I do wish mine was the step thru model though.

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