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Ba-Bye e-Bike/Hello e-Pack
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From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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Well ~~ I didn't see this coming but after my Hauling an e-Bike thread I had some contact interest in selling my e-Bike.

Young local couple came over and checked it out. The dad reads on the Bowsite but hardly ever posts but I know of him.

They didn't want to buy two e-Bikes one for her and the 4 year old to run errands/explore on and one for him to use more so for hunting, ect.

They even brought one of those bicycle kid seats to see if it would work.

So, I pretty much broke even $$$ wise for what I had invested over the last 2-3 years of owning my e-Bike/Rad Wagon Sold with everything for $1,600.00

I kinda knew what I was going to try out next as an almost replacement.

Kinda exciting,

Robb

From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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Only had this for a couple days but having some fun learning and going on a trail already

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31-Jul-20

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31-Jul-20

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From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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I got a bunch of accessories, with my veteran discount, the $1,600.00 from the e-Bike sale I was only $250 out of pocket ($246.33)

Not bad, not bad at all

From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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Panniers are adjustable, I have them in the 'high' travel position.

I'm doing the 2-/-5 gallon water jugs filled with water, hike today to see how it rides with 85lbs loaded on in.

From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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From: BULELK1
31-Jul-20

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I'll give some follow-up how it handles with a good load on, in the morning after I give it a go.

At least if I 'wreck' with this, I won't blow my ribs out nor crack a helmet again!! haha

Good luck, Robb

From: Mule Power
31-Jul-20
I want to see video of it in action. I have a non motorized one wheeled game cart. It has handlebars on both ends and I can tell you it’s not for a single user. I think it might be easier to bring your wife Robb. (Let me think about that though)

From: x-man
31-Jul-20
So, it's a motorized wheelbarrow??

From: Dave
31-Jul-20
Kinda curious to see how it handles a load. My guess is not very well. I envision a heavy wheelbarrow balanced on one wheel with it tipping very easily, especially maneuvering through rough terrain.

From: Jethro
31-Jul-20
E-Unicycle.

From: PECO
31-Jul-20
I was hoping an e-pack was like a jet pack.

From: GhostBird
31-Jul-20
You are one wheel short of a bicycle.

From: wytex
31-Jul-20
Hummm, it is legal to take off road ?

From: jordanathome
31-Jul-20
Thx for sharing Robb....very interesting. I am afraid all it would mean is I would take stuff I'd otherwise not pack in rather than lighten my pack load. LOL

From: t-roy
31-Jul-20
When I first read your thread title, I thought it said helio-pack! Interesting to see how well it works for you, Robb.

From: Jaquomo
31-Jul-20
Yep, keep us posted. I almost bought the nonmotorized version a couple years ago but heard a couple stories about wrecks on rough trails with one person trying to manage the load. Will be interested to see how it works. I expect USFS still considers it a "motorized vehicle" for closed roads even though it's not a "vehicle"?

From: Ucsdryder
31-Jul-20
I’m confused. Can you post a video of how it works?

From: LINK
31-Jul-20
Explore his link a bit and there is a video. Guy makes it look like cake going across deadfall. I suspect he was a stout fella. $800 for the non motorized! No thanks. If the motor one works as advertised it could be handy but it seams like the bike has more than one purpose where the pack is a one trick pony.

From: x-man
31-Jul-20
Can you throw this thing in neutral and pull it behind your e-bike after you get the load to the trail?

From: DanaC
31-Jul-20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXyj10R7WoE

From: JohnMC
31-Jul-20
I wonder if I could put a seat on it for me and find someone to be controlling handlebars.

From: Grunter
31-Jul-20
You sure them 100's are real right! Kinda weird to get all "old ones". Have fun with the new toy.

31-Jul-20
looks like a great mountain beer hauler.

From: Jaquomo
31-Jul-20
Being single, retired, and well-off allows one the luxury of experimenting with lots of toys...I mean "tools", eh? Lol, I get it!

From: txhunter58
31-Jul-20
I am also curious if it would be legal on “non motorized” trails. I suspect not

31-Jul-20
Dang,

Shocks,

Pegs,

Lucky!

You ever take it off any sweet jumps?

From: jingalls
31-Jul-20
Post a video for us. Looks like a cool tool for us aging hunters!-)

From: Bowboy
31-Jul-20

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It's called a pack wheel(see link). Looks kind of interesting!

From: txhunter58
31-Jul-20
The thing I wonder about is how easy to get it from a down to up position and then balance a full load while moving. Are there any motorized game carts with 2 wheels?

From: LUNG$HOT
31-Jul-20
Wow, quite the rig. Looks kinda sweet.

From: txhunter58
31-Jul-20
The thing I wonder about is how easy to get it from a down to up position and then balance a full load while moving. Are there any motorized game carts with 2 wheels?

From: sitO
31-Jul-20
I don't know man. The guy in the video looks like he's having trouble keeping it under control with basically no weight? Does it have a kickstand, I mean once it's loaded can you stop anywhere and let it just stand?

From: bowhunt
31-Jul-20
I ran into the inventor of this in the wasatch mountains on an archery elk hunt. Very interesting guy. Kind of reminded me of TBM. Told some funny over the top stories, super passionate and nice guy. He had the non Motorized model at that time. He actually kept it strapped to his pack at all times. Said he didn’t want to walk back to the truck to get it if he killed a bull!

31-Jul-20

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Looks interesting Robb!

From: llamapacker
31-Jul-20
Robb, I bought one last year and used it on several trips. Didn't know you were interested or I would have introduced you to the owner of the company. I've known him for 25 years.

These really do go in some incredible places. I used it last year to both pack in camp and haul out meat. You will like it. Let me know if you have any questions. I have found a 200 pound load is about my max, but they are rated to carry 250. Just remember, like a bike, it is possible to puncture a tire. You don't need to ask how I know.

For those interested, they are NOT legal in any wilderness area. Most forest service and BLM in the west allows them. National parks, generally not, although their are exceptions.

Bill

From: cnelk
31-Jul-20
Back in the day, I as told by the Forest Service that a motorized ‘machine’ is allowed on closed roads.

A motorized ‘vehicle’ is something that carries a person. And they are not allowed.

A motorized game cart is legal, as long as you don’t sit on it.

That’s what was explained to me

From: bassmasterjk
31-Jul-20
e-barrow

From: Big John
31-Jul-20
whats the max pack weight on that one wheeled wonder...

From: TD
31-Jul-20
Interesting. I know they have several kinds of powered wheelbarrows in construction that pretty much kick azz on non-motorized in just about any and every way imaginable, from weight to speed to even safety. When you can concentrate your efforts on simple control rather than propulsion and control, it gives folks MUCH more control....

The saddle bags would lend to a much better center of gravity than most any of the "carts" I've seen. Let us know how it shakes out. Pretty cool really.

From: Jaquomo
31-Jul-20
Assume it has a solid disc braking system. Hydraulic?

From: BULELK1
01-Aug-20

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'morning Fella's,

I've got years and years of a Single Wheel mule cart, so the single wheel e-Pack is no biggy for me and with the lil e-power is nice.

From: BULELK1
01-Aug-20

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Ya just lean it forward on the front bar and it just sit's there, granted this pic isn't on some rocky rough trail but ya get the jist------>

From: BULELK1
01-Aug-20

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It's an easy hand squeeze bicycle type brake and works just fine.

Thanks for the heads-up Bill, so far, so good.

Don't know about old $100 bills ?? The GF did rub 'em all over her self though......

I add that Flat Attack to the tire and then just re-fill with air.

From: BULELK1
01-Aug-20

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I did get the Tire Chains as they come in a Pair-Pack. 27.5 x 3.80 size but I'm sure they would fit other reasonable size tires.
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I did get the Tire Chains as they come in a Pair-Pack. 27.5 x 3.80 size but I'm sure they would fit other reasonable size tires.
I've actually toyed with the idea of implementing the Mule Cart to attach to the e-Pack for Mega pack out ability.

Great Plan/Bad Idea-------->

Disaster to happen No Doubt!!

From: BULELK1
01-Aug-20
I got the 6 gallon water jugs filled and ready to load but it was in the mid-90's already so I put it off till maybe today.

I thought they held 5 gallons but it's 6 so that puts me over 100lbs of dead water weight for my test run.

Good luck, Robb

From: Grey Ghost
01-Aug-20
No offense intended to Bulelk1, but that contraption looks like an accident waiting to happen to me. The guy in the video rolling over deadfall is obviously fairly strong and agile. If I attempted that maneuver, I'd probably break the machine, and a leg. We also don't know how much weight he had on it. Something tells me it wasn't 100-plus pounds of elk meat.

I hope it works out, but I think I'll stick with my backpack.

Matt

From: blackwolf
01-Aug-20
I have 2 one wheel carts, Carry-all buddy and Hunt-eeze. Both have worked well for me where 2-wheel carts useless. Hunt-eeze is a one person good for up to about 60lb. Carry-all buddy will handle a 200lb whitetail easy with 2 people. I like the carry-all buddy for loads of 50-70lb to use myself out west. I expect Pack-Wheel will work great on most terrain except boulders, muck, blowdowns etc. One-wheeled carts put 2-wheelers to shame

From: bowhunt
01-Aug-20
I ran into the inventor of this in the wasatch mountains on an archery elk hunt. Very interesting guy. Kind of reminded me of TBM. Told some funny over the top stories, super passionate and nice guy. He had the non Motorized model at that time. He actually kept it strapped to his pack at all times. Said he didn’t want to walk back to the truck to get it if he killed a bull!

From: Pole Mtn
01-Aug-20
I killed an elk in Idaho 3 miles down a closed road. Packed one 1/4 out to the truck, drove to town and bought a $40 wheel barrow. Best $40 I ever spent. One wheel retrieval gets a thumbs up from me.

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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Here is a better view of it free standing without the cover on it
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Here is a better view of it free standing without the cover on it
'morning,

Thanks for your input and thoughts

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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Nice handle for lifting up instead of putting so much pressure on the handle by lifting.

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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I did get a chance to see how it handled with 100 lbs of water weight

I didn't go up on the mountain but just around the block going over curb/gutter and down over basement dirt piles @ a new house build.

It did great but not much of a challenge. It was very balanced as far as handling.

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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the 100lbs didn't affect the tire at all.
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the 100lbs didn't affect the tire at all.

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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I went to put in the Flat Attack and I had never worked with a valve stem like this before. You Tube time!
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I went to put in the Flat Attack and I had never worked with a valve stem like this before. You Tube time!

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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When I texted this pic out, I did get a few RIP--Robb responses
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When I texted this pic out, I did get a few RIP--Robb responses
I did put the Mule Cart on to the e-Pack, just with some ties and it wasn't very secure, of course, but it did fine.

I would need a Walmart parking lot if I ever needed to turn it around and go a different direction though!! haha

From: BULELK1
02-Aug-20

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It is pretty sleek and steamline though.
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It is pretty sleek and steamline though.
I'll get you guys that reached out for the measurements of the Mule Cart and tire size some time today if I get a chance.

I'm in the middle of my kitchen remodel and I finally got the cabinet guys over to do some removal and I'm taping/mudding/painting those area's that will have no cabinets in the new configuration Soooooo I'm busy as heck, which is Great.

I'll keep updates as I do more stuff with the e-Pack and have the GF go with me and take a few pix as I use it on obstacles with the water weights.

Good luck, Robb

From: BULELK1
10-Aug-20

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The e-Pack rack fits perfect in each of the bike rack channels
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The e-Pack rack fits perfect in each of the bike rack channels
Follow-up-------->

After loading/unloading from the back of my truck, I decided to just get a bike rack!!

Under $100 via my A-Prime acct. Ya know me, Nice vs Need/Need vs Nice so I'm kool with it as I went double bike rack as it's rated @ 85lbs capacity, plenty for my 31 lb's e-Pack.

From: BULELK1
10-Aug-20

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Using the double bike rack's on each side of the e-Pack top rack makes for a tight and secure ride.
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Using the double bike rack's on each side of the e-Pack top rack makes for a tight and secure ride.

From: BULELK1
10-Aug-20

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The only Option I wanted was the ability to fold it down, while loaded, so I could access the back of my truck.
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The only Option I wanted was the ability to fold it down, while loaded, so I could access the back of my truck.

From: BULELK1
10-Aug-20

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Fit's nice and somewhat protected from rocks/dust ect. while I travel 'Loaded' to the Mnt.
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Fit's nice and somewhat protected from rocks/dust ect. while I travel 'Loaded' to the Mnt.

From: BULELK1
10-Aug-20

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Not very much flapping in the wind with the protective cover on, doing up to 70 mph on I-15
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Not very much flapping in the wind with the protective cover on, doing up to 70 mph on I-15
I'll have On the Mountain pix to follow.

If I'm not careful going up and over stuff with the throttle assist-------> with 100lbs of dead water weight, I might need to get an InReach!! haha

Good luck, Robb

From: APauls
10-Aug-20
Hope it works for you! I can’t imagine trading from two wheels to one but that’s the beauty of a free country - whatever floats your boat!

10-Aug-20
Robb, you keep things interesting! And I get to see the latest gear that's out there.

From: t-roy
10-Aug-20
Great write up so far, Robb. Keep it coming! (On the e-pack, not the taping and mudding;-)

From: midwest
10-Aug-20
Based on llamapackers post, I think you made a good choice, Robb. I'm super interested! Keep us updated.

From: Inshart
10-Aug-20
That's really cool. You da man Robb - for sure.

From: BULELK1
11-Aug-20
Hey Thanks!

I'm running late this morning dang it!

Good luck, Robb

From: JL
11-Aug-20
Can a solar charger be hooked up to it? I wonder what Fred Bear would think about it?

From: Jaquomo
11-Aug-20
Rambo makes a solar charger for their bikes. I'm using a portable solar charging station for my camper battery, and plan to try to wire in a charging adapter for my bike.

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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I've been axed what I mean by Dual Bike Rack,; it holds two bikes Normally
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I've been axed what I mean by Dual Bike Rack,; it holds two bikes Normally
I don't know if they offer any type of Solar Charger, I'm more of a buy a Spare battery type guy as those Solar e chargers seem to be pricey!

Maybe call Justin as he would certainly know more about it than I do; 801-935-4764, the Owner

Good luck, Robb

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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I'm getting more and more confident with handling this e-Pack on the mountain trails

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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I want to stay Legal and on the trail so finding some down tree's need to be along the trail
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I want to stay Legal and on the trail so finding some down tree's need to be along the trail
Practicing/learning how it goes 'Over' down tree's or bigger rocks with the 100lbs of dead water weight has been a pinch nerve wracking as it all happens fast with just a lil' bit of e-assitt throttle!!

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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Works well with just a lil' muscling the handle bars as it goes up and over! Whew ~~ haha Not going over any down trees with an Elk head loaded on ,the antlers would get me no Doubt on the landing
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Works well with just a lil' muscling the handle bars as it goes up and over! Whew ~~ haha Not going over any down trees with an Elk head loaded on ,the antlers would get me no Doubt on the landing

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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Taking a Break is simple, just turn the e-Pack in a direction of stability and lay it forward on the flat bar. Nice hiking area up around Snowbasin Ski Resort
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Taking a Break is simple, just turn the e-Pack in a direction of stability and lay it forward on the flat bar. Nice hiking area up around Snowbasin Ski Resort

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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Unloading then loading everything back into the truck is a easy-peasy.
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Unloading then loading everything back into the truck is a easy-peasy.

From: BULELK1
12-Aug-20

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1 item I did add to my set-up is a ratchet wrench 15/16 size as the anti-sway insert has a threaded bolt that is tough to reach and a normal wrench takes forever!

I thought about a normal ratchet but over $35 bucks and the ratchet wrench $15....

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12-Aug-20

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12-Aug-20

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Well, that wraps it up for now---------->

With any good fortune, I will be using it this weekend on a Velvet Bow Bull here in my home state LE hunt.

Going to be kissing 100 degree's for hell sakes but what can ya do!

Good luck, Robb

From: llamapacker
18-Aug-20

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I managed to take a cow on opening day in Utah. About 1.5-2.0 miles back in, and shot about 6:30 in the evening at 51 yards. Double lung, and she hopped about 20 yards before doing the wobble and tipping over. I quartered and bagged the meat, hung in the woods, and took the backstraps out with me in my day pack. I returned the next morning with my pack wheel, and loaded all four quarters for the trip out. Pretty straight forward and I was back at the truck in less than an hour after leaving the kill site. It handled the load just fine, and made an easy pack out. Let's see if I can load the picture correctly.... Bill

From: midwest
18-Aug-20
Awesome, Bill!

From: Bowboy
18-Aug-20
Congrats on the cow!

From: Inshart
18-Aug-20
Hey Robb, be interesting to put a go-pro or something on the handle bars and take it for a walk over and around "stuff", be fun to watch. Bob

From: BULELK1
19-Aug-20
Good for you Bill------->

No bone off the meat just quarters and go, I like it.

Bob--I never thought about getting a Go-Pro and doing that.....not a bad idea at all.

Good luck, Robb

From: BULELK1
19-Aug-20

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The forest fire smoke was terrible even @ 0630
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The forest fire smoke was terrible even @ 0630
I just got home from a week on my Utah LE hunt.

On the 14th (15th was the Opener) I took out the Big Glass as I know of 2 real good places to the south of my unit and BARETOP Mnt. to get a look see onto that side of the Mnt.

From: BULELK1
19-Aug-20

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Although the Heat Wave's where so bad by 0800, I did see some Motivating Bulls!
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Although the Heat Wave's where so bad by 0800, I did see some Motivating Bulls!
I saw enough good size Bulls from these distances that I changed plans to actually take the ePack in with me for the Opening morning.

With the day temps kissing 100, I just felt I wanted to get the meat off the mountain or buried in the thick trees as far down the mountain as I could by dark if I did put an arrow in a big bull.

Then finish up getting him off the mountain the next morning, if I was fortunate enough.

From: Inshart
19-Aug-20
Good luck Robb.

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