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Ranch buyers sue - bucks are too small
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Jaquomo 29-Aug-20
Coyote 65 29-Aug-20
Rupe 29-Aug-20
Grubby 29-Aug-20
Bou'bound 29-Aug-20
altitude sick 29-Aug-20
Woods Walker 29-Aug-20
JL 29-Aug-20
Grey Ghost 29-Aug-20
altitude sick 29-Aug-20
Trial153 29-Aug-20
orionsbrother 29-Aug-20
HDE 29-Aug-20
txhunter58 29-Aug-20
MichaelArnette 29-Aug-20
txhunter58 29-Aug-20
txhunter58 29-Aug-20
Glunt@work 29-Aug-20
bigswivle 29-Aug-20
kentuckbowhnter 29-Aug-20
txhunter58 29-Aug-20
Ambush 29-Aug-20
RK 29-Aug-20
Dale06 29-Aug-20
Ollie 29-Aug-20
Hancock West 30-Aug-20
bigswivle 30-Aug-20
JusPassin 30-Aug-20
Bowbender 30-Aug-20
WV Mountaineer 30-Aug-20
Surfbow 30-Aug-20
RK 30-Aug-20
LBshooter 30-Aug-20
lawdy 05-Sep-20
Woods Walker 05-Sep-20
newfi1946moose 05-Sep-20
glidingindian 05-Sep-20
Mule Power 06-Sep-20
Brun 06-Sep-20
Ambush 06-Sep-20
Missouribreaks 06-Sep-20
goldentrout_one 07-Sep-20
glidingindian 07-Sep-20
t-roy 07-Sep-20
GF 08-Sep-20
Missouribreaks 09-Sep-20
From: Jaquomo
29-Aug-20

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This is what it has come to - rich guys buy a zillion dollar ranch and sue the sellers because the bucks aren't big enough...

From: Coyote 65
29-Aug-20
Well I think they view the deer as livestock, so they probably have a case.

Terry

From: Rupe
29-Aug-20
I think it’s a legitimate issue. You get top dollar because of genetics on the property and if they had been hammering the deer as alleged and not practicing QDM then I would call that fraud. Especially if they showed them pictures of deer from other properties but claimed they resided on the subject property

From: Grubby
29-Aug-20
It’s only another 10 million to whip the herd back into shape.

From: Bou'bound
29-Aug-20
People are the best Entertainment because they never fail to amaze

29-Aug-20
Man! You would think someone spending that much would Take a little drive or walk and ask to see the deer. Due Diligence!

From: Woods Walker
29-Aug-20
They probably saw it on an "app" so they figured it was accurate. I mean, EVERYTHING that comes from a computer is true, right?

Truly, I'm amazed that people who are worth that much money can be so friggin' STUPID!!!!!!

From: JL
29-Aug-20
""The owners never had a game survey done before they bought the ranch, he said.

“They bought this ranch, under the contract documents, as I recall, as is,” which means the property was being bought in its current condition, Huseman said. “The idea that … if we show them a picture of a game survey of deer that’s some place on the ranch, that somehow when they buy the ranch that deer’s still going to be alive after hunting season is just … not credible.”

If these guys did indeed buy the property "as is" and knew it was being hunted, didn't do any type of pre-purchase game survey.....I'm thinking they have a tough hill to climb.

From: Grey Ghost
29-Aug-20
Money doesn't buy common sense.

Matt

29-Aug-20
No! But It’ll buy you a Bull!

It’ll buy you a yeti 110 iced down with some silver long range Gunwerks bullets.

From: Trial153
29-Aug-20
Well...it is texas after all.

29-Aug-20
SMH

From: HDE
29-Aug-20
That's what you get for being stupid and rich as opposed to smart and rich...

From: txhunter58
29-Aug-20
If it was a deer farm they might have a case. But since it looks like just a regular ranch, I don’t see it. Worst case scenario, they have to wait two years to get older age class bucks back and become a “Mecca” again.

However, if they lied about the potential genetics on the ranch, by showing deer that were somewhere else, that would be fraud. Always remember buyer beware, however showing animals that were never on the place would be like showing a building that wasn’t actually there. They bought it At least partially because of the deer, and if the sellers were fraudulent in that aspect, they might have a case

That said, the more we go down the road that deer is a commodity, the sadder it is.

29-Aug-20
Oh Texas, the California of hunting

From: txhunter58
29-Aug-20
Like this couldn’t happen in Ohio or Michigan and even Oklahoma? This wasn’t a whitetail Farm. Stupid people live and buy ranches everywhere.

https://www.burkswhitetails.com/

http://www.sss-ranch.com/

From: txhunter58
29-Aug-20

From: Glunt@work
29-Aug-20
I found a bright spot. A rethinkwolves.com ad popped up while reading the article.

From: bigswivle
29-Aug-20
Gonna sue my landlord in Illinois cause I haven’t killed a deer there in five years. UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

29-Aug-20
u can buy 180 inch stocker bucks by the truckload in texas for 2 to 3k a piece. wont take ten million

From: txhunter58
29-Aug-20
Just Texas?

https://www.backroadswhitetails.com/

https://woodardwhitetails.com/about/

Should we discuss Oklahoma and Kentucky stereotypes here too? And again: the property in question is not a deer farm.

From: Ambush
29-Aug-20
For room and board and pocket money, I’d be willing to spend a few years knocking off the “bad” genetic bucks for them.

From: RK
29-Aug-20
I can't say to much except newspaper articles are what they are. I'm not sure which way I would bet but I'm leaning towards the buyers. Lots os reasons Nice ranch been on it several times. Neighbor

From: Dale06
29-Aug-20
If the seller represented it as having certain size deer and it does not, there may be a case for the buyer.

From: Ollie
29-Aug-20
Did the seller advertise the property telling potential buyers there were lots of mature bucks of a particular size? It’s one thing to state “plenty of deer” which is a lot different from “you can expect to see and kill bucks in the 160+ range.” The latter may constitute fraud if the seller knows he does not have mature bucks of that size on his property. Buyer should have done plenty of boots on the ground scouting as well as speaking with neighbors before buying.

From: Hancock West
30-Aug-20
they should of somehow tried to get an inventory by helicoptor or something. But if the seller promised a mecca, or a specific average size buck or deer per sq mile and intentionally lied to increase the sale price then they should be held accountable. Its all in the details of the contract.

From: bigswivle
30-Aug-20
Maybe next time you spend 14 million on something, make sure it’s what you want

From: JusPassin
30-Aug-20
Behavior seems to always reinforce my opinion that people who have money shouldn't be allowed to spend it.

From: Bowbender
30-Aug-20
Two words...

Due diligence.

30-Aug-20
It’s 9500 friggin’ acres. Grow the deer if they aren’t there.

From: Surfbow
30-Aug-20
"A fool and his money are soon parted"...and in Texas they are often parted even sooner

From: RK
30-Aug-20
Quit believing the article. All the genious things you guys are suggesting happened except one

There is an old saying about newspaper articles and it applies in this case

From: LBshooter
30-Aug-20
Have to go along with surf bow. Now, whose to say the deer aren't or weren't on that property? Maybe these new owners are terrible hunters, or maybe poachers came in and shot a bunch of deer. My question is what would 7000 acre ranch with a private lake sell for without world class deer on it? A few thousand dollars of genetics from deer farmers and so good food plots would get thier land up and running , and in the mean time they can shoot deer, blackbuck, pigs and waterfowl, not to shabby. So they shoot 140 / 150 class deer instead of 180. As the saying goes, buyer beware! And for 14.5 million they could go to that Michigan ranch, high fence and shoot 300 in deer all season long.

From: lawdy
05-Sep-20
The only way I would care about shooting a buck for its horns would be if shooting one somehow would enable me, a 74 year old guy, to piss like a 5 year old.

From: Woods Walker
05-Sep-20
......but with CONTROL! ;-)

05-Sep-20
Lawdy........bingo here also!!!!!!

05-Sep-20
$14.5 mill is a lot for a ranch, no matter what size deer. But to piss like a 5 yo, with control? Yep, I’d write that check if it wouldn’t bounce.

From: Mule Power
06-Sep-20
If they win can a guy sue Match.com if they don’t hook him up with a goddess? Asking for a friend....

From: Brun
06-Sep-20
14 million sounds like pretty big bucks to me!

From: Ambush
06-Sep-20
If I was spending 14.5 million on something, I'd probably spend a few thousand more for an independent audit before signing. If you're buying a ranch specifically for deer, wouldn't you want to verify that it had the deer you were paying for?!

Sounds more like buyers remorse to me. Rather than admit it was a dumb idea, try to wiggle out to save face. Could be some angry wives in the background too. Something like drinking and over exuberant bidding at big wildlife events : )

06-Sep-20
I would consider saving the attorney fees and focus on improving habitat, including food, and create my own deer mecca. With selectivity, improvements should come quickly.

One has to wonder what the quest for horn porn has come to, and where will it end? Apparently the quest is endless.

07-Sep-20
How many bighorn sheep hunts could you buy with $14.5 million?

07-Sep-20
$14.5 mill is a lot for a ranch, no matter what size deer. But to piss like a 5 yo, with control? Yep, I’d write that check if it wouldn’t bounce.

From: t-roy
07-Sep-20
Amazing how many of these threads turn into a pissing match ;-)

From: GF
08-Sep-20
That’s only funny to you because you haven’t lost one yet!

09-Sep-20
Buying a hunt and buying property are two different things. One has "potential" to build equity, the other does not. Property "may" become a good financial investment. A hunt ( sheep hunt in the above example) may bring memories, but is not a good financial investment.

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