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Contributors to this thread:
JohnMC 12-Oct-20
JohnMC 12-Oct-20
t-roy 12-Oct-20
JL 12-Oct-20
JohnMC 12-Oct-20
Stoneman 12-Oct-20
cnelk 12-Oct-20
Stoneman 13-Oct-20
JL 13-Oct-20
ryanrc 13-Oct-20
paul@thefort 13-Oct-20
LBshooter 13-Oct-20
GF 13-Oct-20
GF 13-Oct-20
brettpsu 13-Oct-20
sitO 13-Oct-20
midwest 13-Oct-20
WV Mountaineer 13-Oct-20
Rut Nut 13-Oct-20
MQQSE 13-Oct-20
GF 13-Oct-20
Hancock West 13-Oct-20
midwest 13-Oct-20
midwest 13-Oct-20
sitO 13-Oct-20
Ermine 13-Oct-20
elkmtngear 13-Oct-20
JL 13-Oct-20
Ucsdryder 13-Oct-20
Stayfit 13-Oct-20
WV Mountaineer 13-Oct-20
LINK 13-Oct-20
Destroyer350 13-Oct-20
JohnMC 13-Oct-20
greg simon 13-Oct-20
LINK 13-Oct-20
IdyllwildArcher 13-Oct-20
midwest 13-Oct-20
DonVathome 13-Oct-20
Ucsdryder 13-Oct-20
tobywon 13-Oct-20
JohnMC 13-Oct-20
Rut Nut 13-Oct-20
GF 13-Oct-20
tobywon 13-Oct-20
JohnMC 13-Oct-20
IdyllwildArcher 13-Oct-20
LINK 13-Oct-20
DonVathome 13-Oct-20
greg simon 13-Oct-20
buckhammer 13-Oct-20
spike78 13-Oct-20
GF 13-Oct-20
Tilzbow 14-Oct-20
GF 14-Oct-20
midwest 14-Oct-20
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sitO 14-Oct-20
Shaft2Long 14-Oct-20
kyrob 14-Oct-20
BigStriper 14-Oct-20
GF 14-Oct-20
Sand man 14-Oct-20
Pyrannah 14-Oct-20
BullBuster 15-Oct-20
Bill in MI 15-Oct-20
EmbryOklahoma 15-Oct-20
Z Barebow 16-Oct-20
Surfbow 17-Oct-20
From: JohnMC
12-Oct-20

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Crazy video!

From: JohnMC
12-Oct-20
Should add colorfully language warning.

From: t-roy
12-Oct-20
Holy crap! The guy was fortunate that he didn’t trip! What state was this in, John?

From: JL
12-Oct-20
Thousands of rocks.........

From: JohnMC
12-Oct-20
Commits on Instasnap says Utah.

From: Stoneman
12-Oct-20
I think I would have put down the phone started throwing rocks. Couldn't tell what made the young lion call it off?

From: cnelk
12-Oct-20
In the beginning of the video there are two kittens in the road. Then mama comes to defend them.

From: Stoneman
13-Oct-20
^^ I see now

From: JL
13-Oct-20
"I think I would have put down the phone started throwing rocks."

^...this

From: ryanrc
13-Oct-20
Cool video. Awesome hiking trail with all the fall colors. Him backing up probably encouraged the cat to follow.

From: paul@thefort
13-Oct-20
well he did repeat, "come on cat". And she did.

From: LBshooter
13-Oct-20
Bang your dead.

From: GF
13-Oct-20
“ I think I would have put down the phone started throwing rocks." ^...this

No, thanks. When you bend down to pick up a rock, you give up your big, scary size advantage and that can trigger the charge.

But I did see a note that the guy did manage to bean the cat with a rock, which cause it to break off the pursuit... maybe he got close to the hill and was able to snag one without bending down too much.

I kind of wonder what might have happened if he had taken his Big&Scary advantages to the next level and charged at the cat? Would she hold her ground or back down???

From: GF
13-Oct-20
I think maybe this guy could have used a pepper pistol in this situation; Mace makes one that seems lighter than a firearm...

From: brettpsu
13-Oct-20
Crazy how quick that cat was when it would do a bluff charge. He really wouldn't have had a chance if it decide to really attack.

From: sitO
13-Oct-20
That guy is not smart, took him 6min to grab a rock...would have taken a caveman 2.3sec

From: midwest
13-Oct-20
Props to the guy for continuing to video for that long!

Ditto on throwing a rock much sooner. I don't think his "big, scary size advantage" was having much effect.

13-Oct-20
The cat didn’t want to eat him. Only bluff him. I doubt a rock early on would have had much effect. She was set on pushing him out of the location and that is what she did.

I’m guessing both parties subconsciously knew how to defuse the situation and when to do it. People simply do not give animals credit on their reasoning ability. And, they don’t recognize instinct impulses.

From: Rut Nut
13-Oct-20
Yeah, LOL! I wonder why the cat did not heed his warning of being "big and scary?!" ;-)

From: MQQSE
13-Oct-20
His biggest mistake is to continue to taunt the cat with his voice. I think if he would have been quiet for a few moments he would have put some distance between he and the cat. You can see her reaction often when his voice gets aggressive. She continued to see him as a threat and thus continued to follow. Easy to guess afterward, but just my opinion. I would have tried to maintain my large size appearance and then calmly back away without any aggressive sounds and if that didn’t work then resort to a rock.

From: GF
13-Oct-20
Call me crazy, but I figure If she hadn’t been concerned about his size, she wouldn’t have been bluffing. I wonder what he was doing each time that she did charge him, though?

What triggered her to launch the attack, and what caused her to choose to break off? I’m also curious about just how close she was. Given cell-phone camera lenses, he had to be getting spit on.

From: Hancock West
13-Oct-20
complete idiot... great now that same cat will be more confident on his next interaction with humans...

all for clicks...

From: midwest
13-Oct-20
Stupid runners. ;-)

13-Oct-20
It appears he had made it to the crest of the hill or very near. She may have backed down once she was convinced he was out of her canyon.

Back to the "dropping the sidearm" threads... It was a lion that caused me to buy my ultralight titanium 44mag despite 3 close encounters with black bears prior to that. Even a little .380auto would have been worth that fellers whole bank account about thirty seconds into the video... Handy for the 2 legged critters too.

From: midwest
13-Oct-20

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"What triggered her to launch the attack, and what caused her to choose to break off?"

He was on a run and her kittens were on the trail. She broke off when he beaned her with a rock.

From: sitO
13-Oct-20
Not sure how you could say "I doubt a rock early on would have had much effect"...he grabbed one rock and it surely had an effect. I guess we could pick it apart second by second and rock by rock lol.

From: Ermine
13-Oct-20
Cool video! Just momma protecting her babies

From: elkmtngear
13-Oct-20
She wanted to run him as far away from those babies as possible...basically just saying "move along, dude" !

From: JL
13-Oct-20
IMO....bouncing a few of the thousands of rocks off the cat's head would have induced an immediate attitude correction upon said cat. Pajama boy's continued use of f-bombs and speaking to the cat may have kept the cat engaged longer than it normally would have stayed engaged. Think of two domestic cats in the back alley hissing at each other for a while...neither one backs down. Or maybe a dog/cat interaction where the dog barks at the cat and the cat stands it's ground hissing back at the dog. Once either shuts up and walks away...it's over. Trying to look at it thru the cat's eyes....Pajama boy staying vocally engaged with the cat for so long may have been a perceived threat to the cat. All just a guess of course...

From: Ucsdryder
13-Oct-20
No chance I’m bending over to pick up a rock at the beginning. She was ready to go at the beginning. Bending down and lowering your stature would have been a great way to trigger an attack. Later on her attitude seemed to change once he was away from the kittens.

From: Stayfit
13-Oct-20
Probably a runner too skinny to eat. He was waiting for a hunter with more body fat

13-Oct-20
SitO, let me rephrase.

I doubt the rock would have had the affect many were thinking it would. Seems to me it pissed her off instead of running her off.

From: LINK
13-Oct-20
Ok as I watched my thoughts were. Why are you huffing, hissing or doing anything to agitate an all ready agitated momma. I also thought of grabbing a rock early on but wondered if kneeling to grab one would trigger an attack. I think he played it pretty good other than his aggression towards the cat. It’s funny though listening to him, you can tell what thoughts are going through his head.

From: Destroyer350
13-Oct-20
Everytime he looked back to see where he was going the cat ran in closer. I dont think he could of bent down to pick up a rock to throw it.

From: JohnMC
13-Oct-20
Over all without any chance to think how to handle the situation the guy handled it very well.

From: greg simon
13-Oct-20
Just one more reason why I don't run!!!

I'll give the guy credit at least he did not just turn and run. Good outcome for both man and cat! Definitely reinforces my habit of carrying a pistol all the time also.

From: LINK
13-Oct-20
Nahh Greg, just “dump the pistol”. ;) I am with you. Too many freak accidents to not carry.

13-Oct-20
Woo, that'll get your pulse up...

Crazy footage.

From: midwest
13-Oct-20
Ummm, he DID bend over, picked up a rock, and threw it, hitting the cat. That's what ran the cat off.

From: DonVathome
13-Oct-20
Scary, guy did better then most nonhunters would have. He kept his cool and back away yelling. I would have picked up a rock a lot quicker but also agree bending over might have triggered an attack. I am surprised she left her kits so long.

I think he did really good.

From: Ucsdryder
13-Oct-20
Midwest you’re right. But that was a looooong ways from the kittens. Hard to say what would have happened when he was within 50 yards of them. I think she might have been a little more aggressive in protection mode. Hard to say, in the end he got really lucky.

From: tobywon
13-Oct-20
That was intense. I didn't think the cat would follow for that long and leave kittens. So if you had a pistol and had it drawn, what would have been your first move? Fire a shot off to the side to see if that deterred her first or immediately shoot the cat?

From: JohnMC
13-Oct-20
At that range I would have shot the cat no question about it.

From: Rut Nut
13-Oct-20
Bang, Bang, Bang.....................................................center mass! ;-)

From: GF
13-Oct-20
“ So if you had a pistol and had it drawn, what would have been your first move? Fire a shot off to the side to see if that deterred her first or immediately shoot the cat?”

Depends on whether she was in full-on charge mode or not by the time I had the gun up.

If she was full- tilt, chances are pretty good the first would go wide or high regardless; once she had pulled up (but still following) and just trying to make her point, I would probably put one in the ground in front of her to let noise and gravel make my point for me.

From: tobywon
13-Oct-20
GF, you're thinking too much :) Drop yourself in that video not knowing the outcome. Just a cat doing exactly what she did in that video. Gun is drawn already and she is slowly coming at you like that. Again, you don't know the outcome because you are in the moment. Just wondering what people would do.

From: JohnMC
13-Oct-20
I don't think GF thinks to much he just wants to sound special. Read a few of his post and you will get see.

13-Oct-20
"So if you had a pistol and had it drawn, what would have been your first move?"

That cat was REALLY close. Cell phone video makes things look far away - that thing was charging to within spitting distance.

I'd have blown that thing away right off the bat if I had a pistol.

From: LINK
13-Oct-20
If I had it drawn I would have fired on the first charge after I had my gun out. If I had time between drawing and a charge I would have shot in the dirt very near it’s front feet. At least that’s what I say from behind the keyboard. In all likelihood I would have emptied the magazine as soon as I got drawn.

From: DonVathome
13-Oct-20
Good point about it being closer then it looks. Given I saw kittens I would have shot assuming she was not stopping and she as to close for a second shot if first was just a warning. That is one heck of a predator and very close range, likely 5 yards or less.

From: greg simon
13-Oct-20
Boom!!! Only got so many bullets and I ain't wasting one on the ground!!! That cat was close.

From: buckhammer
13-Oct-20
I have had a few cougars of the 2 legged variety act like that when I approach them in a bar. Some nights you got it......... some nights you don't

From: spike78
13-Oct-20
I think a warning shot would have made it run if not I’m shooting every round I got. I was approached by a black bear once and I can say without a gun you feel small and helpless that is for sure!

From: GF
13-Oct-20
@toby-

Let’s drop me in there knowing there were kittens involved. My Preference would be to not kill that mother; if you do, then best case scenario is that the kittens get killed before they starve. Worst case, they live long enough to attack somebody.

But if she was still coming full-tilt at the time that I could get off a somewhat aimed shot, of course I would shoot (and most likely miss by a fair margin).

And now that I’ve seen the full-length version... I’m tempted to say that this guy waived his right to deadly force when he APPROACHED those cubs. Dumbass.

I hope he had to walk home with a load in his pants.

From: Tilzbow
14-Oct-20
GF, You do realize two things?

1) Lion babies aren’t cubs.... 2) He turned around shortly after he saw the kittens.

He also commented about wishing he had his gun.

All in all, I thought the guy did pretty good. No one was harmed in the making of that video.

From: GF
14-Oct-20
OK, I’ll play....

1) Cubs... Kittens.... I’ve heard it both ways many times so I use them interchangeably... just like all of the wildlife biologist PhDs and PhD candidates I used to hang with in grad school. Didn’t think I was going to confuse anyone.

2) “shortly after” as in AFTER he dug out his phone and moved in for a closer look....

You can call me a chicken if you like... but I would have been backing out of there as soon as I had a good idea of what I was looking at - especially without a suitable weapon at hand, but even with one. Approaching a predator’s young is asking for a confrontation. We all know better than to try to get closer to bear cubs, don’t we?

From: midwest
14-Oct-20
If you read the article, he says he thought the kittens were bobcats at first when he took out his phone for video.

"Thinking they were bobcats (it wouldn’t be the first time he’d seen those), Burgess pulled out his phone and started recording. Seconds later, when their mother came into view, it dawned on him that he was in big trouble. "

From: midwest
14-Oct-20

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Seems a suitable thread for this PSA...

From: sitO
14-Oct-20
Second "angle" captured...

From: Shaft2Long
14-Oct-20
If you’re going to take the time to film your own potential demise can you PLEASE have the courtesy to film in landscape mode?

From: kyrob
14-Oct-20
Impressive animal that mama cat. I think if she wanted him she would have got him and not much he could have done with or without a gun.

From: BigStriper
14-Oct-20
kyrob, not sure if the Gun would have helped or not , but I sure would have felt better with one than without. No dumping the pistol, maybe get a lighter weight one.

From: GF
14-Oct-20
Not my fault the guy doesn’t know the difference between a small cougar and a bobcat or a Lynx.

And adult bobcats (apart from being solitary) would not loll around in the open with a human approaching.

Too many red flags. There’s a difference between being attentive and being afraid, and he made a bad decision.

From: Sand man
14-Oct-20
Carry...

Yet another reason to exercise your right...

From: Pyrannah
14-Oct-20
Siri!! That is so awesome!! I was laughing for minutes on that one lol

As for original... that cat would be have been shot

From: BullBuster
15-Oct-20
https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/videos/2455108774798070/?vh=e&extid=0&d=n Here is the real unedited version. Sorry I don’t know how to pull out of Facebook.

From: Bill in MI
15-Oct-20
Sito that's hilarious. "I'm well established" "Go get your babies. My babies are in college" lmao

15-Oct-20
Sito!! LMAO!!

From: Z Barebow
16-Oct-20
If that cat actually wanted to kill him, he would have never seen her. He would have had difficulty getting his phone out with the lion on his back clamping down on his neck. Her actions basically said "Get the F@#K out of HERE!" in cat language.

From: Surfbow
17-Oct-20
Such a wild video, that cat is really, fast when it wants to be, and it's MUCH closer than the video makes it look. Love the armchair quarterbacking here, remember how bad the 'kitten' tore up the guy in Ft. Collins before he strangled it?

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