Mathews Inc.
Cold Weather Clothing Review
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
kota-man 29-Oct-20
JohnMC 29-Oct-20
kota-man 29-Oct-20
M.Pauls 29-Oct-20
kota-man 29-Oct-20
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bighorn 29-Oct-20
kota-man 29-Oct-20
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Straight Shooter 29-Oct-20
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JL 29-Oct-20
kota-man 29-Oct-20
Jack Whitmrie jr 29-Oct-20
Panther Bone 29-Oct-20
kota-man 29-Oct-20
hawkeye in PA 30-Oct-20
huntinelk 30-Oct-20
WV Mountaineer 30-Oct-20
carcus 30-Oct-20
standswittaknife 30-Oct-20
kota-man 30-Oct-20
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Yooper-traveler 30-Oct-20
Panther Bone 30-Oct-20
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Panther Bone 30-Oct-20
Scoot 30-Oct-20
WV Mountaineer 30-Oct-20
Charlie Rehor 30-Oct-20
kota-man 30-Oct-20
Scoot 30-Oct-20
kota-man 30-Oct-20
Panther Bone 30-Oct-20
grape 31-Oct-20
carcus 31-Oct-20
woodguy65 31-Oct-20
Bou'bound 31-Oct-20
altitude sick 31-Oct-20
rattling_junkie 31-Oct-20
kota-man 31-Oct-20
kota-man 31-Oct-20
Cazador 31-Oct-20
lewis 31-Oct-20
APauls 31-Oct-20
Screwball 31-Oct-20
rattling_junkie 31-Oct-20
Cazador 31-Oct-20
Bake 01-Nov-20
Milhouse 01-Nov-20
carcus 01-Nov-20
Bowfreak 01-Nov-20
kota-man 01-Nov-20
Bake 01-Nov-20
Ironbow 01-Nov-20
buckfevered 01-Nov-20
Buffalo1 01-Nov-20
Buffalo1 01-Nov-20
Rupe 02-Nov-20
goyt 02-Nov-20
Brotsky 02-Nov-20
Kannuck 02-Nov-20
TXCO 02-Nov-20
Sivart 02-Nov-20
kota-man 02-Nov-20
kota-man 02-Nov-20
midwest 02-Nov-20
TXCO 02-Nov-20
Neubauer 02-Nov-20
Scoot 02-Nov-20
Brotsky 02-Nov-20
midwest 02-Nov-20
kota-man 02-Nov-20
Iowabowhunter 02-Nov-20
Jack Whitmrie jr 03-Nov-20
Scoot 03-Nov-20
skookumjt 03-Nov-21
From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
There have been a TON of threads lately regarding Cold Weather Whitetail Clothing/systems. I own or have used most of the systems out there today designed for tree stand whitetail hunting. I will do a separate post on each of the following: Sitka Stratus, Sitka Fanatic, Sitka Incinerator, KOM StandMaster Extreme, First Lite Solitude, First Lite Sanctuary, Day One Insulated parka and bibs, Grey Wolf Woolens (both wool and standard),Predator Insulated Bibs and coat, Cabelas Stand Master, Heater Body Suit and another system similar to the HBS whose name escapes me.

For whitetail hunting out of a stand, you can get by with using just about anything insulated... from Walmart Insulated Coveralls to Carharts to some of the most elaborate tree stand designed clothing specifically for sitting in a tree. Do we “need” the latter? Probably not, but why not be as comfortable as one is willing to spend to be comfortable. Here’s my take on all these systems, for what it’s worth...

From: JohnMC
29-Oct-20
If you ever have a yard sale I might have to make a road trip!

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
My first true cold weather insulated clothing set were a set of bibs and hooded jacket made by Predator Camo. This set served me well for almost 10 years, but was pretty basic. Soft fleece exterior, full of poly fill did the job for years. When the set was “wore out” and needed replacing, the market had started designing insulated clothing designed for whitetail hunters. I wore a set of Day One Predator Insulated Parka and Bibs next. They were excellent quality, fairly warm and did the job. I started seeing the benefits of wool and decided to try some custom bibs and parka from Grey Wolf Woolens. This set was fantastic, custom tailored, warm and some of the highest quality workmanship you will find. I went from Grey Wolf to King of the Mountain Stand Master Extreme. In the end I kind of went away from the heavy wool stuff as it didn’t travel well. Again, super high quality, warm but a bit bulky. These systems continued to be refined and that brings me to Sitka and First Lite. I’ll dedicate a post to each of these 5 systems I currently own.

From: M.Pauls
29-Oct-20
Oooh this will be good! Thanks Cory for taking the time and money to enlighten us all. Please post link for your gofundme page as well so we can all pitch in!

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
SITKA STRATUS

This is probably my most versatile system I own. I have the pants, bibs and jacket. This set isn’t really insulated, but is a low knapp exterior lined fleece with a layer of Wind-stopper between another layer of low fleece, designed to be worn as an exterior shell. I will wear this set early season with just a tee and start layering it as the season gets later. I wore it last night at 36 degrees with a 25 mph wind with a Pnuma heated vest, long sleeve tee, and heavy weight base layer bottoms. I could add insulated layers and go even colder with it. I like it because it is light, and not as bulky as the heavy weight insulated pieces, but those temps and conditions are about as cold as I’m willing to go with this set.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20

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Stratus Jacket
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Stratus Jacket
Sitka Stratus

From: bighorn
29-Oct-20
KUIU down hard to beat for warmth and lite weight.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
SITKA FANATIC

The Fanatic is currently considered the “Gold Standard” in insulated tree stand apparel. A big hand warmer pocket, rangefinder pocket, safety harness slot, and a thinner fabric on the bow arm are just a few of the specific features. The new versions of both the Stratus and Fanatic are much quieter than their predecessor. Paired with a Fanatic Hoodie and my Pnuma Heated Vest, I can go to almost zero degrees in this set up. The Fanatic is really nice, but not my favorite set. The high loft Berber fleece really makes this set “feel” bulky to me. The set is probably one of the most functional systems out there and I like it, but for me it’s a “tweener” set and I’ll explain why later.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20

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Fanatic
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Fanatic
Sitka Fanatic

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
SITKA INCINERATOR

“Like being wrapped in a high loft water proof down sleeping bag while on stand”. Kind of sums up the Incinerator. Only one down side to this system: It’s not silent and the colder it gets the louder it is. My Incinerator is relegated to rainy, snowy, windy days on stand. I have yet to use a warmer system but the noise factor makes this one tough to take on a clear, cold winter sub zero day. The Incinerator is also one of the most expensive systems out there. I’d hate to be without the Incinerator, but it would not survive as my only cold weather system due to the noise. In Sitka’s defense, I don’t know what you can do to make a piece as warm and waterproof as this set without compromising one or the other. Definitely a “luxury” set/item to have in the whitetail aresenal. It won’t be for everyone, but I’m glad I have mine.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20

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Sitka Incinerator

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
First Lite Sanctuary

The Sanctuary is the competition to the Incinerator in the warmth category, however, it is silent. It is not as wind and waterproof as the Incinerator but the fact that it is silent is huge for me. The Bibs didn’t fit me great so I either wear the Incinerator Bibs or the KOM StandMaster Bibs. My “go to” on a still, cold, winter day is the Sanctuary Jacket and KOM Bibs paired with Pnuma Heated Vest and PNUMA Heated Long underwear. I like the features and cut of the Incinerator better but the silence of the KOM Bibs and Sanctuary jacket is money on those freezing cold, sub zero sits.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20

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First Lite Sanctuary

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
First Lite Solitude

This system competes directly with the Fanatic system. While the Fanatic is loaded with features, the Solitude is simple, more “athletic” cut giving it the feel of being slimmer, lighter and not as bulky feeling of the Fanatic. If features are important the Fanatic is tough to beat. If you just want a simple, late season insulated set to get you down low into double digits and not feel the bulk, the Solitude is a good option. Call me crazy but I really like this set and even prefer it to the Fanatic.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20

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First Lite Solitude

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
To respond to some of the comments... Bighorn-I have both the Super Down and Super Down Pro and while both offer great warmth to weight ratio, I don’t usually put a “puffy” jacket into my whitetail lineup. They’re noisy, unless you really cover them, but covering them lowers the loft making them less warm.

KD- yes, just about anything will work for whitetails if is warm and quiet. The point of this thread was to address the many new whitetail systems that have hit the market the past couple years. Your point is certainly correct in that there are a ton of other great options out there that work that won’t “break the bank”. And I LOVE those boots. Bought a pair last year and use them in the tree-stand regularly.

29-Oct-20
Nice work I’ll be following, I do have my favorite for stand hunting.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
I tend not to be a fan of Iwom, Heater Body Suit and the other “Body Bag” I tried. I don’t like getting into them in the stand and the HBS zippers were super loud. The other “bag” I tried was super “crinkly”. These appear to be love/hate for most. I’m in the latter. In theory, they should work. Walk to the stand in some light clothing, climb the stand and put the bag on. They just don’t work for me. Of the three, I liked the Heater Body Suit best but the zippers were a deal breaker. Super loud.

From: JL
29-Oct-20
IMO.....any clothing that makes any noise is a no-go for stand hunting. When I'm checking out any new clothing line at places like BPS, Cabelas, Sportsmans or even Wallyworld.....I scratch it with my nails. If I can hear it....nope. That is one of the main reasons I went with the insulated Predator pants and jacket in fall gray years ago. It's hard to hear, if at all, when you draw back the bow. In fact I was wearing it tonight on the stand.

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
I’ll circle back on some of this and answer comments/questions tomorrow. In other words “I’m putting a lid on It for tonight”. ;)

29-Oct-20
Love this thread !

29-Oct-20
I’ve been considering First Lite Solitude.

Kota, how well does First Lite’s options mentioned block wind?

Thanks!

From: kota-man
29-Oct-20
Panther Bone...This is the area FL lacks in. By adding Wind Stopper you’re going to add noise. FL’s stuff is pretty silent, but the wind can get through. I combat that with some layers and don’t have any issues. The Sitka stuff does a much better job at blocking wind with their wind stopper.

30-Oct-20
Thanks for your time on the excellent reviews.

From: huntinelk
30-Oct-20
Kota,

I know this is the clothing section....but do you have a different arsenal of boots that complement each of these systems or is there one favorite boot that covers most of your treestand hunting?

Thanks

30-Oct-20
Awesome stuff Cory.

From: carcus
30-Oct-20
Thanks Cory, I have grey wolf double insulated bibs and jacket, im not crazy about it, i've been cold many times, I also have the cabelas stand hunter extreme in a one piece and bibs and jacket, very warm, quiet but very bulky, I'm just bidding on a set of first lite sanctuary, hopefully get it. I also have the sitka stratus set, its good but noisy, seems like everything sitka is noisy, my downpour rain suit is so loud it cant be used for hunting purposes, for this reason I will steer clear of the incinerator suit

30-Oct-20
Couldn’t agreee more about FL. In my opinion a superior noise reducing cloth but not “totally” wind proof.. that being said, layering correctly can eliminate this to some extent..

From: kota-man
30-Oct-20
Gene...For treestand I wear 3 different boots. Until it gets below 20 degrees I wear 1600 gram Alpha Burly’s and the Hoffman Explorer Packs. Colder than that and I wear the white military “bunny” boots.

From: kota-man
30-Oct-20
Carcus...The 2020 versions of the Stratus and Fanatic are much quieter than previous versions. Almost silent...In fact they are the quietest wind stopper garnets I’ve ever seen.

30-Oct-20
Cory, great review. I agree about the FL. I wear the Uncompahgre under the Sanctuary when it gets frigid. I also use the HBS. A little zipper wax goes a long way to quiet that down.

30-Oct-20
I’ve been considering First Lite Solitude.

Kota, how well does First Lite’s options mentioned block wind?

Thanks!

30-Oct-20
Not sure how my post got duplicated.

Thanks for the info., Kota!

I would go with the fanatic if it wasn’t for the angled zipper. I just can’t drop that much money on a jacket that’s zipper is only functionally relevant when sitting in a stand. I know I’m the minority voice out there on this, but it’s not ideal for me because of a couple reasons in this regard.

30-Oct-20
Not sure how my post got duplicated.

Thanks for the info., Kota!

I would go with the fanatic if it wasn’t for the angled zipper. I just can’t drop that much money on a jacket that’s zipper is only functionally relevant when sitting in a stand. I know I’m the minority voice out there on this, but it’s not ideal for me because of a couple reasons in this regard.

From: Scoot
30-Oct-20
This was really great and super informative. I've got a question that I think is semi-related--- I am in the market for a good set of bibs. I'm not going to drop $1K on KOM bibs, but would like a set that will keep me warmer than my insulated wool pants I wear now. I think bibs are just inherently warmer than pants, so I want to give a pair a try.

Anyhoo... I'm of mindset that super quiet bibs really don't matter much. If they stop wind and have good insultation, I don't really care if they are uber quiet- my legs don't move much at all when I'm in the stand and I've got a deer within 100 yards of me. My upper body does move when I draw my bow, in particular, and I want my top clothes to be whisper quiet. I just can't see the value in dropping huge coin on something for my legs that's super expensive to help make it both warm AND quiet. Is my thinking off here?

30-Oct-20
I want quiet as I can get. I do agree that bibs are warmer then pants. I’ll have under layers and pants on when I wear them too. So, the warmest bibs aren’t a priority if they aren’t quiet. But, that’s just me.

30-Oct-20
I can’t participate because I only have Sitka. All Sitka, all the time.

From: kota-man
30-Oct-20
Scoot...I know alot of guys that wear Incinerator Bibs with the Fanatic Jacket. (I've been known to do that as well) Reason being the Incinerators are warmer, and water proof. If you can find some uber warm bibs, that work, I agree that they don't have to be AS quiet as the Jacket. And "yes" bibs are inherently warmer than pants by a long shot as they keep your "core" warm. Now, I'm not saying to go out and buy warm nylon noisy bibs either, but you can get away with slightly more noise with the bibs vs. the top IMO. My go to ultra cold weather gear is silent from both regards. KOM Bibs with the Sanctuary Jacket is about as quiet as you can get in a cold weather system.

From: Scoot
30-Oct-20
Got it- thanks fellas. Great review that is really timely, Cory.

From: kota-man
30-Oct-20
Here's one rant/complaint with all of these systems that I can't believe a company catering to bowhunters can't figure out: FAT COLLARS

The worst is this category is the FL Solitude followed by the KOM StandMaster. The collars on these two items are really unacceptable for a bowhunter. They're HUGE. The Sitka Collars aren't horrible, but they're not great either. Anytime a collar interferes with my bowstring, it is getting folded under. I just hate folding under a collar on a $650 jacket that is really designed for bowhunting. :) All of these need a "thinner" collar IMO. I'm willing to sacrifice the warmth a huge collar offers for accuracy and not getting my head tore off at the moment of truth.

30-Oct-20
Not sure how my post got duplicated.

Thanks for the info., Kota!

I would go with the fanatic if it wasn’t for the angled zipper. I just can’t drop that much money on a jacket that’s zipper is only functionally relevant when sitting in a stand. I know I’m the minority voice out there on this, but it’s not ideal for me because of a couple reasons in this regard.

From: grape
31-Oct-20
I sat yesterday dark to dark in northeast Wisconsin. Temperatures started in the 20's. There is absolutely NO way I would have made it without HBS. No way. I wish I had one many years ago.

From: carcus
31-Oct-20
X2 on the collars Cory, I had a shorter collar put on my grey wolf jacket when I ordered it, its awesome for that, my cabelas stand hunter one piece has a decent collar, my 2 piece is ridiculous, it covers my ears!. A big collar is ok if you have a giraffe neck, but I have the opposite problem

From: woodguy65
31-Oct-20
X3 on the collars, thought I was the only one they bothered. I fold all mine under as well.

From: Bou'bound
31-Oct-20
Why is the fanatic zipper angled. What supposed problem are they solving for that has never been needed to be solved for in 5000 years of garment making

31-Oct-20

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It’s a perfect frosty Halloween AM. But the deer don’t know it. Haven’t seen one deer yet.
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It’s a perfect frosty Halloween AM. But the deer don’t know it. Haven’t seen one deer yet.
Bou, it’s so it can have a full length zipper and have a kangaroo pouch hand warmer Pocket. I’m wearing mine now and like the jacket. All except the zipper. I would rather it was a 3/4 length. Last evening sit it is was mid 30s With wind in the 20s mph. I was wearing my Fanatic and Cabelas heavy Berber fleece bibs. The wind eventually got through the Berber. And I got a hair chilly. This AM it’s 25 and zero wind. A good test for quietness. I’m wearing a hooded pull over under the Fanatic. And Incinerator bibs. I’m toasty warm. But there is no wind. It’s a good combo of warmth and stealth. I’m not a Sitka fan boy but I really do like all the little features that the Fanatic has. Except the zipper. I would prefer it to be vertical. To the top of the kangaroo pouch.

31-Oct-20
I wear the HBS, and love it. The zipper is a little loud if you unzip them too quick. Put some pressure and go slow then it really isn't that loud. Though I'll try some zipper wax, didn't know they made that stuff.

From: kota-man
31-Oct-20
I agree with Altitude...I would prefer the Fanatic be 1/4 /1/2 zip vs angled full zipper. I do really like the “muff pouch” though.

There’s one more system I have, but didn’t include as it’s not the best Bowhunting system but a VERY effective cold weather system and that’s the Sitka Blizzard set. I love the down pants and the features on the jacket. This set is goose down similar to the Incinerator but has the Goretex waterproof exterior making it a bit loud for bowhunting. I use the heck out of this system late season muzzleloader and rifle hunting. I also used it as my under garment on my Polar Bear Hunt with Canada Goose Bibs and Jacket over the top. This set would work great for a late season Canmore Bighorn Archery Hunt. Overall, another well thought out, warm waterproof system by Sitka.

From: kota-man
31-Oct-20

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Sitka Blizzard

From: Cazador
31-Oct-20
Day One without a doubt, not even a close second has/had the best collars going. Gary knew what he was doing as he was a hard core bowhunter. I have one vest the collar in back goes almost over my head, and it trims down perfectly in the front so it doesn't get hung up on your string. Your back to the wind, you don't even feel it.

From: lewis
31-Oct-20
Great reviews I’m sure some of the younger guys can get a lot of good useful info out of this.Stay safe Lewis

From: APauls
31-Oct-20
Interesting. I’ve got the First Lite Sanctuary as we as the new Sitka Fanatic set. I would consider these two sets competition to each other. Of the two I prefer the Sitka hands down. I find it warmer, and the Windstopper is key. The hand muff in the Fanatic is still something that puts the system in another league IMO. Bou - this is the reason for an angled zipper and this angled zipper makes this the best jacket ever.

The sleeve does have a slight crinkle to it, but you’ve really gotta be listening. The First Lite might be a Small touch quieter, but Sitka better in every other way. Although I wouldn’t mind the hood option back.

I also have a HBS, but getting into it in a tree stand is so death defying I’m surprised insurance people don’t ask this question when you buy life insurance. I rarely, if ever, use it anymore because the clothing technology elsewhere has come so far. They also don’t make the feet big enough for my big boots which is really annoying. Or at least mine isn’t. I’ve had mine for 12 years. Zipper noise is no concern for me on it though

ADDENDUM: I listened to my FL VS Sitka for noise and can’t tell a difference. Only pure fleece or pure wool will be essentially noiseless. The windstopper in the Sitka makes it so much warmer it’s not worth comparing. I love it

From: Screwball
31-Oct-20
I just received my DayOne vest wind stop and insulated very warm and love the collar. Thinking on getting bibs any other feedback on Day One?

31-Oct-20
Adam when I use my HBS I'm always harnessed in, so really not death defying. I can say the HBS works for me extremely well. Really all this stuff comes down to personal preference and what one appreciates in a product. I'll be in the HBS tomorrow.

From: Cazador
31-Oct-20

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I have the Day One bibs, its the windstopper, fleece model. They are very warm, and dead quiet. Cold day in CO is 5-10 degrees but the wind is a crusher. It's nothing to be sitting with a constant 10-20 MPH breeze going. We get sun here so it's not as bad as way up north, but I'm happy with it.

If you're into camo, some pretty nice options.

From: Bake
01-Nov-20
Great review!! Thank you for taking the time to do it. I’d really like to upgrade my old fanatic set that is in the old forest pattern with the incinerator bibs and the fanatic jacket

However, my question is how you layer underneath it for the best cold weather ability?? Long underwear and thin pants? Just a shirt and the pnuma? I always feel like I gotta layer way up under it, and that probably does more harm than good

From: Milhouse
01-Nov-20
I love the Incinerator stuff as far as overall warmth. It's "quiet-ish" when it really gets cold. I can wear it and get away with drawing a bow in pretty extreme temps... but I usually go with the FL Sanctuary parka and Incinerator bibs in really cold weather. The Sanctuary is so much quieter than the Incinerator parka. The bibs don't matter as much, because I try to set my stands so I can shoot sitting down. Under layers are also key. I will usually go with very light silk, poly or merino as a first layer, mid weight poly socks, and heavyweight merino socks. I just got tbe Pnuma heated long underwear, haven't tried em yet, but that'll be layer #2, them some pnuma Insulator pants. Incinerator bibs would complete the bottom half. Top I'll go same lightweight base, Pnuma vest, fleece turtle neck, sometimes a poly or wool sweater.... then the Sanctuary parka. Summit heated hand muff, thin gloves, maybe a couple of backup chemical handwarmers. Boots are normally Baffin snowmobiling boots. Not sure the model... Boa lock laces. Fleece neck gaiter, thin facemask, and a fleece or wool beanie. That's a mouthful.... I can sit all day with this get up. It's taken me awhile to get it together, and trial and error has been a big part of the process. I'll walk to my stand wearing the bottom stuff, as long as it's not a long walk, and the parka, and sweater strapped to my daypack. Top layer goes on at or in the stand.

Some guys will say eliminate a layer or two and get an HBS. This is apparently a love/hate thing.... I'm in the latter group. Owned one, didn't like attempting to get into on stand. At all. Everything about bowhunting is a personal choice. What one guy thinks works perfectly for him, another will hate. This is what works for me. Your milage will vary.

From: carcus
01-Nov-20
I was just looking at the KOM standmaster suit $2150 USD thats $2865CAD, wow, crazy expensive, doesn't look much different than my wool cabela's stand hunter extreme suit that I paid $350 for, screw it maybe I'll get a set, and maybe a dozen bishop arrows for only $2200 and a 3 pack of broadheads for $600! JK! insane!

From: Bowfreak
01-Nov-20
Thanks for the great information. I'm curious what the new FL Specter is going to be? I am assuming it is a camo pattern but possibly a whole new clothing system. I guess we will know tomorrow 11/2.

From: kota-man
01-Nov-20
Bake...Here’s my Fanatic upper layering: Tee, Pnuma Vest, Fanatic Hoodie, Fanatic. This will easily get me into the “teens”, single digits if I had to. Anything more and I feel like the “Michelin Man”.

I too anxiously await First Lites announcement tomorrow. I’m gonna guess new camo with some new wind stopping material.

The Day One stuff is good stuff. I may revisit it again sooner than later.

From: Bake
01-Nov-20
Thanks Kota!

From: Ironbow
01-Nov-20
I have used the Day One bibs in fleece with windstopper (no insulation) for over 20 years. I can layer fleece pants under it, or in really cold weather, I have some old Cabela's insulated fleece pants with Dry Plus (similar to Gore Tex) that I layer under it and am very warm in them.

As mentioned, Day One has the best collars in the industry for bowhunting. I have a couple of nice Cabela's jackets and hate, hate the collars.

From: buckfevered
01-Nov-20
Thank you. Good info.

From: Buffalo1
01-Nov-20
Cory this is an absolute outstanding critiquing of cold weather apparel. Thanks for the time you took to present.

Even though I hunt in the Deep South, I can still glean knowledge and principles on proper way to dress and stay warm, quiet and dry. Most appreciated.

From: Buffalo1
01-Nov-20
Charlie,

Even though you are an all Sitka all the time hunter, would love to hear your apparel advice/experiences with Sitka clothing. Tks

From: Rupe
02-Nov-20
I own First Lite Sanctuary Bibs and the First Lite Woodberry Jacket with the First Lite Uncompahgre Puffy Insulated Jacket for layering when it gets really cold. I love the fit and finish. And I have hunted in bitter cold here in Iowa. Only thing gets cold is my feet. LOL

I hike in with just a light set of fleece on. Once in my stand I wait about 15 minutes or so before putting on my outer garments.

From: goyt
02-Nov-20
I have the first edition Fanatic Parka and a First Lite Sanctuary Parka. Both have hoods which is a must for me. I like everything on the Fanatic except the noise and wear it when there is wind if I think to switch parkas. It is faster and easier to shove a phone or call into the pocket on the Fanatic if a deer is coming. Until Sitka offers a hooded Fanatic my first choice is the Sanctuary.

From: Brotsky
02-Nov-20
I run first lite but guys asking about boots and feet. Get a set of arctic shield boot blankets. They are awesome, I will not hunt in cold weather in a tree or blind without them.

From: Kannuck
02-Nov-20
X2 on the boot blankets! Best money I've ever spent. Helly Hansen liner sock - Alpaca heavyweight socks - LaCrosse 1800 gram boots. Put Arctic Shield boot blankets on when in the stand. If it's below -30 add some toe warmers.

From: TXCO
02-Nov-20
Any experience with the fanatic hoody in your system? Im trying to decide if the little things are worth it or if just stick with a normal hoody.

From: Sivart
02-Nov-20
Don't you find that the Stratus jacket is really noisy when leaning back into the bark of the tree? Mine sounds like really loud velcro, to the point i won't use that jacket unless it's super windy.

From: kota-man
02-Nov-20
TXCO...One of the things I like best about the Fanatic Hoody is the built in mask. As long as I'm wearing that hoodie, I don't worry about a face covering.

Sivart...Is that a '20 Stratus, or previous version? The new versions of the Fanatic and Stratus are much quieter than previous versions. I noticed the Stratus is much "softer" than the previous version.

From: kota-man
02-Nov-20
Well, First Lite's big announcement was alot of hype with very little substance IMO. Nice new camo pattern and that's it. No additional wind stopper type garmets. Meh...

From: midwest
02-Nov-20
Dammit, got me wanting to spend a bunch of money, kota. lol

Thanks for the review!

From: TXCO
02-Nov-20
Thanks Kota, I like the facemask and hood along with the kangaroo pocket. The mittens seem more a hassle than anything. I guess to me it seems the only different between the fanatic and core heavy weight is the kangaroo pocket and mittens.

From: Neubauer
02-Nov-20
I’ve tried the fanatic system and the sanctuary system. I always felt like there was a bit of noise that bothered me. They also weren’t nearly as warm as I thought they would be. I was at my local Cabela’s a few years ago and inspected the Cabela’s Stand Hunter system and I was sold. Yes it’s really heavy but it’s dead silent and unbelievably warm. I went with the full coveralls and haven’t regretted it. I like that it traps my body heat where as a coat and overalls kinda let air in and out. It works for me.

From: Scoot
02-Nov-20
Cory, how is the Firstlite Sanctuary jacket in terms of burr resistance? I love my Fanatic jacket, but daayyuuum does that thing attract burrs! If I'm within 30' of cockleburs or beggar's lice, they will magically fly through the air to attach to it! It's a burr magnet!

Another question- a puffy under the Fanatic. How does that compare in noise to the Incinerator? How about compared to the Sanctuary?

From: Brotsky
02-Nov-20
Scoot, I use the Sanctuary system because of the burr factor. I won't say it's burr proof but it's light years better than the Fanatic. I fired my fanatic jacket for that reason, the damn burrs where I hunt are something else. I'm pretty sure I spread them out under all my stands by picking them off that damn fanatic jacket :)

From: midwest
02-Nov-20
Burrs are a huge problem in the areas I hunt but I never wear my outer layer jacket to the stand. Vest and jacket are always in the pack.

From: kota-man
02-Nov-20
Hey Scoot...As stated the Sanctuary isn’t nearly as bad for Burr’s as the Fanatic. Not “burr resistant” but way better.

Regarding a puffy under the Fanatic, I don’t do it. I just wear a warmer outer layer. With the Sanctuary and Incinerator with the heated Pnuma I don’t even ever consider adding a puffy to the Fanatic. The Fanatic already “feels” bulky enough to me with limited layering, I’m not willing to add to that bulk.

02-Nov-20
I've got the older model Fanatic jacket and bibs-i like them. Heavy as all get out packing to the stand, and as stated is a burr magnet.

My mid-layer is something I've got to figure out. I wear lightweight FL merino top and bottom long underwear, Cabelas extreme cold weather top and bottom long under wear.

Kuiu Attack pants and Teton jacket (these are both needing replaced with something warmer with windstopper).

First Lite unpronounceable jacket if its real coldnis layered under the fanatic jacket. Love the hand muff and angled zipper!

03-Nov-20
Ok I've spent about $500 from this post so far :)

From: Scoot
03-Nov-20
Thanks for the replies, fellas.

From: skookumjt
03-Nov-21
This is worth bumping considering the recent threads. Thanks for the reviews.

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