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What happens when you hit a deer shoulder?That is what I tested in this video,it's not completely valid for several reasons such as the shoulder being against a hard Surface,and several Other reasons,but interesting None the same.
If you hear the loud crack,,,, it ain't good...
I got 2 minutes into this and decided that I didn’t have 20 minutes for it....
The biggest issue with a shoulder hit is the give under the shoulder. If it were solid, the arrow would/should go through.
I didn't even start to watch it. Everybody knows you can't simulate a shoulder shot on a living deer.
I've shot through several shoulders of mature whitetail bucks. Some on-side, some off-side, one through both. It can certainly be done, but it can also turn into a disaster. People act like it's harder than shooting through an oak tree.
i love it when an 8th grader educates me
Are you shooting through the scapula or through the shoulder?
I skimmed through but that kid was hard to watch. He liked to hear himself talk - a lot.
Wow! 20 seconds was all I could take.
Wow! Flame on! Video not available.
On a deer the shoulder is the scapula. Some I went through the flat part of the scapula. Others I shattered the whole bone so it couldn't bear weight.
You guys are some of the most negative and disheartening group of hunters I've ever come in contact with.
^^^^^^^^ You gotta be tough to hang here. It’s hand-to-hand, man-to-man ! ;-)
So its not if you're a hunter or not but if you're a big bad talker.
Kid spends 10 minutes on the forum and has over half the crowd pegged already. That’s amazing.
When I was a kid, I listened to the guys with the grey hairs and learned from their experience and mistakes.
Skook but you weren’t trying to get YouTube fame.
Couldn’t find it. Must have been below average
I didn't post this to get views,or YouTube fame because if I was looking for fame it wouldn't be in a YouTube video on that topic,I posted it because I was hoping for some feedback from your experience so that I can learn from your mistakes,but I learned something a bit different,the reason my generation sits in front of the blue screen all day playing video games instead of getting outdoors and or hunting is because its a hell of a lot easier to play video games then hunt and get criticized by older more experienced hunters that I was trying to learn from. P.s I do appreciate and respect older and wiser hunters and am always willing to learn from em.
Sorry I couldn’t resist the irony for humour. In general this forum is super helpful to all new hunters looking for help. Not sure what the video said or how it came across
Don’t aim for the shoulder that’s my advice. Now the old hamblaster shot, you’ll need to dig up TBM. He knows everything
I will give you a participation trophy if thats what your looking for.. This can be rough crowd no matter who or how old you are. This is a learning experience. Dont give a rats ars what people think, be happy, bowhunt, and enjoy the moment.
Just spend some of that screen time with a video editor and cut it down to something manageable.
I’m all for un-scripted, but you need to know where you’re going and get there by means other than stream of consciousness.
A Preacher gave a 45 minute sermon. Somebody asked him why on EARTH he had written a 45 minute sermon??
“Because I didn't have enough TIME to write a 20 minute sermon.”
GF I totally agree with you on that, and I know that as a rule of thumb but like you said it pretty dam hard to do. but I gota start somewhere and learn from my mistakes along the way. Thanks for the Input see now that's the stuff I like if I'm doing something Wrong instead of just telling me I'm wrong tell me how to fix it,like that a lot??
I found it interesting to watch and listen to coming from a youngster. The commentary was a bit much at times as the young man was probably baptized under the Outdoor Channel and the like. Nonetheless, a good crack at it, keep your chin up, and just be real in your next YouTube. Look forward to it.
AGO, don’t let the negativity from a few morons discourage you. Shoulder shots, IMO, are 50/50 at best. Let the deer step forward and aim for the heart or lungs. The Bowsite is a great place. I’ve been around since the beginning. Just ignore people acting like fools. Don’t even respond. They’re just not worth it.
AGO What are the details on your set up. Looks like you got plenty of penetration. We all know the shoulder should be avoided. But it’s nice to know that if your a mere Mortal and do pull the occasional shot. That your set up will go through your quarry’s shoulder blade. It’s more about straight arrow flight, arrow weight and broadhead construction. Then, don’t fear the shoulder. But a sideways flying lightweight arrow setup is going to have issues. “Same as it’s always been”
I shoot 400 spine Easton axis 9.8 grain per inch.with a 50 grain insert and 125 grain g5 striker. And like 58 pounds draw weight on my bow,did the job I was asking it to do.
I used your same arrow for years AGO, minus the insert and only a 100 grain Striker, Wasp, Muzzy, ad infinitum, but I never hit the shoulder blade so I don’t know how my arrow would have performed. Not to say every shot was perfect, there was some luck and misses scattered among the deer and antelope I shot. All I can say is that it handled ribs fine. I wouldn’t purposely build an arrow to penetrate the scapula, because I wouldn’t purposely target that area. I’ve also passed up many opportunities because it didn’t represent my ideal shot. Good luck with your vids.
Good to see young guys trying their best. None of us were likely “ at our peak” when we were AGO’s age. Think of all (hopefully) you’ve learned since you were his age.
AGO, I will offer this advice, your shaft is under spine’d and that’s not a maybe. Switch up to a 340 Axis. And if you’re real serious, buy the collars from Bill V. You’ll have as close to an indestructible arrow as you can get.
Ambush thanks for the advice I will do that with my arrow set up next year.
When younger and with good shoulders I used to shoot 75-90#s. I almost always shot a cut on contact broadhead. Shot 2413's for years with 100 grain head. I shoulder shot most everything and had excellent results. Today I shoot 55#s after 1 total shoulder replacement and 5 or 6 surgeries on my so called good shoulder. I shoot a 510 grain arrow with a scary sharp 175 grain 3 blade VPA broadhead. Actually been shooting that head for 12 years or so. I killed two bucks this year, both 3.5 and big bodied deer. I shot both through the shoulder above the leg bone but broke leg on off side on one and the other missed leg bone on off side and passed clean through. I did not hold there on either buck but that is where I hit. I was surprised at the penetration from my set-up. My point is that I believe a perfeectly tuned arrow and a scary sharp broadhead will get the job done even on shoulder shots as long as it is close and again perfectly tuned set up. I will try and post a pic from my phone. Shawn
I agree with Ambush. Need to increase spine. You will see even better results.
Too bad the video is removed now, so I don't know what was said. But here's the deal, using the term 'shoulder hit', is just as vague as saying 'vital hit'. The shoulder consists of many parts, just like the vitals, so it all depends on what was hit, the angle and the penetration. Over the years you'll experience oddities, where after shooting a perfectly broadside deer and you think you made the perfect shot, then go to blood trail it later and it goes a lot further than you think and you have a chance to see the entry and exit and wonder, how did it do that? I never celebrate a successful hunt until I see the animal go down or recover it.
Also, the Bowsite is full of many individuals who've been around a while; and although it gets a lot of traffic, the majority of the posters tend to be the more vocal ones, bad, good and indifferent. You need a pretty thick skin to stick around and be an active contributor, but there is a lot of great information, which tends to be more about hunting then the techy side of archery. You'll also find, this is one of the only public forums that doesn't use a third party app that gets cluttered with the extra stuff and allow people to create a profile that keeps track of life on the site and their post count.
AGO, if you decide to do another test, consider leaving the leg on the ribs.
And when you’re done throw them on the bbq :)
I’m waiting on the droopy ear comment. Lol. Nice buck AGO, you’re blessed to be in a great hunting area. It looks like the set up have works well for you
Yes I am very happy with my set up,but no I will not be doing another test I decided doing things and expiring things in the field is much accurate.
I'm thinking your arrow weight is around 460 grains. Is that true? There is no video for me to view.
^^^. The “Get off my lawn” guys talked him into taking it down.
No nobody talked me into taking it down I took it down because Obviously I don't have enough of experience in the hunting world to be giving my opinion,and I understand why some folks didn't like it.i kinda came across like a know it all teenager(even though I didn't want to)and it pissed the older more experienced hunters off.wich I can't blame them I would have been as well so... lesson learned.
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I think it’s great that you are digging into the details. And learning. Keep at it.
Here is my set up in Action in the field
I have a good book that I could loan you that you might enjoy if your building your own arrows. PM me your address and I will send it to you. Nice shot on that doe and a good passthrough just what you want.
Great buck AGO. Ignore the naysayers.
Editing down to whats truly worth keeping IS damned hard to do; that’s why few people succeed as “youtubers”, and many of those who do succeed burn out because it takes them 70-80 hours/week to produce enough content to keep a following.
No surprise there; if you want to be a big hit, you’ve got to have some talent, you’ve got to work your tail off, and In order to achieve your 15 minutes of fame, you usually have to get very lucky.
It’s no different than when all of us old farts here were teenagers who wanted to make it big in professional sports or rock ‘n’ roll. Millions tried; you’ve heard of maybe a dozen of them.
Pick your role models carefully, be careful who you emulate. Most TV/YouTube hunter “personalities” come as know it all’s. One day you will realize most those guys are doing it for two reasons to stoke their ego and to pimp which ever products they can get paid the most for. If you enjoy filming your hunts awesome but don’t do because attempt to impress others.
I gotta ask, how did you zoom in on the shot at the doe, or was that an edit? Also, that was a pretty good video and great choice of music and also not having it play while deer are in the picture. That's one of my big pet peeves, especially the ones that only stop it just before the shot.
A friend guided archery blacktail hunts for multiple decades and never had a hunter shoot through the onside scapula. He did have some that shot through the offside however. There are physical dynamics at play that were referenced above that cause a scapula mounted to a anchored surface to act very differently that one in a live deer.
I have seen shoulder hits that were taken from ground level,. no recovery, but was amazed at the blood that comes out .....I tracked that hit this year, with. a dog over 500 yards, only to watch the buck run up a hill, into property, we were denied to go in.
I didn't get to watch your first shoulder shot video, but I did watch your doe kill video. It was actually very entertaining, and it was filmed, narrated, and edited better than most of the crap we see out there. The fact that you did it solo makes it even more impressive.
I'd say you have a future in the hunting video industry, if that's what you want to do. My only advice is to keep it real. Let your true personality show, and not a fake "on-camera" personality. Be humble, grateful, and sincere. There's nothing wrong with showing your excitement, but try to avoid cliches like "I smoked her" or "center-punched her". Show respect for the animal whose life you've just taken. The Meateater, Steven Rinella, is a good example of a guy who gets it, IMO.
I like that Iowa shots fired video. I have never heard of anyone sneaking around eating grass and brush to look like a 4 legged herbivore. Now that I think about it I think a guy from Alabama may have used that as a tactic. I can’t wait to try that in the woods.
I agree Grey Ghost, it was better than some of the Dbags on TV.
I actually can’t stand to watch 99% of deer hunts or turkey hunts on TV I don’t like incessant whispering either feeling the need to fill every second.