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My 2020 deer story.
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Bigpizzaman 06-Dec-20
Bigpizzaman 06-Dec-20
Bigpizzaman 06-Dec-20
Julius Koenig 06-Dec-20
Lee 06-Dec-20
Paul Cousineau 06-Dec-20
standswittaknife 06-Dec-20
Olink 06-Dec-20
Treeline 06-Dec-20
JSW 06-Dec-20
lewis 06-Dec-20
Scoot 06-Dec-20
t-roy 06-Dec-20
Grey Ghost 06-Dec-20
Lee 06-Dec-20
Bowaddict 06-Dec-20
Dale06 06-Dec-20
drycreek 06-Dec-20
Hawkeye 06-Dec-20
Bowaddict 06-Dec-20
ryanrc 06-Dec-20
JL 06-Dec-20
T Mac 06-Dec-20
Heat 06-Dec-20
Bowaddict 06-Dec-20
Bigpizzaman 06-Dec-20
Screwball 06-Dec-20
Bake 06-Dec-20
Bowaddict 06-Dec-20
Bigpizzaman 06-Dec-20
Charlie Rehor 06-Dec-20
Huntcell 06-Dec-20
Dennis Razza 06-Dec-20
EmbryOklahoma 06-Dec-20
Treeline 06-Dec-20
Inshart 06-Dec-20
Kevin Dill 06-Dec-20
Bowboy 06-Dec-20
Willieboat 06-Dec-20
bigswivle 07-Dec-20
Pat Lefemine 07-Dec-20
SBH 07-Dec-20
walking buffalo 07-Dec-20
elkmtngear 07-Dec-20
tobywon 07-Dec-20
IdyllwildArcher 07-Dec-20
Nick Muche 07-Dec-20
SIP 07-Dec-20
Knife2sharp 07-Dec-20
Treeline 07-Dec-20
carcus 08-Dec-20
paul@thefort 08-Dec-20
Treeline 08-Dec-20
PECO 08-Dec-20
tkjwonta 08-Dec-20
APauls 08-Dec-20
Bigpizzaman 08-Dec-20
Treeline 08-Dec-20
From: Bigpizzaman
06-Dec-20

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Been a while since I posted here, crazy year was supposed to be a fun year for hunting. 3 out of country trips canceled, eating tags in Utah and Colorado because of hurricanes, Covid and business commitments. I get a chance to hunt South Texas for whitetail, first morning in the blind a nice buck we’ve got tagged as a cull comes in. Buck finally presents a shot, I take it, feel good about everything from placement to his reaction and what we see on the arrow, complete pass-thru.

While giving him time a dry doe comes in, knowing I wouldn’t do much hunting this year I decide to take her as well. She busts me on the draw, I hold for over a minute, she’s not going to look away. 18 yards, full frontal I take the shot. I see the arrow sink deep, hear the load thud and she runs out of the area like her ass is in fire. 2 deer in less than a 2 hour sit, well that’s a great hunt in anyone’s book.

Waiting another hour just to be sure, I get out of the blind when friends come to help track/drag. We find the first arrow, as I said covered with good blood and the slick trick crewed up a bit, as you’d expect when going through bone. Not much blood, only drops, I figured we’d hit a good blood trail in short order. Never did, both deer unfortunately left on the same trail. We searched for the better part of 3 hours, nothing.

Calling back-up in of the 4 legged variety is not something anyone wants but necessary at times. The dogs find the doe in short order, seems she was faster than my arrow, ducked before it arrived! I hit her between the shoulders, I was in a grind blind!

From: Bigpizzaman
06-Dec-20

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We never found my buck, I took another cull buck and left with my coolers full. I was beating myself up for the entire ride home, poor shot placement but figured the buck was dead and the guys would call me anyway when they found him. Call never came.

The friend I took down returned 8 days later, while checking the trail cameras, I get this.

From: Bigpizzaman
06-Dec-20

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Buck was almost completely broadside, here’s the opposite side picture.

I’m hoping to get back down there and get a second chance, I really want to see how this Buck is still walking!

06-Dec-20
That’s amazing that deer lived. Glad you had a great hunt, but I’m perplexed that deer didn’t die!

From: Lee
06-Dec-20
That is crazy!

06-Dec-20
That’s nuts.

06-Dec-20
Holy sh!t...

From: Olink
06-Dec-20
I'm just as amazed that that is marked as a cull buck. Holy crap!

From: Treeline
06-Dec-20
That does not seem real!

From: JSW
06-Dec-20
That's simply unbelievable. I've never seen an animal survive a hit like that.

From: lewis
06-Dec-20
Hard to believe and if not for the picture probably wouldn’t thanks for sharing Lewis

From: Scoot
06-Dec-20
That's crazy! Just curious- what broadhead? Not that the broadhead, or you, or anything else can be blamed on that complete anomaly.

From: t-roy
06-Dec-20
Same reaction as others on here. Extremely hard to believe that buck is till alive!

Good to see you back on here, Tim!

From: Grey Ghost
06-Dec-20
Looks like a straight up shoulder bone hit to me, or maybe just slightly behind it.

Those pics would be good ones to save for the next "V vs. Crease" shot placement thread. I've never been a fan of aiming at the "V". I think that shot would have been lethal 2" further back in the crease.

Matt

From: Lee
06-Dec-20
I killed a doe a few years back that when I was butchering her and was filleting the meat off the shoulders I found crinkled up fletching against the flat part of the blade right against the ridge. Arrow had obviously gone through the blade and stripped the fletching off the arrow. I pulled the other shoulder out of the ice and you could see the healed broadhead shape in that shoulder as well! No external sign of a wound and the fletching was completely healed over the top. Had to have been the previous year or even earlier. To this day I don’t know how she survived the hit. This was a South Georgia doe so probably 90 pounds on the hoof. These pictures reminded me of that doe! They can be amazingly tough.

Lee

From: Bowaddict
06-Dec-20
Grey ghost....I'm with you on that!!!

From: Dale06
06-Dec-20
That’s a dead dear in 99% of the cases. Hard to believe.

From: drycreek
06-Dec-20
Too high for heart and too far forward for lungs ? That’s the only thing I can think of. They can be damn tough to kill on occasion.

From: Hawkeye
06-Dec-20
Wow!!

From: Bowaddict
06-Dec-20
Extremely lucky deer! Think it probably clipped front of lung but not enough damage done. In the crease, dead before you get out of blind!

From: ryanrc
06-Dec-20
Nice cull buck. Let's see the one you ended up killing. Also, tough beat on that deer. Surprised it didn't die.

From: JL
06-Dec-20
I never used Slick Tricks...they seem a little on the fragile side. At least the ones I have looked at.

It is a surprise that buck didn't die at some point. Bummer ya didn't get it.

That said....I hit one just like that and it didn't leave much of a blood trail. It was found a week or so later inside some blow downs. That was when I was using Montec G5's. That deer and another high hit, G5 deer was the reason I went to Rage's. My 2c's.

From: T Mac
06-Dec-20
BPM great to see your post and insane that deer is still alive!

From: Heat
06-Dec-20
Thanks for sharing Tim, welcome back. Hope you get to finish what you started next year. Good Luck!

From: Bowaddict
06-Dec-20
Slick tricks look fragile, so you go to rage?! Been using standard tricks for years, toughest head I've used! That result wasn't because of the head.

From: Bigpizzaman
06-Dec-20
The reason I don’t post here much more! ^^^

From: Screwball
06-Dec-20
Thanks for posting BPman, hard to believe you didn't kill him. Screw idiots like wacker.

From: Bake
06-Dec-20
Wow! I cannot Believe that deer survived. Good luck when you go back down after him!

From: Bowaddict
06-Dec-20
Didn't take long for him to pull those posts! Don't think he ever said he was aiming there. Just that he was happy with placement! If I saw that hit, it would be more forward than I wanted it to be but I'd be thinking"dead deer"!

From: Bigpizzaman
06-Dec-20
Yep shot definitely wasn’t “perfect” or I’d be doing the hero pose. Just putting out info to hopefully help fellow bowhunters. No one has mentioned the doe, that shot equally blew my mind as I’ve killed several dozen animals with frontal shots as well.

06-Dec-20
It was darn close to perfect. Thanks for posting.

From: Huntcell
06-Dec-20
Hmmm! The shoulder VOID.

Something else to consider.

From: Dennis Razza
06-Dec-20
Wow. That’s crazy.

06-Dec-20
We miss ya on here, Tim. That’s crazy that deer survived. By the way... before I finish my commuting to Houston, I need a pizza burger. ;)

From: Treeline
06-Dec-20
Both of those are crazy! Maybe you need a faster bow?

From: Inshart
06-Dec-20
I'm with Charlie --- looks damn near perfect!!!!!!!

From: Kevin Dill
06-Dec-20
Good shot. Bad luck. I’ve seen that before.

From: Bowboy
06-Dec-20
It's amazing that deer is still living. Animals are tough.

From: Willieboat
06-Dec-20
And you wonder why all the good guys have quit posting or left !

From: bigswivle
07-Dec-20
That’s crazy

From: Pat Lefemine
07-Dec-20
Tim, great to see you again my friend. Hope the Pizza business is doing well. Thank God you are down south, up North it's a nightmare on restaurants and small businesses.

I looked at that pic for five minutes and can't understand how that deer survived. A treestand angle would make more sense, but not a ground blind - dead broadside. I've seen freaky things like this before, the good news is the buck appears to be fine.

Sorry to hear about your season - it sucked for all of us. You still doing MMA stuff?

From: SBH
07-Dec-20
WOW. Thats insane. Hope you get back to get another chance at him. Sure does make a guy wonder on some other hits I've seen and animals lost. Game of inches. Thanks for the post/pics.

07-Dec-20
Which side is the entrance wound, the left?

Just a guess. If the leg was far forward at the shot, the arrow may have passed in front of or through the front of the ribcage. Even if that happened, amazing the arrow didn't cut the carotid arteries.

From: elkmtngear
07-Dec-20
Damn Tim, that is insane!

I guess anything is possible...

From: tobywon
07-Dec-20
Oh man, that is crazy indeed!! Also good to see you post Tim, I've always liked seeing your comments and feedback on threads here.

07-Dec-20
I would have never believed that a deer could survive that.

From: Nick Muche
07-Dec-20
That's unreal, Tim! How that deer is still alive is a miracle.

From: SIP
07-Dec-20
You would darn near think that shot placement would result in a dead deer fairly quick even if shooting the smallest of broadheads. Unbelievable

Thanks for sharing

From: Knife2sharp
07-Dec-20
I don't think it's too far forward for lungs, I hit a doe when I was in my younger years, just in front of the leg and I got lungs. But I don't think there's an area above the heart that either doesn't catch lung, or enough of it. I also hit a doe in the same area as the OP and I never found her. I figured she died somewhere, but this has me wondering if she could've lived, at least for several days or more.

Funny thing is, you do an internet search on deer vitals and look at images, the positioning and size is all over the place. Even the autopsy ones leave a bit to the imagination since they don't take gravity into consideration.

07-Dec-20
Those both look like they would have died very quickly! Have heard of deer surviving double lungs if they don't fully deflate, agree with those who mentioned how tough they can be at times. Glad you recovered the doe and that the buck is OK, and will no doubt be wiser and tougher to kill now.

From: Treeline
07-Dec-20

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Just got one from a buddy that is very similar. He shot this buck with a 165 grain bullet out of a 30-06.

Five days later got this picture on a game camera.

How in the world can either of these deer still be alive?

From: carcus
08-Dec-20
Crazy, I've had a few I didn't find after what I thought was a good shot, never found the animal, or birds or anything, one was a giant moose, a black bear and a deer or two. I remember even celebrating as the moose ran away with my arrow stuck in its chest!

From: paul@thefort
08-Dec-20
Tim, I wound have thought dead deer also but a good lesson in deer survival for sure.

Tavis, Maybe the bullet never expanded. Happen to me in South Dakota years back, shooting a 270, 130 gr bullet. Buck shot through the neck; little hole entrance and exit. A follow up shot brought him down later.

From: Treeline
08-Dec-20
Looking closer at my buddy’s deer, he looks to be dragging that leg. Wonder if the bullet blew up on the shoulder and didn’t penetrate to the vitals.

Tim’s buck just blows me away.

From: PECO
08-Dec-20
Crazy, I hope you get back down there and get him.

From: tkjwonta
08-Dec-20
Thanks for jumping back on and sharing with us Tim. That's unbelievable!

From: APauls
08-Dec-20
Sucks to lose the deer but the story is so cool Tim. Thanks for sharing!

Look at the ratio of positive and interested comments to garbage and you’ll realize there’s a lot of good here if you choose to focus on it. It sure is insane how some deer just keep plugging.

Some animals are anomalies. They could have smaller or larger organs. Some in weird situations somehow pull through. Buck I shot this year had a 1” thick shoulder blade. That’s an arrow killer!!! Only on one side.

I remember watching a documentary of Secretariat whom many consider the fastest race horse of all time and besides good structure genetics they found his heart to be like twice the size or way bigger than standard. Can’t remember exactly. But just like organs can be oversized they can also be under and suddenly there’s no vitals where we thought it should be.

I know my first elk was opposite. A cow that I cringed at the placement - high and back and she dropped in 40 - double lung. Who knew

From: Bigpizzaman
08-Dec-20
Thanks Guys! Hoping to return this week, I’ll post pics if I’m able to get another arrow in him. Crazy busy now, who buys a Restaurant in the middle of a Pandemic!

Pat, I’m still training a bit and looking forward to January 23rd, Dustin Poirier vs Conor McGregor, I might be in the corner for that one!

From: Treeline
08-Dec-20
Good luck Tim! Both in the restaurant business and with that buck!

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