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Yes or no making P&Y
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Contributors to this thread:
Teeton 10-Dec-20
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Teeton 10-Dec-20
Teeton 10-Dec-20
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From: Teeton
10-Dec-20

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I have and elk and a proghorn to get scored. Got thid deer on 11/14/20 its at the taxidermist right now. Think this guy will make the 125 minimum? If I'm getting two scored might as well get this one. Heres a few pictures.

From: t-roy
10-Dec-20
I’d guess he’s a bit shy of making it. Congrats on your buck, nonetheless!

From: Teeton
10-Dec-20

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Another one

From: Teeton
10-Dec-20

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From: deerhunter72
10-Dec-20
I think it’d be really close!

From: JohnMC
10-Dec-20
First picture I thought no way. By third picture I thought probably.

From: t-roy
10-Dec-20
First pic was deceiving. From the looks of the other pics, I’d say he would. The difference in hisG4’s will hurt his score the most, otherwise he’s pretty symmetrical.

From: Jaquomo
11-Dec-20
Very nice buck! I think the deductions might make him a little shy, but who cares?

From: ohiohunter
11-Dec-20
Good beam length. Is he 9 or 10? Can’t tell. Grab a tailors tape and measure, takes all of 10min. You don’t have to be super exact to get a ball park idea. If it’s a 10 I’m guessing gross in 30’s.. Nice buck

11-Dec-20
I think you have one of those "gross over, net under" bucks.

From: TrapperKayak
11-Dec-20
Gotta agree, not in the first pic, but 2 nd and 3rd, yeah. Borderline...

From: pav
11-Dec-20
Right side is a no brainer. But left side appears to dictate net score pretty much across the board. If I had to put money on it...my bet would be he comes up short. Nice buck regardless...congrats!

From: midwest
11-Dec-20
I think he will be very, very close. So hard to tell from photos. Congrats!

From: Bou'bound
11-Dec-20
Very nice buck. If he does not make it still send in the $35 contribution to the club. They do good work and can use the support.

From: WI Shedhead
11-Dec-20
I would take it with you when you go. He’ll be close!!

From: DRR324
11-Dec-20
If his left side matched the right, for sure. I'm with the "gross-yes, net-no" guys.

From: Bowboy
11-Dec-20
Like stated nice buck, but making book he'll be close.

From: Screwball
11-Dec-20
122 is my guess 4 point side will hurt net.

From: Brotsky
11-Dec-20
Only one way to know for sure. Call a local measured and regardless of whether he makes it or not he’s a great buck. Congrats!

From: Teeton
11-Dec-20
Tanks guys.. He is a 10. What i should of done was do a better job of and taken more pictures.

From: jstephens61
11-Dec-20
Who cares? He’s a fine buck to be proud of.

From: Kodiak
11-Dec-20
120"

From: SBH
11-Dec-20
I agree with the others on the pics. The first one looked a little shy but the other pics push him over in my opinion. I ballpark him at 126". Let us know when you find out. Congrats either way!

From: redquebec
11-Dec-20
First of all, GREAT DEER! Second, actual professional measurements done by a qualified person can yield some surprising results. Some deer score way higher/lower than first impression would have you believe. Get him measured and let us know! Congratulations on a fine deer!

From: darralld
11-Dec-20
Gonna be really close.

From: Kurt
11-Dec-20
The way I estimate score:

Look at weak side....his left antler has maybe 18” to 20” of point length, maybe 19” to 20” of beam length and maybe 14” to 15” of mass. Total is about 51” to 55” for the antler which looks weakest in all measurements to me.

Double that and you are at 102” to 110”. Add the inside spread of 16” and you get a 118” to 126” net P&Y buck. If honing in on a number I’d say 120 net.

From: paul@thefort
11-Dec-20

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For comparison, this Nebraska buck scored 126 3/8 official net by PY measurer
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For comparison, this Nebraska buck scored 126 3/8 official net by PY measurer
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paul@thefort's embedded Photo

11-Dec-20
131 gross 121.5 net :)

From: goyt
11-Dec-20
I think that he will make it. Congratulations!

From: RD
11-Dec-20
123 5/8 would be my guess, Nice buck, must make your book is what counts!

From: Medicinemann
11-Dec-20
No

From: air leak
11-Dec-20
Very nice buck, congratulations! Good shooting.

Is the score and making some book that important to you??

Will you be disappointed with this deer, if it's a couple of inches shy??

Maybe it's just me, but I couldn't care less what my bucks score..

From: Copperhead
11-Dec-20
Congratulations on a nice buck, regardless of the score. If your happy with it, it's all that matters.

From: APauls
11-Dec-20
Nice buck, but I don’t think he’ll net 125. Guessing on the weak side tine lengths are in the 4,5,6,3 inch range which won’t get you there without extraordinary mass measurements. Nice buck though, love the width! Of course width doesn’t hardly ever get a guy any noticeable inches, but it sure adds to the “presence” a buck gives off.

From: Habitat
11-Dec-20
print off score sheet from P&Y website,they are easy to measure

From: sticksender
11-Dec-20
Nice buck, congrats to you.

From: JSW
11-Dec-20
I think it will make it.

FYI, I just measured an elk for a guy who got a score form online and measured it himself. He came up with 376. The official score was 360. I have no idea why he was so far off but just looking at the instructions and doing it yourself without having "official training" doesn't always work out so well.

This buck will be very close above or below. Just let an official measurer do it right so you know for sure. Even if you measure it yourself and come up short, you could be wrong.

From: Scooby-doo
11-Dec-20
Mass will be the difference if he makes it but with deductions I think it will be borderline. I just killed a nice 9pt in Iowa, he has 3 tines over 10"s and grosses 133"s but he nets just 125-5/8ths. I think you should be thrilled with a great buck and not worry about net score or the book! Congrats!! Shawn

11-Dec-20
I think he makes it. Congrats.

From: Boreal
11-Dec-20
He's right there I think.

From: Sand man
11-Dec-20
Gonna be a little shy IMO but I’m sure pulling for ya!

Hard to tell without seeing the body size to get true estimates...

Those Texas monsters...takes incredible bone to make up for them greyhound bodies??

From: Grey Ghost
11-Dec-20
Umm...if the score is important to you, why don't you just put a tape to the antlers yourself? You should be able to get close enough to know whether it's worth having officially scored, or not.

Matt

From: Chief 419
11-Dec-20
I think he will gross over 125", just not sure if he'll make it net. The rack is fairly symmetrical so deductions shouldn't take too much off your gross score. Bring him by an official measurer after the 60 day drying period is up.

From: papadeerhtr
11-Dec-20
Yea he will make it, very nice buck regardless

From: SIP
11-Dec-20
Ummm......I dont think Ed is sleeping or not sleeping on whether it makes book or not. And he didnt send a preshot picture to ask if he should shoot it, so im bettin he was happy with it. Sure looks like it in the pic..... Just makin conversation. But everybody is oh so thankful for the contribution of some. Even when its the same kind of worthless contribution every time.

Great PA buck, Ed. Congrats

From: Ollie
11-Dec-20
About 120” IMO.

From: PK
11-Dec-20
no on the net

From: Rgiesey
12-Dec-20
I think he makes it. Can’t tell size of left antler. Get him measured as that fun also. Nice buck!

12-Dec-20
I am not good at scoring, but he’s a shooter in my book. Congrats!

From: Sand man
12-Dec-20
Did you end up putting a tape to him?

From: Jaquomo
12-Dec-20
The more important question is, "What was his name?" ;-)

From: Owl
12-Dec-20
This is my problem with record keeping. You killed a dandy buck. He's a heck of a specimen. You're obviously happy with it and, yet, it seems it may be forever asterisked in your mind by being a couple of inches too short.

12-Dec-20
I can't take the suspense anymore. Put a tape on him.

From: Jaquomo
12-Dec-20
Owl, you have a point, but unless we can go back 200,000 years and do a reset on human nature, keeping score of everything is what humans do (except liberals when they organize school sports...)

From: Scooby-doo
12-Dec-20
I agree with above, just tape him quick. You can use a piece of para-cord and a ruler and get darn close. I have had several officailly scored but I have never entered one in any "book". Its a great buck and I like to find out a deers score as it gives others an idea of how big a buck is, as pictures can be decieving. I say this cause I would not think Pauls buck above would score 126"s, I would of said 115-120"s tops but knowing Paul(from the site only) I am sure the score is correct. Shawn

From: Teeton
12-Dec-20
. Deer is at a taxidermist. I have to go get it, which will be a few days to a week or so. Sorry.

From: Owl
12-Dec-20
Jaquomo, Of course, you are correct but we have the ability to cognitively supersede basic impulse. I'm past excusing poor theory as just "human behavior."

From: Sand man
12-Dec-20
Some people like lottery scratch tickets and powerball. I like looking at a live deer and if successful harvesting it...see if I was remotely close to correct. This goes for body size/age as well at gross/net score. I enjoy venison as much as the next guy. However, If you shoot a P&Y (I would hope it would be for everyone) its a great accomplishment to be proud of.

Dream big. Aim small. Miss small.

From: Huntiam
14-Dec-20
Be close within a few inches either way I bet let us no

14-Dec-20
I'm guessing yes

From: Teeton
14-Dec-20
I going to try and get the rack tonight but it may take a day or so to score it' with work and the nor'eastner snow storm coming. TIME!!!! :)

From: ohiohunter
14-Dec-20
You could literally tape it at the taxidermist place. it’s not hard and does not take long.

From: Duke
15-Dec-20
Gross: 127

From: WNYTCIII
15-Dec-20
You should get an extra 5 points just for smiling in the picture. Nice buck!

From: Rut Nut
15-Dec-20
Get your priorities straight Ed...........................................we NEED to know the score! ;-)

From: deerhunter72
15-Dec-20
I put the tape to him, at least in my head. 128" gross, 124" net. So, like I and many others have said, really close. Great bow kill!

From: t-roy
15-Dec-20
As long as this is taking, I’m gonna revise my guess and say he’s gonna be just short of making it now, due to ground shrinkage and the additional drying time! ;-)

From: tobywon
15-Dec-20
t-roy, its getting colder out too and things seem to shrink in the cold, so I have heard :)

Teeton, I'm not a score person, but that's a great PA buck. Congrats!! Is it a WMU 3D PA buck if I may ask?

From: Ambush
15-Dec-20
I like to know what an animal scores as it adds context. If a picture is worth a thousand word, then a pic and the score is worth fifteen hundred.

And really, taking a pic of your animal and posting it on Bowsite, Facebook or your local pub's wall is no different than knowing the score for conversation. The purpose is the same; sharing with fellow hunters.

From: ROUGHCOUNTRY
15-Dec-20
Gross yes, net probably not...…...the right antler is there but the left antler is weaker and there is always a strong side and weak side. Great buck nonetheless, congrats!

A simple trick that an antler dealer taught me is to simply measure the weak side and double it......voila, net score after deductions. Sometimes the smallest measurements are not exclusively on the same side.

From: Pete-pec
15-Dec-20
How long does it take to add up 124 and 7/8ths inches? ;-)

From: sitO
15-Dec-20
The official Archery Talk score is 147"

From: BC173
15-Dec-20
As long as he made your “book”, that’s the only book that should matter. Congratulations on a fine buck, Ed.

From: petedrummond
15-Dec-20
Its a nine point g3 on right none on left total deduction cant possibly make it as a nine. Cut the g3 off maybe.

From: sticksender
15-Dec-20
It's a 5x5.....G-4's on both sides.

15-Dec-20
Pete, he has G3's on both sides. If he didn't have a G3 he'd only have 2 points on that antler.

From: ohiohunter
15-Dec-20
If it were a 9pt It’s not a total deduction bc it is a typical point. It’s added to the gross then subtracted for the net. Non-typical points are a total deduction on typical frames. Perhaps I am taking your words too literal, but that’s how it’s done if you didn’t know.

A 9pt will net the same as an identical 8pt (less the extra typ pt)... cutting anything would accomplish nothing relative to the net score.

From: Drnaln
16-Dec-20
^^^^ Very good explanation

From: Rock
18-Dec-20
In the pictures without the hunter he looks pretty good but going by the picture with the hunter as it gives some reference for size I believe it will be shy of the min score. I will say 114" as that is what Kelly would say!!!! :-)

From: Teeton
18-Dec-20
Was going to pickup my horns :) this passed Wednesday but with the big storm I didn't make it. So made arrangements to pick up my them up tomorrow. So hopefully have a score this weekend. Ed

From: Scooby-doo
19-Dec-20
That is why the scoring kind of sucks!! They grow it, they should get credit for it!! Its a very nice buck!! Shawn

From: Bou'bound
19-Dec-20
The deer get credit for it in nature. The hunters don’t in the ranking lists

From: Medicinemann
19-Dec-20
Ed, it hasn't been 60 days, so that will be a green score.....right?

From: drycreek
19-Dec-20
Good buck whether he makes it or not. Congrats !

From: Kodiak
19-Dec-20
The suspense is not killing me.

19-Dec-20
No. But, I’d shoot him everyday and be tickled pink.

From: APauls
19-Dec-20
Won’t be a green score by the time he’s done! Lol

From: Bou'bound
20-Dec-20
This is like the hunting world waiting for the final determination on Milo‘s buck. the answer just can’t come soon enough.

The coronavirus vaccine was invented in less time that’s taken to discern whether that deer is 122 or 128

From: DanaC
20-Dec-20
Re the OP, he looks big enough but maybe 'symmetry' will cost him the points to be P&Y. But heck, get him measured and then you will _know_ for certain.

From: greg simon
20-Dec-20
My guess: 129 6/8 gross 122 3/8 net. What do I win if I’m right?

Nice buck, congratulations !!!

From: Scooby-doo
20-Dec-20
Well? It literally takes 5 minutes to get close on a score! Shawn

From: APauls
20-Dec-20
I’ve spent less time to score a deer than I’ve spent checking this thread lol

From: T Mac
20-Dec-20
The suspense is killing me lol

From: Ambush
20-Dec-20
I often don't check my draws for weeks after the results are available.

That way you can still dream.

From: Shug
20-Dec-20
Congratulations ...After all of this.. are you gonna actually enter it if it scores 125”?

When it comes down to it... that’s what makes any buck weather it’s 125 or 195 a Pope and young deer not the actual score

From: Rut Nut
20-Dec-20
LMBO at Apaul’s last 2 responses! : )

I know Ed- he’s probably purposely messing with us! ;-)

From: Teeton
20-Dec-20
First, I had to go get it, so i hope you boys keept your panties on during this time. :)

Ok ,, it's scored.

First its still green. But here it is. Gloss 130 ?/¹? net 121 ?/¹?

Ed

From: Bou'bound
20-Dec-20
Great deer though. Well done.

From: Teeton
20-Dec-20
Ok won't let u put score in the way i tried to post it.

So 130 8/16 gross and 121 6/16 net. Ed

From: Jaquomo
20-Dec-20
Fine deer, and he makes "your" book, which is the most important thing!

From: deerhunter72
20-Dec-20
EmbryOklahoma nailed the score! Thanks for actually following through and ending the suspense. Congrats again in a fine buck.

20-Dec-20
Make sure you have it measured by the P&Y measurer when you have your other two animals measured. You never know for sure until it’s “officially” measured. Congrats.

From: Sand man
20-Dec-20
Bright side. When you’re out next season (assuming all of us have the ability to replay a hunt within our minds) you’ll know when the next one walks in as you should have that comparison burned into the memory banks.

He’s absolutely a great deer any hunter would be proud of!

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