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midwest 01-Jan-21
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midwest 01-Jan-21
midwest 01-Jan-21
trophyhill 01-Jan-21
Ucsdryder 01-Jan-21
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midwest 01-Jan-21
808bowhunter 01-Jan-21
wyobullshooter 01-Jan-21
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Jasper 01-Jan-21
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midwest 01-Jan-21
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Matt 01-Jan-21
krieger 01-Jan-21
Reggiezpop 01-Jan-21
Mike Ukrainetz 01-Jan-21
Pope125 01-Jan-21
Bowfreak 01-Jan-21
Matt 01-Jan-21
Matt 01-Jan-21
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Matt 01-Jan-21
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Dino 02-Jan-21
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Dino 02-Jan-21
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From: midwest
01-Jan-21

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Tension release that converts to a regular index trigger. Should be a winner.

From: Ermine
01-Jan-21
Looks nice

From: midwest
01-Jan-21

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From: midwest
01-Jan-21

01-Jan-21
Out of curiosity I went to the Scott website to look at prices for a release. I bought a 2nd lil bitty goose release back in 2010 to have a spare. $219 looks a little bit steep.

But the thing that really caught my eye was very similar to checking websites for ammo. Most of Scott’s releases were sold out or unavailable. Guess there’s been a run on releases too!

From: Ucsdryder
01-Jan-21
Every time Dudley takes some pre-existing item, tweaks it then claims “worlds best release!” Reminds me off elf. “Worlds best coffee!”

From: Ucsdryder
01-Jan-21

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From: midwest
01-Jan-21
What pre-existing item would that be?

From: 808bowhunter
01-Jan-21
Seems like this is a first of its kind. I love shooting a wrist strap for hunting but have tried a back tension to cure target panic. Don’t like switching back and forth because different feel on draw length and anchor. This looks like a perfect release to work on target panic and keep trigger consistent. But the price is steep just like all carter releases

01-Jan-21
This is definitely not a "first of it's kind". I started using a Carter Backstrap back in 2008 and my son still shoots one. I found it odd that the idea behind the release, as well as the name, was the same as the old Carter that they discontinued a few years ago. Bowboy sent me the link to Nock On and it says that this new release is a collaboration between Nock On and Carter Enterprises. I'm sure this new one has some improvements, but the old one saved my bacon. As far as helping someone overcome TP, my son and I are perfect examples. It may be pricey, but when you consider the thousands of dollars we spend on archery equipment, this couple hundred dollars will be the best investment you can make if you have TP. Learning to shoot under complete control is priceless!

From: 808bowhunter
01-Jan-21
I wasn’t aware there was one before. Definitely something I would have tried already if I knew there was such a thing. Maybe I’m not sure what target panic is actually referring too but I am referring to punching the trigger instead of trusting the float of my pin

01-Jan-21
"“Target panic” is an excuse for a poorly tuned bow/ horrible form"

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner for the most ignorant post in the history of Bowsite.

"It’s mostly mental as well"

No s*!t Sherlock. So which is it in your infinite wisdom, a poorly tuned bow or "mostly mental"? A little hint...it's ALL mental. Unless you've experienced the depths of TP hell, you have no idea what it is, what causes it, how miserable it is, or what it takes to learn to control it.

01-Jan-21
"Target panic is an excuse! Iv never had you are correct."

But yet you've got all the answers on what causes it and how to overcome it. Gotta love the internet.

You can make sure your equipment is 110%. You can use all the latest and greatest bows and accessories. Sorry pal, but that doesn't guarantee anything. Granted, it's most definitely easier not to develop TP these days with all the instructional videos, etc out there. As long as you learn correct form and develop a correct, repeatable shooting sequence from the get-go, a person can enjoy a TP-free life. However, there are many of us that started shooting a bow long before such luxuries, so we developed TP before we even knew such a thing even existed. And yes, as hard as it is for you to believe, people still develop TP in this day and age. Fact is, it's the #1 reason people give up archery.

Sooo, for those that are afflicted with TP, a release of this type, coupled with a program that teaches you to develop a correct shooting sequence, can most definitely be the answer to your misery.

01-Jan-21
808bowhunter, you are correct. This type of release, coupled with a program that "reteaches" you a correct shooting sequence, will allow you to shoot without punching the trigger. And yes, that is one of the symptoms of TP. My main symptom was the ole dreaded drive-by shooting.

One of the main causes of TP is trying to do two things at once, which is something the conscious mind does not like. Your sole focus should be on aiming, not aiming and firing your release. That's the beauty of this type of release. You concentrate on the exact spot you want to hit and allow your pin to float around that spot. Nothing more. Then just start your back tension. The release will automatically fire when you reach the proper resistance without you "making " it fire. That's the goal...a surprise release. You want to "let" the release fire, not "make" the release fire.

From: pa10point
01-Jan-21
Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner for the most ignorant post in the history of Bowsite. x2 If people could tune their mind as easy as you can tune a bow there wouldn't be any such thing as target panic. high end bows and accessories guarantee nothing as far as not getting target panic is concerned.

From: Jasper
01-Jan-21
If it cures TP in a hunting situation it’s worth every penny and then some. I’m ordering one

From: skookumjt
01-Jan-21
I think you got thwacked in the head too many times. You clearly know nothing about shooting.

From: midwest
01-Jan-21
Robb, I thought it was funny they used that name, too. Even more curious regarding the name is this release is more closely related to the old Squeeze Me since you pull the trigger to release the safety whereas the old Back Strap you pulled the trigger to activate the safety.

I don't know if you missed it, but this release can be switched over to fire like a regular index trigger so it really is a first of its kind. It's like getting 2 releases for the price of one!

01-Jan-21
Nick, I didn’t read much of the description other than seeing if it mentioned Carter. You’re right about the Squeeze Me vs the Backstrap...same principle, different activation. That’s why I went with the Backstrap cuz I had to get away from my finger being on the the trigger when it fired. I’m sure since both John Dudley and Carter were involved in the development, it’s a winner!

From: Matt
01-Jan-21
To summarize: * Target panic is 100% an excuse for poor tuning and form. * And the part that isn't is 95% mental. * You can avoid target panic 100% if your equipment is 110%.

You just can't make this $#!+ up.

From: krieger
01-Jan-21
My calculator just melted....

From: Reggiezpop
01-Jan-21
Matt for the winnnnnnnnn!!!!!

01-Jan-21
An index finger release that can be a tension release set to a certain poundage or be used as a regular, on command, release is a huge game changer! This has never existed before has it? What release already does this as some claim?

And I have target panic, for me it’s simply increased tension or anxiety before the release. Has nothing to do with an untuned bow or horrible form. I can still consistently shoot a low 290’s Vegas style 300 round with my exact hunting bow but the anxiety keeps me from the high 290’s or 300. I used to miss the whole target about every 5-10 shots from a sudden electrical brain malfunction! Until you have it, which almost everyone does at some point you don’t know what you are talking about. It takes on so many forms and causes so many people to quit archery and even hunting altogether.

This release idea seems amazing!

From: Pope125
01-Jan-21
Thwached1992, In 46 years in Archery I would have to say some are your comments are way out of left field and probably some of the most Ridiculous Ive ever herd . So if I buy the best of everything , tune is 100% does that mean Im not missing the X or the animal I am shooting at ?

From: Bowfreak
01-Jan-21
It's actually a rebranded Squeeze me. The old Backstrap worked by depressing the trigger as you draw, letting off the trigger and then pulling. This new release is the squeeze me with a different casings and nock on graphics.

I like Did but he could rebrand cat whiskers and they would be the best cat whiskers yet with a 20% increase in cost.

Thwacked doesn't know his hind end from 3rd base.

From: Matt
01-Jan-21
Throw the shovel up out of the hole buddy.

From: Matt
01-Jan-21
You are like someone who hasn't had cancer denying it exists.....because you haven't had it. There are a whole bunch of proverbial patients and survivors on this site who know better.

And yet you continue....

From: bassmasterjk
01-Jan-21
I have one ordered, looking forward to shooting it. I have the original back strap, Squeeze me and Like Mike, like them all. The new Backstrap appears to be a like Mike and Squeeze me combined with a tension option

From: trkyslr
01-Jan-21
Another archerytalk retro green sheep escaped and found the lions den....

..... it’s always great when on the first day of the year you get possible quote of the year.

From: Starfire
01-Jan-21
Why would you only tune to 110%, Everyone knows you have to go to 111% to completely eliminate target panic.

From: Matt
01-Jan-21
"Why would you only tune to 110%, Everyone knows you have to go to 111% to completely eliminate target panic."

We usually reserve that tech tip for the Bowsite inner circle.

02-Jan-21
Bowfreak, could the squeeze me release be converted to a regular on command index finger release?

Isn’t that the main game changer part of this release. Shoot the same release on targets to beat target panic and for an on command hunting shot, or am I missing something?

From: Dino
02-Jan-21
I had the “squeeze me”. It could only be shot as a tension release. I found that release to be cumbersome and a little bit bulky, but the tension activation helped in my quest to beat horrible anxiety (TP). I used it to blank blind bale in my garage for 30 days. With regards to the new backstrap release, it seems like a great release, smartly engineered, but after spending the last 5 years with handheld releases and fighting terrible TP, I can’t imagine going back to a wrist strap with a index trigger activation.

02-Jan-21
Dino, after using the Carter Backstrap for two years, I was able to transition back to a “normal “ index finger release. That said, I fire my release by pulling through the shot, NOT by squeezing the trigger. That allows me to still achieve that all-important surprise release. It’s so ingrained now that I never have the uncontrollable urge to HAMMER the trigger like the old days, even when taking a high stress shot while hunting or in a tournament.

From: midwest
02-Jan-21
I watched the whole review from Dudley last night. In order to switch over to "on command" index release, you have to back the tension screw out. That means if you want to go back to a tension release, you have to adjust again. That would not be handy at all.

From: midwest
02-Jan-21

02-Jan-21
Midwest, is there another release that has the option to switch between tension activated or “on command”? I don’t think so? At least with this you can shoot targets panic free and then give a quick adjustment to “on command” and go hunt with the same release and whack a deer walking by. I guess maybe just a button to push to do the change instead of an Allen key would be better but this certainly seems like the best option so far?

From: midwest
02-Jan-21
Mike, I may be wrong but I'm guessing there's no adjustment for travel or pull when in command mode. That would make it worthless to me.

From: Trial153
02-Jan-21
seems well thought out. I can see this being a good tool for some archers

From: 808bowhunter
02-Jan-21
I like the concept and ordered one. I can practice most the year and shoot 3D with tension release and try to learn to trust the float then just back the screw out when getting close to hunts and still have the same exact feel and anchor on my release. I will post up how I like it after some time

From: Bowfreak
02-Jan-21
Mike,

I didn't have the squeeze me but had the old Backstrap. It could be adjusted to when you let of the safety the release went off. I assume the squeeze me could be adjusted improperly to where the release shot as soon as you depressed the trigger. I'm sure it wasn't designed to be shot that way but I bet it would function that way if you had the tension adjusted to where it was less than your holding weight.

From: X-Master
02-Jan-21
Hi My Name is Steve and I have/ had TP. I can tell you this: I have been shooting for over 50 years - the first 40 were with fingers. About 10 years ago decided to go to a release simply because there just was no competition in the fingers classes any longer. Everything was great for about 7-8 years - couldn't miss - this was just too easy I thought. Well about 2 years ago IT hit!! TP!! My scores dropped exponentially - my friends couldn't understand what had happened to me. I would be shooting lights out and then I would miss everything for no reason. Equipment tuning and quality had nothing to do with it what so ever. As with most of this game - It IS Totally Mental!! I was ready to quit shooting all together. Couldn't hit squat - It was so depressing. After trying different releases and bows and going through most all of the drills that did help somewhat (ie: blind bale, no sights , closed eyes etc.) Still I couldn't get it cured!! It would still show up at the most inopportune times. A friend suggested that I try a tension release. I had never heard of a true tension activated release. He suggested a Stan Element. I was skeptical due to the cost but decided to go for it as I knew that if this didn't work - I was out of archery- something that I love dearly. Well all I can tell you is that it saved my archery life. After taking a while to get used to the release and get it properly adjusted and developing a shot routine, I'm shooting even better than I was before TP and I'm never looking back. I will be getting one these "Back Straps" as I like a wrist release for hunting and the concept behind this release is novel. I wish that someone would have told me about tension releases when I started shooting a release so that I would have learned the proper way for release shooting should be done. As said above , it is actually two releases in one - a great concept. Thanks John Dudley!. It would have saved a whole lot of time , money and aggravation along the way. I would highly recommend that anyone just starting into archery or shooting a release that they spend the money and start out with a tension release to learn the proper way that the "surprise shot" is supposed to be and feel like. Also if you haven't had to deal with some form of TP, you are either brain dead or you haven't been shooting long enough!! Period - Full Stop!! It happens to all at some point - even the best! If you are a long time shooter, all these tension releases will show you exactly what you have been doing wrong and what you need to do to correct your form and technique to improve your shooting for the better. Take this for what it is worth - just my 2 cents but it works and is well worth the try.

From: Bowboy
02-Jan-21
Well said Steve! Your spot on with your post!

From: Dino
02-Jan-21
Agreed Steve! 100% Tension releases are archery shooting game changers! I too wish I would have discovered them years ago!

From: Jasper
02-Jan-21
Steve, As I began reading your post it was like I had written it except I shot fingers for 50 years before switching. You nailed it in every respect. I just ordered one

02-Jan-21
I’m just bummed out because I just got the silverback tension release and nock to it thumb release but this thing seems like the best only one release option for hunting and TP after target shooting!? Dam Dudley!! Haha

From: stringgunner
02-Jan-21
How does one know if they have target panic?

What are the signs?

From: OneBooner
02-Jan-21
Trufire makes a similar release called the thrufire. I just got one and believe it has helped me “Bigly”

From: Pope125
02-Jan-21
^ Wondering why do you care what someone wears , or how much someone spends on a dozen arrows ?? Says a lot about someone that worries about what other people do .

02-Jan-21
“Arrow wraps and AAE vanes are 20$ lol smh”

Pope, this clown is the same one that posted a couple weeks ago about wanting to try the same AAE vanes he now shakes his head at. He later posted he had 100% confidence in a lighter vane that he’d actually never shot. He just loves to yap for the sake of yapping. Eventually he’ll get bored and go away like most immature 13 year olds that think they’re cute and know more than they really do.

From: Pope125
02-Jan-21
^ 13 years old , explains everything. Still on his moms tit .

02-Jan-21
Thanks for the generous offer Thwacked , but I’ve somehow managed to make do without your “knowledge” up to this point. Maybe someday, if and when you grow up and quit being a jerk, people might actually listen to what you have to say.

From: Matt
02-Jan-21
Don't feed the trolls.

From: midwest
05-Jan-21
Dudley says there is no adjustment for trigger travel or pull weight when in index fire mode. He said the main use is tension mode. So this is really just a remake of the old Carter Squeeze Me although in a much smaller profile.

His 3rd season of School of Nock will be focused on overcoming target panic. May be helpful to many here.

Except Mr. 110%, of course.

From: midwest
05-Jan-21

From: TD
05-Jan-21
Guess like always I missed all the fun...... TBM back?

05-Jan-21
^^^^ Nope, TBM had a sense of humor, wasn't a complete jerk, and at least had a clue about a few things.

Nick, thanks for the reminder about Dudley’s Podcasts. Also, I think anyone who orders one of these releases will appreciate the downsized head. The heads of the original Backstrap and Squeeze Me were huge!.

From: Sivart
05-Jan-21
Just got mine in the mail today. Full disclaimer, mine came in trigger mode, contrary to what his video said. So don't pull the trigger (safety) without having your bow pointed at target...lol. Once I got it adjusted, I think i'm gonna like it. Never tried a back tension release before

From: Dino
05-Jan-21
Back tension=archery game changer and incredible accuracy!

05-Jan-21
Anything that helps anyone in archery, in anyway is a plus in my book.

From: BC
05-Jan-21
How many of you guys hunt with back tension release? Is it practicable to hunt with one with all the various shot scenarios we encounter? It's not always like standing at the range. I like the looks of this for practice and muscle memory but not sure about hunting. What do you think?

05-Jan-21
BC, I used the old Carter Backstrap release for two years after I put an arrow two feet over a bull’s back...at 18yds. It wasn’t a matter of being practical, it was a matter of necessity if I wanted to continue bowhunting. Two P&Y elk and a P&Y moose fell to that release. I can guarantee I wouldn’t have killed any of them had I not been able to execute an under control surprise release. Without using that Backstrap, along with two months of following Bernie Pellerite’s program outlined in his book “Idiot Proof Archery”, there’s no way I would have made any of those shots. Instead, I was able to float my pin over the exact spot I wanted to hit, pulled through my shot , and the surprise release took care of the rest. Developing a surprise release literally saved my bowhunting life.

Although I transitioned back to a “normal” index finger release, I don’t squeeze the trigger...I still pull through the shot. Unfortunately, my son developed a world-class case of TP as well. I had him start using a Backstrap and follow Bernie’s program. He still uses his Backstrap to this day and shoots great, including a 330 bull a couple years ago.

From: WapitiBob
05-Jan-21
I hunt with a hinge.

From: Beachtree
06-Jan-21
If you struggle with Target panic , pull through the shot and don't like the handheld type releases .this new release is excellent. Not much bigger than the like Mike which I use .

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