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"National Rifle Association files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy

CATHERINE THORBECKE Fri, January 15, 2021, 5:10 PM·2 min read

The National Rifle Association announced that it intends to restructure as a nonprofit based in Texas and has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protections.

"The move will enable long-term, sustainable growth and ensure the NRA's continued success as the nation's leading advocate for constitutional freedom -- free from the toxic political environment of New York," the gun advocacy group said in a statement Friday.

The NRA added that it has been incorporated in New York for approximately 150 years.

"This strategic plan represents a pathway to opportunity, growth and progress," NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre said in a statement. "Obviously, an important part of this plan is 'dumping New York.' The NRA is pursuing reincorporating in a state that values the contributions of the NRA, celebrates our law-abiding members, and will join us as a partner in upholding constitutional freedom."

LaPierre dubbed the decision Friday a "transformational moment in the history of the NRA." PHOTO: A general view shows the National Rifle Association headquarters, in Fairfax, Va., Aug. 6, 2020. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters, FILE) PHOTO: A general view shows the National Rifle Association headquarters, in Fairfax, Va., Aug. 6, 2020. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters, FILE)

The move comes after the NRA was sued by New York Attorney General Letitia James last August in a bid to dissolve the group.

James accused the NRA of an array of "illegal conduct," according to a press release at the time describing the suit, including "[the] diversion of millions of dollars away from the charitable mission of the organization for personal use by senior leadership, awarding contracts to the financial gain of close associates and family, and appearing to dole out lucrative no-show contracts to former employees in order to buy their silence and continued loyalty."

The NRA has filed a counter claim, calling the initial suit politically motivated.

MORE: Ex-NRA insider speaks out: Gun owners should be 'horrified' by what I saw

James on Friday responded to the bankruptcy news in a statement, saying, "The NRA's claimed financial status has finally met its moral status: bankrupt."

"While we review this filing, we will not allow the NRA to use this or any other tactic to evade accountability and my office's oversight," James added."

Yeah, and they've been 'crying wolf!' for a long time. Clinton was gonna take all my guns! I still have my guns. Obama was gonna take all my guns! I still have my guns. Now it's 'Biden is gonna take all your guns!' Guys, get your dam' fingers off the panic button.

US case law supports our rights to own and carry. Yes, the NRA has helped in these cases, BUT they need to stop 'crying wolf!' and the dam' sure need to stop engaging in partisan politics. I did NOT join a subsidiary of the GOP all those years ago, which is what they have become. Registered 'Independent' and proud.

The Democrat/Left, China Joe and Covid Cuomo HATE them. That right there tells me we need them!

We are going to need EVERY ally we can get for what's coming.

I’m not saying there isn’t a problem. And, so far no one has proved there is. By all means keep an eye on them. But, by no means hold an unrealistic scenario against any of them because a liberal charged them with such offenses.

Wake up people. The NRA may have some serious issues but they are all we have. With them our rights would be so restricted as to be almost non existent.

If Hillary had won, she would have made 2 appointments and by now they would have voted 6-3 that we never did have the right to own guns.

Clinton wanted to take our guns and he and the Dems did pass the semi auto ban, Obama wanted to take our guns but the power of the NRA stopped him. Biden will take our guns if we don't stop him. The only thing standing between us and single party socialism from now to eternity is an armed society. They can only go so far left as long as we have guns. There will be massive attacks on those rights. Count on it.

These accusations have been out for a while. Maybe they are true. But, if they were, there’d be no NRA at this point. While LaPierre might not be the best guy, it’s hard to suggest he hasn’t done a great job and, the NRA is flawed by these men.

Have you ever stopped for one second and thought that maybe the negative press is a direct attempt to remove potent and successful people from positions of authority To Weaken the Organization? Of course not. You are a liberal bent to convince us dumb folk we are in no danger of losing our right bear arms. That there is no need for the NRA. I don’t hold much reserve for a mind that works like that, in times like this. So, by all means, express your thoughts. But, you are talking to the wrong guy about that or the NRA’s problems. If they have them. And, if they do, it isn’t your business or anyone else’s who isn’t a member.

"National Rifle Association

On May 7, 2018, the National Rifle Association (NRA) announced that North would become the organization's next president within the following weeks.[59][60] He succeeded Pete Brownell, the incumbent. North is a board member in the NRA and appeared at NRA national conventions in 2007[61] and 2008.[62]

North began his term as president in September 2018.[63]

In April 2019, in the midst of a wide-ranging dispute involving the NRA's chief executive Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's advertising agency Ackerman McQueen, and the NRA's law firm Brewer Attorneys & Counselors,[64] North announced that he would not serve a second term as president,[65][66] ostensibly against his wishes.[67] On April 24, 2019, North asked LaPierre to resign.[64][68] On April 16, 2019, North and NRA first vice president Richard Childress wrote to the chairman of the NRA audit committee and the NRA's secretary and general counsel calling for an independent audit of the billing from the NRA's law firm, Brewer Attorneys & Counselors.[69][70][71] In an April 24, 2019 letter to the executive committee of the NRA board, North said that he was forming a committee to investigate alleged financial improprieties, allegations which he said threatened the NRA's non-profit status.[69] In an April 25, 2019 letter to the NRA board, LaPierre said that North was threatening to release damaging information about him.[66] On April 27, 2019, in a letter read on his behalf at the NRA's annual convention in Indianapolis, Indiana, North announced he would not serve a second term.[68] North's term ended on April 29, 2019, when he was replaced by Carolyn D. Meadows.[72] On May 3, 2019, Senators Ron Wyden of Oregon, Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, and Bob Menendez of New Jersey, members of the Senate Finance Committee, wrote to North, LaPierre, and the NRA's advertising agency Ackerman McQueen requesting copies of the letters to the NRA board by North and LaPierre, seeking documents related to the allegations, and directing records preservation.[73][74] "

Funny how you give the NRA a pass for the same behaviors you incessantly rail against the government on. Either clean up their act or let a new organization rise from the ashes. Not one more dime from me, Wayne must go.

On the other hand, you must also consider WHO's leveling these charges, none other than KKK man himself (that's K ovid K iller Kuomo) and his AG hit-woman. Cuomo HATES us and will do and stop at nothing to damage us in whatever way he can. He is scum.

We're at war, pick a side.

Every Tom, Dick & Harry gun hunter packin crossguns destroyed especially the early season public land bow hunting quality in my best areas in both Indiana & Illinois. What does “archery” deer hunting have to do with the 2nd Amendment???............ZERO! Absolutely ZERO.

Now that crossbows are legal for archery season, firearms (shotgun) tag sales are way down around here. Why? Because if you own a crossbow in a shotgun state, you’d have to be an idiot to even bother with a shorter, later season that doesn’t even start ‘til after peak rut. Let alone spending on a tag.

IOW, if you can hunt Archery with a crossbow..... you have NO REASON TO OWN A FIREARM.

How that squares with their “mission” is beyond me.

“ But, by no means hold an unrealistic scenario against any of them because a liberal charged them with such offenses.”

You’re calling Ollie North a liberal???

That fits right in with the NRA eliminating reasons to own a firearm, logic-wise.....

"Major NRA donor to challenge gun group's bankruptcy over alleged fraud

A major donor to the National Rifle Association is poised to challenge key aspects of the gun group’s bankruptcy filing, in an attempt to hold executives accountable for allegedly having defrauded their members of millions of dollars to support their own lavish lifestyles..."

"Drawing on details uncovered by the former NRA president Oliver North, Dell’Aquila alleged that “LaPierre had received hundreds of thousands of dollars in clothing, private jet travel and other benefits”.

The suit points to $243,644 spent on luxury travel to the Bahamas, Palm Beach and Italy and $274,695 dispensed at clothing stores in Beverly Hills.

The NRA tried to have the civil suit dismissed, arguing Dell’Aquila had no standing to bring the action. But the judge allowed the case to go ahead with respect to individual claims of fraud on the part of NRA leaders in their solicitation of donations.

In November, the Wall Street Journal reported that the NRA had admitted current and former executives received at least $1.4m in improper or excessive benefits. The disclosure was made in tax filings."

Remember, we have "hunters" here who voted for the opposition, they are the real problem, the worst kind of antihunters.

In Connecticut we lost our state advocates for archery related legislation. Bow hunters are without a voice in the state capitol. Anyone wanting to organize and pull together people caring about their sport will have to start from scratch. They've been gone at least eight years and nobody comes close to replacing them. Lots of talk and a dearth of action.

How do you suppose that will work on a national loss of organization? Start over? Really? Who, you?

If LaPierre is indeed being investigated for tax fraud as your pic above states, then we're talking criminal issues against him and not the NRA.

I have to wonder how much was diverted towards political contributions, without the knowledge and approval of either the Board of Directors or the membership at large. Costs a lot to be a 'player' in DC.

Aug. 6, 2020, 3:48 PM PDT By Erik Ortiz

"On Thursday, LaPierre's position as CEO and executive vice president of the most dominant gun lobby in the United States became more precarious after New York Attorney General Letitia James sued him and three other high-ranking current or former NRA executives, alleging that they have undercut the nonprofit organization's charitable mission by engaging in illegal financial conduct.

That includes diverting tens of millions of dollars for personal trips and expenditures, lucrative no-show contracts to buy people's silence and other improper spending, according to the lawsuit.

"The NRA was serving as a personal piggy bank for four individual defendants," James, a Democrat, said at a news conference.

LaPierre is named in the suit along with Wilson "Woody" Phillips, a former NRA treasurer and chief financial officer; Joshua Powell, a former chief of staff and executive director of general operations; and John Frazer, the corporate secretary and general counsel.

The suit says their actions contributed to the loss of more than $64 million in three years as they enriched themselves and overrode and evaded internal controls ... without regard to the NRA's best interests."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wayne-lapierre-allegedly-used-nra-personal-piggy-bank-n-y-n1236068

Anyone who believes that is a delusional fool. Cuomo and other like minded politicians will stop at NOTHING to destroy the NRA. Lies, deceit, whatever.

"C'mon man!"

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..." - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun." - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction." - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves." - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." - Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

"For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

And some of you guys are worried about the NRA supporting crossbows ten years ago? SMH..

Unbelievable.

We are America. Not any place else. And setting around peace’d out is neglect. Because the reality of what it takes to keep it America requires commitment and dedication. Or, we will loose it. One little piece at a time.

Dutch Oven, don’t click on the thread. Your own words said you knew what you’d find. I reckon you couldn’t pass up the bickering and arguing.

The person living in North Korea has exactly the same rights as you; what he does not have is a government constituted to protect his rights. (And yes, by this logic, many governments are illegitimate and could be destroyed without a backward glance. IF we're ready to give them a better one.)

But anyway, we're really down a rat hole now...

An elite class, taking more and more from the working class and working wealthy to fund their schemes. Each slid from being a world leader to an observer.

People may think that’s fine. But who is going to keep the wolves at bay. For the last 100 yrs it’s been the USA that has kept world peace and dictators and lunatic religions from killing innocent people.

So how do you think New Zealand, Greenland and Iceland would have cleaned out ISIS or protected them selves if they got to their shores.

Every empire has about 300 yrs. what’s different about the US, is while we were at the top we protected other nations. We don’t conquer them. Unfortunately the next in line appears to be China. Do you think New Zealand can protect themselves against China. And history has always shown that a band of weak countries submit and do not stand up for themselves or others. It takes a dominant military with good intentions. The left will gut the military first. Then gut the economy so we can take our place along former world leaders like the Romans, Spain, England, The Ottoman and France.

This is the beginning of that slid into oblivion

Pat, I understand at risk of being banned, but our situation today demands all of us find the courage to dialogue our love of this country in an attempt to prevent bloodshed or a possible Civil War.

The left might have taken advantage of situations, but let’s be honest, those situations were handed to them. The NRA has admitted to some improper use of funds, Trump rhetoric on Twitter and other media inflamed at times and at times it did little to help the cause and even damaged our ability to do so. Maybe it felt good to many, but our country was built on sacrifice. I don’t blame the left any more than I blame those on the right that helped prevent another 4 years of conservative judicial appointments, we would of had a much better chance to do so if one person could have sacrificed at times and remained quiet. That’s all it would have taken to secure our God given rights for another entire generation or more.

We have a leadership vacuum for certain on the right. The issues that brought trump to power are real and still exist. Not enough will coalesce around his leadership now, we must move forward, and on this National Holiday hopefully we are reminded that conservatives must find their own MLK who can unite not divide, that knows love will triumph over hate in the long run.

I understand I will be mocked for these words. Understand I am moved by my love of country to take that risk.

I am, as you, an imperfect human being. I am not running for any position of leadership though, I am not qualified in either credentials or behavior.

I believe on January 20th, what is prescribed in the Constitution will be carried out, hopefully. The truth is, I will use someone else's words here, a slim majority of Americans did not like or think enough of trump to re-elect him. Some of you cannot accept it. I don't like it, I accept it, and want to work on making sure 2022 and beyond go more in the conservative direction I support.

The fact that you chose to post only what you disagree with says a lot of what is in your heart as well. All of us must have the courage to look inward now, and that includes me.

Back on the NRA topic.......seen this pic floating around.

Geez Stix, how far have you buried your head in the sand?

That said, if an organization is massively corrupt, and they are brought down, is it the person who brought them down or the organization's fault? The root cause of the NRA is noble, good, and necessary.

I was talking with a liberal friend about this the other day. He agreed, their needs to be an organization which helps teach legislators about firearms, their use, and the 2A. My first sense when this occurred (bankruptcy) was that there needed to be some new organization in it's wake - which could fill those roles. But no, I think the NRA needs to rise from it's previous self into a better organization for the future.

Maybe they should spend less time traveling and more time reading sites like this.

Can’t argue with that.

I don’t know all the facts. If LaPierre has abused his power, then I’m all for calling him out and holding him accountable. In house. And, the last thing I’d ever fathom is cut ties with the organization that’s done more for all our freedoms, then any private or government entity in history.

But, I’m a simple guy. And, I’m not butthurt over crossbows. So, I reckon that’s why I see it that way. And I’m hoping all those that are butthurt, will rush to save our Freedoms with their bows drawn and ready.

I shake my head at these threads. I guess I’m too stupid to even get where the opposing side is coming from.

Such behavior takes us down the road to power corrupting, like we see too often today. And then we stand back and wonder how we got here.

The NRA can do the work we expect and we do not have to accept corruption for them to do so. It really is that simple, men make it more complex because it suites them.

"To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, especially with reference to the inalienable right of the individual American citizen guaranteed by such Constitution to acquire, possess, collect, exhibit, transport, carry, transfer ownership of, and enjoy the right to use arms."

Zim, I’m not sure where that’s coming from. But, I don’t think crossbows are hurting herds. If they are, please share applicable information. If you’ve got knowledge of a state wildlife agency taking that stance, I’d like to hear it. I’m not being a wise guy either. I’d like to know. Because I’m basing my stance on them not doing so.

So, I’ll say this, I don’t like them in the woods in any season except rifle. I don’t think they belong in bow season. I hate that they even are considered a bow of any sorts. And, I don’t like the idea of the NRA pushing for their use. However, I don’t look at it like you do. As a detriment to wildlife management. Because I’ve never seen proof of that. I look at it as a tool to get more people hunting. Which we need. And, I rationalize that was the NRA’s thinking. So, if they do hurt wildlife management, I’ll say I was wrong. If they haven’t yet, I can guarantee those that are pissed about it, are butthurt over the NRA doing it.

It’s ignorant to me to bail out on an organization that is the only thing keeping legislation at bay against the 2nd Amendment. By all means, Boycott contributions, right emails, letters, whatever you got to do so they hear you. By all means, join as a life member and VOTE for the candidate that promises to fix the problem. But, bail over crossbows? FWIW, the NRA solely devoted one of its two publications to Hunters and Hunting. That’s a 50% stake in goal objectives. That’s a pretty good piece of the pie for any organization of that size. Who knows though, maybe you are right. If you are, I’ll openly state so once you provide the info to say so.

The NRA has no business proclaiming themselves wildlife managers. Determining seasons, weapons, etc. It’s not their business. But they are more than willing to if it puts more coin in their pocket. Why don’t you just cut the crap and justify the mission statement as I requested? It’s a very simple request!

If people take up hunting with crossbows, enjoying seasons that run for MONTHS instead of days or (rarely) weeks, why the hell would they ever invest in equipment that provides a minimal increase in effective range and then buy an ADDITIONAL tag for a shorter season with less advantageous timing????

This may shock you guys, but once upon a time, people got interested in HUNTING first, and became “Gun Guys” as a result. And most people, being self-interested first, aren’t going to care about legislation affecting purchases they have no reason to make.

Meanwhile, Hunting is one of the few reasons that most non-hunters recognize as a “legitimate” reason for civilians to own firearms. No need to explain the flaws in their logic; it is what it is, and there are more of “them” than there are of “us”. And when things come to a Vote, that’s all that matters.

And with the push to allow crossbows in Archery seasons, all the “NRA” did was to remove one compelling reason to own a firearm.

Good luck explaining how that helps anything related to preserving the right to own one.

The crossgun is a “tool” alright.........a very effective “tool” to attain crappy deer management.

zim, That's displaying your hypocrisy. Mind reading the NRA, and if anyone disagrees with your assessment, they're fantasizing.

"The last time I checked, the ILDNR employs real live educated wildlife professionals to manage wildlife. I think they’re a little more qualified to manage the wildlife than greased politicians & special interest groups looking for coin from their members to short cut the system. "

The professionals you refer to are college graduates in the administrative state, whom the politicians have given the job of knowing more than they do on any particular topic. Instead of legislating with understanding, they fall back on "experts", who in reality may not be the best in their field, but have authority given them by government employment, and therein lies their loyalty. Sometimes their special interest is simply staying employed.

zim, Your trust of government is flawed.

I’ll never stop being amazed at the perspectives some people can generate based on emotions.

Do your thing Zim. I’ll do mine. Take care and God Bless men.

That's why the career politicians keep trying to change/limit it. Our founding fathers knew this and is the whole REASON for the 2A in the first place.

ISRA Thursday Bulletin - January 21, 2021

Executive Directors Message Richard Pearson

By now most of you know the NRA has filed Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Chapter 11 is protection from creditors, not complete bankruptcy. The NRA has also announced it will reincorporate in Texas. The NRA Board of Directors and Wayne LaPierre have been chastised and applauded for these moves. I am on the applauding side of these moves. It has been suggested many times that the NRA, which was founded and incorporated in New York State in 1871, move out of New York to a more friendly state. It’s too bad it had to happen this way but at least it is getting done.

In a peculiar way, New York State’s Attorney General vowed to destroy the NRA and subsequent lawsuits may have actually saved it. Every state has regulations but in places like New York, they are used to milk all the money possible out of businesses and protecting the public is secondary. New York is a snake pit of a place to do business, in any case, but when the state decides it does not like what you are doing or who and what you represent, it is unsurvivable.

It will take a while to relocate and restructure the NRA in Texas but in the end, the NRA and American gun owners will be better off. I know some will say it should have never happened. Well, it did; now let’s move on and do our part to help rebuild the NRA. For some reason, gun owners always want to form a circular firing squad and execute everyone, including themselves. Let’s not do that and save all that energy for our true enemies.

Now please..............Cut the crap and answer the question rather than avoiding it again & again. What does “archery” deer hunting have to do with the 2nd Amendment??? Where is this in the NRA's mission statement???

Bill, Your trust in the NRA is greatly flawed. I'm totally done with them unless they get crossguns out of the archery seasons...........for starters.

So instead of focusiong their energies on fighting for the 2A you want them TO focus on deer hunting, specifically archery seasons? As a Bowsiter once put it (Kathy) "Have you lost your ****ing mind?"

BTW, As much as I hated the NRA for lobbying for crossbows in PA in 2009, we've seen an increase in the length of our bow season, archery bear season, longer late season....

Carry on, Quixote.

The former NYC Mayor, Presidential Candidate and Billionaire, lil Mikey Bloomburg has dumped over $60,000,000 of his own money directly into trying to take away your guns.... your rights. "Nobody is coming for your guns....." You've got to be kidding, right? You seriously trying to sell that? They are coming for all your rights. And I hear "Awww, come on guys..... it's just few little things we're giving up.... small sacrifice for the Globalist Cause." Little wonder the left hackles up when words like Patriot and Freedom and America First are used...... used to be they were a good thing. Now those things just stand in their way....

NY isn't doing this because of LaPierre. These people could care less about ethics, morals, rules or law. They just elected a President caught red handed selling influence to Ukraine, China, Russia and others for millions and millions of dollars of personal gain.... and clearly have no problems with it. LePierre is a flyspeck in comparison to Biden's actions. They are attacking gun owners and the 2nd amendment. A direct attack on them because they stand in Leftist's way, their push of domination and control..... of everything and everyone. They aren't attacking the NRA because they are impotent and weak. They are attacking them because they have been a formidable force in protecting AMERICAN CITIZENS rights against these people. Flippin' Globalists and..... crossbows? huh? (facepalm...)

As Trump so accurately said, they aren't after me.... they are really after YOU. I'm just standing in their way.....

WRT the NRA..... that's an in house problem that can be cleared up. And will be cleared up. If LaPerre and gang have been ripping us off then hang em as a warning to those who replace them and move on. The legal move to get out of NY will be well worth it if it means being done with their evil and less of our money going to them. So we get busy and fix it. Seems some who are the most aggrieved and offended are the least active in effecting they change they demand. Must be somebody else's job.....If it needs to be fixed then lets get in and fix it.

All I know is we need people, an organization standing in the gap and fighting for our rights, because it's become blindingly clear there is an organized political/corporate/elitist group coming after them. And they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. America, Americans and their silly "rights" are just in their way.