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Discuss Bloodtrail Challenge 45
Whitetail Deer
Contributors to this thread:
Pat Lefemine 20-Jan-21
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12yards 20-Jan-21
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Will 20-Jan-21
Charlie Rehor 20-Jan-21
Deebz 20-Jan-21
Hackbow 20-Jan-21
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Buffalo1 20-Jan-21
LBshooter 20-Jan-21
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t-roy 20-Jan-21
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TrapperKayak 21-Jan-21
Tonybear61 21-Jan-21
Chief 419 21-Jan-21
Will 21-Jan-21
mulecreek 21-Jan-21
Brotsky 21-Jan-21
PECO 21-Jan-21
12yards 21-Jan-21
Supernaut 21-Jan-21
x-man 21-Jan-21
Rupe 21-Jan-21
BruceP 21-Jan-21
12yards 21-Jan-21
Deebz 21-Jan-21
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PECO 21-Jan-21
trublucolo 22-Jan-21
greenmountain 22-Jan-21
Ambush 22-Jan-21
Will 22-Jan-21
fishin coyote 22-Jan-21
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Bake 22-Jan-21
Hancock West 22-Jan-21
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greg simon 22-Jan-21
Ambush 22-Jan-21
txhunter58 22-Jan-21
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Phil Magistro 22-Jan-21
arlone 22-Jan-21
GF 22-Jan-21
PECO 23-Jan-21
tpcowfish 23-Jan-21
JusPassin 23-Jan-21
greg simon 23-Jan-21
Bou'bound 23-Jan-21
Guardian hunter 23-Jan-21
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drycreek 23-Jan-21
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LBshooter 23-Jan-21
Medicinemann 24-Jan-21
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Will 26-Jan-21
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TD 27-Jan-21
Kevin Speicher 27-Jan-21
Huntcell 27-Jan-21
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Will 27-Jan-21
Old Reb 27-Jan-21
BBB 27-Jan-21
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BBB 27-Jan-21
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hawg 27-Jan-21
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Smitty59 29-Jan-21
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From: Pat Lefemine
20-Jan-21

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Our 45th bloodtrail challenge will unite the country, or at least our visitors, or maybe it won't. Anyway, have fun and remember that it's just an online game.

Hit the link.

From: Bake
20-Jan-21
That was a slow pitch! Bring it on!

From: 12yards
20-Jan-21
Got that one right! But full disclosure, an arrow would have been sent earlier in my case.

From: Bowbender
20-Jan-21
Slow floater right over the plate.

From: drycreek
20-Jan-21
I said eeny, meeny, miney, moe, and got lucky..........

From: Will
20-Jan-21
I'm just here to see the guys who love single bevel COC's and 900grn arrows for white tails chime in on how they were all just fine if you try to blow through the shoulder.

:)

KIDDING!!!!

In all seriousness, these are done perfectly. I always think: "I'm going to nail this one, that was so easy" on question 1. That tends to fade ha ha ha!

20-Jan-21
Are you sure this isn’t the 46th???

From: Deebz
20-Jan-21
I'm batting 1000 on this one so far boys!

From: Hackbow
20-Jan-21
Funny Charlie. In a gut-punched, nauseous kinda way. ;o)

From: Grey Ghost
20-Jan-21
Will there be corn piles involved? If not, I'm out.

;-)

Matt

From: Buffalo1
20-Jan-21
That buck could have and would have been "smoked" from all 4 angles on TV hunting shows!!

From: LBshooter
20-Jan-21
Buffalo, you are correct but the one thing you left out is they would have "hit it a little far back". Lol have to review the footage and look for it the next day.

From: drycreek
20-Jan-21
^^^^And only show the head because the yotes got the rest.

From: t-roy
20-Jan-21
Pat.......I see you scored a “9” on the first question.......Seriously?????

Must have some insider information.

From: Bou'bound
21-Jan-21
That's not even a bait pile. Just a few kernals spread to help position the quarry for the best shot. So little would never actually effect deer movement or use of the area anyway.

From: TrapperKayak
21-Jan-21
I like the perpendicular angle on B better than the fading away angle on D. B actually presents more vital surface area at a better angle. The question was which one presents a better angle...IMO, B does.

From: Tonybear61
21-Jan-21
Here I thought it was another former president debate..;)

From: Chief 419
21-Jan-21
I selected “D”, but hit him in the foot. I’ll let everyone know how the tracking job goes.

From: Will
21-Jan-21
Chief - your tracking job is still going to be easier than what Pat put's us all through over the next several days!

From: mulecreek
21-Jan-21
You could have at least put a note on the first question "Don't overthink it"

From: Brotsky
21-Jan-21
These questions are not inciting an insurrection yet Pat, you need to step up the game!

From: PECO
21-Jan-21
Clue 2, I really didn't favor any of the choices, but given the options, I chose correctly. Still batting 100%

From: 12yards
21-Jan-21
It's classic. On these shot placement questions, am I the only one that always thinks I'd shoot between most of the dots?

From: Supernaut
21-Jan-21
So far so good. I know I'll start over thinking before too long, never fails.

From: x-man
21-Jan-21
Anyone who chose "A" should be taken out behind the wood-shed. The correct location is between B and D but, which one did Pat choose?....

From: Rupe
21-Jan-21
Love these challenges. I remember when back in the day they had a $10K cash prize. He he he he he

From: BruceP
21-Jan-21
Totally agree with x-man. Anyone choosing A should be banned from the site, publicly shamed, and then taken out behind the wood shed. Oh wait, that isn't a spirit of unity is it...

From: 12yards
21-Jan-21
The only reason to choose A would be if your goal was to make a truly challenging BTC.

From: Deebz
21-Jan-21
I'm batting 1000 on this one so far boys!

From: Rut Nut
21-Jan-21
Wow- guess we get 9 points for writing our name............ : )

From: EMB
21-Jan-21
Well, Pat did not tell us the order of the presentations. Although I picked D as the best shot opportunity, I probably would have shot earlier if the order was A to D. I've waited for the better shot only to end up with no shot at all. That happened 2 times this past season alone on 2 nice does. The shots presented were doable and most likely deadly, but I thought I could get one more step for that perfect shot only to have one abruptly trot back the way it came, and the other walked straight away from me and never presented another opportunity. I keep trying to learn to take the first reasonable shot opportunity presented. Apparently, I'm a slow learner.

From: PECO
21-Jan-21
A is ok if you are shooting a large mechanical.

From: trublucolo
22-Jan-21
I'm only in it for the 10K Rupe says Pat is offering up, I'm liking my chances if the challenge stops here......

22-Jan-21
I would like to ask everyone a question about the photos in question number 1. Which of those shots would you NOT have taken and why? I have my reasons.

From: Ambush
22-Jan-21
The correct answer to the first question is undoubtedly "A". Because you are shooting a 1,400 grain arrow tipped with a 500 grain two blade, single bevel, cut on contact head with "Asbey" hand etched into it. "For when things go bad" Drive it through that shoulder!!

For question 2 the obvious answer is "A". Because you're shooting a light, fast arrow tipped with HUGE mechanical. for when "things go bad", that will slice those guts into "innards salad". Back out and get your buck in the morning within a hundred yards.

And yes, you have both options, because you were ethical enough to buy the double shot crossbow that just came out.

From: Will
22-Jan-21
Bruce, bud, I didnt take you for one to like censorship? :) he he he

(easy folks, we know each other, he know's I'm joking around)

22-Jan-21
GRRR, So much for the perfect score

From: Will
22-Jan-21
#3 is oddly tricky. My brain said one thing... But my "What would Pat say was right" said something different. Glad I went with my brain...

From: x-man
22-Jan-21
Now we know why Pat gave partial credit for "A" on shot placement....

From: Bake
22-Jan-21
Dang, got me on the 3rd. I thought it looked "a little back" so I decided to be cautious. Damn buck probably fell over in sight :)

From: Hancock West
22-Jan-21
With the quartering away hard I thought the shot looked a touch back given the angle.

From: 12yards
22-Jan-21
Bake, I thought the same thing, except on the third time I watched it, I saw the entry was in line with the off leg, so I assumed Pat would say perfect hit.

From: Hancock West
22-Jan-21
Quartering hard you don't always aim for the off shoulder. When the deer is fully broadside with one leg in front of the other is perfect for an off shoulder placement. Not a bad shot though.

From: greg simon
22-Jan-21
Not a bad shot but no where near a perfect one. Decent chance it only got one lung. Unless I saw that deer fall no way would I go after him in 30 minutes. I'm giving myself 9 points on that question damn it!!!

From: Ambush
22-Jan-21
I'm surprised to not see the arrow sticking in the dirt. Where did it go?

From: txhunter58
22-Jan-21
I wouldn’t call that shot perfect, but enough that I would certainly follow slowly in 30 min.

Have given up trying to outguess these. Now I just give my answer. Sometimes I even get Pat’s answer!

From: txhunter58
22-Jan-21
I will wager this will have the question: how far did he go......

From: paul@thefort
22-Jan-21
the arrow did pass through and hit the dirt, just slow/stop down the action and you will see it.

22-Jan-21
I’ll follow slow in 30-45 minutes on that shot. Should have double lunged no problem

From: steve
22-Jan-21
3 for 3. Now you have to pay attention

22-Jan-21
That shot looked a little back to me as well. Still good, but 30mins? Not so sure I agree.

22-Jan-21
I looked at it normal speed without slowing or stopping the video and was fooled by the way the nock moved left on impact making it look like the hit was farther back than it was.

From: arlone
22-Jan-21
In the "farther back" than perfect camp, it gets the perfect score pressure done with anyway!

From: GF
22-Jan-21
But if you are one of those Luddites who does not film your hunts…

Based on what I saw, first pass, full speed… It did look like it was a bit too far back. So unless I saw/heard the buck go down, I figure it would only make sense to give it some time and collect myself before heading down to find my arrow and check for blood, etc.

What you do after that depends on what you see you when you get there.

And was it on this thread or another way somebody asked why those of us who would have passed up A,B & C would have done so…

In the first three pictures, the meat of the shoulder was in the way of where I would really want to hit. It’s not so much a question of penetration (even shooting a Stickbow), but one of blood trailing. You only have to follow up on one shot through the meat of the shoulder with zero blood on the ground to decide that you don’t want to do that again. In my case, I had the very good luck to see the buck keel over about 80 yards out; otherwise, I could’ve been looking a long time out there in the dark. I did not get an exit wound, but given where the Broadhead ended up getting lodged; it would not have made any difference if I had blown clean through into the dirt. The problem with hitting through the shoulder is that the holes simply don’t line up, and not a lot of blood seems to reach the ground.

And FWIW, how long I would wait to follow up on a shot would always have to include a consideration of how soon the sun was going down, snow on the ground, and anything else that could make a big difference in the ease of trailing....

From: PECO
23-Jan-21
Excellent point GF. I don't film my hunts. I therefore can't replay the video frame by frame after the shot. I can only go on what I saw once, in full speed, real time action. At the first play of that video, it looked too high and back.

From: tpcowfish
23-Jan-21
I put two hrs, looked back to me also, in real time

From: JusPassin
23-Jan-21
No question that the real time view looked high and back. And heck, I don't even know how to "slow it down". Definitely would have given it some time based on that.

From: greg simon
23-Jan-21
Hit looked high and back to me in slow motion too! I bet the arrow would smell like it too.

From: Bou'bound
23-Jan-21
After spending 4 1/2 hours breaking this down frame by frame on hi def tv screen in a slightly darkened room it validated pats answer was the right one.

23-Jan-21
Go Ohio. Good so far

From: BC
23-Jan-21
Shot looked good to me but even if high/back, angle of arrow travel was perfect. 30 min.

From: txhunter58
23-Jan-21
I “smell” a hard question coming next.

From: drycreek
23-Jan-21
^^^^^^^^ Yeah, I expect we’ll see a little deviousness before this is over. I always start out strong and end up on my ass so I’m used to it.........

From: Glunt@work
23-Jan-21
So far Pat has a perfect score. The number next my name isn't my score. I know my answers are right. That number is Pat's score as far as I'm concerned :^)

From: LBshooter
23-Jan-21
I trout it looked high and back but the downward angle took care of it. I thought maybe a liver but looking at the angle of the shot and the deer it's all good, at least to my eye.

From: Medicinemann
24-Jan-21
If you have ever hunted with Pat, you'd know that it takes him 30 minutes to undo all of the cameras, GoPros, lifelines, etc. Plus, his movements are restricted by 14 layers of Sitka gear, and he has to make sure that he has a minimum of 15 minutes of B roll film and a picture of his boots.

From: Trophy8
24-Jan-21
So far, basic textbook questions and answers...this can't last.

From: SIP
24-Jan-21
Got it wrong.... The blood spot on the upright bright tan weed either is an optical illusion or the blood drop somehow fell backwards to hit it. First incorrect answer, but If you aint first ur last. Imma failure.....

From: BC
24-Jan-21
Tripped up on the blood. Saw the splatter direction but the blood on left tricked me. Thought it was left to right direction. Should have known.

From: LINK
24-Jan-21
Missed the blood drop direction. I guess I’ve never looked at a couple drops to see the direction of travel, the overall direction of spot to spot tells me all I need to know.

From: tkjwonta
24-Jan-21
That upright tan weed almost tricked me too, but if you look close, that weed is broken off. So it appears the deer bled on it and then knocked it over as it traveled

From: SIP
24-Jan-21
Man, im so crushed. My heart was set on acing this thing. Damn you tan weed. Not a great start to 2021...poised to be the worst year ever....;^)

From: Ambush
24-Jan-21
I learned from last year's blood drop question and applied that correctly.

I learned last year that Pat is dyslexic.

From: drycreek
24-Jan-21
I done told y’all that you gotta think like Pat......

From: PECO
24-Jan-21
Blood got me too.

From: GF
24-Jan-21
I think you guys were overthinking this… it seemed kind of obvious, but maybe I’m just simple minded?

I have a feeling, though, that this is about to get a lot trickier… Because for a “perfect“ hit, that doesn’t seem like a lot of sign on the ground…

And I’m giving you guys props for noticing that that one weed was bent over in the direction of travel.

I was fixated on splatter and didn’t even look at that one....

From: yooper89
24-Jan-21
Droplets always splatter in the direction the animal is traveling

From: tundrajumper
24-Jan-21
the weed got me to.

From: Rupe
25-Jan-21
I usually get 100% on these. I was actually banned from participating because I won 28 in a row. Great to be back.

BTW if you use a tablet, swipe left 3 times and you will find the answer and a bonus question.

From: x-man
25-Jan-21
I have video of my oldest son licking his arrow. My brother jokingly told him to lick it to see if what kind of blood it was....

From: Will
25-Jan-21
This is going to well. I'm waiting for something like a random picture of the forest with a grid asking where the deer is - and all you can see is the tip of an ear 600 yards away or something ha!

It's funny, if I was on a blood trail and saw that splatter I'd have no doubt, but in these games, I always assume it's a trick.

From: greg simon
25-Jan-21
I would be more focused on scanning ahead looking for a deer that is still alive because I only hit one lung then followed up to soon!!!;))

From: yooper89
25-Jan-21
I think the craziest thing about these blood trail games is looking at the list of scores snd usernames I’ve never seen post on here in the 7 or so years I’ve been on the site.

From: Pat Lefemine
25-Jan-21
yooper89, only 3-4% of our visitors ever post anything at all. We had over 2 million unique visitors last year.

From: x-man
25-Jan-21
Finally found that white belly patch... Good photographers always center their subjects.

From: Will
25-Jan-21
I feel like Nostradamus since my last comment was waiting for one of these. But, overall, I'm finding this one oddly smooth. So I'm waiting for a hammer to drop on me Pat.

25-Jan-21
Can the pictures be enlarged on the most recent clue? It is about 2" x 3" on my screen.

From: PECO
25-Jan-21
Those "where is the deer" grid pictures always get me. I don't see it even after the answer is given. In real life I would see the whole deer, not just the tip of the ear or tip of an antler. That's how it always goes down for me anyhow.

From: drycreek
25-Jan-21
Pat, does that mean the 3/4% are the smart ones, or the dumbasses ? On second thought, don’t answer that......

From: txhunter58
25-Jan-21
White belly my a$$

I did see the antler though.

From: milnrick
25-Jan-21
Txhunter58... We wondered what white belly too.

Clearly see back, head and the right side of the antlers.

In my opinion, this has been very straight forward (or classic) challenge so far (probably just jinxed myself though).

From: Smitty59
25-Jan-21
Dude I always lose on these questions . My Question is there’s a spot on the side toward you on a piece of dried grass vertical. How did it get there if the deer was coming down from the picture? B was your choice. Also most of the blood is left and right in the photo.

From: TrapperKayak
25-Jan-21
The white belly mention was to throw you off.

From: yeager
25-Jan-21
And now for the last two questions: “How far did this deer go”, and “What organs were hit”.

From: JohnMC
25-Jan-21

JohnMC's embedded Photo
JohnMC's embedded Photo
For the visual impaired or those that carry a good flashlight.

25-Jan-21
Thank you John; That view is much larger.

From: trublucolo
25-Jan-21
I like the challenges for the discussion threads lol.

From: GF
25-Jan-21
What’s really funny to me, is that I saw the body of the deer early on and disregarded it because of the “white belly” head-fake. It wasn’t until later that I picked up on that antler. You’ll have to forgive me, but it took me a second to recognize anything that large as being antler…

Pat Doesn’t Hut where I do!

From: PECO
26-Jan-21
I see the antler in this bigger, brighter pictures of the grid. I went back to the challenge, can not see it in those dark pictures.

From: Ducksoup
26-Jan-21
How can anyone playing this game answering 6 questions have a 0 ?? !!

From: Pat Lefemine
26-Jan-21
Ducksoup, if they answer the first question wrong and don't come back, they will show a zero. We have thousands of people playing, not everyone answers multiple questions. Especially if they get butt-hurt on the first question.

From: TrapperKayak
26-Jan-21
I missed the first question because of personal preference...I still like my shot choice better and would take it over the 'correct' choice...I'd have a '54' otherwise, instead of 45... ;)

From: dm/wolfskin
26-Jan-21
Pat, you need to take better pictures.lol

26-Jan-21
I got but hurt on the last one. Was the right lung just clipped? Entrance looked a bit far back no? Haha. No hard feelings another awesome challenge Pat!

From: 12yards
26-Jan-21
Dang it!

From: Chief 419
26-Jan-21
I made the same mistake MA. The shot angle and entrance looks too far back to clip the right lung. I was “mostly” right :^)

From: Two Feathers
26-Jan-21
Remember, it's spatter and not splatter.

From: Bowbender
26-Jan-21
Would not have guessed the right lung was hit. Oh well...

From: GF
26-Jan-21
Maybe next time he could ruffle up the for a little bit to make it harder to figure out where exactly that arrow entered?

First rule of multiple choice test… Never change your first answer unless you can prove to yourself that you were wrong. I got clipped on this oneBecause I figured Pat was trying to put one over on us again…

From: Garbanzo
26-Jan-21
Agree with Bow Bender on Q7.. Also the entrance pic is difficult to tell where the exact entrance wound is. Getting only 3 pts for saying Stomach Liver and Left lung sucks as it is impossible to determine from the pics that the right lung got hit.

From: JB
26-Jan-21
I always suck at that question. Usually do really well until the vitals hit question. Dang.

From: TrapperKayak
26-Jan-21
Now I have a 54... next clue...?

From: Boatman71
26-Jan-21
Still perfect! One more to go haha

From: greg simon
26-Jan-21
Wait, I thought it was a "perfect hit". Smell the arrow and smell stomach and still follow up in 30 minutes? Can't argue with the results though!

26-Jan-21
GF I agree. Shoulda went with both. But I was assuming it was just left given the angle and the fact he was asking the question haha.

From: Ducksoup
26-Jan-21
How can anyone playing this game answering 6 questions have a 0 ?? !!

From: Will
26-Jan-21
Something is wrong. I'm rocking 100% at this point - which has never occurred on one of these. I always mess up on these multiple times. Miracles happen, I guess. This suggests I get a 0 tomorrow, but Ill take it. Been fun to this point.

26-Jan-21
The correct answer was one of the two plausible answers . I chose the other one.

From: Duke
26-Jan-21
Hard to believe that the right lung was hit, but Pat is also part ninja/part jedi with the innate ability to harness the power of the Force.

From: Brotsky
26-Jan-21
Question 7 is what I call a “SWAG”, scientific wild assed guess based solely upon entrance and exit pics. No way you can know 100% without looking inside the critter. My SWAG wasn’t 100% good lol!

From: drycreek
26-Jan-21
Along with a lot of you , I never figured the right lung to get hit at that angle, but.....I wasn’t there.

How can somebody get a zero after answering 6 of these ? Two ways, either a piss poor blood trailer or got a couple wrong right off the bat and quit playing. My money is on the latter.

From: Bowbender
26-Jan-21
Wonder how that have perfect scores, check this thread first?

From: dirtclod Az.
26-Jan-21
Brotsky, I went with SWAG and only scored 6pts. It could have been heart, but severed the arteries going to the heart should still count...right...ha! ha!

From: Pat Lefemine
26-Jan-21
It is hard to tell from the pic because what the animal does with his body at the time of the shot is far different than what it looks like when it's laid out neatly on the ground.

For what it's worth. That shot angle has always been my absolute favorite. Complete devastation and plenty of room for error.

Lots of you guys are doing well. That will likely end with tomorrow's question. ;-)

From: Bowbender
26-Jan-21
Agree Pat. I absolutely love that shot angle. Last two buck I shot were a bit forward from your entrance and low in the opposite side right at the leg. Blood literally poured out the exit.

From: t-roy
26-Jan-21
”Pat is part ninja/part Jedi with the innate ability to harness the power of the force.”

Duke........Obviously, you haven’t seen Pat’s catch and release turkey hunting video....

From: paul@thefort
26-Jan-21
#7 , I agree, hard to tell where, seeing the two blood areas, the so called entrance area. It looks like it could be a lower one or a higher one. I went with the higher one because of the ruffed up area along the hide, following the path of the arrow, and got 3 pts.

From: drycreek
26-Jan-21
Lots of you guys are doing well. That will likely end with tomorrow’s question. :-)

Thanks Pat, but my streak ended today ! :-(

From: Bowbender
26-Jan-21
"Thanks Pat, but my streak ended today ! :-("

Yup...

From: Ambush
26-Jan-21
Bowbender, it’s better to just make your guess before coming here. All the discussion will just make you second guess what was likely a good first guess.

From: BBB
26-Jan-21
if the choices for #7 were written exactly in the same manner as the answer was explained, I would have chosen the correct answer. "Nicking" does not equate to "hitting" in my humble opinion. You can't say the correct answer for a previous question eliminated the possibility of a "nick" and then include it as the correct answer for another question. Right? I'm right, right? Sure I am :>)

From: fastflight
26-Jan-21
I also didnt think the right lung would have been hit but, Pat is definitely correct in that entrance hole doesnt always tell the whole story.

From: 8point
26-Jan-21
Had to bob & weave on # 7 but the exit looked to high to have hit the heart.

From: wkochevar
26-Jan-21
The previous video angle, entrance and exit sure had me convinced the right lung was safe...no matter he died! it would have been helpful to know how far he went before he tipped over but I suppose that's coming tomorrow ;-)

From: steve
27-Jan-21
7 for 7 best ever !!!!!!

From: DRR324
27-Jan-21
%&$*$ , blew the perfect score, but not sure how a stomach, liver and left lung answer isnt a 6?? I'm also questioning how much the right lung was actually "hit", one blade slice?

From: dm/wolfskin
27-Jan-21
Got to quit trying to think what Pat is thinking.

From: GF
27-Jan-21
“ also questioning how much the right lung was actually ‘hit’, one blade slice?”

And probably dependent on a wide mechanical that happen to with blades parallel to the ground...

I think next time I’ll drop out once the “clues” start getting ridiculous...

From: Medicinemann
27-Jan-21
You know that the scores are too high, when some of the answers to the final question (how far did the deer run after the shot) vary by as little as 20 yards.....

From: Ambush
27-Jan-21
Goose egg on the final question ruined a perfect score! Sorry to the other BC'er for dragging our score down :(

Now was the correct answer for line of sight or actual path the deer took?

From: drycreek
27-Jan-21
My Daddy used to say his horse had four gaits, Fart, Start, Stumble, and Fall. I think that adequately describes my performance on this Bloodtrail Challenge !

From: Bowbender
27-Jan-21
I. Hate. Pat.

From: greg simon
27-Jan-21
Was the distance measured or Pat's steps? I'm just pointing out there might be a difference!!!

Thanks for putting this together Pat. Even though we give you hell about it, it's fun and (mostly) in good fun!!!

From: milnrick
27-Jan-21
Pat, well played! Totally whiffed on #8.

From: TD
27-Jan-21
There I go..... using my Man ruler again......

27-Jan-21
Last question blew my perfect score! Got a big fat zero.

From: Huntcell
27-Jan-21
clue 8 is a ringer.

From: chukarchump
27-Jan-21
Disappointed in the last question as it was just a guess for everyone with no specifics to answer from. The whole game had clues and direction to make proper determinations and the last was luck of the draw. Another animal hit exactly the same might go completely a different distance. It would be nice next time to finish the game from complete abilities without counting on luck to win. ( I post this with due respect and not flaming ) Thanks Pat, looking forward to the next one.

From: Will
27-Jan-21
AAAAGHHHHHHHHH. 7/8. Damn the last one! ha ha ha.

From: Old Reb
27-Jan-21
Goose egged #8. It was pure guess work on that question. Not knowing how much damage was done to the right lung I thought 100 yds was a legitimate guess.

From: BBB
27-Jan-21
You can't possibly answer #8 without knowing how old the deer was because deer travel an average of 32.3 miles per year, so if he was 5.6 yrs old he would have traveled 180.9 miles before he went down :>)

From: TrapperKayak
27-Jan-21
On q8, my first choice was the correctbone...arrgh, I over thought it based on a personal experience and changed my answer. NEVER change your answer on a multiple choice... Thanks Pat, that was fun!

From: BBB
27-Jan-21
So if the deer traveled in circles was that included in how far he traveled? The question was not how far from the stand was he when he died, right?

From: TrapperKayak
27-Jan-21
If a buck only averages 32.3 miles per year, he must have been shot a half hour from the hunters house as a button buck, with the travel recorded being the ride home. I'd bet most deer average 5 -10 miles a day in their home range of 1 -2 sq miles.

From: BC
27-Jan-21
Got #8, missed direction and organs hit. Not bad. Can we have another?

From: hawg
27-Jan-21
This was a good one that made sense to me as I went 8 for 8. The first 6 were softballs lobbed right down the middle. No. 7 was through process of elimination based on previous clues. No. 8 was based on the answer to No. 7 along with a very telling clue given in the presentation of No. 8.

Thanks Pat for giving us a little relief from the madness going on right now.

From: x-man
27-Jan-21
69, I waited longer than 30 minutes.

You guys need to pay more attention to Pat's live hunts. Most of the answers can be discerned from that.

From: Bou'bound
27-Jan-21
Most questions are fact based then you get the irrelevant how far did he run (will never be more than a guess) or can you see a body part ( aka where’s Waldo)

They have nothing to do with tracking knowledge.

From: senior 4
27-Jan-21
Well I took a doe one late Dec. day. The arrow nitrated completely through and landed in the snow on the other side. She was standing broadside when I released, took out both lungs yet she ran nearly one hundred and twenty five yards.

From: Eric Sprick
27-Jan-21
From the find the deer pic/question he went down in the woods. Looking at where stand is located in that pretty small patch I figured he didn't go far.

From: Brotsky
27-Jan-21
Ask Pat how far his turkey went . SOB.

From: t-roy
27-Jan-21
Brotsky......that would be pure speculation on Pat’s part. We’re not even sure that it has STOPPED running!

From: txhunter58
27-Jan-21
From the organs he had, I would’ve said Aprox 50 yards if there had been no choices. However, deer rarely travel round numbers, so I guessed the oddball of the group which was 80 ??

From: steve
27-Jan-21
So what do you think the next ? Is . How far did he go !!! I shot on like that 2 years ago and could range were he dropped ! Hope it’s one of pats answers .

From: MnM
27-Jan-21
Was thinking 50 then pressed 80 just because a bigger deer might have a little more gas in the tank

From: Shug
27-Jan-21
I hate the last 2 questions... personally I would have shot the black squirrel instead of that buck...

From: 8point
27-Jan-21
I went back and checked #7. The one lung hit threw me, I thought he could sprint further than 50 for sure.

From: JMM
27-Jan-21
Got luck on the last one! As always it’s a bit of fun, thanks Pat and nice buck! Jim

From: Slate
27-Jan-21

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I just picked the left lung

From: Medicinemann
27-Jan-21
Guys, I've seen Pat with a knife. He's dangerous. For all I know, he nicked the lung when he was gutting the deer.....and then states that it was a double lung shot. LOL

From: bowhunter24
28-Jan-21
Ok Paul, yard hopper blood trail!!!

From: steve
28-Jan-21
Perfect score!!! First time ever !!!!!

From: dm/wolfskin
28-Jan-21
Man I did poorly. My mind just wasn't in it. Must have been the corvid 19. Yes that it. The virus got me.lol

From: Deebz
28-Jan-21
Last one got me! Total coin flip really without more evidence...I would have liked to have been able to listen to the next 30 seconds from the video shot to see if there were any clues there...

From: 12yards
28-Jan-21
I should have known on the last one. I picked 80. But I once killed a buck by taking out the plumbing above the heart and he literally took about 4 bounds and was down and hardly moved once he was down.

From: Smitty59
28-Jan-21
Hey guys you asked why not very many people comment. Maybe because no one answered there questions?? See Smitty 59 ?

From: PK
28-Jan-21
i whiffed the last one, picked 80. heck i thought you could at least see 50! LOL

28-Jan-21
In all fairness I try not to give answers away in the discussion. I have killed deer with a "perfect " Hit and trailed them for a half mile . I thought how did this animal make out of sight. On the other hand I have had them fold at the shot with no explanation why they died quickly.

28-Jan-21
That last question..... Grrrrr.

Swing and a miss.

From: Sand man
28-Jan-21
Organs hit, didn’t see double lung but assumed something (artery’s) between the two. That deer was limited in how far he would go better than a broadside double lung shot.

From: Chief 419
28-Jan-21
I remember the turkey escape video. Pat should have poked it in the rump with the arrow to see if it was dead. It started running and flew off never to be seen again. It's only fair that next year's challenge is "blood trailing a turkey".

From: Deebz
29-Jan-21
Last one got me! Total coin flip really without more evidence...I would have liked to have been able to listen to the next 30 seconds from the video shot to see if there were any clues there...

From: Smitty59
29-Jan-21
Thanks Pat enjoy these they are a great teaching tool!!! Thanks again!

From: tbone82
29-Jan-21
Last Question got me, as it is a total crap shoot on how far it ran. I shot one that was a double lunged/Heart and it ran 75 Yards. That was the only one I missed but any who these challenges are very fun!!

From: tracker980
02-Feb-21
Yup, last question was merely a guess. Figured he went more than 50 on a one lunger. Was fun nonetheless. Great shot, great buck.

From: Fuzzy
23-Feb-21
O can imagine Pat thinking while making this one up: " let's REALLY mess with them and throw them a fat pitch, see who STILL finds something to argue and whine about". Seriuosly people if you can find anything to argue about on this one you'd rather argue than bow hunt. LOL

From: GDank777
27-Feb-21
The last question was not really fair (mainly because I missed it and it stopped me from getting a perfect score.)....I've had perfectly hit deer go 200 yards on adrenaline, literally dead on their feet.

From: Fuzzy
28-Feb-21
lol.... yeah they'll surprise you. When they mule kick like that a run over 50-60 yards is rare though, got to play the odds.

From: Medicinemann
28-Feb-21
Let's assume that top speed for a deer is at least 30 mph (and that is probably a lowball estimate).....I believe that works out to 44 ft/sec.....roughly 15 yards/second. It's rather silly to think that you can accurately determine whether a deer died in 3 seconds, 5 seconds, 7 seconds, or 10 seconds. All four choices fall within those time frames. Here's the rub.....Pat never mentioned whether the choices were in feet, yards, cubits, leagues, or miles. He just posted numbers, no units of measure......just saying.

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