Will we be able to cross into Canada?
Bears
Well, whats the opinion? Are they going to let us in or not?
At the rate vaccines are going, it will be summer before they are done. I would guess the border won’t be opened until that happens.
I am doubtful for the spring but I think we have a shot for the fall. I think that with biden saying he wants it open and a lot of the democratic governors saying they want their states to open back up, hopefully the worst is behind us. Time will tell.
Missed out on a couple of fishing trips to Canada last year. At the pace we are crawling along at with vaccinations, I don't see it happening this year either.
I agree...I don't see spring happening...Hopeful for late summer/fall.
With the rate vaccines are going we'd be lucky to get the border open in 2021 at all. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I missed an annual monster pike trip last May. Looks like we’re are headed for two in a row.
Northern Ontario Tourism Association sent us a memo.... told us to not expect the border to open until at least the end of July. Unfortunately... No Spring Bear!!!
If I had a trip to the bush in the works, my concern would be any fallout from closing the Keystone pipeline. I hope that doesn't force JT to prolong any border closures as a passive retribution towards Prez Biden. Just thinking out loud on that one.....hope I'm wrong on that line of thought.
Absolutely 100% yes we will be allowed to cross into Canada. The when is the question. What is the window of time you are asking about
Our Federal Transport Minister is Omar, from Egypt. Trudeaus newest minister appointment, said Canada has the strictest rules for international travelers. Trudeau has to have the strictest travel rules as he screwed up major with the vaccine program. No new vaccines for Canada this week.
Maybe fall earliest I think, we have 2.65 of people vaccinated in Canada good leadership.
And I’d say when they do open, you’ll have to be vaccinated to do so..
I would sure want to make sure that I am vaccinated before I head over. At Trudope’s pace it may be pretty dangerous for anyone not vaccinated.
Squash, Trump did not shut down the Us/Canada border. Trudeau did...and he has shown no interest in reopening the border anytime soon.
I had a turkey hunt canceled last May in Ontario and it looks like this May will be the same. Bummer.
Trudope and Kamala are going to meet soon. That's a scary thing for me, 'cause she'll own any balls present in that room!!
I’m stuck up here in the Lake of the Woods trying to get to the Klondike to work. Looks like I will be here till June by the sound of what I’m hearing at the border.
If you want to extrapolate some numbers, BC has administered 140k vaccine doses since December, so the better part of 60 days, or ~2,333 doses/day. BC population is ~5m. If the goal is 80% herd immunity, they would need to vaccinate 4m people. At the current pace, they would need 1700 days. I assume they won't wait to 80% herd immunity, and I assume the vaccination rate increases substantially, but it's going to take a while. I wouldn't bet on the border being open before late summer at best...
James A. I haven’t seen the scientific studies showing masks work. Please list them. Because a scientist or doctor thinks or says it doesn’t make it science. Example Fauci. Casper x2
Trudeau is the problem - a typical sleazy politician. Quarantines for everyone but him. My son-in-law and daughter live in Canada and it’s crazy. If they leave and come here for a visit they have to quarantine at a Trudeau approved hotel for 2 weeks upon returning. Yet the same rules don’t apply to him...
I would be extremely doubtful that he will open the border in time for spring bear.
Im from Canada and it is very hard to get out right now and even harder to get in if you are an average Joe. I'm thinking at least June maybe longer before the border opens. Had to cancel Mexico and Florida turkey hunts again for March/April which were cancelled from 2020 and re-booked to 2021. We have a very slow vaccine distribution plan up here right now and we are having even more problems getting vaccines into Canada so not trying to be the person that messes up the parade but I would say Bear hunts in May in Canada are about 100% not going to happen and 75-90% not going to happen in June for US citizens trying to get across border. Just my opinion....
Old School...Totally agree...that new regulation just cost me my Mexican trip...I'm pretty sure Mexican outfitter is just going to keep my money after two years and Aeromexico screwed me. My American buddies are still going on trip. Frustrating... as I arranged the 2nd half of trip for the three of us for Florida Osceola and I'm the one that can't go!
The more Americans that get vaccinated the stronger the argument is to allow crossing. Get 'er done, and encourage your friends and relatives. Then we can get back to living and playing hard. Remember that the immunity conveyed is NOT 100%, and therefore the less people in your community that carry the virus or are infectious (i.e. vaccinated) the lower the risk exposure. You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
Unfortunately Outfitters in Canada they have to tightening their belts for one more year Rockbass I’ll PM you
guide friend in Alberta says not likely
No our fearless leader is hell bent on killing all tourism operators and won’t stop until the job is done! But hey, I’ll openly declare it’s time to spend $64 million on a misinformation campaign. Yes!
Scheduled to hunt Alberta in November, currently coordinating a backup plan. Don't feel confident about the border opening in time.
There is some good info in this article about the number of vaccines going to Canada and when. The pace looks slow which I would read as nothing will change at the border. The last sentence does have me wondering if there will be enough doses to give folks who already got a first shot their second one.
Trudeau defends Canada tapping COVAX vaccine pool amid ongoing shortages Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is defending Canada’s decision to tap vaccine doses from a global sharing program meant to ensure an equitable distribution of doses between wealthy and poor countries.
about 10 hours ago By: Glacier Media
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is defending Canada’s decision to tap vaccine doses from a global sharing program meant to ensure an equitable distribution of doses between wealthy and poor countries.
Canada has been on the receiving end of criticism this week after it was revealed it would be accepting at least 1.9 million vaccine doses between now and June from the COVAX pool.
The prime minister noted that COVAX allows countries to invest half their funding into vaccine doses for poorer countries, while the other half goes to richer countries contributing to the pool.
So far Canada is the only G7 country tapping doses from COVAX.
“Our contribution was always intended for Canadians as well as to support lower-income countries,” Trudeau said during a Friday (February 5) media briefing outside his Ottawa home.
Canada’s first COVAX doses will come from AstraZeneca plc — a vaccine not yet approved by Canadian regulators.
The prime minister said he took a call this week from AstraZeneca CEO Pascal Soriot, who has assured him the company was on track to deliver its order to Canada pending regulatory approval.
Amid vaccine shortages from Pfizer Inc. (NSYE:PFE) and Moderna Inc. (NSYE:MRNA) in the early goings on inoculations, Trudeau said he’s also received reassurances from the CEOs of those companies that their combined order of six million doses will be delivered to Canada on schedule by the end of March.
Another 20 million doses from those countries remain on track to be delivered in the spring, the prime minister added.
No Pfizer shipments arrived in the country last week and Canada is only receiving 82% of the previously expected deliveries for the weeks of February 1 and February 8.
This comes as Pfizer revamps its production facilities in Belgium to expand its manufacturing capacity.
Meanwhile, the country had previously been expecting 230,000 doses this week and next from Moderna but delays have also been plaguing deliveries.
This week only 180,000 doses arrived.
Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin, the vice-president of logistics and operations at the Public Health Agency of Canada, said he couldn’t estimate how many Moderna doses would be delivered the week of February 22.
“But we are not expecting to receive Moderna’s 249,000 doses,” he said, referring to the increased number of doses previously expected.
Trudeau said the delay in shpipments remain a “hurdle” for the country.
“We knew short-term delays would be a possibility, so we planned accordingly,” he said.
The prime minister said the federal government’s plan was to ensure the country had as many deals as possible with the first companies to produce vaccines, but that it couldn’t risk putting all its eggs in one basket by signing larger agreements with fewer companies.
“Yes, the turbulence week over week that we’re seeing is of concern and we’re watching it closely and we’re staying on it,” Trudeau said.
To date, just over 1 million doses have been administered in Canada: 870,000 first doses and 113,000 second doses.
Both the Pfizer and Moderna require two doses.
As soon as JT opens his mouth he's lying !! He keeps saying everyone will get a chance to be vaccinated by September Ha Ha Ha September 2022 maybe !!!!! !Little rich boy playing at politics just a silly game to him like his old man . Well at least we can get marijuana to make us forget that we can't get a vaccine here ! Maybe he can get his buddies in China to help out ! Of course as a country we will show how much a bunch of sheep we are when we give him a majority when he sends us into an early election !!
Trudeau spends more time shopping for socks than vaccines. Between that and spending hours combing his hair so it looks like he didn't have time to comb his hair.
I keep hearing a lot of chatter at work about non-essential travel and rapid-testing combined with providing test results beforehand. I still feel that its a ways off, but sure a lot more chatter in the past couple weeks about it than there has been since last March.
Personally cant guess when it might be open or not, but just seems to be a trend in the past 2 weeks through some channels.
"I'm betting on yes, but I have free access anyways due to family in Canada. " - except that whole 14 day self isolation that most cant afford to do in combination with a bear hunt lol.
Kinda doubtful that vaccines will open borders (though they should) ... traveling internationally soon ... I’ve had both vaccines ... no one is interested. Testing required.
"It's unmonitored isolation" - Well, the 14 day self isolation isn't what I'd call 'unmonitored', but not really worth the discussion here. Several cases of having follow-ups throughout, as well as a lot of refusals of people who have attempted to circumvent the order. Entering Canada by right as a Canadian citizen obviously helps with the one step of getting across. Complying with the 14 day quarantine order is too much for most for a bear hunt.
Guys from the US will be vaccinated before Canadians, if trudope isn’t lying to us again I think the border will be open By August but we’ve been lyed to before. He say everyone that wants a vaccine will get one by end of September pray this craziness goes by soon.
With liberal leaders in both sides. They are anything but liberal and I highly doubt it. Especially with these new so called variants of the virus showing up.
Can ya bear hunt and still "isolate"? I was thinking along the lines of cross the border and isolate for 14 days......4 days camp out....bear hunt for 7 days....3 days camp out and leave on the 4th day.
If the new strain(s) of the virus take off here or in Canada......I would expect further delays with the border opening.
Global Cases Ease; Biden Warns on Immunity: Virus Update
Bloomberg News 1 hr ago
Coronavirus infections continued to slow across the globe, though President Joe Biden said it’s unlikely the U.S. will reach herd immunity before the end of the summer due to a shortfall in vaccine availability.
Vaccine developers said they are working on a new shot to combat the South African strain after early data suggested AstraZeneca Plc’s product has limited efficacy against mild disease caused by the variant. There’s “a reasonable chance” that vaccines will stay ahead of virus mutations, said a former head of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s shot got conditional approval in China for the general public, while Indonesia approved it for the elderly. Thailand opted out of Covax, saying its rules are too strict. South Korea is relaxing its social distancing rules as new cases decline. Germany is likely to extend its lockdown for another two weeks. Key Developments: Global Tracker: Cases exceed 106 million; deaths pass 2.3 millionVaccine Tracker: More than 131 million shots given worldwideChina’s Covid vaccine drive is falling behind the U.S., EuropeECB President Christine Lagarde sees a recovery in the summerChronic Covid and convalescent plasma may boost mutation riskWhere did Covid come from? Investigator foreshadows fresh clues
There’s “a reasonable chance” that vaccines will stay ahead of virus mutations, said Scott Gottlieb, a former head of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.
“I think there’s a rule of thumb we can assume that the vaccines are probably going to be about 20% less effective against these new variants from Brazil and South Africa,” Gottlieb said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
Yet he predicted the virus is “not going to continue to change as much.” Possibly in four to six months, scientists may be able discern “a consensus strain that bakes in a lot of the different variation that we’re seeing, to have boosters available for the fall,” Gottlieb said. a man sitting at a desk in front of a laptop: FDA And CDC Heads Testify To House Commerce Subcommittee On Seasonal Influenza Preparedness And Response © Bloomberg FDA And CDC Heads Testify To House Commerce Subcommittee On Seasonal Influenza Preparedness And Response
The Japanese government is considering lifting the state of emergency in 10 prefectures early depending on the virus situations ahead of the expiry date of March 7, Asahi reported, without attribution. The government plans to hold virus meetings Friday, and may decide to lift the emergency in Gifu prefecture if the situation in the neighboring Aichi prefecture also improves. Singapore Delays Travel Program for Businesses: BT (7:24 a.m. HK)
Singapore is pushing back a pilot program to bring officials and business people into the nation and put them in a “bubble,” the Business Times reports. Under the original plan for the Connect@Singapore initiative, the first travelers would have arrived in mid- to late January. The Singapore Tourism Board said it has not yet chosen operators for the facilities where these visitors would stay.
Biden Says Immunity Unlikely Before End of Summer (4:52 p.m. NY)
President Joe Biden said it’s unlikely the U.S. will reach herd immunity for the coronavirus before the end of the summer due to a shortfall in vaccine availability.
“The idea that this can be done and we can get to herd immunity much before the end of this summer is very difficult,” Biden said in an interview with CBS News that aired on Sunday.
In the U.S., logistical delays and vaccine shortages have meant only a small fraction of the population has received shots since two different vaccines became available in December.
Fauci Warns Not to Postpone Second Doses (4:07 p.m. NY)
Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Americans not to delay their second does of the coronavirus vaccine, after other health experts suggested recently there may be a benefit to pushing more people to get a first shot and possible delaying the follow-ups a bit.
“We must go with the scientific data that we’ve accumulated, and it’s really very solid,” Fauci, the top U.S. Infectious diseases specialist, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “You can get as many people in their first dose at the same time as adhering, within reason, to the timetable of the second dose.”
Fauci said U.S. vaccine supply should improve in February and March as the “capability of manufacturing” escalates. a group of people standing in a room: Yankee Stadium Opens As Covid-19 Vaccination Hub © Bloomberg Yankee Stadium Opens As Covid-19 Vaccination Hub
Germany to Extend Lockdown, State Leader Says (2:29 p.m. NY)
Germany will have to extend its lockdown when state and federal leaders meet on Wednesday to discuss Covid-19 strategy, Bavarian state premier Markus Soeder said.
Soeder, whose CSU party is part of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s governing bloc, told broadcaster ARD “it makes no sense to just call it off now” and risk a resurgence of the virus by easing restrictions prematurely.
Chancellery officials in Berlin have concluded it’s too early to ease restrictions even though infections are declining, and the lockdown is likely to be extended for two weeks, people familiar with the discussions said last week. South Africa to Speed Up Use of J&J Shot (2:15 p.m. NY)
South Africa plans to fast-track the rollout of Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine after it showed more efficacy against a new variant that’s prevalent in more than 90% of new cases in the country, according to Glenda Gray, president of the South African Medical Research Council.
The move comes after trial data released Sunday showed that a shot developed by AstraZeneca Plc has limited efficacy against the mutation that was identified late last year. Even though South Africa received its first vaccines this month with the arrival AstraZeneca’s product, its use should temporarily be suspended, Barry Schoub, chair of the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Vaccines, said Sunday in an online briefing. France Aims to Vaccinate 4 Million by March (2:08 p.m. NY)
France aims to vaccinate up to 4 million by the end of this month, government spokesman Gabriel Attal said in an interview on CNews, without clarifying if this target included the shots from both Pfizer and Moderna. The number of deaths due to the virus fell for a sixth day in a row to 171, according to Sante Publique France. New virus cases are still hovering around 20,000 a day. “We’re seeing a stabilization of new cases but the situation remains fragile,” Attal said. U.K. Minister Says Over-50s Will Be Vaccinated by May (12:49 p.m. NY)
The U.K. is on track to vaccinate all over-50s by May, with almost 1,000 people a minute receiving shots during the busiest period, Health Minister Nadhim Zahawi said.
Zahawi, who is responsible for the vaccine rollout, said the rate of 979 doses a minute was reached between 11 a.m. and 12 p.m. on Saturday. New Vaccine in Works to Fight South Africa Variant (11:59 a.m. NY)
Vaccine developers said they are working on a new shot to combat the South African strain of coronavirus after early data suggested AstraZeneca Plc’s product has limited efficacy against mild disease caused by the variant.
There isn’t yet enough information from research to show whether the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is effective at preventing severe Covid-19 cases, hospitalization and deaths, the company said in a statement.
Sarah Gilbert, leading the Oxford University-AstraZeneca vaccine program, said work was already under way to adapt the vaccine to deal specifically with the South African variant. The new shot is “very likely” to be available by autumn, she said. Study Predicts U.S. Spread of U.K. Variant (11:37 a.m. NY)
A new study warns of “further surges” in the U.S. as the coronavirus variant first found in the U.K. likely becomes the dominant strain.
The B.1.1.7 variant is 35-40% more transmissible, the study says, and “will likely become the dominant variant in many U.S. states by March, 2021, leading to further surges of Covid-19 in the country, unless urgent mitigation efforts are immediately implemented.”
The study was carried out by a team of virologists in the U.S. in association with the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, Calif. It echoed the same warning last month by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention about the variant’s rapid spread. The variant has been found in at least 30 U.S. states.
The U.S. added 106,570 Covid-19 cases on Saturday, almost 8,000 fewer than the week’s previous low, suggesting that the declining trend in infections is continuing. While testing has slowed over the past month, according to the Covid Tracking Project, the latest number compares with an average of some 177,000 daily new cases in the U.S. over the preceding four weeks. The numbers are based on nationwide data collected by Johns Hopkins University and Bloomberg.
Another 2,778 people of Covid-related illness, bringing the U.S. toll to more than 462,000. Norway’s Bergen to Go Into Lockdown (7:15 a.m. NY)
Norway’s second-largest city, Bergen, will go into lockdown after transmission of the South African virus variant was detected at construction sites. Shops, cafes, restaurants, gyms and museums will close, and all events will be banned in the city and two nearby municipalities for one week from 6 p.m. on Sunday.
My Canadian outfitter said they are not hearing much from the government on being able to be open. Slow Canadian vaccine roll out is really making the situation bleak
Link unfortunately I think you are right. But I'm not sure they will ever get sick of playing politics!
X2 what all the other Canadian guys have said.
It's getting super frustrating to have Ottawa tell us not to expect a return to normalcy until everyone has been vaccinated, while simultaneously proving to be utter failures at procuring and delivering vaccinations.
Sorry for all you guys that have to keep canceling trips.
I had to postpone a trip to Israel for approx. 30 people from Feb. to Nov. 2021, and now I'm getting nervous November won't be possible either.
Wife just told me Canada just stopped all cruises until 2022. Not looking good.
I feel sorry more for the businesses than for the guys canceling trips - me included. I can schedule something else. They can't make up that income. And it's not looking good.
I wish they would soon, the Wisconsin lakes are taking a beating.
I have an old timer, WWII U.S. Coastie acquaintance who is a Canadian res and lives in Ontario. I don't think he is a hunter and he is non-political. We were emailing over the weekend and he is not very hopeful the JT Admin is going to improve the Canadian virus response. He is well educated (Phd) and spoken and pays attention to what is going on there.
I just got through, mask and all but I told the rcmp my situation and they let me go through sask.
Just the look on his face tells me no.
Just the look on his face tells me no.
^^^. His wife kissed a frog, hoping he’d turn into a prince , but instead got a drama queen
I could puke just looking at his lying face.
Ambush you are absolutely correct, not much hope anymore for Canada,
Hey MSSQE maybe you can post a pic of his boyfriend Blair too I am sure that would really cause some heaving to commence ! I have to remember not to open this thread now !
You ask you receive.
You ask you receive.
He has done irreparable damage to our country... and that's not even taking the Covid mess into consideration.
I felt the same about his old man but i still use pounds and miles lol oh and thanks MQQSE !
VERY proud that SK did not elect one single stinkin’ Liberal. I wish people in Eastern Canada and the left coast of BC would grab a brain and stop voting for those scumbags.
Rob, there is hope.....
.... hope that the earth fault line will finally crack and the Vancouver area will sink or float to California ....
....or hope they will join Seattle and leave us the heck alone!!
Either way, good riddance.
Here we just want CA, WA, and OR to just vanish and take NY with them. We suffer your pain down here with the stupidity of the left and their handmaiden in the White House. Our group is praying for our spring bear trip...we will have completed the vaccines so maybe common sense will prevail and; along with rapid testing we could go by mid-May.
Blair just announced the border closure is going to be extended 2 months to ***April 21rst***
Mandatory testing happening for Canadians returning or family-class exemptions starting tomorrow. Also the use of Designated Quarantine facilities ramping up by land/air/etc. Interesting times for sure.....
What exactly are "designated Quarantine Facilities?!"
New measures forcing air travellers to foot the bill for a mandatory hotel quarantine after arriving in Canada will come into effect on Feb. 22, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Friday.
Under the new rules, travellers returning to Canada will be required to take a COVID-19 test at the airport at their own expense. They'll then be required to spend the first three days of their quarantine at a supervised hotel while awaiting their results, and foot the bill for their stay, expected to cost upwards of $2,000.
Travellers will be required to book their government-authorized hotel stay in advance starting Feb. 18.
Oh geez! : ( Thanks for the info!
But what if you have taken the test and have results in hand when returning?
Rut Nut But what if you have taken the test and have results in hand when returning?
Would be a possibility you get infected during the travel?
I'm giving it less than a 5% chance for my July fishing trip. We booked plan B which is Rainy Lake out of International Falls. That'll be the closest we get this year.
My family is taking our annual Mexico vacation in May. The resort is giving free China plague tests within the window required for Americans to get home. If you test positive, they'll put you and one other person up for free for 14 days. No resort or person would want that so I am hoping the test is a farce. Just give me my paperwork with a negative result and let me go home.
With the US requiring a negative test within 72 hours to return to the US from international travel, I am not sure how the resorts in Canada could accommodate that.
Has anyone heard if having the Covid shots would make any difference for crossing the border?
Or what if you have been tested and have the antibodies already?
What if this, what if that, mandatory downtime. Spring bear in early May isn’t looking good.
To be honest, spring bear 2022 is the real question....
Reading the Montreal Gazette this morning it appears that the Canadian PM might be headed to a spring election. Any thoughts?
Bowfreak; I tend to read some of the daily articles in the Ottawa and Montreal papers. There was an article there this am noting that Trudeau was getting some of his ministers to put out in front of the media and public his policies. French would remain the minority in the country, native languages stressed, global warming issues, unpopularity of gun issues in rural/suburban areas, Covid vaccines just starting, unpopularity of Blair. The article clearly suggested they thought he was headed for a spring election. I do not believe he has a majority government. I may need to ck that.
Minority gov’t is correct for JT. The NDP team with the Liberals, never the Conservatives that I’ve seen, even though the Conservatives got more votes than the Libs in the last Federal Election.
The NDP will side with the libs as long as they are able to pressure them into adding stuff they want but will never get on their own. Trudope won't risk pushing for a non confidence vote until the polls show he could get a majority which is unlikely unless his handling of the covid crisis gets much better than it is now then all the libs/sheep here will jump back on his band wagon .
There is going to be a special news program on CBC this Sunday at 10:00 am on what it will take to open the border. It will include info from the CDC and Canadian and US officials.
I tried to be honest. Maybe if I listed bear hunt as reason they would reconsider.
I tried to be honest. Maybe if I listed bear hunt as reason they would reconsider.
Well there you go MQQSE. If you are going to bear hunt crossing the border is not optional, it's a necessity!!!
I agree! If you really NEED a Canadian bear hunt it’s not discretionary or optional, it’s a necessity!!
There’s only been 2 or 3 actual sightings of a black bear in Kansas in maybe the last 100 years. So yes I NEED a Canadian bear hunt. Was paid for in full last year before border closing, I get my first Covid Vaccine shot on Monday, and should have my 2nd shot in 21 to 28 days. I NEED my bear hunt.
I’ve got an Alberta bear hunt paid for as well. I just keep thinking about all the big bears that will be running around if two spring hunts are cancelled. Locals don’t hunt bears very much from what I can tell. Could be an epic hunt the first year it opens
I’ve got a moose hunt in Alberta that’s been postponed since last year. According to my outfitter, locals still hit the moose but not so much the bears
The other thing I’ve noticed are Alaskan and US outfitters are raising prices. The longer Canada stays closed I bet the extra demand on the US outfitters will continue to drive up price? That’s not good
Screw Canada. The rest of the world will open very soon ... the vaccines are remarkably effective and the incidence of infection is falling for many reasons. When Canada does open, they’ll have a naive population and see cases rise ... gotta go through this someday, Canadians ... I, for one, don’t mind spending dollars elsewhere
I'm scheduling hunts everywhere but Canada. Plenty of opportunities in the lower 48, in Alaska, in Mexico, and elsewhere.
Canadians need to take their country back.
USA sucks they won't let me drive in for my annual turkey tour or fall deer, antelope and turkey ! Americans need to take their country back lol On a more serious note I think we are pretty much screwed here too many libs that love trudopes hair ! With his skills as a leader maybe I'll get a vaccine by 2022.
sticksender - it's too late, we're outnumbered.
Yeah. Take it back Like Americans have. Just look south for the example of how to do it. Jeeessshhhhhh.
Still hoping to get our canceled bear hunt in. Have taken 11 black bear with my Canadian outfitter and will not give up on him. The federal government in Canada has abandoned the outfitters/small businesses. Pretty much the same here. Riots still in the cities w/o police protection...criminals immediately released back into the public in NY...liberal cancer spreading badly in both our countries.
Some funny responses here that make it seem as if Canada has its border closed but the USA does not. I've had to put off Wyoming hunt last year and will do so this year due to the joint-agreement on keeping the land border closed for both countries.
Easy to say 'screw Canada', but as a Canadian I cant cross down to the USA without flying in (pretty impractical for a guy who wants to do several hunts) and I'm literally 75 yards away from the border right now and cant cross south if I wanted to. BOTH countries need to lift this border closure together....
Spike Buck said there was suppose to be a something on CBC this morning regarding the closure. Did that happen? Can anyone give an update on what was said?
“Canadians need to take their country back.”
LMAO. Considering recent events - that’s the line you chose to go with?
Yeah some ridiculous comments from some fellow Americans. Border closing is a 2 way street. Please don’t think all Americans feel that way. Hope all stay healthy until things get better.
We would already be rid of Trudumb if the pandemic had not put a halt to investigations into his conduct with a crooked-ass charity he is heavily involved with and tried to give lucrative government contracts to. Latest news is that investigations will soon continue. Once his involvement is proven he will not survive politically. But eastern Canada and the left coasters will continue to vote for the crooked Liberal Party it is too ingrained in their history to change. Only hope for western Canada is to seperate or we’ll be stuck with eastern Canada’s political idiocy forever.
Some people need to relax and enjoy life on what is offering you, there is no need to blame north south east or west, there is a lot worse things in life
To all of the Canadians that are here, please do not judge us by some of the responses here. Take your country back?? What have we done about taking ours back. I hope those who are saying screw Canada do truly go somewhere else. That way we won't run into them when we are lucky enough to cross the border again.
I agree JB. I make numerous trips to Ontario every year and miss what it has to offer. Can't wait til this mess straightens out and we can get back to crossing a friendly border.
skull; Just pointing out to our southern neighbors that most of western Canada is not responsible for electing a complete idiot as Prime Minister of Canada. Honestly who in their right mind would vote for a substitute drama teacher spoiled rich brat as PM? I’m sure those who don’t live here must wonder how that could happen.
Trust me. Not surprised. We've experienced it here at several levels!
Rob unfortunately the vast majority of people live in east Canada, nothing we can do about that, and not all the people living east voted for him, including myself, I don’t think is much better in the USA right know with there new president, Blaming people or country is not going to solve any problem at this time STAY AT HOME: ‘YOUR GRANDPARENTS WERE CALLED TO WAR. YOU’RE BEING CALLED TO SIT ON YOUR COUCH
For outfitters, associated industries and anyone else running a business in Canada that relies on foreign tourism, this state of limbo right now must be pure torture. I wonder about the long-term impact this will wreak on some of the outfitters. The ones doing high-cost hunts like sheep have invested millions into their concessions. It's not like they can take twice as many hunters once it opens back up. Every additional year lost is gone forever. If this continues into another fall, the hole could be so deep for some, that there's no digging out.
If western Canada seperated we would not give a rat’s ass who the east voted for; unfortunately at this point we are once again having to deal with an idiotic useless leader the other ends of the country put in power. My parents were both WWII veterans who would be appalled at the level of government control being forced upon us. So far a year has gone by with billions of dollars added to the defecit and no real progress or improvement happening. Politicians dont care: they still get paid way too much to do way too little while small business owners suffer.
Rob You’re blaming the east Canada putting in power and idiot, which I agree with you, But you just said ( Politicians dont care: they still get paid way too much to do way too little while small business owners suffer) so what make you think the next Prime Minister would care about small businesses, When you just told me they don’t care, when time is tough I work harder, I don’t blame no one, if I can’t put food on my table I’m the one to be blamed
I think if there is a vote of non confidence... Trudope will get in again. Our riding has a Conservative MP but Eastern Ontario will get Trudope back in. If OLeary is anything like Ford, we are still in trouble. I have my doubts about O'Leary!! Maybe we can vote in the Saskatchewan Party!!
Spike; I also doubt O’Leary can win. Too bad Brad Wall former leader of the Saskatchewan Party did not run for federal Conserbative leader. He would have a good chance of breaking up the eastern Liberal lovefest. Skull; Unleess you are an outfitter I doubt you can appreciate the fact that we work minimum 14 hours a day seven days a week for months on end. The border will not open until vaccinations happen and our idiot Liberal leaders have completely dropped the ball on that front so yes I blame the politicians for not doing their jobs and getting Canada’s tourism industry back on track sooner than later. The USA vaccinated 2 million people over the past weekend; Trudumb and his band of Liberal assclowns neglected to get any vaccine for Canada. Maybe next week?
What happened with the CBC announcement?
My Canadian bear outfitter is having a tough time w/o any American clients and I am certain that is true across Canada. I met him on a family caribou hunt in 1996 and have watched him married, held his first-born, and hunted bear w/him many times. His son (oldest I believe) is one of Canada's top competition bow shooters. I see no reason to stop a client from hunting in Canada this spring if they have both vaccine shots and show a clean test just before crossing. Most hunts are very remote.
CBC interviewed the US Secretary of State. Said the border wont open till science says to open. He did not answer a single question asked. Think him and Trudope went to the same training course on public relations. Should be able to google it on CBCnews.ca
What's the chances of crossing the border? Well considering that our TOP health official has said that even if you are vaccinated and the person you're talking to is vaccinated. one or both of you could still either get covid or transmit it. They're "...just not sure yet."
After the miserably incompetent efforts and missteps, and the huge amounts of debt incurred with no results, this government is making intense efforts to keep people paralyzed with fear so it all seems worth it. They can't walk it back now, only double down, then double, double down.
By the end of this year the real results of this debacle are going to start to trickle out until its a flood. In BC, more people have died from drug overdose and suicide than from covid. This year I suspect more people will die from treatable diseases that weren't diagnosed last year because the hospitals were emptied out and people told to not come in. Suicides from crushed business and crushed lives will overtake covid. And magically, way fewer elderly will die, which the politicians and beauroucrats will take credit for.
The border will open when the government is more afraid of not opening then keeping up the façade. I believe there will be a quiet rebellion when the weather starts to improve.
Trudope screwed up.... because he had no hope for an early vaccine. It was easier to put all in lockdown. When the people started to revolt and refuse lockdown then he scrambled to purchase vaccines, cases started to climb fast. There is no one to blame but our failed government, provincial and federal!! I dont know anyone in Canada with or had Covid. A handfull of our clients did from US. They all came out of it fine. Said was a bad cold.
Is it a world controlling conspiracy? Doubt it. Will rich and powerful people gain more wealth and power? Absolutely! But in our leaders' cases, it's simply ineptness, stupidity and arrogance which has lead into saving face and ass covering. They're too dumb to be conspirators on their own, beyond promoting their virtue signaling ideologies.
Ambush, good post. Just about exactly like I see it.
That said, I have my fingers crossed that maybe we'll be able to cross into Nunavut and the NWT in August and September...into the US as well.
The problem with Trudope is he is a spoiled rich kid trying to play politics because the Libs knew the sheep would vote for a Trudeau again. Amazing how some still revere his old man. Unfortunately he is just playing at a game while we all suffer for it !! Oh and by the way I also am in the east ! Funny thing is most people I talk to say they wouldn't vote for him again but like the libs in the US he just needs a few big citys full of immigrant new voters to swing it his way. Then again the conservatives with O'toole don't give much optimism .
Not many people know that thousands of illegal aliens in Canada have been taking advantage of government Covid relief payments and collecting up to 6000.00 or more per month under false names and fake ID’s. The government could not even figure out how to make that program secure and fraud-free. Just throw a bunch of money out there and hope it lands in the right places. Pathetic. I think the lockdowns will end and border will have to open by August latest or there will be a serious revolt. Even the lazy people are getting pretty sick of being told to sit on their couches.
Rob: unfortunately I’m Outfitter, plus I have a small retail store, and I have a full time job as cement finish, 14 hours a day is a normal day for me, I know exactly the frustration people are going through, I seen it every day, will never going to be a revolt in Canada never, people don’t have the guts even to stand up for themselves, as long people get their 2000$ a month there happy, this government is going to create so much debt for the next 10 generation
Even if it opens in August will it be soon enough to prevent outfitters from going under? Thats basically another season down the tube for the fishing guys.
Timbrhuntr there is no more immigrant coming to Canada, they are all refugees
I just read the CBC article...not looking good for this spring.
So many Canadians were hoping Biden would get in so that Biden can help US distribute vaccines to Canadians. Biden's office just announced US will not share vaccines till all Americans are vaccinated..... I think that is the way it should be. Vaccinate citizens first then share!!
Trudope vs. Covid: Deputy Public Health Officer Howard Njoo said on Thursday that 1.5 million doses of Covid-19 vaccines have been administered in Canada. He said 2.9 percent of Canadians have received at least one dose of vaccine, while 1.1 percent have received two doses.
By comparison, the United States is vaccinating 1.5 million Americans a day.
That’s what happens when you vote in a substitute drama teacher spoiled rich brat who never had or needed a job to run your country. Thank you very much Vancouver, eastern Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes. Way to go!
“Biden now says US will have enough vaccine for every adult by the end of May”
If true will Trupdipshit open the border for US citizens in time for August sheep seasons? Or will he find a plethora of reasons to continue to keep us out? I imagine he will rely on the vaccinated still transmitting the virus.
Is Canada keeping the US out of are we keeping them out - or both? I'm so confused.
Kind of both. But Canadians can fly into U.S. for some reason. Canada is basically closed to Americans right now. The problem is Trudeau can't seem to answer any questions about how or when he will open the border.
Justty and Joe are bros now, they’ll work it out.
CONTENT The United States (U.S.) is cooperating closely with Canada to ensure that North American has a coordinated approach to combating the pandemic caused by the coronavirus also known as COVID-19.
On March 21, 2020, the U.S., Mexico, and Canada temporarily restricted non-essential travel across the US-Canada land borders. These restrictions will remain in effect until 11:59 p.m. EDT on March 21, 2021. We are maintaining cross-border activities with Canada and Mexico that support health security, trade, commerce, supply security, and other essential activities while taking critical steps to protect our citizens and to curb spread of the virus.
https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1596?language=en_US
That sums it up Skull.... both US and Canada are closed for leisure, cross border traffic.
It makes sense to me that this will be a tough go as killing hunting, anyway the politicians can, will serve the lefts agenda. It's going to be a tough fight sportsmen, but better get ready to do battle.
The Mexican border is anything BUT Closed
Went across a little over a week ago for lunch
It’s the Canadian border that has the restrictions
I can’t see anyone getting in Canada for nonessential without covid vaccine, they figure anyone over 16 that wants vaccine will get it by June now in Canada so things will change after that if things go well. Other country’s r talking u need covid shot before they will let u in too.
Everyone in Canada over 16 that wants it will have it by June. Must be counting on alot of people not wanting it Bwahaha !!
Lots of talking with some decent information mixed in.
huntinelk, thanks for the link. I found it curious the BC outfitter guy proposed hunters who are booked with outfitters in Canada not expect to get some or all of their money back...His opinion was the hunters who were shut out and have deposits with outfitters should share in the losses with the outfitter....Not sure what to think about that suggestion. I agree the whole hunting community should get behind those outfitters, but not sure its fair that it should be borne by those who already have money on hunts in Canada...
So they should get paid for not performing the work or service? What a socialist idea that is. . . . (Note to self, never book with Scott Ellis)
Scott is a lawyer employed by the Guide Outfitters Assoc of BC. What did you expect him to say?
Mike I was thinking about that myself. Glad I'm booked for sheep in Alaska as I'm not sure that would set well with me. That and I don't believe clients from u.s. or any other country outside of Canada have any recourse whatsoever. They are at the mercy of whatever their particular outfitter decides is the right thing to do. I feel for those outfitters but its not right to stick it on paying clients. Seems like one year was manageable, with just rolling everybody back a year. If this does go through a second year things may get ugly. I also think Canadian government isn't going to open before this fall at the earliest and they don't care who or how this hurts certain people. I hope I'm wrong.
I guess we are about to find out here in another 2 months. I can’t reschedule. I’m booked solid for several years down the road and so is my partner. It’s now or never for the three of us.
I have a Canadian moose hunt and bear hunt scheduled. The bear hunt is paid in full. Moose hunt 1/2.
My outfitter just keeps pushing his schedule back till border opens
Seems like fair way to manage this situation
I have a bear hunt and aid in full also. Outfitter pushed 1 time already. Don’t know if he’ll push a 2nd time yet or not. Hope so , or maybe 1/2 back to ease pain for both parties. Only time will tell. It’s funny though that people are coming across US/Mexico border without issues. Not sure governments logic on the issue. Oh yeah government logic doesn’t exist.
"It’s funny though that people are coming across US/Mexico border without issues".Bentstick, that's because the Mexican government actually considered the livelihoods of their citizens who are dependent on the tourism industry, and approached the issue in a rational, common-sense manner from the start.
Any GOOD outfitter won’t be taking your money. I actually offered to send money to my outfitter and he said no don’t send any money we are just moving your hunt to 2022. I have Hunted with this outfit 3 times.
Well Slate I can tell you your statement is not true for one outfitter
The guy I go with is on 3 year rotation bow moose. Someone has to die to get whitetail and gun moose. Bear maybe has 1-2 opening a year, maybe
All repeat customers. I’d call that a great outfitter?
One more - he doesn’t even have a web site. No need to, he’s sold out for years with repeat customers. That’s a good outfitter IMO.
I’m happy to have him keep my money and not lose my place in line. I book him 3 years out
I have an NWT sheep hunt booked, and I am sure it will happen, just not sure when. I feel bad for the outfitters, many of whom are my friends...and am willing to bend over backwards to make sure they make it through...but I still expect to get the hunt I paid for. If there needs to be a hunting community wide "go fund me" to get them through I will surely donate...just not my whole 10k deposit!
Outfitting is a business just like any other, you better know how to run it, or you’re going under,
Most outfitters keep your deposit if you cancel a hunt. I never had or will have a problem with that. My second payment was made before both governments shut down the border. Not my outfitters fault, nor my fault. My outfitter never hesitated to roll our hunt from May of 2020 to May of 2021. Just haven’t heard what will happen now if the border doesn’t re-open for spring 2021 season. Don’t know of any business (large or small) that plans for a pandemic. Hopefully all clients and outfitters can come up with a workable solution to ease the financial blow to all parties involved. I really would rather have my hunt than the money I have invested, but that, at this point, is controlled by the governments.
NW Ontario is going back to Red.... we were in Orange last month. Next is back into lockdown. Sudbury is in Lock down.
Skull-I don't think knowing how to run your business overcomes the government shutting you down for a year and counting.
Not promising until early fall:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vaccine-and-case-counts-will-determine-when-border-opens-says-trudeau-1.5344805
TORONTO -- Canada will not reopen the U.S. border until vaccination rates and case counts reach levels that would make doing so safe for Canadians, says Prime Minister Trudeau.
skookumjt you know how many Canadian residents are looking to book hunts with Canadian Outfitter including myself, the government is not shutting no one down, only the border is close, not your business
Trudeau says a vaccine passport is "not" out of the question for tourism. First I heard him say that.
Skull, unfortunately if the Ontario Premiere tell everyone to stay home, there will be no domestic Tourism. There are highway signs here telling all to stay home.
Spike Buck. He is known as Trudope. People won’t know who you are talking about.
I’ll get my 2nd Pfizer vaccine on 3/22. I would be ready to go.
I’ll get my 2nd Pfizer vaccine on 3/22. I would be ready to go.
Skull, it has little to do with how you run your business! Our main customers are locked out of coming to us. Imagine if Canadian farmers suddenly couldn’t sell their grain anywhere except within Canada? Or Canadian oil companies could only sell to Canadians? Yes, Canadians will still eat crops and use oil but a lot of farmers and oil companies would go out of business fast! Do you know how small the Canadian hunter market is for Canadian outfitters? How little they are willing to pay for a guided big game hunt? I don’t blame them, the whole outfitting industry is built on an international market. Our Canadian customers are very much appreciated but it’s a break even deal at best for most outfitters. We need the dam border open to survive!
Chris, he can tell everyone to stay home as much he wants, in the main time how many International flight lended at Toronto Pearson today, I’m going to do everything I can to put food on my table
Mike, there is no question we need the border to be open, but if the border situation will not improve, what the Outfitters are going to do, no one knows how long is going to be close, I will do the best I can to survive until things get better
Skull, you have a huge market within, what, 8 hours of you. I hope you do well with domestic clients. But no matter where you go here, there are huge billboards telling all to stay home.
During the last lock down, we had to pass through a Provincial Police checkpoint at the East end of Vermilion Bay. Told them we had to go check our cabin. They were on Snow Machines doing the road blocks. Under the guise of checking for DWI's. It was ridiculous!! No domestic Tourist will want to go through that.
Can only blame "TRUDOPE" for this mess!!!
I have always called him Trudumb. My bad. Most outfitters are very leery of Canadian clients because in many cases they can return to hunt on their own without a guide in t he same area so it is a risk to educate them. I fielded lots of calls from Quebec last Fall; all of them knew outfitters were hurting and were looking for major discounts. So now if I hear a French accent I tell em immediately, “Sorry we are all booked up. See ya. “
Last year was a major inconvenience for all the great Canadian outfitters. This year it may polish many off. As hunter we are missing a fun time for a week or two. Big deal.
As an outfitter you guys are talking the difference between existing or going extinct. It’s so sad for the great outfitters up there who have been part of a legacy of outfits that have been the source of millions of dreams come true for a century.
Thanks bou’bound!
And yes, skull, like you I’m booking as many Canadians as I can that will hopefully turn a profit. Some outfitters with high local demand are doing well mostly through a good luck fluke of their own circumstances. But the vast majority are NOT, through no fault of their own and there is little they can do about it! Comments like “you better know how to run your business” or “only the border is closed, not your business” from a fellow Canadian outfitter is ridiculous! Some outfitters in the NWT were not allowed to bring in any hunters, zero, in areas worth millions of dollars with possible big payments. We are super thankful we can still run some Canadians at least.
Skull, if I remember right, you do not own the Outfitting business. You just run the hunts for the owner of the camp and he holds the license for Form #33's.. You have no investment other than time put in each year.
Chris, I believe he has North River Outfitters.
Pasquale Mastroianni Pasquale Mastroianni is the head guide for North River Outfitters, which operates in the Sudbury area and caters to serious bowhunters. Mastroianni has been guiding hunters to big bears for nearly 25 years.
Someone else owns the Outfitting Business (North River Outfitters)..... Pasquale helps to run the bear hunt for the Outfitter. Pasquale does an excellent bear bow hunt.
Pasquale Mastroianni Pasquale Mastroianni is the head guide for North River Outfitters, which operates in the Sudbury area and caters to serious bowhunters. Mastroianni has been guiding hunters to big bears for nearly 25 years.
Sorry for the late reply, busy delivering bear bait
I’m sure most of you have forgotten about 1999, but I haven’t. Actually 1999 taught me a lesson. I had just bought into the business which cost me almost all my savings when spring bear hunt was gone without any notice and no sign of return. I had to send all the deposits back, and with only a few weeks of fall season left, I had to readjust my life. In the meantime other Outfitters from the rest of Canada were laughing all the way to the bank, I survived 18 years without any spring income. Now, I’m better prepared. I hope everything gets back to normal, if it will ever be normal again?
Chris just to let you know I have been buying into the business at a percentage every year and I’m up to 80%. And yes you can say I don’t own it, until it is paid in full, But I call the shoots, and yes I have invested in the business, I take 80% of the profit at the end of the season.
Charlie, I know Trevor, he is 40 minutes south of me. Good luck everyone
Trevor Spooner was on the news networks back in 2016 talking about the Spring Bear hunts return.
Border closure just extended to April 21rst. Trudeau again yesterday suggests a Vaccine passport as a means to cross border when its reopened.
From what I see, non essential travel restricted "until" 11:59 pm 3/21/21. Anybody heard about any extensions?
thanks spike buck. I should of checked before just posting.
I really don't need any updates. Trudeau clearly has no clue and no plan to reopening.
So, it's obvious that the Spring hunt is not going to happen. I will shift my hunters to alternate dates. I only have so many tags left for 2022 so will move most booked for Spring 2021 to Fall 2021. Those allready moved from 2020 to 2022 your dates are noted allready *** I have taken a job in Forest Regeneration till end of July. Hunters deposits are secure and will be transferred to the alternate dates that are available. Camp "WILL" make it through the pandemic, took the job to stay busy.
I wish all outfitters the best through 2021...
I will keep all my clients updated!! Chris Lavoie, Pine Acres Camp. [email protected] or 1-807-221-9793 or 1-807-227-2073.
Nice Chris. Glad to hear it
I guess that link pretty much says it all for May travel.
I don't get the Covid Passport premise. So far they're saying that the vaccine won't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, but will lesson the severity if you do get sick. Even with the vaccine, you still have to practice all the protocols. So in reality the vaccine is only to protect yourself from a harsher experience. So why does it matter to any one else?? It's not like it's not already in both countries and one is trying to stop it from crossing their border.
Just seems like another attempt to expand government by creating yet another department.
"Hello. You've reached the Department of Redundancy Department. Stay on the line until someone is available to confuse or ignore you. To pass the time you can whistle Dixie"
I don;t get it either, Ambush! But I bet it's a way to encourage/force people to get vaccinated.
I work in a hospital with a nursing home unit. All employees who have to go onto the nursing home floor need to be tested (for COVID) twice a week. IF you were vaccinated AND get the anti-body test and HAVE anti-bodies you do NOT need to do the twice weekly COVID test. So unless you want to go thru that BS twice a week, they are kind of forcing your hand. (especially since the COVID testing is NOT a walk-in clinic......................you need to make an apt ahead of time- each time!)
Biden just announced that the US will be sending extra vaccines they have on hand to get Canada on track.
Really... I’m way down the list of eligible people. Now I’m behind my neighbors to the north. Wtf?
Sending 1.5 million to Canada and 2.5 million to Mexico.
i wish you were getting all 4M
Biden is giving them the AstraZeneca doses which are not currently approved in the US but is approved in Canada. This is not slowing up anyone in the US from getting a vaccine.
WWNY-TV, Watertown, NY is reporting this evening that the border restrictions have been officially extended to April, 21st. I think all here expected that. Ottawa newspaper reported that the city and surrounds were going 'red' at mid-night tonight. That places them one step from lockdown. Not looking good for spring bear/fishing in Canada.
From what I am hearing from many sources.... good chance border will open by mid summer. There is alot of talk from officials on the need to get the US and Canadian Border open as soon as possible. Just watched the Mayor of Windsor ON on the news. Wish I knew how to post links..
Hope you are right spike. Nothing I've seen leads me to believe Trudeau is interested in opening up any time soon. The people it is actually effecting for sure are lobbying for a plan to open up.
I get to talk to our Conservative Provincial MPP for this riding tomorrow in person. He'll be in VBay for an announcement on a huge Tourist grant for the dock at the lakeshore. I'll be asking about our border reopening and what he's doing to speed it up. Other than Forestry, Tourism is all there is and he knows it.
Mr. Lavoie (Spike Buck) does the representative have real actual dollar values available quantifying the funds spring bear hunters from the U.S.A. would like to spend in Canada in the next 90 days if the Canadian government can announce in the near future that the border will open soon, perhaps on April 22 when the recently announced April 21 closure extension ends?
In 1999, the final tally that Ontario Government came up with was $40,000,000.00 lost when they closed the spring bear hunt. That's just bear hunting and prices for a bear hunt has gone up dramatically since.
Imagine, Ontario revenue will lose out on Bear Licenses, HST (Tax), exports, taxes on wages, fishing Licenses. Not to mention the USD spent on things other than on their bear hunt.
Now, there is more than just a lost Spring Bear Hunt... all Tourist resorts ( Fishing and Hunting ) busiest months ( May and June )are going to be cancelled. The total damage to Ontario's economy will not be known for a year or 2.
Ontario is just small slice in the pie...
Last weekend we were going to stay in Winnipeg for a night and visit the zoo or just anything for a change. Wanted to get out for a day or 2. When we booked the Motel room, the place said that we could only rent a room if we had proof of a medical appointment. So we did not travel.
Canada has its own people basically locked down. Anyone really think they want any filthy American tourists around this year?
Our Provincial MPP Greg Rickford agreed that the Border will not open before summer. For those of you hoping for the border to open in time for a Spring bear hunt.... it will "NOT" happen. He did suggest a requirement of international travellers going to be needing a Vaccine Passport when the time comes to open the border.
He said Outfitters will be having a rough year ahead of them... worse than last year!!
Any idea how a vaccine passport would work? Some type of card/paperwork from your local Health dept or some type of actual stamp on the passport? Would you still have to quarantine upon entry?
I heard downloaded onto phone or Vaccine card.
This is interesting about the vaccine card. I get my 2nd shot on Wednesday and the VA gave me a small card with my vaccine info. It lists the date of both vaccines, the type of vaccine and is signed by the nurse administering the shot. It has the CDC logo on the upper right corner. I'm guessing it is an actual govt vaccine card?? If a govt card is required as "official" proof....I hope this is it.
Take a picture of your vaccination record and store it on your cell phone. Hopefully, border crossings will not require the actual document.
Going to be a thriving counterfeit market! Hurray for small business!
There is nothing set on what it will take to get across the border yet. No need to speculate on what is needed until they tell us what we need. The vaccine passport is just an idea. It may be something like that or they may not require it at all.
Powder is correct, not set in stone as to what will be required to cross into Canada. But Trudeau has been talking he might go with a vaccine passport.
McLoven! He gets to cross as an essential worker.
The other thing I’ve noticed are Alaskan and US outfitters are raising prices. The longer Canada stays closed I bet the extra demand on the US outfitters will continue to drive up price? That’s not good
For those who are booked this spring in Canada I'd highly suggest moving that hunt to 2022 or '23 now. Those who haven't booked or want to I'd suggest booking asap. The quality of bears and numbers of bears (or moose/deer, etc) will be incredible. Do not wait, there will be a huge demand when Canada reopens.
For what’s it’s worth, I’ve spoken to my BC Moose outfitter, and he is planning all go this coming fall.
Not that he knows for sure, however his insight tells him he will be operational, requirements pending. Everyone who booked with him, pre-pandemic got bumped up one year.
Hope so for all hunters and the outfitters.
I have no idea who this publisher is or where they get their information but this is the first, and only, published note I've seen that holds out any hope for the border opening in time for spring bear hunts. With the rate of vaccination now occuring in the US it's hard to see how US citizens could pose much of a risk to Canada by the middle of May. Of course there is always the possibility to make vaccination a requirement to cross.
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/us-reportedly-considering-lifting-canada-mexico-border-closures-in-may.html
Here is the CNBC article quoted in the previous note POLITICS Biden administration eyes mid-May to begin relaxing Covid travel restrictions, sources say PUBLISHED THU, MAR 18 202112:30 PM EDTUPDATED THU, MAR 18 20215:55 PM EDT Kayla Tausche @KAYLATAUSCHE SHARE Share Article via Facebook Share Article via Twitter Share Article via LinkedIn Share Article via Email KEY POINTS The relaxation of restrictions would involve travel across the Mexican and Canadian borders and on inbound travel from the U.K., Europe and Brazil, two sources told CNBC. While there has not been a policy memo or formal codification of the time frame, the discussion has focused on trying to limit the spread of variants domestically as localities make their own decisions on how quickly to reopen. In the meantime, officials have suggested President Biden and his Covid task force need more time to feel comfortable with reopening borders and increasing the level of air traffic from overseas. WATCH NOW VIDEO01:57 White House eyes to relax travel restrictions by mid-May, sources tell CNBC The Biden administration is looking toward the middle of May to relax restrictions on travel across the borders with Mexico and Canada and on inbound international travel from the U.K., Europe and Brazil, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
While there has not been a policy memo or formal codification of that time frame, the discussion has focused on trying to limit the spread of variants domestically as localities make their own decisions on how quickly to reopen. In the meantime, officials have suggested President Joe Biden and his Covid task force need more time to feel comfortable with reopening borders and increasing the level of air traffic from overseas.
“There is going to be a sea change in mid-May when vaccines are more widely available to everyone,” according to one senior administration official.
The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
The White House did not respond to e-mail requests for comment before publication.
The Department of Homeland Security announced a one-month extension of a ban on land crossings at the borders with Canada and Mexico until April 21. The previous expirations, renewed a month ago, had been set to expire March 21.
The Biden administration has been grappling with a surge in migration at the southern border, with the volume of unaccompanied minors overwhelming shelters and the number of adults apprehended set to reach 20-year highs. The U.S. has been pressing Mexico to do more to control the flow of migration — in addition to enforcing testing and masking protocol to limit Covid spread.
CNBC Politics Read more of CNBC’s politics coverage:
Joe Biden held his first presidential press conference ‘The Super Bowl of tax reform’ takes shape Major oil industry group endorses carbon pricing At the northern border, one official said, Canada has been requesting the U.S. keep the border closed until citizens there can get access to vaccines. In a joint communique following a bilateral meeting in late February, Biden and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said they “agreed to take a coordinated approach based on science and public health criteria when considering measures to ease Canada-U.S. border restrictions in the future.”
As for international air travel from Britain, Europe and Brazil, interagency working groups in the Biden administration have agreed to revisit the issue on a weekly basis as new data becomes available. Public health experts have raised concerns about new variants that could spread rapidly in communities that are reopening quickly, while other officials have noted that all international travelers must test negative before boarding. Those two views, according to sources, have offset each other in deliberations.
Before leaving office, former President Donald Trump lifted restrictions on inbound travel from allied countries, even as the United States was experiencing a surge in cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Biden reinstated the restrictions during his first week in office.
“With the pandemic worsening, and more contagious variants emerging around the world, this is not the time to be lifting restrictions on international travel,” press secretary Jen Psaki tweeted on Jan. 25 when the administration moved to reinstate the limits.
For what’s it’s worth, I’ve spoken to my BC Moose outfitter, and he is planning all go this coming fall.
Not that he knows for sure, however his insight tells him he will be operational, requirements pending. Everyone who booked with him, pre-pandemic got bumped up one year.
Hope so for all hunters and the outfitters.
Just my thoughts but I think by May they are going to be having to figure out what do do when they have more vaccines than people willing to take it. Canada is well behind the USA in vaccinations but I think both countries are underestimating the number of people that will refuse to take a vaccine for a disease that has a 99+% survival rate. It will get interesting when they hit this point...
Ontario is sitting on over 500,000 unadministered doses.
If the survival rate on the vaccine is higher than the survival rate of the disease it should work out fine regardless of what the absolute numbers may be
Thousands and thousands of (Canadian tax paying) US citizens have summer homes and cottages in Canada. Thousands and thousands of Canadians depend on tourist business from US citizens. Keeping them out for a second Summer season seems unlikely so I’d keep my eye on them. These groups have way more leverage than Outfitters. Keep hanging in guys.
I don’t know if you’re right Charlie, but it’s good to see something optimistic from someone whose opinion I respect.
Operational issue.......if both the US and Canadia governments decided today to open the border ASAP when would it actually open? Probably more realistic if they decided today to open the border on May 15 could they make that happen? If it was just open the border to operate as it did before Covid probably no big problems. If they decide on some crossing requirements such as proof of vaccination or having had the disease I suspect it would take quite a bit longer.
IMO, right now federal and provincial governments are looking for ways to really loosen restrictions simply because they know they will lose control come warmer weather. They know they first under, then over reacted. They know they've lost the trust of nearly all the citizenry. And they want us to forget how badly they handled the whole mess. They'll use vaccines as the reason they have re-opened. And they'll constantly remind us that disaster is just a sneeze away and that if not for their planning and leadership it would have been WAY worse.
They are deathly afraid that we will just open up ourselves and the great plague won't materialize. They have to seem to be in control.
And don't forget that the Three Stooges, Justy, Joe and the VP Hoe are all buds now and want to make each other look good.
Hey spike buck I think you have that backwards more like they have only actually administered that many in Ontario so far lol Seems like most info you get from forums on the internet !!!!
Timbrhuntr, I think you are mistaken. Ontario has received 2.3 million doses and has administered 1.8 million as of 3/26.
With that said, it doesn't mean they are 'sitting on 500,000 unadministered does'. The process isn't that efficient. Due to the requirements put in place on who is eligible it's possible some doses go unused and spoil. Among other reasons, some people have appointments and don't show up causing the dose to go unused.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/track-how-many-people-have-been-given-the-covid-19-vaccine-across-canada-1.5870573
I was being sarcastic I doubt Ontario is sitting on 500,000 unadmistered doses more like they can't give them out fast enough lol I believe 1,916,332 total doses administered but only 308,301 people fully vaccinated.
Interesting part is they say second shot should be given in a couple weeks but when you get the first they tell you you may get the second in around 4 months so what is it ?
3 to 4 weeks apart here, depending on which vaccine you're getting.
The recommendation by the drug companies is 3 weeks between doses for Pfizer and 4 weeks for Moderna. Because there is significant protection after the first dose there is disagreement over the best course of action. Do you get as many people as possible vaccinated at 70% immunity or get half as many at 95%? Canada is opting to get as many people as possible done at 70% as soon as possible.
Timbrhuntre, CBC was saying that the Ford Government was sitting on 500,000 vaccine doses that needs to get in the arms of Ontarioans. Reporter asked why is Ford asking for more doses when he still has not used the ones he's been given. Doug Ford has no idea what he is doing!!! On the News Thursday night and repeated again on Friday.
I hear ya man the whole thing is turning into a sad joke Justy on the fed side and Dougyboy on the Provincial side !!
Oh I almost missed the part were you said CBC lol credible source they are ! Anything Justy says network !
Montreal Gazette is reporting over a 1,000 new C-19 cases and the Ottawa Citizen is reporting a high concern for a third wave of cases. Canada's chief medical officer stated Saturday that stronger health orders across Canada are needed to suppress C-19 resurgence. Not looking good for any spring hunting so my bear group has asked our outfitter to push out hunts to spring 2022.
The way government on both sides of the border are operating, you might want to ask if you can push your hunt back to 2023. I'm only kind of kidding
Moose; totally agree about governments...they have become seriously useless! Given my age, 2023 might find me gone to the wild, blue yonder where all of God's creatures are B n C and P n Y. Just hoping for the best for all, but, knowing our outfitter; and I have hunted with him 12 times, he tells me he has had to go to work so his family can survive. He was offering a DIY situation but that would be just for a few of QC folk. WE did not book anything resembling DIY and he said all of his Am. clients have moved to 2022.
Let's say the border does open. The US requires a negative plague test within 72 hours of arrival at the border in order to enter back. How will the hunting and fishing resorts accommodate this need? The resort in MX my family is going to in May gives free tests and the proper documentation prior to our departure. They need the business from the US and have done what it takes to make travel possible for US citizens. I just don't see how this can play out well with those returning from fishing and hunting businesses in Canada.
Canada added over 5,000 new cases of COVID-19 for the second day in a row Friday, as federal health officials warned infections could rise even higher over the next few weeks.
How’s the situation in the USA, better or worse than Canada?
Thanks for the reply, Looks like we are on the same boat, we’re on lockdown until further notice, my best friend and neighbour is on the hospital in bad shape, I’m just bummed out
My prediction: Spring bear hunts done.
Summer fishing trips, nope.
Early sheep openers in July, probably not going to happen.
Hoping for August or September if all goes well. However, even if they flip the switch and open the border it’s not like all outfitters can just open their doors.
Let’s hope it opens soon.
People from the US won't travel into Canada if they can't get their Covid test to get home. Would any Canadian facility prioritize tests for people from the US? Would insurance cover the costs when out of country? People would have to disrupt their trip 3 days prior to departure to travel to a facility to be tested or extend their trip 3 days. This needs to be addressed before people will cross north. It's one thing to get across and another to get home. Have any of the resorts/outfitters got together to discuss this?
I don’t understand why Canada can’t put a program in place similar to Alaska. Test 3 days before entry. Isolate when you are there (that’s easy for us and what we are doing). Restrict stay to 14 days.
Heck you could restrict visitors from going to inside restaurants and large gatherings too.
Alaska has it figured out in my opinion. I went there steelhead fishing this fall. Worked extremely efficient.
If Canada’s rate of infection is similar to the US it would be the same risk as going state to state in US and Canada would get the lower risks of transmission with testing 3 days before entry
All levels of government in Canada have abdicated their responsibility to govern. Instead, opting to let health officials run the country. Officials who are myopically laser focused on only one thing.
It’s criminal!!
My prediction: Spring bear hunts done.
Summer fishing trips, nope.
Early sheep openers in July, probably not going to happen.
Hoping for August or September if all goes well. However, even if they flip the switch and open the border it’s not like all outfitters can just open their doors.
Let’s hope it opens soon.
We should start a new thread so we don’t have to scroll down for the latest info. It all opinion anyway
Latest news from Trudope is that all Canadians should be fully vaccinated by mid-August and I think US citizens will be fully vaccinated before that so Fall hunt chances looking better.
No way all Americans that want the vaccine will get it by August. No friggen way!
Vaccine is open to everyone 16 and older here in my state, starting Thursday of this week.
The issue won't be with regard to everyone who wants it being able to schedule it, but rather the issue could be with the millions who don't want it, or don't want to bother.
Do you believe anything Trudope says ? I sure don't !
Well the state of Pa is a mess. We are still in 1A status
I guess according to the news agencies, PA is a mess. Where I live in PA, I don't see it. I live in an Amish area, there's a meme running around with a news person questioning an Amish man without a mask. " Aren't you afraid of the corona virus?" He replied, "No, we don't have television"
Trudope only lies when his lips are moving. He learned the technique from Biden.
Oh I think he learned at his childhood bed side !
How could people know what an ass clown his old man was and exoect anything different from his whelp?
"No way all Americans that want the vaccine will get it by August. No friggen way!"
93 million Americans have already received at least one dose. They are currently vaccinating about 3 million people per day. There are around 260 million adults in America.
Midwest +1.
All who want it will easily have it by August. Already lots of leftover vaccine here where I live.
Canada has just announced that residents who wish to return to the country must be tested both before and after they get off the plane. If they fail the test, they must go to a government controlled camp to be quarantined. Try to avoid it, and they can be fined $1,000,000.
I would not put much faith in being able to get into the country for you hunts. TMBB
Rex Murphy's take on the situation Canada is in...
Rex Murphy's take on the situation Canada is in...
TORONTO -- The Ontario government is expected to announce Thursday that they will be implementing their “emergency brake” that will force the province into a month-long shutdown, CTV News Toronto has learned.
Multiple sources with direct knowledge of the decision confirmed the news Wednesday night.
According to the government’s guidelines, a shutdown—indicated as a sixth tier in the government’s framework—is similar to the old grey zone rules in which retail is allowed to open with strict capacity limits, indoor dining remains closed and gyms are shuttered.
Residents will not be able to gather with anyone outside of their household indoors and outside gatherings will be capped at five people, as long as physical distance can be maintained.
Yup about to chase the tail around in a circle for the third time !
The federal government should announce that they failed us by not getting us covid shots and how poor they've made this country
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The Govt should certainly do that, but they won’t. Today was the first day since this mess began where we feel as though it is almost totally behind us. I know that’s not totally true overall, but where I live with only 2 active cases and the world being 110% back to normal, that’s the way I feel.
It’s sickening to see Canada and their loser stupid dictator ruining the country and peoples lives. There isn’t a need for what is going on up there. The government will coverup their errors and the media who loves that scum bag piece of crap will do the same. As long as he smiles he gets a pass.
I was talking to a Canadian co-worker a couple of weeks back and he was really bothered by how poorly Canada was doing in securing vaccine pet alone getting it into arms. I feel like the US which is having its supply struggles is doing worlds better than Canada.
Canada chose to go with the EU on vaccine procurement over the US, which the european commission completely screwed up.........don't hold your breath.
Canada with its great leaders decided a while ago that scientific research and vaccine development wasn't required here we just get it from China like everything else !
My guide texted said border closed till May 20th
There is a lot of pressure being put on the govt to open. He’s guessing July 4th opening.
I'm saying not this summer based on Trudeau and how he's handled this crap. Hope like hell I'm flat wrong!
I can see Canada from my front door;normally lots of Canadian traffic for shopping ect. I would bet the don't open until "Spring of 2022".
That’s helpful Dan. Thanks
USA has put all of Canada on a no fly list.... CBC News. Ontario cases have gone down. Quebec is much better. Nova Scotia is increasing. Alberta has the most cases per capita than anywhere in Canada.
In the latest edition of the Michigan Outdoor News there was a warning for anglers fishing the Detroit River for walleyes not to stray into Canadian waters.
Seems the Canadian side of the river is holding the most fish and Americans are trying to cross the imaginary border line in the river to fish it. Those that get caught and don't mind their behavior when stopped are having their boats and gear confiscated and are being "Quarantined" in a Canadian jail cell for 2 weeks.
Precisely because the vaccine isn’t a vaccine at all and it isn’t effective at doing anything at all. If those vaccinated still carry and transmit the virus then how is it a vaccine??????????
And another thing the vaccine and the virus will be used to further isolate and divide up populations based upon the evil political climate that exists everywhere. Look no further than The EUs latest move. If you don’t see this for what it is you are lying to yourself
I read the eu was going to allow vaccinated us citizens to travel to Europe this summer. Maybe Canada will follow suit
Charlie, at 68 years old I got my first shot (Pfizer) a week ago. I'll get the second in 4 months (August) per the person that gave me the shot. Due to lack of competence by the federal gov't that orders the vaccines...we are behind the curve and the present plan certainly doesn't look like it will catch up any time soon. The decision to give one dose is to provide some protection for all want it before the second dose is administered.
The Canadian Government is a joke. Poor liberal leadership. Let’s call it what it is. It’s a pile of cowards who the wimps voted in. The real hard working people can’t stand what is going on up there.
Oh wait, it’s our country too.....
Let’s open the border.
I get my first dose of Moderna made in Michigan on Wednesday. No idea when the next one will be given. I have faith in the vaccine. Not in Trudeau. Trudeau back in March 2020, signed a deal with China for a vaccine. Then China and Canada got mad at each other and Canada canceled the contract. A waste of 4 months. Glad was cancelled because China's vaccine is only 40% efficacy.
Trudeau is a drama teacher.... has no idea how to handle a pandemic. Problem is, he will get voted right back in thanks to our "New" Canadians!!
Trudeau idolizes India...
The talk is no complete covid vaccinations then your not getting into Canada. So my question is my wife has a blood clot disorder and has had a stroke but we have fished canada for 9 years . If i get the shots i can go but not her as the doctor told her not to vaccinate?
Trudope just shut all flights from India on Saturday. Was very reluctant
That picture reminds me of a game: Can you find the five "pirates" (bodyguards)?
Or: Can you find the Prince and Princess of Canada in the crowd?
I must be going nuts from being "locked in" my small northern community since December, LOL!
Casper - your wife is not getting it for her protection. totally her choice.
Canada may tell people they have to have it when coming in to their country in order to protect others. Countries allow non-residents in as a privledge not a right. the reasons why someone does not get it (is not protected) makes no difference to those around that person who may be exposed.
All choices or decisions come with possible consequences and possible benefits that need to be factored in. In this case both parties could be not only within their rights, but actually be right. Your wife's best health decision is to not get it. Canada's best decision may be to not expose their people to travelers who are welcome as a priviledge who did not get it.
It’s the United States of America, for now. Nobody has to explain their choices to anyone else. Likewise nobody has the right to force people to do things especially if it has the potential to affect their health.
Have a nice day. Not forcing you to.... just a suggestion.
Just curious...have any of the folks out there who forgo the vaccine for Covid caught polio or DPT lately? My generation was smallpox vaccinated. You can preach freedom all you want...but the first elementary class I taught as a teacher had a very nice young man who had no use of his legs as his parents had refused the vaccine. His classmates hauled him around in a small wagon and the school nurse cared for his daily needs. I always felt his parents took from him his freedom by that decision!!! Open the borders to those fully vaccinated!
Well....if it's an option, Canadian folks up north could always try to do a recall on JT. I just seen on the news the recall folks in California just reached their required goal of 1.6 million signatures to force the recall. No fear....
JT has done nothing for Canada. Trump could not drain the Swamp here and President 'Harris' has vanished. Biden may well cause more problems than George III did in the colonies. CA's governor should resign and open the election...NY's governor should just plain quit and face the coming lawsuits/criminal charges...Kerry should be charged with Treason if leaked Israel/Iran/Syria info were to prove true. Everything that can be done to maintain our political, social, and economic status with Canada must be expedited immediately. More vaccinations are the necessary part of the answer. P.S. Term limits for Congress.
JL, JT just passed a non confidence vote yesterday. Other parties wont cause an election during a pandemic. So we are stuck with him for a bit more time.
Spike....do you mean the voters lost confidence in him or he still has their confidence?
No, means that the other parties took a vote on or against the budget that Trudeau just announced. JT survived the vote. No election. We already know Trudeaus bad policy's. Will the conservatives be just as bad or worse?? Ford is a conservative, Ontario is all screwed up!! Ford called in the Army today.
I think the big question is "We the border open at all this year?"
If Canada or anywhere else makes being vaccinated to go a requirement, they can count me out.
Tavis; if you were younger and good looking enough to pass for me, I’d let you use my passport. Use my tags too.
OTTAWA -- When fully vaccinated Canadians might be able to safely resume international travel without quarantines, and whether Canada will only reopen its borders to vaccinated foreign nationals remain questions the federal government says it’s not ready to answer. According to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, the federal government is still looking “very carefully” at the likely prospect of vaccine passports— requiring some form of proof of vaccination to travel— but his focus remains on seeing Canada come out of the still-surging third wave.
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Love the perfect quotes. It shows the cowards who lead Canada. (US Too).
Those jackasses don’t make waves. Pure cowards. Canada has no leader. He follows the sad wave of fear that he created.
Sad
why do people still act like this thing is a death sentence to the masses if contracted. It never has been and it most certainly is not now and the odds of contracting are smaller and smaller every day anyway.
I don't know Bou, but it needs to end!
"why do people still act like this thing is a death sentence to the masses if contracted."
The media and the left who perpetuate the drama and misinformation are too far vested in the hysteria that brought down the US economy and got a potato elected President, to ever soften on this issue. It would be akin to admitting they were wrong...or worse corrupt.
I don;t know Bou............................................why am I required to get tested twice a week now even AFTER I have been vaccinated?! I work in a healthcare facility on the nursing home unit. The main reason I got the vaccination was that I was told at the time I would not have to be tested after getting vaccinated, and also so I did not pass the virus to others. About 3 weeks ago they stated we have to be tested now because it IS possible to contract COVID after being vaccinated. If I had known that from the beginning I probably would not have gotten the vaccine as I wasn;t really taking it for ME. I'm young and healthy. The crazy thing is workers are tested twice a week but they just resumed visitation last week and visitors to the nursing home are not required to be vaccinated OR tested. Makes absolutely no sense! : (
There are more borders closed in Canada right now to "non-essential" (whatever they can decide what that means) than there were when this thread was started.
We know the Canada U.S. border is closed - and, as we also know the Ontario/Quebec border is closed... but then the northwestern Quebec borders are closed to everyone including other Quebecers, and the James Bay Cree communities (where I live) have been closed since December. There are probably more closed borders that I don't know about.
That's not counting curfews everywhere, social distancing, masks, no visiting, limited number of people together... and I'm most likely leaving something out. What else can they subject us to?
I'm not being sarcastic, but are things improving in Canada and the U.S.?
I remember when Harper was leading the country and during the banking crisis a few years our banking system was held up as one of the best managed now with wonderboy we have legal mj but our covid crisis management is worse than a third world nation !
Ken...in reading your post this morning I would have to agree with your question. I do not believe that things are improving at all. Those not vaccinated are seriously exposed and younger age groups are contracting it. Both the boss and I are vaccinated and are leaving to summer in NY along the St. Lawrence River. The area there is experiencing increased active cases AND deaths. My state has stopped reporting daily new cases and deaths... The credibility of the media and government agencies is about zero. As a more enjoyable note; I have passed through far up Northwestern QC twice and have hunted numerous parks in QC and the herds far up. Sad that the younger generations may not be able to experience the hunts for caribou and fish the lakes and streams for trout. Most memorable day was the day I had a client w/me and he marveled at a small stream with countless brookies that we crossed.
Everyone's got their favorite narrative, but you gotta question the science & logic of a closed border. If there was no virus in one or the other country, a closed border could make sense. But when both countries already have a similar, small, widely-distributed amount of it, how does setting a line of "do not cross here" make much sense? Are we saying that political/governmental boundaries mark a magic line of demarcation to impede spread of a pandemic which is already minimally active on both sides of said line? Down here we're long past stopping people from flooding across any one state border into another state, even for non-essential travel like vacations. Because no compelling logic was found to justify otherwise. IMO continuing even now to keep the USA/CAN border closed illustrates that management of this thing is still being done for politics rather than science.
Hmm in my province they are shipping hospital patients hundreds of miles to other hospitals because they don't have enough ICU beds seems a bit more than minimally active !!
Yeah the point is it's on both sides of the border. Letting someone cross those imaginary lines doesn't seem to me like it will make a difference at this point. Especially someone who is vaccinated. In my opinion staying closed going forward is a complete joke and causing way more harm than good.
My gut predicts opening in the spring of 2022 unless/or until 80% of populations are fully vaccinated. As a kid we were not given options for vaccines. Couldn't get into college unless all shots were up-to-date! Crossing either way and having to quarantine is not a $$$ option!
Got hopeful news from my Canadian moose guide today
Talk is the border opens in July for vehicle crossing and August for air travel.
We should know soon on July. Crossing my fingers
