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Where are Bowsiter's on this large run at the 2nd Amendment? There are several states as I write this will bills going before there legislators for state constitutional amendments that would pre-empt any Anti Gun Bill coming out the beltway.

Tank

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Hope some of those fools come here to confess how ignorant they were.

Like here, we have the signatures to put on the ballot (special election) for the recall of Gruesome Newsom...Now all of a sudden ‘signatures’ must be matched/verified! Funny how that works...Dem’s will lie and cheat, it’s in their DNA! Lol

The thing about people is they have short memories. And, even smaller comprehension abilities. Because ole Joe was the first Democrat screaming about stricter gun control on “automatic” weapons after several shootings during Obama’s tenure. And, he will likely continue with it now.

He is a politician. Which means he is the dirtiest whore in the street by default. Add in his typical practices, and he’s surely going to follow the Democrat party on this one. If history has any bearing.

trophyhill X2

My first AR lower to build around was delivered last friday. I own a couple dozen or so guns but my first AR. (Aero Precision M4E1in FDE Cerakote, so it's not even a black gun =D) It's insane even trying to find one right now. Putting it together piece by piece. Magpul furniture and for now I installed the basic Aero lower hardware kit. Seems any and all parts for these things on backorder. Most anyway, especially if looking for specific hardware. Have gone through dozens of online sites.... all pretty much out of everything. Prices a good deal higher than they were last year when I started researching. It's really a very cool platform, enjoying working on it and learning about it. A shame if it doesn't know how to swim though, I'm on boats a fair amount.....

Have to admit.... The current political climate tipped my scales into not just buying another gun, but this specific gun. Building one SHTF 223 wylde upper and another in 6.5 grendel for pig control. One of the few things I'll pick up a gun for. Pigs and scum.....

Apparently President Houseplant is a better gun salesman than even that clean black guy was..... Called in to make an appointment (covid rules) to get my Permit to Acquire (a HI thing) early last October.... next available date, my date, was Jan 6th, almost 3 months. Lots of folks in line to buy guns for a democrat state I'd have to say....

Ain't happenin'. Those days are over. They used the Covid fear mongering to get their mail-in vote fraud established and it ain't goin' NOWHERE. They know they have the winning hand now forever. They stripped us of our freedom without a shot being fired...for now.

After reading some of your posts I think you are just the person to free Hawaii of this overbearing oppressive and corrupt state government and its unconstitutional laws.

Have heard that if nothing can get thru Senate Uncle crotchity could make changes to the NCIS and sales by Exec Order. In other words stalling out the massive sales of fireams. The Californian Congress is working hard with the help of Ned Lamont of CT to be sure.

Tank

Not debating what you said but I am just trying to understand why you chose to add those words to your post.

Just want to know so I can explain it to my 7 year old granddaughter who we're caring for this weekend while parents are out of town and happened to look at this post.

1... Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. "assault weapon" etc. That's what they are, the fact that you think they should be called a "sporting rifle" doesn't really help in you trying to prove your point as to why they should not be banned. Comes off as logical as the a lefty saying the 2nd is only for militias. 2... Boebert is garbage and stealing from the tax payers. 20k$ in mileage, oddly the amount her restaurant is in debt for? Also classic "rules for thee not for me" type of chick. 3... No SCOTUS did not rule " if a gun is popular you can't ban it". That was a singular opinion from one justice taken out of context on a broad category of guns (handguns to be specific). 4... not sure I have ever seen a comment from a left leaning bowsite member saying they are never going to try to ban AR15 style guns 5... also sadly most crimes(not domestic) involving guns are from stolen guns. Like for instance the one involving a 14 year old in my town who smoked a random lady with a stolen AR 15(gun type kind of irrelevant to be honest in this case). He had been arrested multiple times with weapons violations at age 14! I mean *scat*, local gun shops are against a proposed law that says they have to secondarily lock up their display stock in a safe at the end of the day. they are resisting that. Like yeah! I a gun and ar15 owner think you should have to lock up your guns extra. I mean, If the only thing i need is a rock and I can steal all your guns by simply smashing a building window and a display case than yeah that's unacceptable.

Perhaps if the elected officials on the right stopped supporting coups and overthrows of government and giving a platform for looney bin conspiracy theorists(boebert, taylor green, etc) than more people would be inclined to vote for them and dems wouldn't have a 3 way majority.

*Fudge*, I don't like many of the policies of democrats and have never voted for a dem for president but *scat*, I won't be casting a vote for a republican anytime soon. If that means I have to hide my ar15 because dems were able to institute a ban on them, than so be it. It's sad when the current dems have more American principles and than the traitorous GOP does.

Thanks for being another powder/primer stockpile guy who buys way more than he needs resulting in normal people having none to buy...

Welp, if you vote like an idiot, you're the problem dude...

that's the dangest thing you said. It's the same thing I heard from my left leaning friends and family. "If you don't vote for candidate A, it's a vote for candidate B"

in your case "if you don't vote for B it's a vote for A"

Boebert was elected because gun rights are under assault constantly. I know some are scared of a society with freedom and personal accountability. It comes with risks for sure. The benefits far outweigh the risks in the big picture.

I agree with most of what you said. The justice system is largely failed. I was more or less bringing it up to point out resistance to literal common sense gun laws. Should Ar's be banned? No I don't think so. Should gun stores have to actually secure their merchandise? yes

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also boebert is the problem. Sorry, the ends do not justify the means. She is a puppet bought and paid for by big oil and big guns... which is also the main issue in all of politics to begin with(big money). She's been arrested multiple times, resisted arrest and skipped out on court appearances. Truth be told about on par with the current right's definition of "law and order". She is a "do as I say, not as I do" She has the guise of pro gun pro law an order, but she is trash.

That's what they were in the 1950s. But they have not been used in war (except the war on coyotes) since about 1962. Lefties like you want to call them "assault weapons" to bolster the narrative, which is a lie.

So simple even a Democrat can figure it out.....well....maybe not.

and, so nicknick ur like divisive tone and rhetoric & like mischaracterizations are making me uncomfortable and stuff?!?

& soooo, like ur bogus registration and like totally flagrant abuse of other forum rules makes me want to sort of just have u cancelled?!? maybe fired from ur job too & stuff?!?

Original AWB exempted Ruger mini-14 and mini-30, as William Ruger is big democratic party donor.

I try not to marginalize this effort. This is about control, but only controlling law abiding citizen,and nothing else.

And I don't like Bobert. She is a crumb. Take a look at her criminal background and what het neighbors have to say about her.. She doesn't get a free pass because of her being pro-2nd amendment. Her democrat opponent was a bigger crumb. So it was truly a case of lesser or two evils.

This statement is where you stop any conversation with a fool. If it is stupid enough to believe the media and politicians he’s not worth discussing anything with.

That right there is how we need to re-focus the argument.

Congress needs to listen to the majority. The overwhelming majority are law,abiding. Why do they make laws,that penalize law abiding citizens?

My Ak47 never assaulted anyone. It doesn't get up in the morning contemplating to assault people, and then go out and do it on It's own volition

I'd like to suggest to you all that semi-automatic firearms are nothing more than a higher performance firearm. Banning them is like banning a high performance Corvette because a drunk driver killed someone in an accident with one. We dont ban the Corvette, we prosecute the offender.

And by the way, an reckless use of a vehicle, especially driving under the influence kills more people than firearms. Why not a campaign to ban cars then? And cars are not protected by the constitution.

"Permits to Acquire" are good for one year, so I'm in the Police dept where you get it fairly regularly. A couple years ago the lady said, "wow, you own a lot of guns! why do you have so many?" I told her "because I can....." A couple years ago they made it far more invasive.... required fingerprinting and a mug shot, along with birth certificate and drivers license to register with the new system (which cost about $40). Literally treated you like a criminal being booked. We fought it but it went through. Along with the common leftist statement of "well, if you're not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have anything to worry about...." Well why am I being treated like I'm being booked for breaking a law already, I've done nothing wrong. Crickets.

I am a member of the Hawaii Firearms Coalition. We are in the middle of a fight with new state bills right now. "Assault Weapons" ban, mag restrictions, etc. I email my reps, do what I can to make my voice heard, as actual hearings are on another island. But here it is surely all uphill and against the wind...

FTFY....

Words....well, they mean things. An assault weapon is select fire between full auto and semi-auto. Its typically an intermediate power round. A detachable mag does not make it an assault weapon. Nor does a pistol grip or a vertical foregrip. It's no more an assault weapon than my .308 with a 4x16 Vortex scope is a sniper rifle.

According to the CDC there IS a product that currently causes ~90,000 deaths per year. Entirely legal. No background check, no purchase limit. Only requirement is age. It's a product that causes roughly 180X the number of deaths than ALL long guns including those evil assault rifles. I can purchase it at the grocery store, gas station....

LOL! That's awesome. Perfect! Made my day..... instead of using pronouns we can use rifle, pistol, shotgun and go from there into identifying actions, auto, semi-auto, bolt, lever, (oh!) pump..... I'm not sure what part of the alphabet my savage 24 20ga/223 would fit into..... but I love it just the same.....

Andy,

First of all, where in my post did I post an opinion on either topic? I did not.

Second, which new Federal gun laws have affected you in the past 10 years? 20 years?

Lastly, which anti-abortion laws have actually stuck past SCOTUS review in the past 10 years? 20 years?

My point is there’s a lot of hand wringing, hyperbole, bills presented, bills passed, etc. But the net effect has been close to nothing over my adult life.

I had to drive 30 miles to the WY state line to sell a gun to one of my closest friends. Next we'll be violating a soon-to-be enacted "safe storage" law. Colorado is as screwed as the other blue states.

It's questionable which of the two (State vs Federal) is more onerous or caries more weight. But the subject of early 2021 is Federal gun laws.

And a 50/50 Senate is less than Democrats need to enact anything meaningful.

I'm probably on their watch list now. If I disappear that's why. But at least I won't be alone.

Trump was stymied by the filibuster when he held both houses.

I wonder if Democrats are really looking at the long game because as I've heard before majorities come and go and Republicans could soon be in charge with no filibuster.

Could you imagine a nationwide abortion band or right to work law with a simple majority in the Senate? Be careful for what you wish for...

I fear that will never happen again Mike, because with the mail-in vote fraud now being part of our election system, a Republican will never win another major race of significance.

The fix is in. We've been shafted.

What we are now hearing is that Slow Joe or the Camel Toe will over regulate the sales of firearms. Even face to face sales whereby they can stall out the NCIS system or crash it effectively stopping mass gun sales. I know, I know, after a certain time limit the sale can go thru. That will be addressed in the regulation to federally stop a sales cold.

I was a huge Jobber in my area this week. Just a warehouse that sells wpns nationally online, (no instore), well I know a guy . . . . When, I pull up to the Urban camo'ed building the was a USPS and Fed Ex truck in the small space and both trucks were filled to the roof with small boxes about 12x16". Inside they were boxing HG's so fast it was like a GMC assembly line.

Just like the Border problem, our new Crotchity in Chief Joe has created the largest weapon buying machine since the communists started selling Kalishnikov's. Its like a Weapon Pandemic and Biden and the dems are going to try anything to get it stopped. The Border, not so much.

Knock knock

Who’s there

Yes sir we are here to collect your AR 15 and all the ammo

........................what do they think is gonna happen

"Who’s there

Yes sir we are here to collect your AR 15 and all the ammo

........................what do they think is gonna happen"

Thats not what they will do - the Democrats learned their lesson with Ruby Ridge and Waco - public nightmares, even the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) ordeal where "friends" showed up.

Democrats will legislate everything - laws and taxes. Additionally, you will have to insure and certify/register each firearm each year and pay a small tax each year on each firearm. Don't comply you say, now you lost your health insurance! Since the new gun laws will be tied to medical for the health and safety of children. Now your wife and kids can't get their prescriptions because of your guns. You wont be able to afford ammo and if you do - you'll be buried in paperwork, don't comply - fined and jail time. Get caught with an unregistered gun - court case, fined and jail time. But the guns (all but the black ones) will still be there on the shelves to buy and they can still say they "dont want to take your guns away".

Tank

Assault weapons banned by politicians and people that don't have the spine to actually ban assault by the groups like Anitfa and BLM. Endless stupidity....

California and NY would be way out front on this but like the old saying "give em enough rope" has come to fruition. They are facing huge voter revolts since Nov 3rd and have no room to move on 2A like they would like.

If we look at the time line for this to get done before 2022 it is very short. This Border Chaos will blow up when it warms and will eat lots of time up in the legislative calendar for sure. Then, you have to think the backlash for so called Dems in moderate districts are in a fight for 2022 and that politicing must start by September 21. Yep, this will be mostly talk and executive actions I believe.

I hope this wild Dem sweeping GvT by Exec order is remembered by even Conservative everywhere. Take note and have a plan when time comes. Please people (do not listen to Paul Ryan's or Mitt Romney's with respect to our 2A rights.

Tank

The reason it will always be true is more obvious than you think. That statement is not talking about the current outlaws it is talking about all of those current law abiding gun owners that will not give up their guns on the effective date of that law. When that day comes my friends it will get beyond bad if it is enforced to the letter of the law.

My suggestion is to prepare yourselves for the fight but in the mean time also be pro-active in not allowing it to come to that.

Let’s look at Chicago....

These guys had some first hand experience on why citizens need to be armed.

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

You should take time to watch the movie Red Dawn.

"You would last < 5 minutes, with or without a semiautomatic firearm once the swat team sends in flash bangs, tear gas, and K9's"

We're still in 'stan ain't we? Basically what you're saying is they would need literally thousands of coordinated confiscations across the nation. Cuz ya might pull that shit off once or twice on random locations. Third time might not go as planned.

"I said I was basically neutral on the issue but then people started getting ignorant towards me on the issue..."

No. People challenged your position and your feelings got hurt.

Reality. They know this and are slowly chipping away at the ability to own a firearm. Mostly on local and state levels. However, if this goes through, it’s hard to tell where it goes and what it will leave in its wake.

Yes, there are a lot of people who won’t care one way or the other. There are some who’d sell their soul to stay alive. And, there are quite a few who’d take it for the threat it is. Including the men sent to take them. It’d get ugly pretty quickly.

Well you got that part right.

Perhaps you can recommend a good IPA.

I'm more worried about what I'll draw this year...

They are trying to buy us, and divide us. Just look at the recent stimulus package. Covid relief? Only 9% went to that. And only 1% went to vaccine. But they are starting from scratch? How about the part that gives $$ only to minority farmers? Not All farmers that need it, just minorities.

They moved the wall from Mexico to DC. All those troops? Why do they need that protection? What are they planning? Why are they so afraid? Treasonous? Treasonous is right. They are drunk with power. The 2A is there to keep them in check, because they work for us.

New riots in Portland. And of course no one arrested! But we, Americans for the preservation of America are domestics terrorist who need to be checked? Utter brainwashed nonsense.

This is not about public safety. If it was, they would go heavier against the criminals with guns. Background checks? How many mass shooters were in their sites, but were still able to purchase or get guns? Clean up Chicago and the other murderous cess pools, then you can bring this argument to the table. Still not gonna listen, but would be a good start.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

The majority of career politicians that now are in control of this country will stop at NOTHING to get even more power over us and further deny us what they have no authority to according to the Constitution.

Who do we see about that? When it comes down to it, the answer is simple.....US!!!

No one is claiming an individual will out-gun the govt. However, news will spread that some stood against tyranny and others will follow. Many govt actors will (hopefully) not engage citizens.

To not stand up is akin to agreeing to be loaded into railcars. That doesn't work for some of us.

Maybe start with The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers and many of The Founders' other writings.

Understanding history is a powerful tool for combating ignorance and apathy.

First a necessary realignment as to perspective..... the Government, both left and right as humans in power always try to do..... has attempted to brainwash it's citizens to believe Rights are GRANTED by the government. The entire Bill of Rights is based on the fact these rights are endowed on man by God, not government.... inalienable, cannot be transferred or surrendered, explicitly denied to do so by government. And is in fact a list of RESTRICTIONS on the government. Things the government is not allowed to infringe on, not under any circumstances. It is up to the citizens to keep their GOVERNMENT in check..... not the other way around.

Any discussion as to Rights needs be based and focused on that premise..... not a false premise that the government "grants" any rights at all. Or has any "rights" of it's own for that matter. That's a BIG deal and never in the history of world has it been stated much less enshrined as the foundation and basis of forming a country. Government exists for the people and in protection of their stated Rights. Not to dictate what rights they allow and what rights they do not. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear. They will TRY to infringe and dictate rights, it's the nature of man and power. The Framers knew that, they studied history and human nature. And tried to empower it's citizens, gave them tools to help prevent the government from overthrowing it's citizens.

People think they can do and say only what the government ALLOWS them to. Gosh, I wonder how that may have happened..... In any discussion over Constitutional Rights it is a false premise, anything that follows along those lines of thought are false as well.... no matter how anyone wants to twist and turn and deceive with what follows. All the lies and deceit are for one purpose..... to remove your rights, entrench and fortify their control and power.

Honestly...... 2020 has literally given them a map and playbook of how to do just that. And have proven to many just how easily the people will stand down, fall in line and hand over their rights..... and justify it all to themselves and those around them.....

Too many people forget that *everybody* has rights. What many (most) do NOT have is a *proper* government, one *constituted* to *protect* those rights, and limited to doing so. We in the US have/had one, but some people want to give that government more power to make themselves feel safer. And that can (has) spiral out of control.

(And that does _not_ apply solely to 'gun control'.)

Tank

TD drops mike.........walks off stage.

Rsquared truly frightens me, because there are millions like him out there who are painfully clueless, yet get to vote.

We are all going to see the 1995 gun ban regulated upon the population not by Congress but by fiat in the WH. States that have there stuff together are right now crafting State Constitutional Amendments for weapons carry, ownership and zero gun free zones. I would encourage all to call or write your state Reps to have them craft such legislation and demand a State Mandatory Constitution Convention and change vote swiftly. Tank

Here is Wikipedia clip:

On January 26, 2016, law enforcement officers attempted to arrest Finicum and other occupation leaders while they were traveling on a remote highway to meet with supporters in the next county. When Finicum's truck was finally stopped by a roadblock, he exited the vehicle into deep snow, making two motions to his jacket while yelling for police to shoot him, which they did. Officers later found a loaded weapon in his pocket.

Prior to the occupation, Finicum lived in Arizona where he made a living as a foster parent and operated a no-income cattle ranch. In Finicum’s own account, Finicum and his wife apparently get almost all or all of their income from being foster parents. His ranch in Chino Valley, Arizona is break even at best and generates no income.

This guy is a bad choice to use as a reference to prove a point. Made a living off the taxpayers as a supposed foster parent. I wonder who was taking care of those kids we were paying for while he was out occupying public lands.

Once you know some basics you can see that any politician or media source that says we need to ban assault weapons is bold face lying to you and using made up words to strike fear and manipulate you. An AR functions just like any other semi-auto. They claim it's something it's not based on how it looks (black and scary) instead of it's actions. Wonder how that would go for them if they did the same thing with people?

One more thing; we are all innocent until proven guilty. This is a huge concept in our guarantee of freedoms. It is a wrong to assume I'm capable of murder because of something I've purchased. Owning something does not make someone immoral or corrupt, or worthy of discrimination against.

I don't know you, you plead ignorance (which is valid). But surely innocence until guilty, the right to personal defense, and freedom are principles you can place enough importance on to do some research. Good luck to ya.

All US soldiers were once civilians. Most all US soldiers are Patriots. Most all US civilians who support 2A are Patriots. Patriots defend our Nation, the US. Therefore, I deduce Patriots need weapons of war to defend our Nation, the US. Some of us are unable to join the US military as soldiers. But most all of us who are US Patriots are able to defend our nation, the US, by pulling a trigger. BE THAT PATRIOT. And defend your 2A RIGHTS as a US citizen or soldier. Nuff said.

You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

And if we have a government that DOESN'T TRUST IT'S OWN PEOPLE with weapons of "war" or anything else, then that's EXACTLY WHY WE NEED THEM!!!!

My .45 came out quickly and the unsuspecting thug quickly left the scene after I told him if he comes within 10 feet I’m shooting. His partner left as soon as he saw the .45. Obviously I didn’t have to tell him......so to answer WW, no harsh words are not going to deter thugs and tyrants...... A guy a was talking to earlier said it best. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Then you are left with only the harsh words WW mentioned

It is called illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Both voting and baring arms are constitutional rights but many are only up in arms by the infringement on one of these.

I dunno........seems to have worked pretty good for the liberals over the last 15 or 20 years.

And... riots, looting and arson... excuse me, Mostly Peaceful Protests, occurred for months without sociopathic police departments or federal agents violently suppressing them... but if gun owners refuse to comply and say, “Leave me alone.”... then SWAT teams (Wait a minute, they’re defunded) or the US Military (Forget Posse Comitatus) is going to attack with tanks, helicopters, stealth fighters and tactical nukes?

What percentage of cops and armed service members do the Leftists believe will be compliant in waging war with US citizens? Do they really believe that Skippy and Tiffany from ANTIFA are going to swell the ranks?

Skippy and Tiffany are good for flinging poo, graffiti, and hitting unarmed people with bike locks, but they don’t seem to stand fast in the face of determined opposition.

I suspect that the Dems and their Marxist dreamers will push as far as they can. I suspect that they will obtain some of their “wish list” goals. Short term.

But remember the old adage. “Be careful what you wish for”

I think that they will be surprised by the push back they awaken when they go too far.

And I’m not even talking about crazy stuff. Normal, regular, conservative-leaning people I know, who’ve never been interested in being politically active other than voting are talking about driving people to polls and volunteering for campaign work, poll watching etc.

The Leftist crowd thinks that they’re the real deal because they make the most noise and more Conservative and Libertarian leaning people want to be left alone and have been more complacent, but they are awakening the ire of regular, hard working people.

"Don't need weapons of war...." LIKE HELL WE DON"T!!!!

"Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning." True...That's not the answer. We don't need to ban them from voting, we just need to out-number them.

Just remember there are plenty of God fearin', small government, pro life, gun totin', low taxin' conservative bowsiter's who vote Democrat because the "Republican party is not what it used to be."

Buy what you always wanted now as it may not be there in the fall.

Tank

I’m still happy with my vote against Trump. Many reasons why but considering January 6th I don’t feel I need to justify my vote to any Trumplican or any traitors that participate in the insurrection.

I hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship.

Exactly!! A most fitting punishment for those that seek to disarm us.

As a leader...yes. Finally a president’s speech or press conference that’s positive.

“You agree with everything going on with the southern border?”

No, I do not agree with everything. Obviously Biden’s election and message is only increasing people trying to cross the border. I do not agree that illegals wait in the U.S. for trial but rather should remain in Mexico....for example.

“How about those gas prices?”

Seriously, I thought gas was a supply and demand commodity. How much affect does a president really have on gas prices.

“What has he done that is so great?”

He got rid many of the unqualified crony idiots in Trumps cabinet. He reversed many of Trumps environmental deregulation policies I disagreed with.

Do you own every decision, policy, and action of Trump and his supporters that are radical? Do you support the January 6th insurrection? Proud boys, Oath Keepers, white nationalist...do you answer for their actions? Do you support the highest national deficit of any president in history (of which Trump has the record)?

Cmon Ryan...really?

In China you can't own a gun. That's rough but you cant use Google, FB or Twitter there either. Maybe the CCP really are only half bad. Tank

Guns are going nowhere. The 2A ain’t changing and then there is SCOTUS. Every amendment has limits. I support the 2A but it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments..

Orion- still waiting on your reply. Do you and all other right wingers own January 6th?

Thornton- you don’t need me or anyone else to make you look bad. You do a bang up job yourself, Seriously, taking vet meds...

Once again the liberal loon sounds off in all of his ignorance...

As long as there is a quantifier you don't support the 2A. At least no in the manner the FF intended. We know it. You know it. We know that you know it. You just won't admit it.

"....it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments."

No, but it IS the lynchpin around which the others revolve. The FF fully understood what a malevolent and tyrannical government was. I think they also understood that it's the natural evolution of government to move towards oppression and less, not more liberty. But there are always those that are willing to roll over, piss themselves like little puppies to appease their master, petted on the head and told "good boy."

I'm not a good boy.

These folks put social justice and engineering above actual God-given, Constitutional rights. Their votes and views are no longer surprising since they lead with their depravity anyway.

At least it makes it easy to spot the sheep in wolf's clothing.

"Hey, l know you just swung that bat at my head, but I ducked it..... no harm, not a problem, I know in your heart you were only swinging it at me for my own good....."

good grief.... stupid can be dealt with by a bit of knowledge, common sense and honesty ..... disingenuous OTOH....

Like picking out Smarties. “ ...ok, we need some brown ones, some yellow ones, some red ones and some rainbow skittles....”

If the Border thing had not gone Nucelar so fast our 2A rights would have already been dismissed and cancelled to some degree by regulation. We have dodged this but by what? A huge Crisis of human suffering at border.

Two years give or take for 12 more years or more of America first policies. I can live with this. I do have plenty of popcorn and if this Administration runs outta rope and they might, we know where they can get some more. Borrow it from the California Voters.

For like minded Bowsiters and it would seem this forum is full to brim with them I encourage you look at Dan Ball Real America on OANN very clearly the next Rush on TV and a Marine. If you cant get on TV just get him OANN on Rumble. You'll really some real reporting and America first from a guy that's stood a watch or pulled a guard.

Tank

There are no exceptions to this. Whether we are talking a Musket, a shotgun, a .45 or an AR. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Just ask anyone in Australia, or Canada, or New Zealand.....

Biden could molest someone and Nuke Canada and these fools would still refuse to admit they screwed up.

So true. Biden’s strong point was going to be his foreign affairs expertise Right. North Korea won’t talk to him, He insulted Russia right from the first, China is laughing their ass off at America and using the Woke BLM culture against us and we obviously no longer have a southern border and Biden has no clue on ANY of it. BUT there are no mean butt hurting Tweets anymore Great choice BS Libs.

I agree! One caveat, I hope the new batch of conservatives/Republicans (not sure they are the same any more) learn from history that it is better to speak softly and carry a big stick than to shout constantly and lose an election.

Tell that a felon and I’m pretty sure they will explain that there is an exception. Or maybe ask someone under 18. Every single right granted by constitutional amendments have qualifiers, exceptions, or a “but” or whatever you want to call it. There are limits to all rights.

Jackaroo- Do you even know what insurrection means?

“Insurrection- a violent uprising against an authority or government.”

You know your logic is twisted when you try to excuse or justify someone beating a Capitol police officer with a Blue Lives Matter flag and pole. It’s also funny how “Radical Islamic Terrorist” roles off the tongue or Antifa Terrorists are called out (rightfully so) but right wing nuts squirm when the terrorists are domestic and voted for the same presidential candidate.

Still can't smell the dog poop on your shoes yet huh? Or maybe you just won't because it's easier to pretend it's not there then to have to deal with it.

I believe there should be waiting periods.

AR's should be banned. Who needs a weapon of war to hunt deer?

High capacity mags should be banned.

Close the gun show loop hole. Although background checks ARE run at gun shows. We still need to close "that" loophole.

Strengthen red flag laws. Because we should deny rights, based on possible jaded testimony, without and charges ever being filed.

CCW should be changed from "shall issue" to "may issue".

ALL guns should be registered.

Gun purchases limited to one per month.

Tax on ammo for victims of the ongoing gun violence epidemic.

Ammo purchases should be limited. After all, how clips full of ammo do you need to hunt deer?

That about cover it?

I suggest two things in between jumping to conclusions.

#1. Look up the definition of sarcasm.

#2. Re-read my previous posts.

Hope the hamstring heals quickly.

Tom is being sarcastic.

Lou, the election wasn’t stolen, and he would get even less votes today. I am not the one who can’t face reality Lou, the fact is you cannot accept the majority does not think like you.

Take the same platform minus the constant drama and conservatives will kick booty in ‘22 and ‘24, especially given what this team has been serving up. And you know how accurate my predictions have been.

Yep, Bowbender, that's what our center-left posing friends believe. Nailed it.

Praying now for all the victims in Boulder.

Here are some facts the fools refuse to admit.

Trump created the best overall economy in more than 50 years:

Employment: PBS News Hour confirmed that this is the best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, more jobs and rising wages.

GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.

Wages: The Washington Post even surrenders to the fact that Trump is the first president to improve wages in a generation where income is at an all-time high. Stock Market: CNN says the stock market has roared more than 40% since Trump’s election.

Gas and Fuel Prices: Gas prices are low in most U.S. states that don't over-tax fuel with local and state taxes. Many states have $2.15 per gallon gasoline right now. Gas prices may fall this summer according to the latest news.

Ethnic Employment Success: The employment success for all ethnicities is at record high. Obama had difficulty creating jobs and many people gave up looking for work.

Manufacturing Jobs: Manufacturing jobs are back in the U.S. for the first time in a generation. Trump created 284,000 manufacturing jobs in 2018. Forbes implied that millions of manufacturing jobs were lost during Obama’s first 2 years in office. Some 1 in 6 were lost between January 2008 and March 2010 and Obama never got those jobs back.

Taxes and Regulatory: Corporate taxes were cut from 35% to 21%. America moved from worst tax system up to one of the most competitive in the world under Trump’s first 2 years in office. Lower tax rates allow U.S. companies to spend more money, buy more assets, pay more employee benefits, buy stock back to put money on Main Street and into state coffers, and even help pay better dividends to seniors who live paycheck to paycheck.

Nasdaq: The Nasdaq stock market value finally exceeded the 1999 prices under Trump. This implies that companies were stagnant for 18 years until Trump took office. Level the Playing Field: With a mixed bag of tax-code improvements, removal of red tape, new trade agreements, and competitive tariffs, the U.S. economy is more insulated from failure. Even the Federal Reserve is willing to lower rates if other countries harm the U.S. trading environment.

Kinda like telling folks when he gets elected he's opening the borders, but then saying that has no effect on the flood of "immigrants" that is such a mess right now they are denying reporters access to it. But he really has no effect and it's all Trumps fault. Guess Trump was stockpiling em at the border waiting to unleash them on Biden.....

Only way a person can be a leftist and push this crap is to take your sense of reality, or even any common sense at all and check it at the door...... the only other explanation is, well.... bless your lil heart.....

Must be nice to live in a alternative universe were everything is lollipops and roses.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the 10 victims and courageous LEO who lost his life in this tragic event.

Matt

You said, “ GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.”

This statement is blatantly FALSE. Funny your response is basically “forget about the false stuff but what about the other stuff.” Maybe if you would read and watch something besides right wing propaganda you would know that.

Seriously, anyone can just google GDP by year. Easy to find the truth. Try it.

Gas prices have been going up since May (before the election). OPEC has agreed to stabilize production even though demand is going up worldwide. Hmmm...

Reason why WTI went soaring was several events both here and abroad.

Athabascan oil will not flow into gulf state refineries or any states anytime soon. Gvt BLM leases pending were nullified. ANWAR new projects beyond current contracts all cancelled. OPEC plus #1 decided against oil output increases to rise prices. Make up for 2020 losses. Texas storms shut down refinement for a month. Oil production insecurity by current Admin has driven costs up dramatically. No different than any other commodity.

Look at 2019 oil commodity prices. Your premise is a CNBC talking point nothing more.

You may want buy that new AR sporter before July. For CO residents I see knee jerk Ban statewide. Prayers Up. RIP Brave LEO Tank

Secondly, if you support making 30 round magazines or ARs illegal then once again, you are clueless!

Every governmental organization has ARs with high capacity magazines so take your pistol or deer rifle and put them in a trash can because you without ARs you you will easily be overmatched! There is a reason that they have ARs.

Don’t think that you may need to defend yourself from tyranny then go history books or google the topic.

Personally, I think that we need to reframe our argument to the RIGHT to pursue natural food sources and to live as part of nature like our ancestors! This is our culture and our culture should be protected as a basic right...

Knee Jerk and taking advantage of a dire tragedy. Wouldn't expect less from Smokeless Joe. Tank

Did you see Sydney Powell's defense strategy for the lawsuits against her?

"Her legal team claims that “reasonable people” would not take her claims about widespread election fraud as fact."

LMAO...you have been classified as not reasonable now, as well as all other other fringe members I guess. Share this you know where, LOL!

We better hope we get some straight shooters to run against this madness or we will hand the Progressives another 4 years of insanity.

Regarding this topic specifically, recognize the folks the government really needs to worry about are the ones who are not typing out false bravado on the internet. The tougher a person talks publicly the more the reality is they are just the opposite. Ruby Ridge, Waco, January 6th etc... Same guys, same talk! I have concluded they either work for the government trying to expose the nut jobs they need to watch, or are insecure unaccomplished souls trying to stroke their own egos.

I don't see that happening. That action would be an implied indictment against the Native American way of life and simultaneously imply that white man's approach was superior.

Prayers to all the families of the fallen.

Most of the hunting I read about is with guns when it comes to hunting on and off the reservation.

It was a great country while it lasted.

Frank, are you referring to me, or the other "Lou" you've been arguing with?

To add: the number one nutjob in Senate Liawatha herself is saying "get rid of Filibuster and do GUN Ban now". The Dem's know that would blow up the USA's three equal branch system and would lead to chaos year to year in Washington.

Call your Rep's today or you may find yourself with a HR 8 pass with RINO support in Senate. The hour is here, call and write immediately. Tank

If that BS passes and it could it will be a new dawn of Liberties in this Nation I can asure you. Tank

Talking, not arguing with Woods Walker;-)

WW, get real, when the people who started the lies about a false election distance themselves from it, that is the truth. I have already seen it, you need to open your eyes.

It will continue to be a great country in spite of grumpy old men telling us otherwise. Hey, didn't I read you are getting your covid shot? Weren't you one of those who said this was all a conspiracy to get rid of trump? Hmmm!

HW, do they do this in the same way as the left distanced themselves from Russian Collusion?

Waiting for this to be labeled a racially/politically motivated hate crime by the media, since this individual was allegedly a Middle Eastern-born Muslim who hated Trump, and killed a bunch of white people. Have a feeling we'll be waiting a long time for that..

HW, do they do this in the same way as the left distanced themselves from Russian Collusion?

Ditto, the road to transparency.

But, but, but, Trump claims he was born in Kenya! ;-)

My guess is that it wasn't an assault weapon but the media is selling it as such. Politicians are wasting no time in taking advantage of this tragedy to push their agenda. Too bad they will villainize the gun, but not the man who CHOSE to kill people. Seems completely ass backwards to me.

I wonder if a common Chef's Knife in England becomes classified as an "Assault Knife" after it's used to stab someone?

Well, Biden administration slid left to Executive action on Weapons. Looks like the Whip count in Senate does not favor Ol Biscuit Joe. So, they going to try a Exec Regulations which I think will be a Tax, and a NCIS Change and probably a limit on gun transfer scope, type and numbers. Which of course will be challenged before the ink is dry. Tank

Mental health issues don't show up on background checks. The left wants them kept private. The right doesn't want anyone who has ever sought counseling for any little thing, ever in their lives, to he barred from lawful gun ownership. So where should the line be drawn. IDK.

Obama has came out from under his rock as he always does when there is a shooting. He actually posted his comments before "obiden" did.

Is it true, Boulder already had restrictions on AR's?

Crazy, evil people also use cars, a gallon of gas and a match, airplanes, knives, pressure cookers and all sorts of things to harm others.

Lou, thanks for your courage to post this, as this point is really what needs to be discussed as a nation. The general public in pursuit of our God given right to life and liberty should expect to be able to do that free from those who are either evil or unfortunately mentally unstable.

What rights can other members of society take away from individuals thought to be harmful to others or themselves? Their freedom? Their right to own firearms? I am with you in that I lack the wisdom to answer these questions, but both sides know legitimate concerns exist and refuse to compromise.

Certainly others will find fault with my position that ownership within your own abode and on your own property ought to be an absolute right that proof of mental defect or intent for harm of others would need to be near absolute and irrefutable to strip you of this right, and no I cannot define "absolute proof" that would be acceptable to all.

OTH, when carrying outside of one's home and property, I can accept and desire proof of competence on par with what is required for driving an automobile in most states as well as insurance and possibly other potentially protective measures. These would not include Red Flag Laws as written today, but with irrefutable evidence of a potential violent occurrence, let's say 72 hour, emergency orders can be executed to control an individual's access to deadly instruments of all types, but unless supported with absolute proof, the orders would cease after the time period of X, in this example 72 hours.

No solution is perfect to me, including the one advocated by most on the right that the government has no right whatsoever to restrict ownership. When individual rights interfere with the rights of others, who should reign supreme? IDK!

Thanks again!

With that said. Evil people are the problem. It’s not guns. You could ban all the guns you want and evil people would still find them. Just like drugs.

Look at Mexico. It has very strict gun laws. But has the most murders by guns than anywhere

People are losing jobs just for attending Trumps speech (not going to the Capital). I cant trust authorities to make competent decisions on what constitutes a mental state that isn't acceptable.

Members of Congress are accusing fellow members of the Legislature of trying to get them killed.

Removing rights before someone infringes on others rights is a dangerous path.

I agree mostly, but that is the logic that is costing lives IMHO. How many of these evil and or sick humans had a published history of threats of violence? Many of them we hear after the fact.

One cannot yell “fire” in a theater, one ought not be able to threaten repeatedly before surrendering some of their rights temporarily, again, IMHO.

Obviously mental health issues are a driving force in crime and violence regardless of whether a firearm is involved. It is a risk to allow people their rights until they misuse them. It's also a risk removing rights from people before they misuse them.

You understand it is also a risk not suspending rights of people with a strong desire and propensity to do harm? It seems we conservatives never want to look at that side of the coin.

The position of doing nothing until after the fact for me is indefensible morally, ethically and from a common sense perspective as well.

If we focused on behaviors, it takes the focus off guns. Literally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by our unwillingness that one can lose rights by acting irresponsibly.

All it takes is one person on a roll and you're rights are toast. Or a vindictive nutjob girlfriend (nawww, never happen....) azzhat neighbor, angry coworker, the list is endless. Just look what some do when on mask patrol. You want those nuts in charge of your rights? Knock yourself out. I'd rather tell em to go pound sand. I've done NOTHING wrong. Leave me alone.

If anything this covid mess has shown..... there are an abundance of people that want "authority" over everyone and plenty of others overflowing with "compliance".

Decisions made from fear alone are often very poor ones. Only slightly better than those made for authority and power. They often have a symbiotic relationship.

It’s impossible to micro manage society when your too big to even realize that entity even exists. So, the only recourse is too keep common folk from dealing with it themselves. You know, in the name of culture and the evolution of the complex human psychology.

Give ME a break. It’s always happened and it always will. We can choose to try and legislate it from doing so. Or, we can understand that having freedoms comes with responsibilities.

I’m willing to sacrifice someone else’s fear instead of the freedoms that come with being an American. In all instances. From masks to gun ownership. Fear is a great motivator though. So, I can see why naive people go to the extreme lengths they do.

Oddly, I agree but we obviously aren't on the same page.

"Behaviour" is everything and I absolutely agree that when you misuse your rights by behaving badly, that is when infringing on rights can be considered.

I simply don't trust the government to be the arbitor of what crosses that line prior to something criminal or a serious and specific threat of violence.

If not the government as arbiter, who then? If the government, what are the acceptable checks and balances required?

Something in society has changed and probably there is no easy, quick solution. If we accept that, then a moral society is morally obligated to take reasonable steps to protect human lives and prevent carnage. I would argue we are as much morally obligated to take action here as we are to protect the unborn.

There is an inconsistency IMHO, conservatives argue that unborn lives are sacred enough to strip women of the ability (I didn’t say right) to control their own bodies but not sacred enough to strip the evil and insane from the right to guns. I am not buying it and neither do the majority I bet in the foreseeable future. For me, we have been brainwashed for so long to not give an inch, we now lack moral clarity and are incapable of doing what is right.

During the Trump Administration - In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida. In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas. In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California. In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

So far under the Biden administration - 8 people were killed in Atlanta, GA 10 people were killed in Boulder, CO.

Now.....why did they not report his name when they reported most everything else about him? Call me suspicious of this Orlando NBC media outlet. If the perp was a white guy named Joe Smith...would they have reported it? IMO...that outlet should be challenged and asked why they would not report the perps name when they reported everything else about him...including his pics? They can't use the excuse they did not want to give him or his misdeeds media exposure.

No doubt we have powerful people currently making policy and law who would answer "yes".

The long-term threat that poses is larger than the immediate threat posed by the next wack job who is flying under the radar in my opinion.

You forgot about the 774 reported homicides in Chicago (just in 2020).

Oh, my bad...that would be discussing the REAL problem! Let's just discuss what swirls around in the MSM. Fearmongering media is the driving force behind this entire "debate". In medicine...we "triage", in an effort to isolate the most severe problem first.

And then we might discuss things like, what is the best choice for personal and home defense? But as long as the aberrant behavior of a few crazies dominates the 'discussion', it's hard to have one.

I don't see rehashing tragedies here has any logical outcome. Should we start equating Machete deaths in Africa now which total in tens of thousands. We could review the 1st Crusade which killed several million none with a gun.

Scotus has ruled. The 2A right is secure in the the right own, carry and is not even reviewable by a court. Only whereby that right has been infringed upon with standing is it considered for review. So, for all who come at it as it is not a right given to Americans by the creator it can't even get SCOTUS review.

Really throwing mass tragedy on the wall is nothing more than making a dirty splash on your argument. Tank

Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?

No way, Lou...because "Black Lives Matter", right?

This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”

Let those who would welcome MORE laws ponder that for a second. Murder is already illegal. Pre-charging honest law abiding citizens, the good guys, with murder will do nothing to stop a murderer. Which is what removing 2A rights, Constitutional Rights.... essentially does. Assumes law abiding honest people will commit crimes with their legal weapons.

If they can remove 2A rights there are NO rights your government CANNOT take away. Then Americans literally have NO rights. The government has overthrown it's people.

According to the above statistics 9 mass shootings in the last 4 years and 2 months.

Mass shootings are bad

By all accounts in all most of these shootings, everyone around the shooter knew they were nuts. Usually the FBI and local Police already know they are nuts.

Trying to take away everyone else’s rights to stop 9 nut jobs doesn’t make sense. Take every gun in the country away. Those 9 shooters are still nuts, and will just do their crazy deeds a different weapon.

I see a member above basically supporting thought police.

Give any government the power to be the thought police, and and take away your constitutional rights based off what some government official “thinks” you might do will not be a better outcome. More lives will be negatively effected if that was in effect, then how our laws are currently structured

Those are proven facts and logic. Things one can have a "reasonable" discussion with. Cannot have a reasonable discussion with predetermined agendas that ignore base premise such as Constitutional Rights, mind readers or wadded panties.

Behavior that threatens such that a reasonable person would fear violence causing a temporary suspension of gun rights is not a government power grab but a relinquishment of rights caused by the behavior of the individual. Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently.

As Rick stated freedom is costly. To me, the cost of losing freedom is higher. The more we make guns the issue the more we detract from the real causes of people doing bad things to others.

In reality ARs actually kill less people nationally than other guns but catch all the attention when the government has failed in most cases multiple times. Most of the high profile mass murders is because the government quit addressing mental health years ago! So we are promoting treating the symptom instead of the problem!

Habitat why don’t you free yourself from groupthink and start doing some original thought because you are wasting intelligence that could be put to better use.

If it worked Democrats couldn’t own a gun

Matt

And who provides safety from the government? You would have us rely on the government to protect us from the government? That is precisely why the Constitution was written as it was. It's precisely why they are called Rights and the government is specifically barred from infringing on them.

When we can have rational discussions is when we can talk to rational people.... you know, sane people with a thimble full of sense who don't think a pistol grip on a rifle makes it more dangerous to own. Who don't think you can order a gun online and have it delivered to your door. Or that voting for Trump does not mean you are a domestic terrorist. You know, THOSE rational people.... not whack jobs who's logic entails defunding police to eliminate crime or that pulling a weapon on police is not cause to be shot by police....

Hard leftists only real fear of guns is that those who own guns might tell them to go away when the Karens come demanding you do something. Or when they come to threaten your family and to burn down your home or business they will have no safe recourse but to leave you alone. What they really fear most is having to leave you alone......

They certainly don't seem to have such "safety" concerns when it's a neighborhood they WANT to leave alone...

In reality ARs actually kill less people nationally than other guns but catch all the attention when the government has failed in most cases multiple times. Most of the high profile mass murders is because the government quit addressing mental health years ago! So we are promoting treating the symptom instead of the problem!

Habitat why don’t you free yourself from groupthink and start doing some original thought because you are wasting intelligence that could be put to better use.

And there you have it, folks. Now, see what you can come up with and not undermine the intent. In doing a little research on gun legislation and it seems like the Dems have been coming for your guns since Franky D.

Jaq, we always here the stories of the way things were. But they are not that way today for whatever the reasons. We can’t be paralyzed from our past in taking reasonable steps to protect life.

"Democrat Senators Tammy Duckworth (IL) and Mazie Hirono (HI) said they will vote against all Biden nominees who are not “racial minorities, and that they will only vote for a white nominee if the nominee is LGBTQ."

"Jaq, we always here the stories of the way things were. But they are not that way today for whatever the reasons. We can’t be paralyzed from our past in taking reasonable steps to protect life."

Funny that talk of rational Super Socialism sounds familiar. You can hear it in places like Sweeden, UK, Nice, Belguim, Lux, France. However, in places where they know the name of the beast CCCP like Hungry, CZech, Bul, Poland they know what a Paralyzing Past is. One where Comrade has no rights or a weapon and government is Supreme and ones life is only to serve that Gov.

Why we are the Light on the Shining Hill, not candle in a Hong Kong prison. Tank

As an example, if we can justify breaking rules in our dealings with a private entity, it does not take a giant leap to do so on civil matters. We have an individual here prone to dramatic attacks on others (super socialism) who has repeatedly flaunted the rules of this site with a multitude of false registrations. No doubt the justification of this behavior, and other behavior we have witnessed from so called conservatives as of late, is that the other side does worse. And they do, but let's be honest, when we finally support that two wrongs make a right, we are just as responsible for the divide in this country and the failure to hold ourselves to the standards our FF inspired us to.

Pro-life folks contend that a woman's right to engage in her vision of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is temporarily suspended upon the creation of life by her participation in the activity that led to her pregnancy. Society must protect the rights of the unborn against her rights.

I don't see any difference in temporarily suspending someone's rights to be in possession of dangerous instruments when they have also participated in an activity (threats) that run counter to the health of other members of society, by the same logic as above we must protect their lives as well.

In the last few years I have started to see the extreme right as an equal threat to this Great Experiment as the loony left. Too many times what I hear is some people wanting to dictate how we must live our lives, and sometimes I do not see that as in sync with the equity and fairness I believe our FF believed in.

There are laws in place for people that shoot and kill others

There are laws in place for people that stab others.

9 in 328,000,000

If you could pass your new law to convict people of something you think they might do, what would the odds of someone being a mass killer go down to?

I notice you also only want to take away their gun rights. That won’t stop the nut from killing people any other way.

They would need to be locked up for life.

On a side note, it's very curious how he obtained this 556 a week earlier in a state where there are reportedly none for sale (legally) , then obtained .556 NATO ammo when virtually all ammo shelves are empty, especially .556 and .223.

Those laws work after the fact, we need to do this before any shootings take place.

Lou,

The current Red Flag laws I have read are not something I can support. Too easy for an offended party to make a false claim. They have to have safe-guards, and then we need to educate people so they take reporting potential serious threats as serious we now take drunk driving. It will take time, this won't happen over night but we need to be part of the solution, not more resistance to possible effective preventative methods, IMHO.

Are you paying any attention at all? Who again is it trying to dictate how someone lives their lives? Who is it saying "you must follow my rules!" along with "I'm going to change the rules you must follow!" and who is it saying "leave me the hell alone.... " Who currently HAS Constitutional Rights and who is it trying to take those away?

Good grief.... maybe some introspection is due as facts and reality seem to have left the building and replaced by cowering fear.....

And BTW..... the word is EQUALITY..... not EQUITY.... as the weaselwords are oozed into the vernacular. Equality as in created equal, equal rights under the law. Not equity, guaranteeing someone else gets to own what I have worked for and created without my permission.... Equity is an entirely different word than equality, And the wordsmith twisters know that. Gonna guess the choice to use it was no mistake.....

WRT the FF.... they took up arms against a tyrannical government, publicly pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to do so and did so in writing. You want to ponder what they would be telling people right now about a group trying to remove the rights they bled and died for?

Most of these shootings are happening in places where concealed or open carry is not allowed. Or, assumed to be prevalent.

The best way to beat evil is meet it head on with intent and purpose. It keeps the chicken Little’s at bay. Promised resistance that will result in dire consequences tends to make offenders pick easier targets too.

That won’t stop it all. But, it’d sure go a long way to prevent manifestations of psyco to ever get that far in.

Of course you’d have people killing others. Sometimes Unwarranted. Then we’d get to discuss the flaws in that approach too.

We are dealing with evil. It’s a matter of the heart for most of these shouters. Because every person alive is capable of evil deeds. And, when fed, it grows.

I stated there are already laws concerning if somebody makes a credible threat against another person.

You stated that is for after the fact. So are you saying you would like a law to convict somebody of a crime before they even say something?

Who would be in charge of the thought police that convict people for the crime of thinking something that might be threatening before they have even said it?

Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had firearms. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything

Have you seen or heard people supporting those people that broke into the capital? I have not seen or heard one single person on TV,radio,or in person that agreed with those idiots.

This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”

anyhow, the short sightedness of some here is astonishing, amazing even

common sense? hahahaha

at some point the continued erosion of rights must stop! sooooooo you 'cant' own a B2 or a loaded nuke silo, at what point are you 'comfortable ' with your allowance?

serious question

at what point will you disagree with common sense disarming and defenselessness?

and will mass murder (you know, the only crimes that are gun related that count in politics) also slow proportionately?

ks, you're a gun guy, what are you willing to be criminalized for?

so many smart people out there going for the "low hanging fruit", just baffling to watch

A credible threat against another person is not the same as someone posting intent to do non-specific or general violence. That is what I am referring to and as Jaq pointed out all too often the warnings go unheeded.

I read more than once that folks on Jan 6th had multiple weapons?

Justin,

We read about the heroes who are armed and respond, but there are more who are armed and will vacate first. Talking on a keyboard and performing when it actually occurs are two different things. Most of us will never know for sure what we would do. I pray I would do what is right and that Robin is no where near me if something ever occurred. My first inclination would be to get her to safety, which may be a poor decision for others that I would have to live with forever.

I appreciate the civil discussion, thanks.

I’ll answer. I am comfortable with what I have, enough to protect my family and with coordination of others very likely to have a tyrannical authority think twice.

At what point will you be satisfied?

And not once did I suggest mentally healthy and law abiding citizens give up their guns. I have no intentions of doing so, but nor do I need a nuke or bomber.

The guy the posts the stupidest memes on here and I’m childish...ok Greg.

I am liberal and I support the constitution and 2A. I don’t think taking my AR is the answer. I don’t have an answers to reduce mass shootings. Maybe we can start with changing our culture of shaming and marginalizing those with mental health issues. Maybe we (federal government with taxes) should invest in mental health resources in America? Would that help?

IDK but I’m not going to go over the top when some legislator comes out with a bill that limits the kind of guns we can buy and own because legislation like that is introduced in every congress. Since I’ve been on this earth.

There are some good points being made here by some and it expands my perspective. But others just regurgitate what right wing pundits say. Some are not even willing to discuss solutions. They only rehash the same ole talking points.

You tell me how we can reduce mass shootings? I feel very sorry for the victims and families who suffer from gun violence but I also understand why we need the 2A to remain free people. Just don’t say something seriously stupid like more guns is the answer. There was a reason why Wyatt Earp banned carrying guns in town. People due irrational s#%^ in the heat of the moment. My guess is there would be even more killing if everyone carried a firearm everywhere but that’s just my opinion that can’t be backed up.

“Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had FIREARMS. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything”

Not sure if you accidentally said weapons instead of firearms.

Also who is in charge of the new Thought Police?

Remember after the election all of the millions of people that voted for Donald Trump were called white supremist. It was stated many times by news people and politicians they needed to be reprogrammed!

Not some,ALL!

in some jurisdictions, your mere suggestion about tank would be enough to get him jammed up, add an accusation with a few accurate descriptions ? worse yet

cool huh??

yup until you are someone's tank, with all those unneccessary weapons of war you possess

pretty short sighted, imo

I noticed you offered no solutions. Do you have anything to offer? Or you just going to criticize everyone else that offer ideas...talk about shortsighted.

I said weapons intentionally as according to multiple accounts there were more than firearms discovered.

Ryan, I agree both with your view that more focus needs to be on mental health, and that Greg offers little other than criticism with you being his favorite target.

Educate, focus on mental health and many of thee people law enforcement, family, and people in the communities no of these peoples issues and should be informing the appropriate agencies. None of this works if you have a miss all the red flags of the last shooter and you fail miserably in all areas!

Then you have to address the transcending messages of everyone is a victim, fairness, and politicians every negative narrative to divide the country!

This could be a start but it doesn’t support many agendas of those in power. We must stop supporting stupid statements like defunding the police! Also you must message personal responsibilities. If you want something from society it should start with you!

And, the bigger point, most would never have too.

Google it. You might be surprised by the number of folks who never even reach for their firearm. I was first tipped off to this by an LEO friend.

I could share google results, but we know any site presented would be written off as left wing propaganda, LOL. It even happens to some in combat who are trained for it.

You could hear the groaning backstage from the guy with his hand all up inside his puppet..... that was about the most embarrassing hot mess I've ever seen.... even with questions like "is all the (illegal) immigration coming through our southern (open) border (such a disaster) because you're such an awesome guy?"

This loser chose to use an AR. IMO, he could have accomplished the same with a Rem 870 or a Benelli SBE. Do we take those away as well? Where do we draw the line on legal weapons and where do we draw the line on when a person shouldn't be allowed to own firearms?

Point on in a nutshell Don ! When these murders are reported , they should also keep the murders skin color out of the report ""for all cases"" as it is a sick SOB doing the killing . Not his skin color ! Trial the murderer , not his family or people of the same skin tone .......... That goes for all people .

Almost no Blue State runs state Mental Wards since the late 1970's. Cost to much but they have no problem locking up seniors against their will. But lock up and state make a court decision against mentally defective people. Almost never. Don't want the legacy costs of more Clockwork Orange inmates. Tank

I think it was Gowdy who said "I have heard tougher questions asked of beauty pageant contestants....." It was a joke. A joke on all Americans. And a bad one at that. An embarrassment and an insult to everyone's intelligence. In other words, SOP for Democrat Leftists.....

I wear a Leatherman Wave on my belt everyday. I guess I'll be needing a concealed carry permit for that!

https://rtbav.nra.org/

It's been said since Joe's canned Presser that the Dems will nuke Filibuster rule to legislate weapons away or tax and regulate them away. Whereby, making literally millions of felons over nite. Not sure that's going change much. I don't see the GVT cutting off male appendages to stop rape everyday but the Woke Mob would surely entertain that idea. Tank

I do love the post a few up: Wyatt Earp part

Town forced turning in guns in Tombstone.... What'd it do.... ? Only led to the largest shootout in history of the place. "Very Cosmopolitan"

Gee BigEight, you obviously have no problem with our US Capitol building looking that way? Please enlighten us as to what the difference is.

All great humor has a sense of truth to it...... maybe that's why leftists suck at it....

I hope they threw in the custom cart with the cannon...... geez I think I'd have to sell my house to have a minute with that thing.... Kamala much much cheaper I'm sure......

Correction - Dems rightly believe their ignorant voters are stupid enough to believe more laws will make them safer, because that's what the sheep are told by politicians and the media.

WRT the knife stats above.....

The 6th was a Rudy Poo other than a Fed killing an unarmed civilian. Big crowd with some Woke Antifa's mixed with about every kind of foreign service Agents mixed it. In historical context a big nada burger.

Compared to the Bonus Marchers of 1932 is was just event and speech. nothing more. Little more education for our fine Bowsiters from other side. See the link. The WWI Vets were really pissed off. You had MacArther, Patton and Eisenhower involved that day in 32 with 4-5 deaths and many many injured. We must be glad Hoover was in Office that day and not Roosevelt or the toll would have much much worse.

No, armed guards at Walmart, PO, Banks, Fed Bldgs, or Lowes stores would not bother me at all. Bothers the Israelis none in the least. Liberal Cancel Culture laws will only make it worse. Respect for law and order backed by strict enforcement policy is the only way to go. Not zero cash bail and soft penalties for repeat offenders.

Now our mentally disturbed need facilties. Rather large wards where they live out there lives at the states costs which would out shadow Prison costs and populations. Dem's will never do it. It's a lose lose for their social justice agenda and would kill those dreams of Autocracy and power.

Lets see where the Gun Ban leads to next. Will it come before a 3 trillion infrastructure bill or will it get dropped on a Friday night before a federal holiday Easter weekend in the form of Executive action. Tank

can anyone here sweep the floors of an empty school at night or pour concrete on a military installation without a thorough background check? absolutely not

probably for good reason

do our elected officials go through any such scrutiny, even those at top level? those in commitees on intelligence , foreign and/or domestic affairs, spending, green unicorns....any of them? absolutely not, even though they make and pass the laws

some are law abiding citizens, some would still be jobless after applying for a job to hang the razor ribbon around the capitol or even cut the grass at any federal building

I'm all for background checks, let's start with congress and circle back

Vote in local and national elections

Buy a gun illegally

Rob a liquor store to get booze and cigs

Did I mention vote (for Democrats)

Can't think of much else.

Really? Which thought crimes or threats are those?

I heard some pretty strong rhetoric during the BLM and Trump protests in Chicago just in the past year or so. Those individuals seemed very “angry” and seemed to be “threatening” people in a credible manner. Will those people be stripped of rights or be jailed?

Seems unlikely.

Mass shootings are terrible and tragic. As a nation, we should look to reduce them, rationally.

The Parkland school shooter had committed multiple crimes that should have removed him from the streets before he killed kids in the school. In my estimation, the sheriff is as culpable for that tragic event as anyone. Had he enforced the law and prosecuted instead of repeatedly giving that kid a pass, there could be a group of kids who’d be alive today.

I live in Chicago. Chicago is frequently referenced for its homocide numbers. In just the city proper, there were 769 murders in 2020... up more than 50% over 2019.

How many of those crimes do you suppose were committed by someone with a clean record? How many do you suppose were committed by someone with a documented, long history of crime and violence?

And yet, these offenders are being released onto the streets to harm others.

I’d guess that repeat offenders in Chicago alone kill more people than mass shooters nationwide.

Look at the highest murder rates and you will see that they are are and have been under Democratic control for over fifty years!

This thing going take the top off the Border crisis for sure. 100-150 million people going to sound off after this hit the streets. Cant find reloading supplies now? Hicap magazines going to worth big money. See how long it takes to reach SCOTUS. tank

If I hit you in the head with a stick, doesn’t that become an assault weapon?

How is this going to work with your kids being able to hunt on their own since background checks aren't done on youths since they aren't old enough to legally purchase firearms. Haven't heard anyone discuss this and how this part of the law will apply to your kids hunting. Your thoughts?

So what in the world makes you think that a criminal who murders despite a murder charge carrying a life sentence or death penalty if convicted.

What in the WORLD! Makes you think they give a hoot about gun laws?

You know who gun laws effect most?...the people that obey the law.

Well now that's a new revelation huh?

Pineapple Joe does not have much time left before the juice him. His Woke-Masters want the pressure of his border mess so Executive action on guns will surely do that. Tank

I was suprised a lot of states hadn't already required in inspection to renew registration for tags on the diesel trucks years ago.

They are taking tampering with emissions equipment very seriously.

Both the states you mentioned population came from CA because there was to much regulation down there. They just trying to play Ketchup with those people now.

Still on Joe Avacado watch for a Friday Exec Action drop on guns. Tank

I just mentioned those two states because I know for sure people were getting in trouble for emissions tampering in those states.

I only responded to the comment because people are CURRENTLY getting busted for emissions tampering. It’s not something that might start happening.

Don’t want to side track a thread

Back to guns and ammo!

Same with the gun issue. He’s blatantly said there is a time for everything. And, when it’s right, he’ll proceed.

The border issue is beyond naive. But, at least he doesn’t hurt people’s feelings with truth. Can’t have that in today’s creme puff society. Because It might make someone contemplate reality. SMH at the percentage of Americans today who can’t take any ounce of responsibility we are given due to being a citizen of the United States. It’s all soccer games and joyful bliss. Shame on due diligence.

It's about Control.

To add, The Judge Obama wanted to place on SCOTUS. the so called Moderate AG Garland will be by Sloppy Tomoto Joe's side when he signs order. Think Sen Schumer said at the time "moderate Judge Garland should get a up or down vote". Lucky the man from KY stood tall in the face of Barrrrack.

Think you better buy all the high cap mags you'll ever need today. Glad my CC got hit today for all my new 19 rounders for my SA's!! Tank

"What we’re expecting him to do is anything with foreign commerce – if the firearm is being imported in or magazine or ammo is being imported in – he could by executive order try to do something in that nature,"

Not anything of substance that I am concerned about, although since the imported stuff is less expensive, it could have the potential to drive up cost of the US made stuff.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-david-chipman-atf

Biden to nominate gun control backer David Chipman to head ATF: WH official Chipman, a ‘proud gun owner,’ said he has sometimes been mischaracterized as a 'gun grabber'

By Brittany De Lea | Fox News

President Biden is expected to nominate David Chipman, an advocate of greater gun control, to serve as the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a White House official confirmed to Fox News on Wednesday.

Chipman served as an ATF special agent for 25 years and was named Special Agent in Charge of the bureau’s Firearms Program.

Chipman also received an award from the Attorney General’s office for his efforts aimed at preventing gun homicides in targeted U.S. cities, according to his bio as a member of the gun safety group started by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. At Giffords, Chipman served as an expert on "ghost guns" and assault weapons.

BIDEN EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON GUN CONTROL THURSDAY

In an op-ed he penned in The Roanoke Times last year, Chipman described himself as a "proud gun owner" who has sometimes been "mischaracterized as a gun grabber." Chipman noted that he supports gun safety regulations that would "save lives" but wouldn’t take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

"I am a proud and responsible gun owner, as are millions of Virginians," Chipman wrote. "I am also permitted to carry a concealed handgun. I am not afraid of lawmakers in Richmond passing laws to make it harder for criminals to get guns. In fact, I’m part of the majority who demand it."

ATF is a law enforcement agency within the Department of Justice that strives to safeguard the public from criminial organizations and activity, including the illegal use and trafficking of firearms.

As previously reported by Fox News, Biden is expected to announce gun control measures on Thursday following three recent mass shootings.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki declined to go into details on Wednesday, but Politico reported that the president is preparing an executive order.

A White House official told Fox News that not all of the measures will be executive actions.

Imagine your neighboring property owner who never had a hankering for you. Say in mid October calls the ATF Hotline and says "i think my neighbor is nuts and he got guns, he's has signs all over his property he will shoot tresspasser's". There goes your wpns and that trip to WY for elk season. See you in court.

The Justice Dept going to Jump on AR pistols and brace stocks too. We'll see who stands up and where the RINO's will lay down. Lets see where the most powerful Dem in the Senate lines up from WV? Tank

maybe ammunition

every time you see a Democrat thank them for anti-gun King Joe, high gas prices King Joe, higher taxes King Joe .... Democrats enabled this fool, don't forget

How could shooting one of these possibly be any different than any other firearm. I don't understand your post, other than if you want to build & own a 80%, now is the time before it's too late.

Can anyone tell me when the last time that a "ghost gun" was used in a crime?

Colo. already has "red flag" law, but obviously doesn't work well since we just had the Boulder shooting.

And slow Joe can't seem to remember what the ATF is, because as he introduced his new nominee to head it, he kept saying "The AFT".

Right now, Boulder is under a lockdown and evacuation order for a bomb threat. Maybe they should outlaw pipes, nails, gunpowder, fertilizer, and propane too.

They surely will! If you have Pro Trump Tweets, FB or any other you will be the the test cases there are going to use. Reno just picked bad test cases to tryout. Randy Weaver case ended that stuff. 20 million spent on a false entrapment case. Cut a shotgun short and crown it. ATF entrapment and killed wife and 14yr old son. The Gvt had to pay Weaver and courts costs.

They will test the new Ex Orders of course. So, your blue haired hemp smoking teenager calls the ATF hotline on you because you wont let him identify as a female to use the high school girls locker room. The ATF serves you a knock warrant, takes all your weapons. Take you to Fed holding facility (prison) and issues you a psych test and your now guilty having to prove yourself innocent. Cost $10-15K to get em back, your zero tolerance cancel culture company you work for fires you before you ever get to court and you think it's going to all work out? Don't bet your retirement on it. Tank

Hunter Biden has lied of his 4473 to buy wpns as he was hooked on dope and never answered that form truthfully. A Fed offense as this has just come to light. tank

They really must think we have S U C K E R tattooed on our foreheads!!!

I think the word you wanted to use is "equity". You've probably heard it being referred to by the left. Just like a credit score. You'll have a "social equity" score; in which, you will be judged by your social acceptance. Talk of guns, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, etc. will lower your score, thus rendering you an outcast.

Considering how Biden has just authorized an "exploratory panel" to consider the feasibility of "expanding the Supreme Court", I'm sure our resident bowlibs will be right along to profess how the liberal court justices requested by 0bama, that Joe is going to pack the court with, are sure to protect the 2nd amendment. Just like the balanced court we currently see has been such stalwarts on the first and second.

If that were to happen Manchin will no longer be the Supreme Leader of the Senate.

One things for sure you can't find a shootable used pistol 300miles from me for sale. Tank

Thanks for confiscating my hunting rifle BOZO's !!! I hope I can buy ammo for it in time for hunting season.

It seems every time a notion that a particular person is elected, the brainless come out, hoard ammo, drive prices up, and cause the availability to dwindle. All the gun culture folks should be the one you should be directing your anger towards. They do this like clockwork: Promote fear, hoard firearms and ammo, limit supply, drive up prices, post on internet boards etc. They are performing the best gun control ever. Anyone who takes part in the above listed activities is nothing but a stupid a##.

"And still not a peep from the Left."

The left is just watching in amazement of their goal being achieved by the brainless on the other side.

It is looking like Obiden will choke out foriegn smalls arms ammo imports. If that happens you will not find much of anything on shelves for some time. The priority for small arms production goes something along these lines: US Armed Forces: ATK contract was signed under Obummer LC, MO 20yrs US Federal Law Enforcement Agencies ,list is long State Law Enforcement Commercial Loaded center fire ammo US made Commercial reloading components So , on, so forth.

So, when Obama and Soros put the squeeze on in his first Admin we got plenty Foreign made ammo. Then, Obummers 2nd term they threw in a tightening of that overseas ammo by over regulation. Trump got rid of that as fast as the Iran Nuke give away. Sorry to say but Obiden is bringing that back as we speak.

So, it's not your brethern taking your ammo Stix! Not to mention if you have not been to a city gun shop or talked to a jobber that moves lots of weapons and ammo.... The Gangsta's are buying up ammo and will pay huge amounts for it!!! I have witnessed them buying cases of 9mm, 223 and 45 at $2.25/rnd and they are getting it sold to them like preferred customers.

Been reloading since I was 12 and shooting military matches since a teenager. So, with what I have just in what was accrued since then I could support a small incursion into Burma. Been offered $1.50 for 9mm, .45 ammo while doing my weekly range work. Not interested in selling ammo just shooting it. Be hopeful that the 2022 mid terms will ease this stuff up a bit. My jobber friends tell it will be that long before it does folks. Tank

Do you folks live in the same world as everyone else? No where I’m aware of let’s a person buy enough at one time to hoard ammo. It’s been that way for a decade. Yes, buying a couple bricks of ammo might be a lifetime supply to do e. For others it’s a shooting session or two. That’s not hoarding. That’s being prepared.

This ammo shortage has been ongoing. The writings been on the wall since the early 90’s. Blaming those that’s prepared for it accordingly is stupid. Blaming those that buy what they are allowed is stupid. In fact, blaming anything but policy that’s increased the demand for gun purchases is beyond reasonable.

Time changes things. And, if you haven’t seen it concerning ammo, due to your own arrogance, that’s on you. And, nobody else.

"Why"

"Because the day before the emergency each household can decide to have beans, ammo or both. The day after the SHTF, the household with ammo decides who has beans."

If no serious action gets taken in the next few months things will calm down but I can't blame folks for reacting to threats.

^^^^^ ENGRAVE THAT IN STONE!!!!

Think about this - if Walmart has a standing order for shotgun shells, and they get a tractor-trailer load daily *5 days a week*, it works out to about one case per store per week, nationwide.

I too pick up a box of buckshot when I feel the need to augment my supply for home defense. But there is a false narrative that firearms are the single most important item of US freedom, so much so that people are ready to turn on each other over their political views on firearms. They have been elevated by the gun culture to an iconic status, but they are nothing more than symbolic, much like presidential executive orders. I'd like to suggest to you that firearms are necessary, but should not be worshiped as the sole provider of our liberties. There is no need to trash a brother because he is of the opinion that certain semi-automatic firearms should be closely regulated. If it gets to that point it truly is not worth it. If the only thing securing your freedom is a semi-auto firearm, than you've already lost because you are living in fear.

The people that do this by panic buying and hoarding are actually having a negative impact on the common defense of the free state by the citizen militia envisioned by the founding fathers.

We are no longer living in times of the revolution. But if you want to bring in constitutional violations, we have a standing army despite what is written in the constitution prohibiting this. I don't see people protesting in the street that we are violating this aspect of the constitution, ready to tear down a brother because he believes we need a standing army to protect our sovereignty.

You go to the place what was the DDR when the Commies were in there and tell me those folks were free without a weapons for the common folk.

Maybe China would be free if one billion of them could own private weapons? I can tell you there would be no work camps in NoKo if the population could own private weapons.

Have always bought primers by the case and well as powder and bullets by the box of 1000ea. Just have lots more folks are now doing the same. Because we are free to do so. I have not bought much of anything since O'biden and Covid stole the nation. Picked up my 30lbs of rifle and pistol powder for the year as always. I did grab an extra case large pistol primers in Oct. Figured I ought to as I would be bow hunting all over the Rockies for the next two months and may not get back til after election but I knew it was gonna go bad and prolly not be decided by Jan.

Powder is coming in regular now, primers not so much. Guys are gouging for primers. tank

Since the only factor I have control over is my own purchasing, I choose NOT to 'hoard'. Others choose the opposite.

(But, I have seen where hoarding can become a compulsive thing, not just re. ammunition either. There was a TV show...)

Look at what Maryland just did. The Gov just threw out the Law enforcement Bill of Rights. See how many those men and women stay on forces there. They are going to see some real problems in southern part of state and in Baltimore without question. I would want a good gun truck gun living there and a backup for my ankle backup! Tank

Yes, that jellyfish for a GOV really screwd the DA up there and with the Chauvin trail going on! This guy is either just a bomb thrower or he really wants the place to radically change over night. He may just get his wish tonight. Clearly he is not a leader in anyway or wanting a peaceful civilian population. Wonder if he owns a construction company like ServePro or something? Tank

Of course no authority will say this and the media will avoid this detail at all cost. The police might as well stop trying to enforce the law. Don’t worry about warrants. If a suspect doesn’t comply or runs, just let him go. It’s pointless. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don’t.

Geez, Obiden has come out and openly said the 2nd Amendment is not what it says and guns can be basically seized or regulated out the public domain. When you got the Chief Lawman and CDR of the nation publicaly decreeing the 2nd Amendment null or void for vagueness where does it end? Then, is the 4th and 14th Void upon Tomoto Joe's decree as well?

If there was RO with a gun or two in that school today this would have been over very fast with a much different outcome. Prayers to those folks and families. Tank

This UN treaty is real however unless we have a Dem retire here soon we may be in another pickle. Tank

Oh they won't come after guns. Yeah Dems., this is what you voted into power.

Waiting on the facts from Indy last nite? Yep Joe and the Camel Toe wanna take all your 2A rights and just give every convict on no cash bail third and fourth chances with your family. Oh, and no 2A carry for them.

Went and did my range work yesterday. Was digging 50yd steel with my work pistol like it had eyes. Got the new backup for my backup running well. Then, did some LR prone work slung up. Good day. Tank