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From: Tank
12-Mar-21
Looks like 1995 Ban on Steroids heading for both houses. High cap mags, AR based platforms and 200 other sporting rifles and shotguns. In 1943 the M1 was a battle rifle, 1967 AR15 was a battle rifle. Assault rifles either? Nah not really. If you can run a belt fed wpn to support an Assault its not an Assault Wpn. Be that as it may the Go Joe geezer crew is going to make a run at your coyote rifles and auto loaders of all types not to mention changing the transfer process and NCIS database check system.

Where are Bowsiter's on this large run at the 2nd Amendment? There are several states as I write this will bills going before there legislators for state constitutional amendments that would pre-empt any Anti Gun Bill coming out the beltway.

Tank

From: WYOelker
12-Mar-21
It is going to be too extreme way too fast. Where am I? I am hoarding my ammo and buying extra silencers and extra ARs as we speak.

From: Tank
12-Mar-21
Took care of this during the last 2nd Amend friendly Administration. Enough primers and powder that if my place went up it burn a hole 40ft deep under it. Saw this coming long before the Covid Panic Control Grab.

T

From: Jaquomo
12-Mar-21
Thinking there are one or two Dem senators who wont support this. Either way, there won't be 9 Republican senators who support more gun control (besides universal background checks), so anything too radical will be DOA in the Senate. They should have done this when they had a supermajority in Obama's first two years.

From: Shuteye
12-Mar-21
It won't get through the Senate.

From: drycreek
12-Mar-21
You better hope it doesn’t get through the senate. I don’t know how far the socialists think they can carry this, but a damn rabbit will bite you if you squeeze him hard enough.

From: Glunt@work
12-Mar-21
I was told that if Trump lost and we lost the Senate they won't go after gun rights. A "conservative" never-Trumper told me this when discussing his Biden vote. So no worries.

12-Mar-21
The boating accident was horrific...

From: Rupe
12-Mar-21
This has to be fake news because the Leftwing Biden voters on Bowsite practically guaranteed this was just paranoid thinking and would never happen. Come on man!

Hope some of those fools come here to confess how ignorant they were.

12-Mar-21
The Democrats will forever try to chip away at gun laws just like Republicans will forever try and chip away at abortion laws. Both get nowhere and the status quo continues.

From: LBshooter
12-Mar-21
First of all none of the guns they list are assault weapons. 2nd the AR 15 is one of the most popular weapon in this country and the court ruled that a weapon that is popular in use is protected. Also, I believe it was California judge that shot down (pun intended) the magazine restriction as infringing on the 2nd amendment. Funny how the liberals want to defund police and allow Antifa to riot and yet want to disarm the law abiding citizen. Maybe uncle joe will pass a bill that will give every citizen a high fence, razor wire wall with guards to protect their families, oh wait, that's only for the Washington elites. I don't believe the senate will pass this, Joe Manchin has lots of gun folk on his state as does uncle Bernie, but they will try. 2022 is around the corner and I pray that people have their heads out of their arses by then and vote these left wing loons out of office, if not then this country is doomed, and China is just waiting for it.

From: Lawdy
12-Mar-21
I am a flintlock shooter. I have plenty of black powder and enough sulfur and KNO3 to keep me going until I die, and then some.

12-Mar-21
Republicans are spineless...Nothing will happen in 22, unless voting goes back to somewhat normal! Then I’ll believe it when I see it...

Like here, we have the signatures to put on the ballot (special election) for the recall of Gruesome Newsom...Now all of a sudden ‘signatures’ must be matched/verified! Funny how that works...Dem’s will lie and cheat, it’s in their DNA! Lol

12-Mar-21
Not fake news Rupe. Fienstein introduced it and has a bunch of dems sponsoring it with many more dems chiming in in support of the bill. Let’s hope those handful of rhinos don’t cave. Romney? Cheney? And several more.

12-Mar-21
All this shit attacking our constitution and our rights is treasonous. Boebert is saying and doing things that guys like Graham and the other swamp snakes should be saying and doing. Spineless bastards.....

From: Stix
12-Mar-21
Joe Manchin and John Tester are 2 pro-gun democrat senators. Also Angus King, I- ME is also on record as not supporting AWB

12-Mar-21
That’s good. And the filibuster is still in play. For the moment........

12-Mar-21
Joe Manchin has openly been pro America when being interviewed. He always flips though and votes with his party. Regardless of his claims.

The thing about people is they have short memories. And, even smaller comprehension abilities. Because ole Joe was the first Democrat screaming about stricter gun control on “automatic” weapons after several shootings during Obama’s tenure. And, he will likely continue with it now.

He is a politician. Which means he is the dirtiest whore in the street by default. Add in his typical practices, and he’s surely going to follow the Democrat party on this one. If history has any bearing.

From: Woods Walker
12-Mar-21
Molon labe.

12-Mar-21
No worries, NRA will save us...

From: TD
12-Mar-21

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My first AR lower to build around was delivered last friday. I own a couple dozen or so guns but my first AR. (Aero Precision M4E1in FDE Cerakote, so it's not even a black gun =D) It's insane even trying to find one right now. Putting it together piece by piece. Magpul furniture and for now I installed the basic Aero lower hardware kit. Seems any and all parts for these things on backorder. Most anyway, especially if looking for specific hardware. Have gone through dozens of online sites.... all pretty much out of everything. Prices a good deal higher than they were last year when I started researching. It's really a very cool platform, enjoying working on it and learning about it. A shame if it doesn't know how to swim though, I'm on boats a fair amount.....

Have to admit.... The current political climate tipped my scales into not just buying another gun, but this specific gun. Building one SHTF 223 wylde upper and another in 6.5 grendel for pig control. One of the few things I'll pick up a gun for. Pigs and scum.....

Apparently President Houseplant is a better gun salesman than even that clean black guy was..... Called in to make an appointment (covid rules) to get my Permit to Acquire (a HI thing) early last October.... next available date, my date, was Jan 6th, almost 3 months. Lots of folks in line to buy guns for a democrat state I'd have to say....

From: Woods Walker
12-Mar-21
"..Nothing will happen in 22, unless voting goes back to somewhat normal!"

Ain't happenin'. Those days are over. They used the Covid fear mongering to get their mail-in vote fraud established and it ain't goin' NOWHERE. They know they have the winning hand now forever. They stripped us of our freedom without a shot being fired...for now.

From: Tank
13-Mar-21
TD I am surprised that No Hawaiian resident has not challenged those Hi state laws which do in fringe on a persons right to obtain a wpn and carry one. No person should have obtain a permit to own or purchase something given to them by god (right to defend themselves).

After reading some of your posts I think you are just the person to free Hawaii of this overbearing oppressive and corrupt state government and its unconstitutional laws.

Have heard that if nothing can get thru Senate Uncle crotchity could make changes to the NCIS and sales by Exec Order. In other words stalling out the massive sales of fireams. The Californian Congress is working hard with the help of Ned Lamont of CT to be sure.

Tank

13-Mar-21
Never say never or they wouldn't dare. We are in an age where we can spread half truths and outright lies to millions of people in seconds. We could do the same with the truth but we stay silent because the claims are unbelievable. I write my congressman regularly and my senators often to point out the lies and flaws in reasoning. I am hunted with a quote that I can't remember the author . I would give credit if I could remember. "All it takes for evil to triumph over is for good men to do nothing" If it had been written recently it would have said people not men. Please take the time to tell congress how you feel , Why you feel that way and if you can offer an alternative. I find the current state of affairs disturbing and exhausting.

From: Supernaut
13-Mar-21
Where are all the Bowsite Biden supporters who swore up and down that the new administration wouldn't attack our Second Amendment rights?

From: bghunter
13-Mar-21
O believe the quote was from Teddy Roosevelt. One of my favorite

From: Woods Walker
13-Mar-21

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Supernaut: They are making up ways to deny what's occurring right before our eyes isn't.

From: LBshooter
13-Mar-21
Supernaut, They are doing what all liberals do when things go bad, they disappear and deny they voted for the stooge lol.

From: Woods Walker
13-Mar-21
And if you're in Illinois.....NO MORE CASH BAIL!!!

From: Woods Walker
13-Mar-21
And a lose lose for law abiding people. More proof that Democrats hate us. They say differently, but they're actions show the real story.

13-Mar-21
Not a win for crime until perhaps criminals give up their guns. Does anyone believe this will happen?

From: LBshooter
13-Mar-21
Supernaut, They are doing what all liberals do when things go bad, they disappear and deny they voted for the stooge lol.

From: Drnaln
13-Mar-21
It's not just about assault rifles. It's about having to register every gun you own or buy. It's about a back ground check that would let an ex wife or disgruntled neighbor keep you from buying or owning a firearm. It's about registering all ammunition you purchase. Guys on here claim to have lost all their guns in a boating accident. What happens if your out shooting targets with your Grandsons & a warden or police officer asks to see the unregistered Ruger automatic 22 you're plinking with. Instantly you are given a citation. Gun is confiscated. You are NOW a felon for possessing an unregistered firearm. The Anti gun crazies are trying to do all that!

From: Stix
13-Mar-21
soccer23ny: just out of curiosity, do you feel using the words F@#K and S#@t give your points more validity?

Not debating what you said but I am just trying to understand why you chose to add those words to your post.

Just want to know so I can explain it to my 7 year old granddaughter who we're caring for this weekend while parents are out of town and happened to look at this post.

From: Pat Lefemine
13-Mar-21
Post was removed. We don't tolerate that language here.

From: BC
13-Mar-21
Good move

From: soccern23ny
13-Mar-21

From: soccern23ny
13-Mar-21
(*repost/edited* PG version) Lord... the amount of inaccurate information being spewed on both sides of the issue is laughable and headache inducing all at the same time

1... Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. "assault weapon" etc. That's what they are, the fact that you think they should be called a "sporting rifle" doesn't really help in you trying to prove your point as to why they should not be banned. Comes off as logical as the a lefty saying the 2nd is only for militias. 2... Boebert is garbage and stealing from the tax payers. 20k$ in mileage, oddly the amount her restaurant is in debt for? Also classic "rules for thee not for me" type of chick. 3... No SCOTUS did not rule " if a gun is popular you can't ban it". That was a singular opinion from one justice taken out of context on a broad category of guns (handguns to be specific). 4... not sure I have ever seen a comment from a left leaning bowsite member saying they are never going to try to ban AR15 style guns 5... also sadly most crimes(not domestic) involving guns are from stolen guns. Like for instance the one involving a 14 year old in my town who smoked a random lady with a stolen AR 15(gun type kind of irrelevant to be honest in this case). He had been arrested multiple times with weapons violations at age 14! I mean *scat*, local gun shops are against a proposed law that says they have to secondarily lock up their display stock in a safe at the end of the day. they are resisting that. Like yeah! I a gun and ar15 owner think you should have to lock up your guns extra. I mean, If the only thing i need is a rock and I can steal all your guns by simply smashing a building window and a display case than yeah that's unacceptable.

Perhaps if the elected officials on the right stopped supporting coups and overthrows of government and giving a platform for looney bin conspiracy theorists(boebert, taylor green, etc) than more people would be inclined to vote for them and dems wouldn't have a 3 way majority.

*Fudge*, I don't like many of the policies of democrats and have never voted for a dem for president but *scat*, I won't be casting a vote for a republican anytime soon. If that means I have to hide my ar15 because dems were able to institute a ban on them, than so be it. It's sad when the current dems have more American principles and than the traitorous GOP does.

From: ARLOW
13-Mar-21
Figures, soccer player from NY. Predictable....

From: soccern23ny
13-Mar-21
@arlow... most soccer players from NY own an AR15? What 4th grade joke are you actually trying to make? Other than not addressing the reality of what I said.

From: Surfbow
13-Mar-21
"Enough primers and powder that if my place went up it burn a hole 40ft deep under it. Saw this coming long before the Covid Panic Control Grab."

Thanks for being another powder/primer stockpile guy who buys way more than he needs resulting in normal people having none to buy...

From: Surfbow
13-Mar-21
"*Fudge*, I don't like many of the policies of democrats and have never voted for a dem for president but *scat*, I won't be casting a vote for a republican anytime soon."

Welp, if you vote like an idiot, you're the problem dude...

From: soccern23ny
13-Mar-21
@surf...

that's the dangest thing you said. It's the same thing I heard from my left leaning friends and family. "If you don't vote for candidate A, it's a vote for candidate B"

in your case "if you don't vote for B it's a vote for A"

From: Glunt@work
13-Mar-21
If a 14 YO is out walking the streets unsupervised after multiple weapon charges, the blame for him stealing a gun and killing someone isn't on the law abiding gun store owner or wherever he stole the gun. He is to blame, followed by his parents/guardians, followed by the system that failed him and his victims.

Boebert was elected because gun rights are under assault constantly. I know some are scared of a society with freedom and personal accountability. It comes with risks for sure. The benefits far outweigh the risks in the big picture.

From: soccern23ny
13-Mar-21
@glunt...

I agree with most of what you said. The justice system is largely failed. I was more or less bringing it up to point out resistance to literal common sense gun laws. Should Ar's be banned? No I don't think so. Should gun stores have to actually secure their merchandise? yes

https://www.laurensrapsheet.com/

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f4b155ca23dbb3ab868b37d/t/5f7527900df493541c537a83/1601513362385/LB+Rapsheet+Full.pdf

also boebert is the problem. Sorry, the ends do not justify the means. She is a puppet bought and paid for by big oil and big guns... which is also the main issue in all of politics to begin with(big money). She's been arrested multiple times, resisted arrest and skipped out on court appearances. Truth be told about on par with the current right's definition of "law and order". She is a "do as I say, not as I do" She has the guise of pro gun pro law an order, but she is trash.

From: Jaquomo
13-Mar-21
"Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. "assault weapon" etc. That's what they are"

That's what they were in the 1950s. But they have not been used in war (except the war on coyotes) since about 1962. Lefties like you want to call them "assault weapons" to bolster the narrative, which is a lie.

From: Drnaln
13-Mar-21
A Ruger 10-22 with the wrong clip is called an assault rifle!

From: Woods Walker
13-Mar-21
ANY physical item that you use to attack/beat/kill/disable another person with is an "assault" weapon. If that particular item is left by itself it'll lay there for eternity and rot away and never harm anything or anyone. It's the HUMAN BEING in control of it that does the "assaulting".

So simple even a Democrat can figure it out.....well....maybe not.

From: itshot
13-Mar-21
ummm, so, like..all my weapons identify as defense weapons ?!?

and, so nicknick ur like divisive tone and rhetoric & like mischaracterizations are making me uncomfortable and stuff?!?

& soooo, like ur bogus registration and like totally flagrant abuse of other forum rules makes me want to sort of just have u cancelled?!? maybe fired from ur job too & stuff?!?

From: Stix
13-Mar-21
The original AWB accomplished nothing. Columbine school shooting happened 5 years into it.

Original AWB exempted Ruger mini-14 and mini-30, as William Ruger is big democratic party donor.

I try not to marginalize this effort. This is about control, but only controlling law abiding citizen,and nothing else.

And I don't like Bobert. She is a crumb. Take a look at her criminal background and what het neighbors have to say about her.. She doesn't get a free pass because of her being pro-2nd amendment. Her democrat opponent was a bigger crumb. So it was truly a case of lesser or two evils.

From: Jackaroo
13-Mar-21
“Perhaps if the elected officials on the right stopped supporting coups and overthrows of government”

This statement is where you stop any conversation with a fool. If it is stupid enough to believe the media and politicians he’s not worth discussing anything with.

From: DanaC
13-Mar-21
And if you follow Q-Anon and the rest of the conspiracy mongers, you're likewise "not worth discussing anything with."

13-Mar-21
My mother was a smart woman. She said you can never win an argument with a fool. Having said that I would love for all of us to remove emotion for a moment. We need to look at where the problems are and why. My first question is how often are the firearms in question used in actual crime? How often do these crimes get prosecuted? How often are these crimes drug related? I am an optimist at heart. I suspect we could remove a lot of our problems by simply allowing folks to work. I have attempted to explain my views to my congressman and senators. We do not need to restrict our best to control our worst.

From: itshot
13-Mar-21

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13-Mar-21
I always thought it was against the law to "assault" people. Perhaps we should more effectively punish those who "assault", with any weapon.

From: Stix
13-Mar-21
"all my weapons identify as defense weapons"

That right there is how we need to re-focus the argument.

Congress needs to listen to the majority. The overwhelming majority are law,abiding. Why do they make laws,that penalize law abiding citizens?

My Ak47 never assaulted anyone. It doesn't get up in the morning contemplating to assault people, and then go out and do it on It's own volition

I'd like to suggest to you all that semi-automatic firearms are nothing more than a higher performance firearm. Banning them is like banning a high performance Corvette because a drunk driver killed someone in an accident with one. We dont ban the Corvette, we prosecute the offender.

And by the way, an reckless use of a vehicle, especially driving under the influence kills more people than firearms. Why not a campaign to ban cars then? And cars are not protected by the constitution.

13-Mar-21
I don’t know who Q-anon is, but if you even remotely support anything that chips away at our constitution, then you are a traitor. That includes the second amendment. Someone mentioned focusing on the problem and leave emotion out of it. That’s simple. Obey God’s 10 Commandments, and protect the Constitution.

From: Drnaln
13-Mar-21
Lots of suggestions on here but the people that are chipping away at our 2nd Amendment don't really care about how we feel. They could careless about our rights & how guns don't kill people...people kill people! They are on a mission to win at all costs. Not 1 gun was found at the Capitol after January 6th protest/riot. 1 shot fired by an unknown police officer that killed a Lady protester. Look at what happened since!

From: TD
13-Mar-21
Tank, I do what I can but ..... Back when Regan was reelected in 84(?) HI was the only state he lost if I recall. And it was around noon or so here election day when Mondale conceded. HI still voted for him. Is what it is.

"Permits to Acquire" are good for one year, so I'm in the Police dept where you get it fairly regularly. A couple years ago the lady said, "wow, you own a lot of guns! why do you have so many?" I told her "because I can....." A couple years ago they made it far more invasive.... required fingerprinting and a mug shot, along with birth certificate and drivers license to register with the new system (which cost about $40). Literally treated you like a criminal being booked. We fought it but it went through. Along with the common leftist statement of "well, if you're not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have anything to worry about...." Well why am I being treated like I'm being booked for breaking a law already, I've done nothing wrong. Crickets.

I am a member of the Hawaii Firearms Coalition. We are in the middle of a fight with new state bills right now. "Assault Weapons" ban, mag restrictions, etc. I email my reps, do what I can to make my voice heard, as actual hearings are on another island. But here it is surely all uphill and against the wind...

13-Mar-21
When I was in HI back in ‘12-‘13, I met many local Hawaiian’s on Oahu who were proud to own AR15’s. Many at the local archery range. I can almost guarantee that most of those locals did not have any kind of permits. There are many guns that government officials don’t know about on the island’s.

From: Bowbender
13-Mar-21
1... Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. High powered sniper rifle. That's what they are, the fact that you think they should be called a "bolt action hunting rifle" doesn't really help in you trying to prove your point as to why they should not be banned.

FTFY....

Words....well, they mean things. An assault weapon is select fire between full auto and semi-auto. Its typically an intermediate power round. A detachable mag does not make it an assault weapon. Nor does a pistol grip or a vertical foregrip. It's no more an assault weapon than my .308 with a 4x16 Vortex scope is a sniper rifle.

According to the CDC there IS a product that currently causes ~90,000 deaths per year. Entirely legal. No background check, no purchase limit. Only requirement is age. It's a product that causes roughly 180X the number of deaths than ALL long guns including those evil assault rifles. I can purchase it at the grocery store, gas station....

From: TD
13-Mar-21
"My weapon identifies as a defense weapon.... "

LOL! That's awesome. Perfect! Made my day..... instead of using pronouns we can use rifle, pistol, shotgun and go from there into identifying actions, auto, semi-auto, bolt, lever, (oh!) pump..... I'm not sure what part of the alphabet my savage 24 20ga/223 would fit into..... but I love it just the same.....

From: Jackaroo
13-Mar-21

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13-Mar-21
From: IdyllwildArcher 12-Mar-21Private Reply The Democrats will forever try to chip away at gun laws just like Republicans will forever try and chip away at abortion laws. Both get nowhere and the status quo continues. Really!? Democrats aren’t just chipping away at abolishing the 2nd amendment Ike!! In fact they are doubling down on both and pedal to the metal! It’s why we need real men to stand up for innocent life they are one in the same and I’ll say if men can’t stand up for the truth and true science of not killing babies we will never win anything let alone the 2nd amendment.

From: Shuteye
13-Mar-21
I hope I live long enough to see what happens. I am old as dirt. I can see a real blood bath if they try to take our guns. Molon Labe.

From: Glunt@work
13-Mar-21
TD: If a guy had to choose one gun the 24 is tough to beat!

13-Mar-21
“ Democrats aren’t just chipping away at abolishing the 2nd amendment Ike!!”

Andy,

First of all, where in my post did I post an opinion on either topic? I did not.

Second, which new Federal gun laws have affected you in the past 10 years? 20 years?

Lastly, which anti-abortion laws have actually stuck past SCOTUS review in the past 10 years? 20 years?

My point is there’s a lot of hand wringing, hyperbole, bills presented, bills passed, etc. But the net effect has been close to nothing over my adult life.

From: Jaquomo
14-Mar-21
State gun laws are more onerous than Federal these days. All of our (wife and I) detachable magazines would be illegal in CO if they had date stamps. Thank goodness the Dems weren't smart enough to figure that out when they passed the stupid law. Rep Diana Degette thinks magazines are "ammunition" and are useless once the load is exhausted.

I had to drive 30 miles to the WY state line to sell a gun to one of my closest friends. Next we'll be violating a soon-to-be enacted "safe storage" law. Colorado is as screwed as the other blue states.

14-Mar-21
That's true, Lou. But the subject at hand, is Federal gun laws.

It's questionable which of the two (State vs Federal) is more onerous or caries more weight. But the subject of early 2021 is Federal gun laws.

And a 50/50 Senate is less than Democrats need to enact anything meaningful.

From: Lawdy
14-Mar-21
When it comes to abortion, God is on the side of those who fight it. The final judgement will tell who is truly right, those who support killing the unborn, or those who believe it has a right to live. I support the side of morality, including one’s right to defend ones self against those who intend to hurt us or enslave us to a government gone totalitarian. I believe that history will prove me right.

From: DanaC
14-Mar-21
Nothing like a conversational 'dismount'. Let's ignore the original topic and talk about MY agenda.

From: Woods Walker
14-Mar-21
Maybe it's time for the states that still have sane (non-Democrat) leadership to do like the Democrat states did over the past years...IGNORE Federal law, like sanctuary cities. Why not have a sanctuary city/states for the legal, inalienable 2A Constitutional right? Or would that be domestic terrorism?

I'm probably on their watch list now. If I disappear that's why. But at least I won't be alone.

14-Mar-21
It's going to be interesting to see if Schumer and the Democrats remove the filibuster.

Trump was stymied by the filibuster when he held both houses.

I wonder if Democrats are really looking at the long game because as I've heard before majorities come and go and Republicans could soon be in charge with no filibuster.

Could you imagine a nationwide abortion band or right to work law with a simple majority in the Senate? Be careful for what you wish for...

14-Mar-21
Ike I see what you’re saying but that was then this is now and we can’t sit back and say that it’s all no big deal anymore. This is the left’s perfect storm right now and they will use fear now more than ever because COVID has shown them it will work!

From: Woods Walker
14-Mar-21
"I wonder if Democrats are really looking at the long game because as I've heard before majorities come and go and Republicans could soon be in charge with no filibuster."

I fear that will never happen again Mike, because with the mail-in vote fraud now being part of our election system, a Republican will never win another major race of significance.

The fix is in. We've been shafted.

From: Tank
14-Mar-21
If you did not learn your lesson during the Obummer years, shame on ya. I shoot, and shoot a bunch in CMP, NRA, ARA etc. I got caught when that knuckle head from AZ thought he could beat Barrraaack! I said "never again". When the Trumpster came in office it was like magic and all the Soros owned companies like Rem. Fed, CCI, all started trying to make $ again.Reloading components were cheap and plentiful.

What we are now hearing is that Slow Joe or the Camel Toe will over regulate the sales of firearms. Even face to face sales whereby they can stall out the NCIS system or crash it effectively stopping mass gun sales. I know, I know, after a certain time limit the sale can go thru. That will be addressed in the regulation to federally stop a sales cold.

I was a huge Jobber in my area this week. Just a warehouse that sells wpns nationally online, (no instore), well I know a guy . . . . When, I pull up to the Urban camo'ed building the was a USPS and Fed Ex truck in the small space and both trucks were filled to the roof with small boxes about 12x16". Inside they were boxing HG's so fast it was like a GMC assembly line.

Just like the Border problem, our new Crotchity in Chief Joe has created the largest weapon buying machine since the communists started selling Kalishnikov's. Its like a Weapon Pandemic and Biden and the dems are going to try anything to get it stopped. The Border, not so much.

14-Mar-21
It wasn’t all that long ago that the Republicans had that majority. How quickly we forget. Problem with that is the swamp that’s infested the Republican Party. I don’t think there’s any question on who these corrupt politicians are.........

14-Mar-21
Who’s going to comply....Pretty simple!

From: Ermine
15-Mar-21
Hope it doesn’t pass. Hopefully there’s a few demo rats that haven’t lost their brain

From: bigswivle
15-Mar-21
“Who’s going to comply....Pretty simple!“

Knock knock

Who’s there

Yes sir we are here to collect your AR 15 and all the ammo

........................what do they think is gonna happen

From: woodguy65
15-Mar-21
“Who’s going to comply....Pretty simple!“ Knock knock

"Who’s there

Yes sir we are here to collect your AR 15 and all the ammo

........................what do they think is gonna happen"

Thats not what they will do - the Democrats learned their lesson with Ruby Ridge and Waco - public nightmares, even the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) ordeal where "friends" showed up.

Democrats will legislate everything - laws and taxes. Additionally, you will have to insure and certify/register each firearm each year and pay a small tax each year on each firearm. Don't comply you say, now you lost your health insurance! Since the new gun laws will be tied to medical for the health and safety of children. Now your wife and kids can't get their prescriptions because of your guns. You wont be able to afford ammo and if you do - you'll be buried in paperwork, don't comply - fined and jail time. Get caught with an unregistered gun - court case, fined and jail time. But the guns (all but the black ones) will still be there on the shelves to buy and they can still say they "dont want to take your guns away".

From: Tank
15-Mar-21
Yes I would agree. They will tie gun ownership to SS, your job, your retirement, your healthcare, your children anyway to limit guns sales and or ownership. Then, tax tax all of it. Tax it on every one of those items above again. When it costs a $1300 to own a black rifle they will slowly become not so appealing.

Tank

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21
Once again, if some Democrat controlled state can ignore Federal immigration law and declare itself a "sanctuary" from those Federal laws, then why can't a Republican controlled state do the same with anti-2A gun laws?

From: Bake
15-Mar-21

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Missouri has been trying to do it for years. Maybe it will happen this year. . . .

From: krieger
15-Mar-21
The people that will comply are the same ones saying now, " that they lost theirs in a boating accident." Stop the cowardice talk. Time to stand up and demand that gov't serve us, we don't serve the gov't.

Assault weapons banned by politicians and people that don't have the spine to actually ban assault by the groups like Anitfa and BLM. Endless stupidity....

From: Jaquomo
15-Mar-21
If the Dems approach this from a tax standpoint, they can ram it through in 2022 with reconciliation, which will only require 50 votes in the Senate. Have to hope that a couple Dems in blue states have enough balls to vote against it.

From: Drnaln
15-Mar-21
Dems with balls? You must mean Nancy!

From: wilhille
15-Mar-21
Gun control laws and bills were initiated for one reason, to keep guns out of the hands of minorities. Reagan initiated some of the first gun control laws in California for that reason. The same as anti drug laws. Make them felonies then those minorites can't vote or have firearms. It's a way to ensure that the government can keep guns out of the hands of certain demographics. We would have to admit that fact in order to address it. Not many Republicans want to admit that. Maybe if we can get the Dems on board with that, we might have a chance. Gun control is inherently RACIST. we need to "cancel" gun control. Flame away if you wish, but it's the truth. Set a precedent, then you control the narrative.

From: Tank
15-Mar-21
Think if it budgetary they will need 60 votes in Senate for approval. With the Cancel Society with what it is now after the Covid ordeal Studdering Joe and his handlers will use Executive power and and the House to try and sell the "all Handguns that are hicap and semis and semi Rifles in same language".

California and NY would be way out front on this but like the old saying "give em enough rope" has come to fruition. They are facing huge voter revolts since Nov 3rd and have no room to move on 2A like they would like.

If we look at the time line for this to get done before 2022 it is very short. This Border Chaos will blow up when it warms and will eat lots of time up in the legislative calendar for sure. Then, you have to think the backlash for so called Dems in moderate districts are in a fight for 2022 and that politicing must start by September 21. Yep, this will be mostly talk and executive actions I believe.

I hope this wild Dem sweeping GvT by Exec order is remembered by even Conservative everywhere. Take note and have a plan when time comes. Please people (do not listen to Paul Ryan's or Mitt Romney's with respect to our 2A rights.

Tank

From: Copperhead
15-Mar-21
This was true the first time and will forever be true. "When they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns".

The reason it will always be true is more obvious than you think. That statement is not talking about the current outlaws it is talking about all of those current law abiding gun owners that will not give up their guns on the effective date of that law. When that day comes my friends it will get beyond bad if it is enforced to the letter of the law.

My suggestion is to prepare yourselves for the fight but in the mean time also be pro-active in not allowing it to come to that.

From: stealthycat
15-Mar-21
if the Democrats do this - they'll create tens of millions of illegal people - gun owners will not comply IMO

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21
What scarier than, "only outlaws having guns", is only the GOVERNMENT having guns. When you combine that with the reality that they are now purging the military's ranks of "MAGA" people, so it'll make it much easier for them to give the order to shoot and kill Americans they deem "domestic terrorists".

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
Civilians don't need weapons of war..

From: Copperhead
15-Mar-21
Woods Walker, that is why it was written into the bill of rights. Our elected officials that vote for this law to come into effect will at the time they cast their vote be criminals themselves and should be arrested immediately because they were sworn to uphold the constitution.

From: Copperhead
15-Mar-21
Rsquared, is that your stance or just a quote?

15-Mar-21
RSquared is a troll...

Let’s look at Chicago....

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
Honestly I was just playing around by saying that. I don't care either way. I'm not a gun guy. I think both sides have good points tho

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
I'm a troll for giving my opinion? I don't understand why civilians need weapons of war but I understand if u take them away from law abiding citizens, criminals are still gonna find away to get them so I understand the argument on both sides

From: Bowbender
15-Mar-21
Not a gun guy? That's cool. Are you a freedom guy? Or do you prefer to lick the boot placed upon your neck, while offering up any orifice for safety and security?

These guys had some first hand experience on why citizens need to be armed.

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
So what are u saying? If u feel enslaved your gonna fight the government? That would last about 10 minutes with or with out assault weapons...

From: drycreek
15-Mar-21
Rsquared, you don’t “need” a bow either, or water skis, or football games, or wheelbarrows, or just about anything else I could name . It ain’t about need sport, it’s about a right that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment of our Constitution, and given to us at creation by God Almighty. If you can’t wrap your head around that, then there’s no hope for any further conversation.

From: Vonfoust
15-Mar-21
For a couple thousand years bows were weapons of war. I'm sure in some cultures they still are.

From: Stix
15-Mar-21
I am against the AWB, but Rsquared has a valid but slightly inaccurate point. You would last < 5 minutes, with or without a semiautomatic firearm once the swat team sends in flash bangs, tear gas, and K9's

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
I said I was basically neutral on the issue but then people started getting ignorant towards me on the issue...sorry but once u bring a god into an argument, then I'm out...

From: sleepyhunter
15-Mar-21
"" I don't understand why civilians need weapons of war ""

You should take time to watch the movie Red Dawn.

15-Mar-21
Great post and reminder Bowbender!

From: Bowbender
15-Mar-21
"That would last about 10 minutes with or with out assault weapons..."

"You would last < 5 minutes, with or without a semiautomatic firearm once the swat team sends in flash bangs, tear gas, and K9's"

We're still in 'stan ain't we? Basically what you're saying is they would need literally thousands of coordinated confiscations across the nation. Cuz ya might pull that shit off once or twice on random locations. Third time might not go as planned.

"I said I was basically neutral on the issue but then people started getting ignorant towards me on the issue..."

No. People challenged your position and your feelings got hurt.

15-Mar-21

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From: Jaquomo
15-Mar-21
What "weapons of war" do civilians own now? Need to turn off CNN, my friend. AR-15s haven't been used in war for almost 60 years.

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21
I "need" a firearm because people like Rsquared say I don't. Who the **** are you to tell me what God given rights I can and can't have???

From: 12yards
15-Mar-21
If it goes bang, it can be used in war. Pistols, pump shotguns, etc., have all been used quite effectively in war. Should they all be banned too? Is my semi auto shotgun a weapon of war? Should they be banned? Long guns kill so few people in this country, it's ridiculous they are being targeted. Cell phones, beers, cars are far more violent and destructive to humans.

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo

15-Mar-21
Hypothetical. If the government declared gun owners had 10 days to turn in their weapons of war or, face military force during their confiscation, they’d prime a militia response to their first attempt.

Reality. They know this and are slowly chipping away at the ability to own a firearm. Mostly on local and state levels. However, if this goes through, it’s hard to tell where it goes and what it will leave in its wake.

Yes, there are a lot of people who won’t care one way or the other. There are some who’d sell their soul to stay alive. And, there are quite a few who’d take it for the threat it is. Including the men sent to take them. It’d get ugly pretty quickly.

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21
"I don't know alot on the issue....."

Well you got that part right.

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21

From: Supernaut
15-Mar-21
A hunting site where supposed "hunters" don't support the Second Amendment and voted for the party that would love nothing more than to take away our Second Amendment rights..... unreal.

From: Bake
15-Mar-21

From: Catscratch
15-Mar-21
I have yet to hear a good point come from the anti-2A side.

From: LBshooter
15-Mar-21
Cat, they have no reason at all. They actually think gun violence will stop if they ban guns lol so maybe they haven't figured out cocaine has been illegal in this country forever and yet plenty of it flows in the streets. The only reason linerals want guns banned is they are scared they will be used against them one day.

From: Bowbender
15-Mar-21
"Bcs I don't care and have giving it about 30 seconds of thought in my whole life."

Perhaps you can recommend a good IPA.

15-Mar-21
As Ike said above...All speculation at this point and until something is actually passed...Nobody knows!

I'm more worried about what I'll draw this year...

From: 3rd Degree
15-Mar-21
It's really pretty simple. The second amendment protects all the others. Just look what they are doing now. Imagine what they would do if they have all the guns, and nothing to fear.

They are trying to buy us, and divide us. Just look at the recent stimulus package. Covid relief? Only 9% went to that. And only 1% went to vaccine. But they are starting from scratch? How about the part that gives $$ only to minority farmers? Not All farmers that need it, just minorities.

They moved the wall from Mexico to DC. All those troops? Why do they need that protection? What are they planning? Why are they so afraid? Treasonous? Treasonous is right. They are drunk with power. The 2A is there to keep them in check, because they work for us.

New riots in Portland. And of course no one arrested! But we, Americans for the preservation of America are domestics terrorist who need to be checked? Utter brainwashed nonsense.

This is not about public safety. If it was, they would go heavier against the criminals with guns. Background checks? How many mass shooters were in their sites, but were still able to purchase or get guns? Clean up Chicago and the other murderous cess pools, then you can bring this argument to the table. Still not gonna listen, but would be a good start.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21

From: spike78
15-Mar-21
Our government is nothing but a legal organized mafia plain and simple.

From: drycreek
15-Mar-21
Rsquared seems to be speechless. Karma lives !

From: Woods Walker
15-Mar-21
I would hope that people who aren't necessarily gun owners would also realize that if the corrupt politicians can literally strip us of one basic Constitutional right, then why would anyone with an ounce of grey matter think they WOULDN'T do it to any/all of the others???

The majority of career politicians that now are in control of this country will stop at NOTHING to get even more power over us and further deny us what they have no authority to according to the Constitution.

Who do we see about that? When it comes down to it, the answer is simple.....US!!!

From: keepemsharp
15-Mar-21
Over 110 years ago Teddy Roosevelt hunted with a semi auto rifle. The most popular semi auto pistol was patented by Moses Browning in 1911. Hope our senate can kill this crap.

From: stringgunner
15-Mar-21
Anyone who voted for this administration won’t be saying “I told ya so”. So take a hike instead.

From: Rsquared
15-Mar-21
No dry creek I just decided to let it go because my original comment started such an uproar and that was not my intention...I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject and so I'm not gonna debate something I'm not educated in . I will say that I don't agree that people with there guns are somehow keeping the government at bay...

From: Hackbow
16-Mar-21
Rsquared, so you do not believe in the actual intent of the Second Amendment? Congratulations, you get a gold star from the leftists.

From: Rsquared
16-Mar-21
I'm just confused with what some people really think they would do if they decided they were coming for your guns is all? A little out gunned regardless don't u think? Your best bet is to probably vote and peacefully protest if u want

From: Rsquared
16-Mar-21
I'm gonna delete all my comments. I wish u all the best and I respect everyone's opinion and I think this division in this country is sad. I'm on the fence on the issue and I'd like to educate myself a little better before I make a stance on it.

From: Hackbow
16-Mar-21
Rsquared...freedom isn't free. The Founders and Revolutionaries all realized that and accepted the cost that may have to be paid. Just because one has any easy life and great standard of living today does not negate the eventual price.

No one is claiming an individual will out-gun the govt. However, news will spread that some stood against tyranny and others will follow. Many govt actors will (hopefully) not engage citizens.

To not stand up is akin to agreeing to be loaded into railcars. That doesn't work for some of us.

From: Rsquared
16-Mar-21
Well nvm, that would take to long and it's not letting me delete them. Just ignore my comments and carry on with your discussion.

From: Hackbow
16-Mar-21
Rsquared - "I'm on the fence on the issue and I'd like to educate myself a little better before I make a stance on it."

Maybe start with The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers and many of The Founders' other writings.

Understanding history is a powerful tool for combating ignorance and apathy.

From: Rsquared
16-Mar-21

From: Hackbow
16-Mar-21
That explains everything you've posted.

From: TD
16-Mar-21
Then maybe a bit if history and education WRT our Constitution and it's Bill of Rights is in order. Some study into not only what the words are on paper but WHY they are written and in the order they are written. The intent of the framers who designed it. Not some morons in chithole mega-cities that want to dictate their idea of "rights" over the natural born God given rights of mankind.

First a necessary realignment as to perspective..... the Government, both left and right as humans in power always try to do..... has attempted to brainwash it's citizens to believe Rights are GRANTED by the government. The entire Bill of Rights is based on the fact these rights are endowed on man by God, not government.... inalienable, cannot be transferred or surrendered, explicitly denied to do so by government. And is in fact a list of RESTRICTIONS on the government. Things the government is not allowed to infringe on, not under any circumstances. It is up to the citizens to keep their GOVERNMENT in check..... not the other way around.

Any discussion as to Rights needs be based and focused on that premise..... not a false premise that the government "grants" any rights at all. Or has any "rights" of it's own for that matter. That's a BIG deal and never in the history of world has it been stated much less enshrined as the foundation and basis of forming a country. Government exists for the people and in protection of their stated Rights. Not to dictate what rights they allow and what rights they do not. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear. They will TRY to infringe and dictate rights, it's the nature of man and power. The Framers knew that, they studied history and human nature. And tried to empower it's citizens, gave them tools to help prevent the government from overthrowing it's citizens.

People think they can do and say only what the government ALLOWS them to. Gosh, I wonder how that may have happened..... In any discussion over Constitutional Rights it is a false premise, anything that follows along those lines of thought are false as well.... no matter how anyone wants to twist and turn and deceive with what follows. All the lies and deceit are for one purpose..... to remove your rights, entrench and fortify their control and power.

Honestly...... 2020 has literally given them a map and playbook of how to do just that. And have proven to many just how easily the people will stand down, fall in line and hand over their rights..... and justify it all to themselves and those around them.....

From: DanaC
16-Mar-21
Good points, TD.

Too many people forget that *everybody* has rights. What many (most) do NOT have is a *proper* government, one *constituted* to *protect* those rights, and limited to doing so. We in the US have/had one, but some people want to give that government more power to make themselves feel safer. And that can (has) spiral out of control.

(And that does _not_ apply solely to 'gun control'.)

From: Tank
16-Mar-21
If I were you TD I would file suit in district court against 2a rights in Hi. Its a great case and would end up in SCOTUS provided you have standing.

Tank

From: Woods Walker
16-Mar-21
TD X2. Very well put.

16-Mar-21
It’s been mentioned that a fight wouldn’t last 10 seconds or 10 minutes once a flash grenade and tear gas was deployed. Now that I’ve had time to think about that, that is exactly what is wrong with attacks on the constitution and more specifically the second amendment. That mere statement can be read several ways. What is alarming about that statement is that it could suggest that someone like say the ATF could show up at your doorstep in force demanding you hand them over. If you don’t? Flash, bang and your rights and possibly your life is over.

From: Woods Walker
16-Mar-21
How many of our UNARMED pregnant wives being shot in the face by ATF would it take for people to fight back? See....RUBY RIDGE.....

From: Bowbender
16-Mar-21
"Honestly...... 2020 has literally given them a map and playbook of how to do just that. And have proven to many just how easily the people will stand down, fall in line and hand over their rights..... and justify it all to themselves and those around them....."

TD drops mike.........walks off stage.

From: Hackbow
16-Mar-21
TD - Brilliant post

From: Copperhead
16-Mar-21
Wow TD, that was perfectly stated.

From: Jaquomo
16-Mar-21
Excellent, TD. "If it saves just one life"...

Rsquared truly frightens me, because there are millions like him out there who are painfully clueless, yet get to vote.

From: Helgermite
17-Mar-21
" because there are millions like him out there who are painfully clueless, yet get to vote." This is what really scares me about the current state of our nation!

From: Tank
17-Mar-21
I think its been said here before. When the GVT comes for your weapons, uses the premise of child safety, public health, gun violence, etc and uses that governments force to take away your Healthcare, Social Security Checks, SSI, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid and other federally funded programs Millions of people will fall right in line and turn guns in. We saw people hide in there houses for a year for from a flu that was only deadly to a very small sub population of the nation.

We are all going to see the 1995 gun ban regulated upon the population not by Congress but by fiat in the WH. States that have there stuff together are right now crafting State Constitutional Amendments for weapons carry, ownership and zero gun free zones. I would encourage all to call or write your state Reps to have them craft such legislation and demand a State Mandatory Constitution Convention and change vote swiftly. Tank

From: 70lbdraw
17-Mar-21
Rsquared...have you ever heard of Lavoie Finicum?

From: Knifeman
17-Mar-21
TD never seen that explained any better.

From: Stix
17-Mar-21
Lavoy Finicum, was one of the dirt balls who tried to take over a National Wildlife refuge and got shot in an ensuing firefight I knew people who were planning on hunting that refuge and those armed dirt balls wouldn't let them in.

Here is Wikipedia clip:

On January 26, 2016, law enforcement officers attempted to arrest Finicum and other occupation leaders while they were traveling on a remote highway to meet with supporters in the next county. When Finicum's truck was finally stopped by a roadblock, he exited the vehicle into deep snow, making two motions to his jacket while yelling for police to shoot him, which they did. Officers later found a loaded weapon in his pocket.

Prior to the occupation, Finicum lived in Arizona where he made a living as a foster parent and operated a no-income cattle ranch. In Finicum’s own account, Finicum and his wife apparently get almost all or all of their income from being foster parents. His ranch in Chino Valley, Arizona is break even at best and generates no income.

This guy is a bad choice to use as a reference to prove a point. Made a living off the taxpayers as a supposed foster parent. I wonder who was taking care of those kids we were paying for while he was out occupying public lands.

From: Stix
17-Mar-21
So please don't use this guy as a rallying cry. I am against the AWB, people like this guy gives the gun grabbers reason to pursue these bans.

From: Rsquared
17-Mar-21
All I meant when I said I was clueless, is the laws on guns bcs I'm not a gun guy. I don't know whats legal and what isn't legal.

From: 12yards
18-Mar-21
More people are killed annually with a hammer than an AR.

From: Catscratch
18-Mar-21
Rsquared - research some terminology if you're interested. The legal definition of Assault Weapon is a good start. Also learn how guns function.

Once you know some basics you can see that any politician or media source that says we need to ban assault weapons is bold face lying to you and using made up words to strike fear and manipulate you. An AR functions just like any other semi-auto. They claim it's something it's not based on how it looks (black and scary) instead of it's actions. Wonder how that would go for them if they did the same thing with people?

One more thing; we are all innocent until proven guilty. This is a huge concept in our guarantee of freedoms. It is a wrong to assume I'm capable of murder because of something I've purchased. Owning something does not make someone immoral or corrupt, or worthy of discrimination against.

I don't know you, you plead ignorance (which is valid). But surely innocence until guilty, the right to personal defense, and freedom are principles you can place enough importance on to do some research. Good luck to ya.

From: Bowfreak
18-Mar-21
I wish they would ban voting rights for any registered democrat.

From: wytex
18-Mar-21
Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning.

From: Bowbender
18-Mar-21

Bowbender's Link
Gun violence epidemic? I think not.

From: TrapperKayak
18-Mar-21
" I don't understand why civilians need weapons of war ""

All US soldiers were once civilians. Most all US soldiers are Patriots. Most all US civilians who support 2A are Patriots. Patriots defend our Nation, the US. Therefore, I deduce Patriots need weapons of war to defend our Nation, the US. Some of us are unable to join the US military as soldiers. But most all of us who are US Patriots are able to defend our nation, the US, by pulling a trigger. BE THAT PATRIOT. And defend your 2A RIGHTS as a US citizen or soldier. Nuff said.

From: Woods Walker
18-Mar-21
Why do we need weapons of war? Because HOW THE HELL ELSE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND OURSELVES??? With harsh words??

You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

And if we have a government that DOESN'T TRUST IT'S OWN PEOPLE with weapons of "war" or anything else, then that's EXACTLY WHY WE NEED THEM!!!!

18-Mar-21
Funny, I had a thug at a strip mall pull out a knife on me while the peaceful riots were taking place across the country and the talk of defunding the police was/is rampant. Guess what? Defund the police and I’m now supposed to protect my family and myself?

My .45 came out quickly and the unsuspecting thug quickly left the scene after I told him if he comes within 10 feet I’m shooting. His partner left as soon as he saw the .45. Obviously I didn’t have to tell him......so to answer WW, no harsh words are not going to deter thugs and tyrants...... A guy a was talking to earlier said it best. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Then you are left with only the harsh words WW mentioned

From: Rsquared
18-Mar-21
Honestly, I don't think I'd trust that lauren boebert with a tooth pick with the way she comes across on tv. I guess as a little girl she learned to just get loud and nasty you will get your way..but unfortenetly after u get to about 10 years old life don't work that way. people like that are gonna do more damage then good, just my opinion

From: TRnCO
18-Mar-21
Divide and conquer. Just as small groups of hunters that hunt mtn. lion, or coyotes, etc. are getting attacked from the anti crowd, the anti-gun crowd is doing the same. Attacking the AR owners when in fact handguns are used way more often to commit crime then AR's are, BUT since a much larger percentage of US house holds have handguns, the anti-gun crowd wants to attack the smaller populace of AR owners. Chipping away at the block a little at a time.

From: Jaquomo
18-Mar-21
I love Boebert because she doesn't take any crap from the lying, dishonest Dems who claim to want "unity" while ramming their super-left agenda up our butts. We need about 220 more like her.

From: Bowfreak
18-Mar-21
"Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning."

It is called illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Both voting and baring arms are constitutional rights but many are only up in arms by the infringement on one of these.

From: Bowbender
18-Mar-21
"I guess as a little girl she learned to just get loud and nasty you will get your way..but unfortenetly after u get to about 10 years old life don't work that way."

I dunno........seems to have worked pretty good for the liberals over the last 15 or 20 years.

18-Mar-21
I’m just curious. Since the Leftists are all about “Defunding the Police”, just who the heck is going to confiscate and battle uncooperative gun owners?

And... riots, looting and arson... excuse me, Mostly Peaceful Protests, occurred for months without sociopathic police departments or federal agents violently suppressing them... but if gun owners refuse to comply and say, “Leave me alone.”... then SWAT teams (Wait a minute, they’re defunded) or the US Military (Forget Posse Comitatus) is going to attack with tanks, helicopters, stealth fighters and tactical nukes?

What percentage of cops and armed service members do the Leftists believe will be compliant in waging war with US citizens? Do they really believe that Skippy and Tiffany from ANTIFA are going to swell the ranks?

Skippy and Tiffany are good for flinging poo, graffiti, and hitting unarmed people with bike locks, but they don’t seem to stand fast in the face of determined opposition.

I suspect that the Dems and their Marxist dreamers will push as far as they can. I suspect that they will obtain some of their “wish list” goals. Short term.

But remember the old adage. “Be careful what you wish for”

I think that they will be surprised by the push back they awaken when they go too far.

And I’m not even talking about crazy stuff. Normal, regular, conservative-leaning people I know, who’ve never been interested in being politically active other than voting are talking about driving people to polls and volunteering for campaign work, poll watching etc.

The Leftist crowd thinks that they’re the real deal because they make the most noise and more Conservative and Libertarian leaning people want to be left alone and have been more complacent, but they are awakening the ire of regular, hard working people.

From: TD
18-Mar-21
Mark...... you forget when talking to leftists...... they literally have zero sense of either sarcasm or humor and it's funny as heck watching them digest a meme....... after a few minutes study making faces, they will finally blurt out "Hey, that's not real!". A wonder they ever find their way out of their parents basement......

From: Squash
18-Mar-21
. Look at the CA women wrestled to the floor of a bank by cops, for not complying with mask mandates and refusing to leave. So what do you think will happen to gun owners ? Those who believe the cops will not do as their political masters order, are mistaken. As for the military, history shows, most will follow orders as they are indoctrinated to do. Those who will not obey, are being purged as we speak.

From: Woods Walker
18-Mar-21
You bet they are, and add to that the new Secretary Of Defense Lloyd Austin's extreme leftist views and they won't have much of a problem shooting Americans they don't agree with politically.

"Don't need weapons of war...." LIKE HELL WE DON"T!!!!

From: Rsquared
18-Mar-21

19-Mar-21
You can't buy any ammo, or any kind of reloading supplies, anywhere, look at Sportsman's Websites...

19-Mar-21
Sportsman's Warehouse..

From: DanaC
19-Mar-21
https://www.fieldandstream.com/story/guns/the-real-reasons-you-cant-buy-ammo/

From: TrapperKayak
19-Mar-21

TrapperKayak's embedded Photo
TrapperKayak's embedded Photo
This does seem to be working... The squeaky wheel got the grease. The Republican silent majority let it slip through their fingers and now we are ALL paying.

"Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning." True...That's not the answer. We don't need to ban them from voting, we just need to out-number them.

From: Live2Hunt
19-Mar-21
Trapper, now that seal is funny!!!!

From: Bowfreak
19-Mar-21
Tom,

Just remember there are plenty of God fearin', small government, pro life, gun totin', low taxin' conservative bowsiter's who vote Democrat because the "Republican party is not what it used to be."

From: Orion
19-Mar-21
Where are ksflatlander and ziek?

From: Thornton
19-Mar-21
Stix: Quite the opposite. Anybody can look up the drone footage and see Lavoy and everyone in that truck were ambushed while driving around that curve. Cell phone video from inside the vehicle recorded both flash bangs and live rounds hitting the truck well before Lavoy exited to keep others from being shot. Drone footage also showed ATF agents picking up their spent brass immediately after the shooting, most likely in an effort to destroy evidence. Like what they did or not, they stood down the gov't and got away with it, albeit a great financial and personal loss to their families. Guys with that kind of backbone are practically nonexistent any more.

From: Tank
19-Mar-21
Starting to think we are in real trouble when you see president tripping up stairs to AF One. Are 2a rights will surely be in the number one most liberal Senator (VP) in history.

Buy what you always wanted now as it may not be there in the fall.

Tank

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21
Orion- thanks for thinking of me. Unlike many here on the right, I don’t defend or agree with everything a candidate I voted for does or does not do. Overzealous gun control is not the answer. I also don’t go Karen on every price of legislation that may or may not be enacted into law that likely would be shot down by SCOTUS.

I’m still happy with my vote against Trump. Many reasons why but considering January 6th I don’t feel I need to justify my vote to any Trumplican or any traitors that participate in the insurrection.

I hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship.

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21
I also don’t let imposters like “Tank” (aka HedgeHunter/HH/Shawn Magyar) spin me up with idiocy. Lastly, he is self admittedly one of the traitors at the Capitol insurrection. He might just lose his gun rights after he is a convicted felon so his point about the 2A is moot.

From: itshot
19-Mar-21
ksflattire to the rescue ....problem is, biden needs more than a can of fix-o-flat, the whole dim-dem party is propped up by this old pasty frail white racist...coulda had beto or another loser, you must feel honored to have gotten the golden oldie, good grief

From: Crow#2
19-Mar-21
We didnt think Biden would win for President either,I hope you guys are right and it doesnt pass.

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21
I know right...Biden is losing it and I still voted against Trump. Even a senile old man is better than the pathological liar Trump.

From: Orion
19-Mar-21
So you think Biden is doing a good job? You agree with everything going on with the southern border? How about those gas prices? What has he done that is so great?

From: Bowbender
19-Mar-21
“I hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship.”

Exactly!! A most fitting punishment for those that seek to disarm us.

From: Rsquared
19-Mar-21
Longest thread ever...

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21

From: Kidwalker
19-Mar-21
Hmmm. Guess I didn’t see any restrictions on archery ?? gear. Happy days ...

From: RK
19-Mar-21
Yea we are really “lucky” that Old Joe never tells a lie LMFAO ! What a pathetic group you Dems have running this country

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21
“So you think Biden is doing a good job?”

As a leader...yes. Finally a president’s speech or press conference that’s positive.

“You agree with everything going on with the southern border?”

No, I do not agree with everything. Obviously Biden’s election and message is only increasing people trying to cross the border. I do not agree that illegals wait in the U.S. for trial but rather should remain in Mexico....for example.

“How about those gas prices?”

Seriously, I thought gas was a supply and demand commodity. How much affect does a president really have on gas prices.

“What has he done that is so great?”

He got rid many of the unqualified crony idiots in Trumps cabinet. He reversed many of Trumps environmental deregulation policies I disagreed with.

Do you own every decision, policy, and action of Trump and his supporters that are radical? Do you support the January 6th insurrection? Proud boys, Oath Keepers, white nationalist...do you answer for their actions? Do you support the highest national deficit of any president in history (of which Trump has the record)?

From: itshot
19-Mar-21
hahahaha, thx ks, needed that loony leftist laugh!!

From: itshot
19-Mar-21
...sorry, meant centrist laugh....hahahaha

From: sleepyhunter
19-Mar-21

sleepyhunter's embedded Photo
sleepyhunter's embedded Photo
""He got rid many of the unqualified crony idiots in Trumps cabinet.""

From: KSflatlander
19-Mar-21
Well, it is a representative government...

From: itshot
19-Mar-21
good stuff , flat.... you got this

19-Mar-21

'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo
'Ike' (Phone)'s embedded Photo
LMAO...Some must be happy with President Heels Up, because Joe is a empty suit...

From: Woods Walker
19-Mar-21
Joe Stole-it has been an empty suit for the 47 years he's been in politics. He's a textbook example of exactly who should NEVER, EVER be the POTUS!!!

From: 70lbdraw
19-Mar-21
"Seriously, I thought gas was a supply and demand commodity. How much affect does a president really have on gas prices."

Cmon Ryan...really?

From: Thornton
19-Mar-21
Take KS off of flatlander. You're making us look bad.

From: Ambush
20-Mar-21
Dudes make ugly women!! Like, really ugly!

From: Tank
20-Mar-21
Record gun sales and background data base checks. Gun shops are buying back any thing that goes bang, pop or crack. That is a telling indication of the where people are at with the current change in leadership.

In China you can't own a gun. That's rough but you cant use Google, FB or Twitter there either. Maybe the CCP really are only half bad. Tank

From: KSflatlander
20-Mar-21
Gun sales go up every election cycle. Seems like it’s almost by design. January 6th shows you where this country is headed. You should know as you were there...Shawn Magyar.

Guns are going nowhere. The 2A ain’t changing and then there is SCOTUS. Every amendment has limits. I support the 2A but it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments..

Orion- still waiting on your reply. Do you and all other right wingers own January 6th?

Thornton- you don’t need me or anyone else to make you look bad. You do a bang up job yourself, Seriously, taking vet meds...

From: Rocky D
20-Mar-21
“So you think Biden is doing a good job?” “As a leader...yes. Finally a president’s speech or press conference that’s positive“

Once again the liberal loon sounds off in all of his ignorance...

From: Bowbender
20-Mar-21
"I support the 2A but...."

As long as there is a quantifier you don't support the 2A. At least no in the manner the FF intended. We know it. You know it. We know that you know it. You just won't admit it.

"....it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments."

No, but it IS the lynchpin around which the others revolve. The FF fully understood what a malevolent and tyrannical government was. I think they also understood that it's the natural evolution of government to move towards oppression and less, not more liberty. But there are always those that are willing to roll over, piss themselves like little puppies to appease their master, petted on the head and told "good boy."

I'm not a good boy.

From: Rocky D
20-Mar-21
KS, there is a reason that they are numbered 1and 2 and it was on purpose not by mere coincidence.

From: Hackbow
20-Mar-21

Hackbow's embedded Photo
Hackbow's embedded Photo
Yep, these are the ppl KS wants in "leadership" roles so he can continue to justify pillow-biting as a normal and acceptable practice. Sexual deviants and their apologists push for more sexual deviancy to show the world that sexual deviancy is just Fa-Bu-Luth!

These folks put social justice and engineering above actual God-given, Constitutional rights. Their votes and views are no longer surprising since they lead with their depravity anyway.

From: Rsquared
20-Mar-21
And it's still going . Lol

From: Skippy
20-Mar-21
Have you ever noticed that all the people that voted for babbling Joe and heels up Harris come on these public forums and talk about what a good job they’re doing? No.... me neither!

From: Supernaut
20-Mar-21
"Hunters" voting for and vehemently defending the party to that would love nothing more than to disarm us all and then go after our other rights on a hunting site. Twilight Zone stuff.

At least it makes it easy to spot the sheep in wolf's clothing.

From: Skippy
20-Mar-21
Have you ever noticed that all the people that voted for babbling Joe and heels up Harris come on these public forums and talk about what a good job they’re doing? No.... me neither!

From: TD
20-Mar-21
Just like guns kill people..... I guess those anti 2nd amendment bills jump out there on the desk and write themselves.......

"Hey, l know you just swung that bat at my head, but I ducked it..... no harm, not a problem, I know in your heart you were only swinging it at me for my own good....."

good grief.... stupid can be dealt with by a bit of knowledge, common sense and honesty ..... disingenuous OTOH....

20-Mar-21
President Harris will be doing press conferences as soon as her brain absorbs some foreign policy.

From: 70lbdraw
20-Mar-21
I hear they're considering Cuomo as Harris VP after Joe goes down. You know...cuz orange man bad!

From: Ambush
20-Mar-21
I’m pretty sure the Russians and Chinese’ have zoom calls where they make jokes about how NA’s leaders pick their people.

Like picking out Smarties. “ ...ok, we need some brown ones, some yellow ones, some red ones and some rainbow skittles....”

From: Stekewood
21-Mar-21

Stekewood's embedded Photo
Stekewood's embedded Photo

From: Tank
21-Mar-21
Most of the voters dont even know the best thing for America and our rights was seeing Trump getting ousted by a compromised process and the headless leadership that followed.

If the Border thing had not gone Nucelar so fast our 2A rights would have already been dismissed and cancelled to some degree by regulation. We have dodged this but by what? A huge Crisis of human suffering at border.

Two years give or take for 12 more years or more of America first policies. I can live with this. I do have plenty of popcorn and if this Administration runs outta rope and they might, we know where they can get some more. Borrow it from the California Voters.

For like minded Bowsiters and it would seem this forum is full to brim with them I encourage you look at Dan Ball Real America on OANN very clearly the next Rush on TV and a Marine. If you cant get on TV just get him OANN on Rumble. You'll really some real reporting and America first from a guy that's stood a watch or pulled a guard.

Tank

21-Mar-21
“The right of the people, to keep and bare arms, shall not be infringed”

There are no exceptions to this. Whether we are talking a Musket, a shotgun, a .45 or an AR. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Just ask anyone in Australia, or Canada, or New Zealand.....

21-Mar-21
Only a fool would voluntarily register their firearms.

From: Jackaroo
21-Mar-21
Calling Jan 6th an insurrection is on the same level as calling Caitlin Jenner a woman.

21-Mar-21
Stekewood for the win.

From: Rupe
21-Mar-21
The cowardly Leftist finally pipe up and though the Country is going to Hell in a hand basket they still defend their stupidity. Hilarious.

Biden could molest someone and Nuke Canada and these fools would still refuse to admit they screwed up.

From: RK
21-Mar-21
Rupe

So true. Biden’s strong point was going to be his foreign affairs expertise Right. North Korea won’t talk to him, He insulted Russia right from the first, China is laughing their ass off at America and using the Woke BLM culture against us and we obviously no longer have a southern border and Biden has no clue on ANY of it. BUT there are no mean butt hurting Tweets anymore Great choice BS Libs.

22-Mar-21
Robert,

I agree! One caveat, I hope the new batch of conservatives/Republicans (not sure they are the same any more) learn from history that it is better to speak softly and carry a big stick than to shout constantly and lose an election.

From: spike78
22-Mar-21

spike78's embedded Photo
spike78's embedded Photo

From: KSflatlander
22-Mar-21
“There are no exceptions to this. Whether we are talking a Musket, a shotgun, a .45 or an AR.”

Tell that a felon and I’m pretty sure they will explain that there is an exception. Or maybe ask someone under 18. Every single right granted by constitutional amendments have qualifiers, exceptions, or a “but” or whatever you want to call it. There are limits to all rights.

Jackaroo- Do you even know what insurrection means?

“Insurrection- a violent uprising against an authority or government.”

You know your logic is twisted when you try to excuse or justify someone beating a Capitol police officer with a Blue Lives Matter flag and pole. It’s also funny how “Radical Islamic Terrorist” roles off the tongue or Antifa Terrorists are called out (rightfully so) but right wing nuts squirm when the terrorists are domestic and voted for the same presidential candidate.

From: Woods Walker
22-Mar-21
Frank: I think you mean , "...shout constantly and have an election STOLEN from them."

Still can't smell the dog poop on your shoes yet huh? Or maybe you just won't because it's easier to pretend it's not there then to have to deal with it.

From: BC
22-Mar-21
KS, kind of like the antifa uprising in the northwest where they burned Federal courthouses and police stations? Not to mention stores, busniesses and other private property.

From: keepemsharp
22-Mar-21
Feel a little ashamed to be from the same state as Ryan.

From: Bowbender
22-Mar-21
I support the 2A but......

I believe there should be waiting periods.

AR's should be banned. Who needs a weapon of war to hunt deer?

High capacity mags should be banned.

Close the gun show loop hole. Although background checks ARE run at gun shows. We still need to close "that" loophole.

Strengthen red flag laws. Because we should deny rights, based on possible jaded testimony, without and charges ever being filed.

CCW should be changed from "shall issue" to "may issue".

ALL guns should be registered.

Gun purchases limited to one per month.

Tax on ammo for victims of the ongoing gun violence epidemic.

Ammo purchases should be limited. After all, how clips full of ammo do you need to hunt deer?

That about cover it?

From: Bowbender
22-Mar-21
Rick,

I suggest two things in between jumping to conclusions.

#1. Look up the definition of sarcasm.

#2. Re-read my previous posts.

Hope the hamstring heals quickly.

22-Mar-21
Rick,

Tom is being sarcastic.

Lou, the election wasn’t stolen, and he would get even less votes today. I am not the one who can’t face reality Lou, the fact is you cannot accept the majority does not think like you.

Take the same platform minus the constant drama and conservatives will kick booty in ‘22 and ‘24, especially given what this team has been serving up. And you know how accurate my predictions have been.

From: Jaquomo
22-Mar-21
Bowbender's tongue was planted firmly in cheek...

Yep, Bowbender, that's what our center-left posing friends believe. Nailed it.

From: Catscratch
22-Mar-21
Pretty sure bowbender's post was in jest... to mock the many invalid reasons given for gun control.

From: Jaquomo
22-Mar-21
PM cleared things up. Thanks for that.

From: Stix
22-Mar-21
Well I guess Colorado will be next to pass an AWB.

Praying now for all the victims in Boulder.

From: Jackaroo
22-Mar-21
KS, yes I do that’s why I said only the easily led would call Jan 16th an insurrection ,apparently the shoe fits.

From: TrapperKayak
22-Mar-21
"hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship." You mean the anarchists that tried to burn down/ blow up the courthouse in Portland with all the true patriots inside? The rebels that took over the city blocks in Seattle for weeks and burned down the police precincts? And all the others who committed violent acts over most of '20, (not just the couple days at the capitol) that destroyed honest hardworking peoples businesses, livelihoods, property, police protections, and actual human families and their loved ones? Those insurrectionists? KS, you really outdid yourself with that declaration. And the supply demand for fuel example....You obviously flunked HS econ. Or just can't understand that shutting down a major oil pipeline reduces Supply.. wow! You have stomped what zero credibility you already had even further into the ground. hahahaha

From: KSflatlander
22-Mar-21
Trapper- I agree that left wing extremists in Portland deserve the same. I think it’s you that need some economics classes. The biggest reason for the current increase in fuel was low demand during the pandemic and the now increasing demand of an economy recovering. That’s coming from commodity economists. But hey...what are facts and the truth worth to some of you living in your BS bubble.

From: Rupe
22-Mar-21

Rupe's embedded Photo
Rupe's embedded Photo
Another big lie from the Leftist in the group. Trump’s economy was strong and we had low gas prices, but then liars lie and Biden the Liar in Chief (who was a plagiarist, AKA liar) is the exact kind of person they respect.

Here are some facts the fools refuse to admit.

Trump created the best overall economy in more than 50 years:

Employment: PBS News Hour confirmed that this is the best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, more jobs and rising wages.

GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.

Wages: The Washington Post even surrenders to the fact that Trump is the first president to improve wages in a generation where income is at an all-time high. Stock Market: CNN says the stock market has roared more than 40% since Trump’s election.

Gas and Fuel Prices: Gas prices are low in most U.S. states that don't over-tax fuel with local and state taxes. Many states have $2.15 per gallon gasoline right now. Gas prices may fall this summer according to the latest news.

Ethnic Employment Success: The employment success for all ethnicities is at record high. Obama had difficulty creating jobs and many people gave up looking for work.

Manufacturing Jobs: Manufacturing jobs are back in the U.S. for the first time in a generation. Trump created 284,000 manufacturing jobs in 2018. Forbes implied that millions of manufacturing jobs were lost during Obama’s first 2 years in office. Some 1 in 6 were lost between January 2008 and March 2010 and Obama never got those jobs back.

Taxes and Regulatory: Corporate taxes were cut from 35% to 21%. America moved from worst tax system up to one of the most competitive in the world under Trump’s first 2 years in office. Lower tax rates allow U.S. companies to spend more money, buy more assets, pay more employee benefits, buy stock back to put money on Main Street and into state coffers, and even help pay better dividends to seniors who live paycheck to paycheck.

Nasdaq: The Nasdaq stock market value finally exceeded the 1999 prices under Trump. This implies that companies were stagnant for 18 years until Trump took office. Level the Playing Field: With a mixed bag of tax-code improvements, removal of red tape, new trade agreements, and competitive tariffs, the U.S. economy is more insulated from failure. Even the Federal Reserve is willing to lower rates if other countries harm the U.S. trading environment.

From: Orion
22-Mar-21
Your in a bubble if you don't think cancelling the keystone peipeline, stopping on shore and offshore permits, and making us rely on foreign oil more has nothing to do with the increase. When Dems are in office and do these policy it slows down or completely halts lots of US production. This leads us to need more foreign oil the Saudis and everyone else see this and drive the price of crude up. Look back at 2016 through 19 when Trump was in office and people were traveling and driving everywhere gas was nowhere near three dollars a gallon. Your supply and demand illusion is b.s. I've been in the industry for twenty years and you can always tell what is going to happen when Dems take charge. It's hard to push the green new deal and electric vehicles when gas is two dollars a gallon.

From: KSflatlander
23-Mar-21

KSflatlander's embedded Photo
KSflatlander's embedded Photo
Now who is the liar? Since when is 1 out of 4 consistent?

23-Mar-21
Two mass shootings in as many weeks....Interesting!

From: Rupe
23-Mar-21

Rupe's embedded Photo
Rupe's embedded Photo
Obama never had a GDP over 3%. More false stats by the Left. And you had no rebuttal to your ridiculous fictional account of gas prices.

From: TD
23-Mar-21
Biden doesn't build nor (technically) sell firearms either, just as he doesn't buy nor sell oil (he leaves that to his brother and Hunter....) but you'd have to be knowingly lying to say he has no direct effect on either market with a flood of exec orders that will directly effect supply (how many we up to now? he's setting records on a daily basis... but Trump was a fascist dictator.... go figure) as well as statements of support for Anti 2A legislation causing incredible demand as well as prices to spike upwards.

Kinda like telling folks when he gets elected he's opening the borders, but then saying that has no effect on the flood of "immigrants" that is such a mess right now they are denying reporters access to it. But he really has no effect and it's all Trumps fault. Guess Trump was stockpiling em at the border waiting to unleash them on Biden.....

Only way a person can be a leftist and push this crap is to take your sense of reality, or even any common sense at all and check it at the door...... the only other explanation is, well.... bless your lil heart.....

From: Woods Walker
23-Mar-21
Of course. And this past summer's BLM/Antifa riots were "mostly peaceful", and there's "no crisis" at the border.

Must be nice to live in a alternative universe were everything is lollipops and roses.

From: Grey Ghost
23-Mar-21
Well, unfortunately some ass-wipe in Boulder just gave the socialist more incentive to push more gun laws. If I hear the term "gun violence" one more time, I'm going to throw something thru the TV.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the 10 victims and courageous LEO who lost his life in this tragic event.

Matt

From: KSflatlander
23-Mar-21

KSflatlander's Link
Rupe- you are either illiterate or a liar. Your chart shows “Change in GDP” not actual Annual GDP.

You said, “ GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.”

This statement is blatantly FALSE. Funny your response is basically “forget about the false stuff but what about the other stuff.” Maybe if you would read and watch something besides right wing propaganda you would know that.

Seriously, anyone can just google GDP by year. Easy to find the truth. Try it.

Gas prices have been going up since May (before the election). OPEC has agreed to stabilize production even though demand is going up worldwide. Hmmm...

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
Nice try. Lessons in foreign policy may be needed. Lets educate the laymen.

Reason why WTI went soaring was several events both here and abroad.

Athabascan oil will not flow into gulf state refineries or any states anytime soon. Gvt BLM leases pending were nullified. ANWAR new projects beyond current contracts all cancelled. OPEC plus #1 decided against oil output increases to rise prices. Make up for 2020 losses. Texas storms shut down refinement for a month. Oil production insecurity by current Admin has driven costs up dramatically. No different than any other commodity.

Look at 2019 oil commodity prices. Your premise is a CNBC talking point nothing more.

You may want buy that new AR sporter before July. For CO residents I see knee jerk Ban statewide. Prayers Up. RIP Brave LEO Tank

From: KSflatlander
23-Mar-21
LMAO- why did you edit out Shawn Magyar’s signature line and time stamp from your own thread?

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
The assault on 2A will be on the plate now front and center. I fear for the Liberties of Coloradoan's. When have a town like Boulder with gun free zones in half the city your inviting crime. When you go into a private establishment without the right to Bear Arms you put yourself in grave danger. Many Red states are looking to pass Constitutional carry whereby no private establishment can forbid carry if they wish to do business. Very preemptive and will get traction after yesterday. Democrats will surely seize on this tragedy, grandstand and try to pull a CT type weapon policy.Tank

From: Lawdy
23-Mar-21
I believe that bow hunting will be banned before gun hunting. England is an example. The idea of an instant kill with a bullet trumps an animal running away spewing blood. At least to the ignorant.

From: Jaquomo
23-Mar-21
^^^ yep. That's the position HSUS plans to use if/when they put bowhunting on the ballot in a deep blue state.

From: Rocky D
23-Mar-21
If you vote for the left then in actuality you do not fully support hunting or the second amendment!

Secondly, if you support making 30 round magazines or ARs illegal then once again, you are clueless!

Every governmental organization has ARs with high capacity magazines so take your pistol or deer rifle and put them in a trash can because you without ARs you you will easily be overmatched! There is a reason that they have ARs.

Don’t think that you may need to defend yourself from tyranny then go history books or google the topic.

Personally, I think that we need to reframe our argument to the RIGHT to pursue natural food sources and to live as part of nature like our ancestors! This is our culture and our culture should be protected as a basic right...

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
Biden calls for gun bans already.

Knee Jerk and taking advantage of a dire tragedy. Wouldn't expect less from Smokeless Joe. Tank

23-Mar-21
hey Lou...

Did you see Sydney Powell's defense strategy for the lawsuits against her?

"Her legal team claims that “reasonable people” would not take her claims about widespread election fraud as fact."

LMAO...you have been classified as not reasonable now, as well as all other other fringe members I guess. Share this you know where, LOL!

We better hope we get some straight shooters to run against this madness or we will hand the Progressives another 4 years of insanity.

Regarding this topic specifically, recognize the folks the government really needs to worry about are the ones who are not typing out false bravado on the internet. The tougher a person talks publicly the more the reality is they are just the opposite. Ruby Ridge, Waco, January 6th etc... Same guys, same talk! I have concluded they either work for the government trying to expose the nut jobs they need to watch, or are insecure unaccomplished souls trying to stroke their own egos.

23-Mar-21
"I believe that bow hunting will be banned before gun hunting. England is an example. The idea of an instant kill with a bullet trumps an animal running away spewing blood. At least to the ignorant."

I don't see that happening. That action would be an implied indictment against the Native American way of life and simultaneously imply that white man's approach was superior.

From: Helgermite
23-Mar-21

From: Helgermite
23-Mar-21
After many months without any mass shootings there are 2 mass shootings in 1 week just as gun legislation is in the senate. Coincidence?...

Prayers to all the families of the fallen.

From: bowhunt
23-Mar-21
Is bow hunting big in native American communities currently?

Most of the hunting I read about is with guns when it comes to hunting on and off the reservation.

From: Woods Walker
23-Mar-21
Frank: If you want to buy their b*** ***t then go right ahead. I don't. But we've been down this road before. Time will tell, and when people like you finally see the truth for what it is, it'll be too late.

It was a great country while it lasted.

From: Jaquomo
23-Mar-21
Native Americans would likely be exempt from a bowhunting ban, just as they are exempt from many other state hunting and fishing laws.

Frank, are you referring to me, or the other "Lou" you've been arguing with?

From: spike78
23-Mar-21
The Senate is already brain storming as we speak was live on FOX. Gonna be a 4 years for the history books.

From: Glunt@work
23-Mar-21
Boulder shooter looks to be no fan of Trump and likely not motivated by radical Mennonite views. The root to these incidents is evil and mental illness.

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
Get ready to that HR 8 craziness getting thrown at you. Basically make all gun sales other than thru dealers illegal. Transfers and confiscation are noted here as well.

To add: the number one nutjob in Senate Liawatha herself is saying "get rid of Filibuster and do GUN Ban now". The Dem's know that would blow up the USA's three equal branch system and would lead to chaos year to year in Washington.

Call your Rep's today or you may find yourself with a HR 8 pass with RINO support in Senate. The hour is here, call and write immediately. Tank

From: Catscratch
23-Mar-21
I'm so sick of hearing "common sense" gun laws. No room for common sense in the Constitution, it's written very clearly. How about we take the word "gun" out of the statement and replace it with abortion, food, religion, exercise, race, gender, education, speech, etc. Common sense is opinion at best, certainly not something that should hold up to legal scrutiny. Anyone taking this approach is lying to you for lack of real substance. Making up terms and catch phrases is a simple diversion tactic for people who they want to manipulate, but don't have a valid argument to persuade with.

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
Fact is guys these whacky Dems may just kill filibuster to get HR8 approved. You better read and understand what HR 8 does and means! It would make at least 50 million felons over night. If you did not see this coming and get an FFL as Trump was going out the door you maybe in a compromised position buying or selling a weapon even to private party.

If that BS passes and it could it will be a new dawn of Liberties in this Nation I can asure you. Tank

23-Mar-21
Jaq,

Talking, not arguing with Woods Walker;-)

WW, get real, when the people who started the lies about a false election distance themselves from it, that is the truth. I have already seen it, you need to open your eyes.

It will continue to be a great country in spite of grumpy old men telling us otherwise. Hey, didn't I read you are getting your covid shot? Weren't you one of those who said this was all a conspiracy to get rid of trump? Hmmm!

From: buckhammer
23-Mar-21
Just an observation of mine. I have noticed that when there is shooting in this country and the individual(s) being shot are a minority the left wing media labels it a hate crime and racism must be addressed in this country. When there is a shooting in this country and the individual(s) being shot are Caucasian the left wing media labels it a mass shooting and gun control must be addressed. What really needs to be addressed is the mental illness of the shooter.

From: Tank
23-Mar-21
Not metally ill. Just a man who has an in grained ideology. Who went to a place where Gun Free Zones are prevalent. Would have easy to profile him out in that town. The chief of Boulder Police needs to be scrutinized and does the town gun policies. She does not exude proficiency or confidence in policing at a glace at all. At her first presser she looked like a doughnut eating jay walking ticket writer. I could be wrong but first impressions were not good. Tank

From: Rocky D
23-Mar-21
“WW, get real, when the people who started the lies about a false election distance themselves from it, that is the truth. I have already seen it, you need to open your eyes.”

HW, do they do this in the same way as the left distanced themselves from Russian Collusion?

From: Jaquomo
23-Mar-21
So-called "assault weapons" are already illegal to possess in Boulder.

Waiting for this to be labeled a racially/politically motivated hate crime by the media, since this individual was allegedly a Middle Eastern-born Muslim who hated Trump, and killed a bunch of white people. Have a feeling we'll be waiting a long time for that..

From: Rocky D
23-Mar-21
“WW, get real, when the people who started the lies about a false election distance themselves from it, that is the truth. I have already seen it, you need to open your eyes.”

HW, do they do this in the same way as the left distanced themselves from Russian Collusion?

From: Woods Walker
23-Mar-21

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
This should hep Jaq........

From: Rocky D
23-Mar-21
“ Have a feeling we'll be waiting a long time for that..”

Ditto, the road to transparency.

From: TD
23-Mar-21
LOL WW! Made my day..... thanks. All great humor has a scent of truth about it. That was great humor.

From: Rupe
23-Mar-21
Flathead you’re dumber than I even thought. You’re just the kind of supporter the Left depends on. To rail at Trump and then vote for a known plagiarizing sex offender is right up your alley

From: Rocky D
23-Mar-21

From: DanaC
24-Mar-21
" Syria and practice Islam. ? Obama? "

But, but, but, Trump claims he was born in Kenya! ;-)

From: Catscratch
24-Mar-21
The internet is crawling with articles that the Colorado shooter used an "assault weapon", but I can't seem to find info on what gun was used. Does anyone know or have a link?

My guess is that it wasn't an assault weapon but the media is selling it as such. Politicians are wasting no time in taking advantage of this tragedy to push their agenda. Too bad they will villainize the gun, but not the man who CHOSE to kill people. Seems completely ass backwards to me.

From: 70lbdraw
24-Mar-21
I caught the end of a news cast that said it was a "long gun", but didn't offer details. Otherwise, I'm sure they'll mold it to fit their narrative.

From: Supernaut
24-Mar-21
Everything is an "Assault Weapon" if it's used to assault someone. The use of the term "Assault Weapon" is just another ploy the left uses to pull the wool over the eyes of the uneducated, voting masses in their never ending effort to disarm all of us.

I wonder if a common Chef's Knife in England becomes classified as an "Assault Knife" after it's used to stab someone?

From: DanaC
24-Mar-21
Report I read says it was a Ruger AR 556

From: Tank
24-Mar-21
Yes Ruger AR

Well, Biden administration slid left to Executive action on Weapons. Looks like the Whip count in Senate does not favor Ol Biscuit Joe. So, they going to try a Exec Regulations which I think will be a Tax, and a NCIS Change and probably a limit on gun transfer scope, type and numbers. Which of course will be challenged before the ink is dry. Tank

From: DNEWER
24-Mar-21
Thank a democrat

From: No Mercy
24-Mar-21

No Mercy's embedded Photo
No Mercy's embedded Photo
Here’s some truth

From: Bowboy
24-Mar-21
They stated on the news today the shooter had mental illness and was on the FBI radar. My question is why wasn't information on his background check when he purchased the weapon. IMO this is the problem with the system they should have denied him the opportunity to purchase a firearm. They stated he purchased it online.

From: TrapperKayak
24-Mar-21
All semi automatic weapons have the same firing capacity, pull the trigger once and it fires once. One shot per pull. It fires as fast or as slow as you pull the trigger. It does not matter what it looks like, black, brown, plastic, composite, wood, handle., pistol grip, ventilation, scope, etc., the action is the same. So, an 'assault weapon' to gun control advocates, means YOUR semi-automatic hunting weapon. Biden wants to ban them. And so do all the gun control freaks. Not just black guns that look like 'weapons or war'. Your hunting semi... ALL of them. KSbubbleboy, you really don't get it. "I think it’s you that need some economics classes. The biggest reason for the current increase in fuel was low demand during the pandemic and the now increasing demand of an economy recovering." Price based on supply, and it was low prices, high supply during the last 4 years. Now the morons in the majority are reducing supply. Price goes up. Demand goes up, cost should go down since they sell more. Its a false price hike now because this butt head admin. wants YOUR money to pay for its 2 TRILLION LEFT PORK SPENDING FOR FREEBIES FOR ILLEGALS, AND ALL THE OTHER BS THEY 'NEED' YOUR MONEY FOR. Wake up. And you don't need the last word here, because you are (as you love to say), FLAT OUT WRONG.

From: TrapperKayak
24-Mar-21
And if you think this administration isn't in bed with BIG oil (they ALL are), they its YOUR bubble to be burst! hahahaha

From: Jaquomo
24-Mar-21
His family knew he was a nutjob with anger issues. They knew he had the 556, and his brother said he was "playing with it" during the days before. Seems like his family was sorta scared of him. Or at least "hoped" he wouldn't do anything bad. I hate the Red Flag law, and this is a perfect example of how laws like that don't work if nobody reports him. Because if they do and LEO looks the other way or he gets the gun back, which he could legally own, he might kill whoever reported him.

Mental health issues don't show up on background checks. The left wants them kept private. The right doesn't want anyone who has ever sought counseling for any little thing, ever in their lives, to he barred from lawful gun ownership. So where should the line be drawn. IDK.

From: Gunny
24-Mar-21
I see some outlets have dropped the "Assault Rifle" moniker, and only using the "Weapons of War" terminology.

Obama has came out from under his rock as he always does when there is a shooting. He actually posted his comments before "obiden" did.

Is it true, Boulder already had restrictions on AR's?

From: Woods Walker
24-Mar-21
So much for "Red Flag" laws.

From: Jaquomo
24-Mar-21
So-called "Assault weapons" were banned since 2018, until a week ago when a Federal judge ruled against it. So the MSM is framing it as, "Days after the assault weapons ban was lifted..." ( WAPO headline) as if this POS cared about the ban and was just waiting for it to be rescinded to carry out his plan.

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
From what I have read, it likely wasn't a rifle. Sounds like an AR based pistol.

Crazy, evil people also use cars, a gallon of gas and a match, airplanes, knives, pressure cookers and all sorts of things to harm others.

From: Jackaroo
24-Mar-21

Jackaroo's embedded Photo
Jackaroo's embedded Photo

24-Mar-21
"Mental health issues don't show up on background checks. The left wants them kept private. The right doesn't want anyone who has ever sought counseling for any little thing, ever in their lives, to he barred from lawful gun ownership. So where should the line be drawn. IDK."

Lou, thanks for your courage to post this, as this point is really what needs to be discussed as a nation. The general public in pursuit of our God given right to life and liberty should expect to be able to do that free from those who are either evil or unfortunately mentally unstable.

What rights can other members of society take away from individuals thought to be harmful to others or themselves? Their freedom? Their right to own firearms? I am with you in that I lack the wisdom to answer these questions, but both sides know legitimate concerns exist and refuse to compromise.

Certainly others will find fault with my position that ownership within your own abode and on your own property ought to be an absolute right that proof of mental defect or intent for harm of others would need to be near absolute and irrefutable to strip you of this right, and no I cannot define "absolute proof" that would be acceptable to all.

OTH, when carrying outside of one's home and property, I can accept and desire proof of competence on par with what is required for driving an automobile in most states as well as insurance and possibly other potentially protective measures. These would not include Red Flag Laws as written today, but with irrefutable evidence of a potential violent occurrence, let's say 72 hour, emergency orders can be executed to control an individual's access to deadly instruments of all types, but unless supported with absolute proof, the orders would cease after the time period of X, in this example 72 hours.

No solution is perfect to me, including the one advocated by most on the right that the government has no right whatsoever to restrict ownership. When individual rights interfere with the rights of others, who should reign supreme? IDK!

Thanks again!

From: Ermine
24-Mar-21
I’ve always had a heck of a time purchasing guns. There is someone with my same name and birthdate who has a history. I have no criminal record. Every time I’ve gone to purchase a gun it’s taken a long time because I get denied and then have to prove I’m not the bad guy.

With that said. Evil people are the problem. It’s not guns. You could ban all the guns you want and evil people would still find them. Just like drugs.

Look at Mexico. It has very strict gun laws. But has the most murders by guns than anywhere

From: elkmtngear
24-Mar-21
Shouldn't "assault weapons" be defined as the ones that do (by a huge margin) , the most "assaulting"? (handguns)

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
Unfortunately, a subjective judgement on mental health isn't a reasonable solution.

People are losing jobs just for attending Trumps speech (not going to the Capital). I cant trust authorities to make competent decisions on what constitutes a mental state that isn't acceptable.

Members of Congress are accusing fellow members of the Legislature of trying to get them killed.

Removing rights before someone infringes on others rights is a dangerous path.

24-Mar-21
Glunt,

I agree mostly, but that is the logic that is costing lives IMHO. How many of these evil and or sick humans had a published history of threats of violence? Many of them we hear after the fact.

One cannot yell “fire” in a theater, one ought not be able to threaten repeatedly before surrendering some of their rights temporarily, again, IMHO.

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
You actually can yell "fire" in a crowded theatre. Not condoning it. The case that anology was used in was overturned decades ago.

Obviously mental health issues are a driving force in crime and violence regardless of whether a firearm is involved. It is a risk to allow people their rights until they misuse them. It's also a risk removing rights from people before they misuse them.

24-Mar-21
Glunt,

You understand it is also a risk not suspending rights of people with a strong desire and propensity to do harm? It seems we conservatives never want to look at that side of the coin.

The position of doing nothing until after the fact for me is indefensible morally, ethically and from a common sense perspective as well.

If we focused on behaviors, it takes the focus off guns. Literally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by our unwillingness that one can lose rights by acting irresponsibly.

From: TD
24-Mar-21
Glunt nailed it. You want to trust some gov. official with a skirt over their head or a stick insertion making it hard for them to walk, give them authority over your rights.... I'm sure they have a line for you right over there. I'm not getting in anybodies line.

All it takes is one person on a roll and you're rights are toast. Or a vindictive nutjob girlfriend (nawww, never happen....) azzhat neighbor, angry coworker, the list is endless. Just look what some do when on mask patrol. You want those nuts in charge of your rights? Knock yourself out. I'd rather tell em to go pound sand. I've done NOTHING wrong. Leave me alone.

If anything this covid mess has shown..... there are an abundance of people that want "authority" over everyone and plenty of others overflowing with "compliance".

Decisions made from fear alone are often very poor ones. Only slightly better than those made for authority and power. They often have a symbiotic relationship.

24-Mar-21
People have dealt with crazy actions and mindsets, of other people, since the forbidden fruit was eaten. The difference is now, government has assumed that responsibility. For a while now.

It’s impossible to micro manage society when your too big to even realize that entity even exists. So, the only recourse is too keep common folk from dealing with it themselves. You know, in the name of culture and the evolution of the complex human psychology.

Give ME a break. It’s always happened and it always will. We can choose to try and legislate it from doing so. Or, we can understand that having freedoms comes with responsibilities.

I’m willing to sacrifice someone else’s fear instead of the freedoms that come with being an American. In all instances. From masks to gun ownership. Fear is a great motivator though. So, I can see why naive people go to the extreme lengths they do.

From: Keith
24-Mar-21
How many "mass murders" have been committed in the 4 years of the previous administration vs. the 2 months in the current?

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
"If we focused on behaviors, it takes the focus off guns. Literally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by our unwillingness that one can lose rights by acting irresponsibly."

Oddly, I agree but we obviously aren't on the same page.

"Behaviour" is everything and I absolutely agree that when you misuse your rights by behaving badly, that is when infringing on rights can be considered.

I simply don't trust the government to be the arbitor of what crosses that line prior to something criminal or a serious and specific threat of violence.

24-Mar-21
Glunt, unlike others you are reasonable. At least a discussion can begin, and that occurs where there is a point of agreement.

If not the government as arbiter, who then? If the government, what are the acceptable checks and balances required?

Something in society has changed and probably there is no easy, quick solution. If we accept that, then a moral society is morally obligated to take reasonable steps to protect human lives and prevent carnage. I would argue we are as much morally obligated to take action here as we are to protect the unborn.

There is an inconsistency IMHO, conservatives argue that unborn lives are sacred enough to strip women of the ability (I didn’t say right) to control their own bodies but not sacred enough to strip the evil and insane from the right to guns. I am not buying it and neither do the majority I bet in the foreseeable future. For me, we have been brainwashed for so long to not give an inch, we now lack moral clarity and are incapable of doing what is right.

24-Mar-21
And Glunt, maybe an attorney like Bake will weigh in but yelling fire is not always protected free speech, i.e. causing a panic. Trump’s words are actually being looked at as the possible cause of “activities” on January 6th. Notice, I did not say insurrection...trying to have an adult discussion here;-)

24-Mar-21
Keith - "How many "mass murders" have been committed in the 4 years of the previous administration vs. the 2 months in the current? "

During the Trump Administration - In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida. In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas. In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California. In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.

So far under the Biden administration - 8 people were killed in Atlanta, GA 10 people were killed in Boulder, CO.

From: JL
24-Mar-21
IMO....the media plays a very large role in the cultural climate via what they report (or won't report) as news. A small example.....this morning I was watching the local NBC news outlet in Orlando reporting on the Boulder shooting. They showed pics of the perp, where he was from, yet would not report his name.

Now.....why did they not report his name when they reported most everything else about him? Call me suspicious of this Orlando NBC media outlet. If the perp was a white guy named Joe Smith...would they have reported it? IMO...that outlet should be challenged and asked why they would not report the perps name when they reported everything else about him...including his pics? They can't use the excuse they did not want to give him or his misdeeds media exposure.

From: Surfbow
24-Mar-21
Keith, under Trump there were 7 mass shootings, so less than 2 per year. Under Biden we've had 2 in two months...

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
Trumps Jan 6th speech and trying to tie it to causing people to enter the Capitol and break stuff is an example. I have read the whole thing. It's no stronger political rhetoric than what both sides throw around all the time. Should Trump be banned from owning firearms? Should Trump supporters be banned from owning firearms?

No doubt we have powerful people currently making policy and law who would answer "yes".

The long-term threat that poses is larger than the immediate threat posed by the next wack job who is flying under the radar in my opinion.

From: elkmtngear
24-Mar-21
"Keith - "How many "mass murders" have been committed in the 4 years of the previous administration vs. the 2 months in the current? " During the Trump Administration - In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida. In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas. In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California. In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas"

You forgot about the 774 reported homicides in Chicago (just in 2020).

Oh, my bad...that would be discussing the REAL problem! Let's just discuss what swirls around in the MSM. Fearmongering media is the driving force behind this entire "debate". In medicine...we "triage", in an effort to isolate the most severe problem first.

From: BC
24-Mar-21
If the shooter is white the media narrative is racism and gun control, no matter what the facts are. If the shooter is not white the narrative is mental health and gun control. Perhaps we should have a "national conversation" concerning muslim violence against white people......crickets.

24-Mar-21
Elkmtngear, I didn’t forget or overlook anything. I answered the question directly as it was asked without steering the discussion to some other area.

From: Jackaroo
24-Mar-21
NRA @NRA · 4hr BREAKING: The US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit just ruled that THERE IS NO RIGHT TO CARRY – either openly or concealed in public. This ruling impacts RTC laws in AK, HI, CA, AZ, OR, WA, & MT. This was not an NRA case but we are exploring all options to rectify this.

From: DanaC
24-Mar-21
'Mass' murders are aberrations. A more meaningful discussion would be, how many lives do guns 'take' illegally vs 'save' legally?

And then we might discuss things like, what is the best choice for personal and home defense? But as long as the aberrant behavior of a few crazies dominates the 'discussion', it's hard to have one.

From: TrapperKayak
24-Mar-21
Phil, your comparison is not legit yet. You covered 3.5 yrs of,Trump Admin. vs 2 mos,of Biden Admin. On Nov,17, 2024, we can compare apples to apples...

From: Tank
24-Mar-21
Lets see where Roberts falls out in this 9th ruling. May get speedy SCOTUS date. Impacts way more states than this if was a Federal ruling. Could be just an injunction in their scope ruling power?

I don't see rehashing tragedies here has any logical outcome. Should we start equating Machete deaths in Africa now which total in tens of thousands. We could review the 1st Crusade which killed several million none with a gun.

Scotus has ruled. The 2A right is secure in the the right own, carry and is not even reviewable by a court. Only whereby that right has been infringed upon with standing is it considered for review. So, for all who come at it as it is not a right given to Americans by the creator it can't even get SCOTUS review.

Really throwing mass tragedy on the wall is nothing more than making a dirty splash on your argument. Tank

24-Mar-21
Trapperkayak, I answered the question as asked.

From: Jaquomo
24-Mar-21
A shooting like this happens and it is a national tragedy, sensationalized by the MSM and prompting calls for more laws that won't be enforced, but will make more law abiding citizens into criminals. Meanwhile, more than 116 people have been murdered in Chicago so far this year, we havent hit peak "hunting season" yet, and it barely warrants a footnote in the news.

Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?

From: elkmtngear
24-Mar-21
"Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males"?

No way, Lou...because "Black Lives Matter", right?

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
I don't blame Biden, or Trump, or video games, or Covid, or guns, or racism for people randomly killing others. I blame the person who does it or makes someone do it.

24-Mar-21
Yes, Jaq,

This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”

From: TD
24-Mar-21
And Chicago has likely the most strict and onerous firearms laws in the entire country. That is YUGE.

Let those who would welcome MORE laws ponder that for a second. Murder is already illegal. Pre-charging honest law abiding citizens, the good guys, with murder will do nothing to stop a murderer. Which is what removing 2A rights, Constitutional Rights.... essentially does. Assumes law abiding honest people will commit crimes with their legal weapons.

If they can remove 2A rights there are NO rights your government CANNOT take away. Then Americans literally have NO rights. The government has overthrown it's people.

From: Jackaroo
24-Mar-21
Gun control isn’t about controlling guns, as proven by democrat big cities, it’s about controlling people

From: bowhunt
24-Mar-21
330,000,000 people in the United States

According to the above statistics 9 mass shootings in the last 4 years and 2 months.

Mass shootings are bad

By all accounts in all most of these shootings, everyone around the shooter knew they were nuts. Usually the FBI and local Police already know they are nuts.

Trying to take away everyone else’s rights to stop 9 nut jobs doesn’t make sense. Take every gun in the country away. Those 9 shooters are still nuts, and will just do their crazy deeds a different weapon.

I see a member above basically supporting thought police.

Give any government the power to be the thought police, and and take away your constitutional rights based off what some government official “thinks” you might do will not be a better outcome. More lives will be negatively effected if that was in effect, then how our laws are currently structured

From: goelk
24-Mar-21
it doesn't matter who in office and I don't have an answer how to stop mass killings. I understand how both sides feel about weapons of certain kinds. How can we know if someone is mentally sick at the time of purchasing a weapon and later use it on his own fellow community. its just sad

From: TD
24-Mar-21
Also, the Clinton ban was proven to have had ZERO effect on crimes and ZERO effect on "assault weapons" being used in crimes. It is why it was allowed to lapse.... even the crazies couldn't defend it, it was their own study that proved it. Also YUGE.

Those are proven facts and logic. Things one can have a "reasonable" discussion with. Cannot have a reasonable discussion with predetermined agendas that ignore base premise such as Constitutional Rights, mind readers or wadded panties.

From: Jackaroo
24-Mar-21

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24-Mar-21
All rights have limits, I cannot have an armed F-18 or nuke. Once we are mature enough to admit that we can have a reasonable discussion of rights and responsibilities.

Behavior that threatens such that a reasonable person would fear violence causing a temporary suspension of gun rights is not a government power grab but a relinquishment of rights caused by the behavior of the individual. Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently.

From: TrapperKayak
24-Mar-21
Control tobacco, it kills way more people than guns. But you don't see the govt jumping at that opportunity do we? Hypocrites.

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
Most states have a 72 hour mental health hold process in place and a requirement for a hearing after that. As long as its not abused, thats reasonable to me.

As Rick stated freedom is costly. To me, the cost of losing freedom is higher. The more we make guns the issue the more we detract from the real causes of people doing bad things to others.

From: Rocky D
24-Mar-21
“ Behavior that threatens such that a reasonable person would fear violence causing a temporary suspension of gun rights is not a government power grab but a relinquishment of rights caused by the behavior of the individual. Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently.”

In reality ARs actually kill less people nationally than other guns but catch all the attention when the government has failed in most cases multiple times. Most of the high profile mass murders is because the government quit addressing mental health years ago! So we are promoting treating the symptom instead of the problem!

Habitat why don’t you free yourself from groupthink and start doing some original thought because you are wasting intelligence that could be put to better use.

From: Jackaroo
24-Mar-21
“Most states have a 72 hour mental health hold process in place and a requirement for a hearing after that. As long as its not abused, thats reasonable to me.”

If it worked Democrats couldn’t own a gun

From: Grey Ghost
24-Mar-21
Does anyone miss the community forum when the true lunatics could post?

Matt

From: Jaquomo
24-Mar-21
Why were there so few "mentally sick" gun-owning individuals prior to 1990? We all had easy access to guns when I was growing up in the '60s-80's.

From: Orion
24-Mar-21
Because Looney bins still existed. Dems got rid of them in the late 90s and here we are.

From: Woods Walker
24-Mar-21

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Now the looneys are in DC!!!

From: Glunt@work
24-Mar-21
I rode my bike to school with my cased Winchester 1400 20g across the handle bars a couple times. The teacher would put it in the classroom closet and I would retrieve after school and hunt with my buddy who lived close the school. After work my dad would swing by and pick me up. Barely raised an eyebrow. That was in Timnath, CO. (45 miles from Boulder).

From: TD
24-Mar-21
"Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently. "

And who provides safety from the government? You would have us rely on the government to protect us from the government? That is precisely why the Constitution was written as it was. It's precisely why they are called Rights and the government is specifically barred from infringing on them.

When we can have rational discussions is when we can talk to rational people.... you know, sane people with a thimble full of sense who don't think a pistol grip on a rifle makes it more dangerous to own. Who don't think you can order a gun online and have it delivered to your door. Or that voting for Trump does not mean you are a domestic terrorist. You know, THOSE rational people.... not whack jobs who's logic entails defunding police to eliminate crime or that pulling a weapon on police is not cause to be shot by police....

Hard leftists only real fear of guns is that those who own guns might tell them to go away when the Karens come demanding you do something. Or when they come to threaten your family and to burn down your home or business they will have no safe recourse but to leave you alone. What they really fear most is having to leave you alone......

They certainly don't seem to have such "safety" concerns when it's a neighborhood they WANT to leave alone...

From: Rocky D
24-Mar-21
“ Behavior that threatens such that a reasonable person would fear violence causing a temporary suspension of gun rights is not a government power grab but a relinquishment of rights caused by the behavior of the individual. Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently.”

In reality ARs actually kill less people nationally than other guns but catch all the attention when the government has failed in most cases multiple times. Most of the high profile mass murders is because the government quit addressing mental health years ago! So we are promoting treating the symptom instead of the problem!

Habitat why don’t you free yourself from groupthink and start doing some original thought because you are wasting intelligence that could be put to better use.

From: Rocky D
25-Mar-21
“ And who provides safety from the government? You would have us rely on the government to protect us from the government? That is precisely why the Constitution was written as it was. It's precisely why they are called Rights and the government is specifically barred from infringing on them.”

And there you have it, folks. Now, see what you can come up with and not undermine the intent. In doing a little research on gun legislation and it seems like the Dems have been coming for your guns since Franky D.

From: DanaC
25-Mar-21
Rick, how many previously convicted felons in Illinois were subsequently arrested for firearms violations and NOT prosecuted?

From: Bou'bound
25-Mar-21
unfortunately the appearance of many modern guns may be their undoing in the country. another place where people in power may not let facts get in the way of a good story. scary times

25-Mar-21
Explain how an individual relieved temporarily of their rights due to threats taken seriously interferes with the rights of others? Their threats may actually impede the rights of all others to pursue life.

Jaq, we always here the stories of the way things were. But they are not that way today for whatever the reasons. We can’t be paralyzed from our past in taking reasonable steps to protect life.

From: Woods Walker
25-Mar-21

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Required Reading For Liberals Of Either Party
Woods Walker's embedded Photo
Required Reading For Liberals Of Either Party

25-Mar-21
Does anyone know if knowingly voting for or promoting an unconstitutional law is an impeachable offence? If so there should be a lot of impeachments coming up.

From: Woods Walker
25-Mar-21
It would be if we still had a rule of law and honest people running our government. We don't anymore. We even have 2 Democrat Senator's who are admitted racists who have stated that they will use skin color to NOT appoint people. Tammy Duckworth and Mazie Hirono. Welcome to Democrat Hell..........

"Democrat Senators Tammy Duckworth (IL) and Mazie Hirono (HI) said they will vote against all Biden nominees who are not “racial minorities, and that they will only vote for a white nominee if the nominee is LGBTQ."

From: Tank
25-Mar-21
Heard Sen Kennedy say this other nite "Yeah, lets take all the cars from millions sober drivers because there a few drunk ones".

"Jaq, we always here the stories of the way things were. But they are not that way today for whatever the reasons. We can’t be paralyzed from our past in taking reasonable steps to protect life."

Funny that talk of rational Super Socialism sounds familiar. You can hear it in places like Sweeden, UK, Nice, Belguim, Lux, France. However, in places where they know the name of the beast CCCP like Hungry, CZech, Bul, Poland they know what a Paralyzing Past is. One where Comrade has no rights or a weapon and government is Supreme and ones life is only to serve that Gov.

Why we are the Light on the Shining Hill, not candle in a Hong Kong prison. Tank

From: Bowfreak
25-Mar-21
The left is responsible for gun violence. They have removed God from everything they possibly can. There is no moral compass for the vast majority of people. They have replaced the father in homes with Uncle Sam as the provider and they do not allow us to institutionalize mentally ill people predisposed to violence. It is not a gun issue with people it is a brain or heart issue.

From: Tank
25-Mar-21

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Give this man a shotgun? Tank

25-Mar-21
Because of a recent SC decision, my state has been releasing violent/non-violent criminals with pending court dates/trials. Thus, any trial must be in a federal court. Day before yesterday a county sheriff released two very violent ones; failing to release them to the US marshals. They have vanished but are considered armed and dangerous. Law here is becoming useless. Call 911 and any expected help is 30-40 min. away if at all. Petty thief is rampant. Government has been and is failing because of the Left. As a teacher in a liberal state; when I told a disruptive student to "git", they went. Today you would be videoed and arrested. Left that job 20 years ago but over that time have watched a nasty decline of the moral fiber of all aspects of society. Our police/courts either take back the rule of law or the country will decline past the point of any recovery. May be beyond that point already. Our police officers must be supported far more than they are!! Liberal judges?!?! Catch and release in New York; and all over the country? Failure of the FBI...CO shooting...Maybe that horrific event could have stopped if an armed private citizen were present and knew how to use their weapon. I, for one, want to return to a country where law would be fair and equal; the core family present for their children, and schools just teach; not preach.

25-Mar-21
Cancel culture runs rampant thru our country causing countless numbers to lose their livelihood while conservatives here want to defend one’s right to preach violence. Yes, I guess that makes sense if you are a member of some right wing militia radical group. For me, if you want to have people behave like they did in the yesteryear you dream about, start holding them accountable for words and actions a civil society deems potentially violent. You have the right to preach whatever you want, but if you threaten to do harm to others you lack the responsibility that is attached to certain rights and we will suspend you the ability to exercise those rights temporarily. And while you are all worried about the possibility of what the government might abuse, the reality is some sick and ill people are indiscriminately killing loved ones.

25-Mar-21
Either directly or indirectly, many mention what they see as a degradation in our values. And I am inclined to agree, but maybe for a different reason. I have long believed that we conservatives held the higher moral ground, but am not so sure any more.

As an example, if we can justify breaking rules in our dealings with a private entity, it does not take a giant leap to do so on civil matters. We have an individual here prone to dramatic attacks on others (super socialism) who has repeatedly flaunted the rules of this site with a multitude of false registrations. No doubt the justification of this behavior, and other behavior we have witnessed from so called conservatives as of late, is that the other side does worse. And they do, but let's be honest, when we finally support that two wrongs make a right, we are just as responsible for the divide in this country and the failure to hold ourselves to the standards our FF inspired us to.

25-Mar-21
Here's something to ponder...

Pro-life folks contend that a woman's right to engage in her vision of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is temporarily suspended upon the creation of life by her participation in the activity that led to her pregnancy. Society must protect the rights of the unborn against her rights.

I don't see any difference in temporarily suspending someone's rights to be in possession of dangerous instruments when they have also participated in an activity (threats) that run counter to the health of other members of society, by the same logic as above we must protect their lives as well.

In the last few years I have started to see the extreme right as an equal threat to this Great Experiment as the loony left. Too many times what I hear is some people wanting to dictate how we must live our lives, and sometimes I do not see that as in sync with the equity and fairness I believe our FF believed in.

From: bowhunt
25-Mar-21
I think you are missing something. There are already laws in place for people that make credible threats of harm against others.

There are laws in place for people that shoot and kill others

There are laws in place for people that stab others.

From: bowhunt
25-Mar-21
If the statistics posted above (9 mass shootings in the last 4 years and 2 months) are correct the odds of someone being a mass killer were

9 in 328,000,000

If you could pass your new law to convict people of something you think they might do, what would the odds of someone being a mass killer go down to?

I notice you also only want to take away their gun rights. That won’t stop the nut from killing people any other way.

They would need to be locked up for life.

From: Jaquomo
25-Mar-21
Red Flag laws only work if someone is reported. In this case (Boulder) everyone who knew this guy knew he had a bad temper, assaulted people, had threatened to kill people, and everyone in his family knew he had the gun and was "playing with it" in the house where the whole family lived. Sounds like a classic case of "Oh, we knew he was a dangerous nutjob but hoped he wouldn't do anything bad. He really is a nice kid some of the time".

On a side note, it's very curious how he obtained this 556 a week earlier in a state where there are reportedly none for sale (legally) , then obtained .556 NATO ammo when virtually all ammo shelves are empty, especially .556 and .223.

From: JL
25-Mar-21
Jaq.....IMO....the ammo supply maybe getting better based on some casual observations as I visit stores in my area for reloading stuff. Academy Sports had several cases of .223 for sale....as well as the local BPS. Seen one store in Deland, FL that had a long wall full of ammo and ammo cases. I've been able to get some primers for large pistols and magnum pistol. Speaking of our local BPS.....this is a tad off topic but it pisses me off. There is a group of 4-5 of the same people who show up to the BPS early in the morning, wait for it to open and then buy up all the 9mm, 40 and .380. They take it to a local flea market and scalp it. They do this everyday and take the ammo before other people can buy it. I hope these yaks get busted for commercial ammo selling without a license. The local BPS won't shut them down.

25-Mar-21
bowhunt,

Those laws work after the fact, we need to do this before any shootings take place.

Lou,

The current Red Flag laws I have read are not something I can support. Too easy for an offended party to make a false claim. They have to have safe-guards, and then we need to educate people so they take reporting potential serious threats as serious we now take drunk driving. It will take time, this won't happen over night but we need to be part of the solution, not more resistance to possible effective preventative methods, IMHO.

From: TD
25-Mar-21
" Too many times what I hear is some people wanting to dictate how we must live our lives, and sometimes I do not see that as in sync with the equity and fairness I believe our FF believed in. "

Are you paying any attention at all? Who again is it trying to dictate how someone lives their lives? Who is it saying "you must follow my rules!" along with "I'm going to change the rules you must follow!" and who is it saying "leave me the hell alone.... " Who currently HAS Constitutional Rights and who is it trying to take those away?

Good grief.... maybe some introspection is due as facts and reality seem to have left the building and replaced by cowering fear.....

And BTW..... the word is EQUALITY..... not EQUITY.... as the weaselwords are oozed into the vernacular. Equality as in created equal, equal rights under the law. Not equity, guaranteeing someone else gets to own what I have worked for and created without my permission.... Equity is an entirely different word than equality, And the wordsmith twisters know that. Gonna guess the choice to use it was no mistake.....

WRT the FF.... they took up arms against a tyrannical government, publicly pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to do so and did so in writing. You want to ponder what they would be telling people right now about a group trying to remove the rights they bled and died for?

25-Mar-21
Yes Tom, I have been paying attention, including on January 6th. As I said, both extreme sides ought to scare the hell out of us. You obviously belong to one of them.

25-Mar-21
Best preventive way to ensure mass shootings stop, is make armed individuals a part of everyday life. Visually.

Most of these shootings are happening in places where concealed or open carry is not allowed. Or, assumed to be prevalent.

The best way to beat evil is meet it head on with intent and purpose. It keeps the chicken Little’s at bay. Promised resistance that will result in dire consequences tends to make offenders pick easier targets too.

That won’t stop it all. But, it’d sure go a long way to prevent manifestations of psyco to ever get that far in.

Of course you’d have people killing others. Sometimes Unwarranted. Then we’d get to discuss the flaws in that approach too.

We are dealing with evil. It’s a matter of the heart for most of these shouters. Because every person alive is capable of evil deeds. And, when fed, it grows.

From: bowhunt
25-Mar-21
Habitat For Wildlfe

I stated there are already laws concerning if somebody makes a credible threat against another person.

You stated that is for after the fact. So are you saying you would like a law to convict somebody of a crime before they even say something?

Who would be in charge of the thought police that convict people for the crime of thinking something that might be threatening before they have even said it?

From: bowhunt
25-Mar-21
You also keep bringing up January 6.

Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had firearms. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything

Have you seen or heard people supporting those people that broke into the capital? I have not seen or heard one single person on TV,radio,or in person that agreed with those idiots.

From: KSflatlander
25-Mar-21
By his own admission, Tank/HedgeHunter/HH/Shawn Magyar was one of the idiots on January 6th. The guy that started this thread.

25-Mar-21
Yes, Jaq,

This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”

From: itshot
25-Mar-21
ksflat, ur sleuthiness is admirable, ol tank probably really nervous now that ur tailin him & stuff....

anyhow, the short sightedness of some here is astonishing, amazing even

common sense? hahahaha

at some point the continued erosion of rights must stop! sooooooo you 'cant' own a B2 or a loaded nuke silo, at what point are you 'comfortable ' with your allowance?

serious question

at what point will you disagree with common sense disarming and defenselessness?

and will mass murder (you know, the only crimes that are gun related that count in politics) also slow proportionately?

ks, you're a gun guy, what are you willing to be criminalized for?

so many smart people out there going for the "low hanging fruit", just baffling to watch

25-Mar-21
Bow hunt,

A credible threat against another person is not the same as someone posting intent to do non-specific or general violence. That is what I am referring to and as Jaq pointed out all too often the warnings go unheeded.

I read more than once that folks on Jan 6th had multiple weapons?

Justin,

We read about the heroes who are armed and respond, but there are more who are armed and will vacate first. Talking on a keyboard and performing when it actually occurs are two different things. Most of us will never know for sure what we would do. I pray I would do what is right and that Robin is no where near me if something ever occurred. My first inclination would be to get her to safety, which may be a poor decision for others that I would have to live with forever.

I appreciate the civil discussion, thanks.

25-Mar-21
Greg,

I’ll answer. I am comfortable with what I have, enough to protect my family and with coordination of others very likely to have a tyrannical authority think twice.

At what point will you be satisfied?

And not once did I suggest mentally healthy and law abiding citizens give up their guns. I have no intentions of doing so, but nor do I need a nuke or bomber.

From: itshot
25-Mar-21
"short sightedness", i say

From: KSflatlander
25-Mar-21
Greg- the guy bragged about participating in January 6th and has been kicked off Bowsite at least 10 times. No sleuthing necessary. This thread is ironical as maybe the OP needs to be red flagged? I mean he seems unstable? What do you think?

The guy the posts the stupidest memes on here and I’m childish...ok Greg.

I am liberal and I support the constitution and 2A. I don’t think taking my AR is the answer. I don’t have an answers to reduce mass shootings. Maybe we can start with changing our culture of shaming and marginalizing those with mental health issues. Maybe we (federal government with taxes) should invest in mental health resources in America? Would that help?

IDK but I’m not going to go over the top when some legislator comes out with a bill that limits the kind of guns we can buy and own because legislation like that is introduced in every congress. Since I’ve been on this earth.

There are some good points being made here by some and it expands my perspective. But others just regurgitate what right wing pundits say. Some are not even willing to discuss solutions. They only rehash the same ole talking points.

You tell me how we can reduce mass shootings? I feel very sorry for the victims and families who suffer from gun violence but I also understand why we need the 2A to remain free people. Just don’t say something seriously stupid like more guns is the answer. There was a reason why Wyatt Earp banned carrying guns in town. People due irrational s#%^ in the heat of the moment. My guess is there would be even more killing if everyone carried a firearm everywhere but that’s just my opinion that can’t be backed up.

From: Bake
25-Mar-21
Speak for yourselves, I’d love to have my own personal F-35 lightning. ;). Every good hillbilly needs a fighter plane

From: bowhunt
25-Mar-21
Habitat, I clearly stated

“Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had FIREARMS. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything”

Not sure if you accidentally said weapons instead of firearms.

Also who is in charge of the new Thought Police?

Remember after the election all of the millions of people that voted for Donald Trump were called white supremist. It was stated many times by news people and politicians they needed to be reprogrammed!

Not some,ALL!

From: itshot
25-Mar-21
ks, thanks pal, your 1st paragraph proved my point

in some jurisdictions, your mere suggestion about tank would be enough to get him jammed up, add an accusation with a few accurate descriptions ? worse yet

cool huh??

yup until you are someone's tank, with all those unneccessary weapons of war you possess

pretty short sighted, imo

From: KSflatlander
25-Mar-21
My point was to Jaq’s post as to why red flag laws don’t work most times. I’m guessing that families that deal with red flag issues have the same “shortsighted” discussions. However, he put himself out there not me. If you are going to brag about storming the Capitol you should be “jammed up.” Unless you weren’t there but bragged publicly that you were. Almost as bad. Personal responsibility, right?

I noticed you offered no solutions. Do you have anything to offer? Or you just going to criticize everyone else that offer ideas...talk about shortsighted.

25-Mar-21
Bow hunt,

I said weapons intentionally as according to multiple accounts there were more than firearms discovered.

Ryan, I agree both with your view that more focus needs to be on mental health, and that Greg offers little other than criticism with you being his favorite target.

From: Rocky D
25-Mar-21
“ You tell me how we can reduce mass shootings? I”

Educate, focus on mental health and many of thee people law enforcement, family, and people in the communities no of these peoples issues and should be informing the appropriate agencies. None of this works if you have a miss all the red flags of the last shooter and you fail miserably in all areas!

Then you have to address the transcending messages of everyone is a victim, fairness, and politicians every negative narrative to divide the country!

This could be a start but it doesn’t support many agendas of those in power. We must stop supporting stupid statements like defunding the police! Also you must message personal responsibilities. If you want something from society it should start with you!

25-Mar-21
Frank, the point you make is argued by many. I don’t agree with that. I think most people, if understanding what was happening, would indeed answer the call to stop it.

And, the bigger point, most would never have too.

25-Mar-21
Justin,

Google it. You might be surprised by the number of folks who never even reach for their firearm. I was first tipped off to this by an LEO friend.

I could share google results, but we know any site presented would be written off as left wing propaganda, LOL. It even happens to some in combat who are trained for it.

25-Mar-21
There is far too much left wing propaganda being spewed as truth. Even by those leading our military calling Christians and Catholics violent extremists in this new twisted indoctrination being attempted aimed at the hero’s defending our constitution and freedom.......unbelievable. Biden, his chronies, and those who installed them are traitors to this country and to those who bore the burden of creating this country, to the citizens of this country, and to those who have fought and died defending this country and the principles and constitution guarding this country.

From: TD
26-Mar-21
Ya know Ks might have a point about some of this. When President House Plant was asked today about gun control and such, his eyes rolled back into his head and wandered around the stage while a few sparks came out his ears..... then went on about..... infrastructure? (You mean shovel ready jobs? Like your last BS lies?) Like the question was never asked. Even all the so called journalists kind of looked around the room wondering WTH? Don't know if his brain shorted out or if he just grabbed the wrong cue card thinking it was a different pre-chosen reporter he was talking to.... maybe they got the order of the pre-selected questions wrong.... who knows.

You could hear the groaning backstage from the guy with his hand all up inside his puppet..... that was about the most embarrassing hot mess I've ever seen.... even with questions like "is all the (illegal) immigration coming through our southern (open) border (such a disaster) because you're such an awesome guy?"

From: Woods Walker
26-Mar-21

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That was a "press conference" about as much as this past summer's BLM/Antifa riots were "mostly peaceful".....as the burning building was shown in the background.

From: itshot
26-Mar-21

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here's my starting point when it comes to ideas, and criticism

From: 12yards
26-Mar-21
I'm honestly not sure there is a solution that would minimize mass shootings. What can possibly be done to stop the law-abiding citizen who "snaps" from doing something heinous? The guy with no previous history of violence, mental illness, etc. Or even the guy who has no history of violence but owns hatred and anger in his heart, that finally does the unthinkable. If there was a solution, it would have been done already. Our country isn't made up of dummies. If we want to maintain the 2nd amendment as is, we are accepting that these things are going to happen.

This loser chose to use an AR. IMO, he could have accomplished the same with a Rem 870 or a Benelli SBE. Do we take those away as well? Where do we draw the line on legal weapons and where do we draw the line on when a person shouldn't be allowed to own firearms?

From: Catscratch
26-Mar-21
The problem with having a rational discussion is that the proposed solutions have to be rational to start with. So far I only see politicians offering to strip rights, that should be a non-starter for any rational thinker. Taking away constitutional rights and presumption of guilt before a criminal action aren't the answers in a free society. Any proposal should immediately be judged against the Constitution and presumption of innocence before it's even put on the table for discussion.

From: Jaquomo
26-Mar-21
It was good that the vacant old man knew which questions would be asked by the selected reporters, so the staff could have the answers pre-printed for him to attempt to read. Even then, he struggled. People cried about Trump's "lies". Biden told lie after lie and those so called "reporters" let him off the hook. What an embarrassment to our nation. Those who voted for him should be proud.

From: TrapperKayak
26-Mar-21
td, your post made me laugh right out loud. I wish I'd watched that 'pressure conference'. haha

From: Riverwolf
26-Mar-21
Glunt@work *I don't blame Biden, or Trump, or video games, or Covid, or guns, or racism for people randomly killing others. I blame the person who does it or makes someone do it.

Point on in a nutshell Don ! When these murders are reported , they should also keep the murders skin color out of the report ""for all cases"" as it is a sick SOB doing the killing . Not his skin color ! Trial the murderer , not his family or people of the same skin tone .......... That goes for all people .

From: Tank
26-Mar-21
Sure we could minimize mass shootings. Make State Guardian Angels and arm them. Train all citizens in defensive firearms training. Put armed citizen forces in the cities like in Israel. Reserve Civilian Army so to speak. Don't remove weapons from good decent honest folks willing to serve, issue more of them. Plenty of answers to Video game mental's raised by their Moms who'll swear they are good boys and girls. Until they go nuts because Mom wants them to pay rent and the Xbox electric bill and go take it out on all the people shopping at Fred Meyer.

Almost no Blue State runs state Mental Wards since the late 1970's. Cost to much but they have no problem locking up seniors against their will. But lock up and state make a court decision against mentally defective people. Almost never. Don't want the legacy costs of more Clockwork Orange inmates. Tank

From: BigEight
26-Mar-21
Tank, "train all citizens in defensive firearms training. Put armed citizen forces in the cities like an Israel." Ahhhhh, no thanks? I like my US not looking like some middle eastern militarized zone.

From: BigEight
26-Mar-21
FEAR of DAD? Plenty of good kids in the world these days that were never spanked or FEARED either parent. There is only a fine line between punishment and abuse these days. I think spanking is actually lazy parenting just like coddling but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Plenty of murderers who were probably spanked a little too much as kids and might even be part of the reason they develop hate and rage.

From: 12yards
26-Mar-21
Also keep in mind the gun homicide rate is half what it was in the 1970s. It is just over 3 per 100,000 where it was over 7 in the 1970s. You can't necessarily believe the narrative that it is an epidemic.

From: BigEight
26-Mar-21
12yards. Good point.

From: TD
26-Mar-21
Trapper, literally one of the "questions" was "are the immigrants coming because of your reputation as a moral and decent man?"

I think it was Gowdy who said "I have heard tougher questions asked of beauty pageant contestants....." It was a joke. A joke on all Americans. And a bad one at that. An embarrassment and an insult to everyone's intelligence. In other words, SOP for Democrat Leftists.....

From: Woods Walker
26-Mar-21
Just more proof of how much they despise us. All I can say is that the feeling is mutual, and it's growing in intensity every day.

27-Mar-21
More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined each year. Nevermind “assault rifles” only. That’s all rifles including sporting rifles. Are they going to go into grammas kitchen and confiscate her cutlery? I doubt it.......

From: Woods Walker
27-Mar-21
END KNIFE VIOLENCE NOW!!! What do you need a knife with a blade longer than 3" for anyway? That's why you have fingers! And no one should have more than 2 knives. I mean, you only have 2 hands, right? All knife drawers should have locks on them.

I wear a Leatherman Wave on my belt everyday. I guess I'll be needing a concealed carry permit for that!

27-Mar-21
I have been thinking ,as we all should, We try o think of those who enter schools and other places as rational . That is our first mistake. Passing laws for rational people will not work. My second point is we are training our kids to be victims. When there is an incident the first move is to lock down. Why don't we let our kids escape? As a rational person I don't want to harm anyone. When faced by a shooter we need to turn things around. We need to treat the threat as a non human invader. Many have been stopped by those who refused to be victims. What if we taught our kids to run away if at all possible. If that fails we need to teach them to fight back. A six year old spraying an attacker in the face with a fire extinguisher then using it as a club might save lives. I know one woman who refused to be a victim who disarmed her attacker and threw his rifle out the window. She then ran away and threw the gun again. The sad part is she felt guilty for hurting the attacker. It is time for us all to adjust our thinking.

From: DanaC
27-Mar-21
Robert, the NRA has a 'Refuse to be a victim' program -

https://rtbav.nra.org/

From: Tank
27-Mar-21
Yes I took a couple days to get use to seeing female reserves at corners stores and uzi's at post office. After going to beach and seeing guys with LR rifles on patrol it was kind of soothing to know if whack job from Palestine was to get in with a MG he wont kill but himself most likely. I see some here would love to carry on with the Cancel Culture. Get rid of the Right to assemble, Right to make a statement and while we're on that, Right to bear (carry) Arms the point of the thread. Let us not be fooled.

It's been said since Joe's canned Presser that the Dems will nuke Filibuster rule to legislate weapons away or tax and regulate them away. Whereby, making literally millions of felons over nite. Not sure that's going change much. I don't see the GVT cutting off male appendages to stop rape everyday but the Woke Mob would surely entertain that idea. Tank

I do love the post a few up: Wyatt Earp part

Town forced turning in guns in Tombstone.... What'd it do.... ? Only led to the largest shootout in history of the place. "Very Cosmopolitan"

From: 70lbdraw
27-Mar-21
"Tank, "train all citizens in defensive firearms training. Put armed citizen forces in the cities like an Israel." Ahhhhh, no thanks? I like my US not looking like some middle eastern militarized zone."

Gee BigEight, you obviously have no problem with our US Capitol building looking that way? Please enlighten us as to what the difference is.

From: itshot
27-Mar-21

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hope this dude isnt a serial BS false registerer...flahhduhh has some serious red flag consequences for such traitors

From: itshot
27-Mar-21

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couple of childish memes for some here that may see the point

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27-Mar-21

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27-Mar-21

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27-Mar-21

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27-Mar-21

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one more, just for fun

From: TD
27-Mar-21
=D

All great humor has a sense of truth to it...... maybe that's why leftists suck at it....

I hope they threw in the custom cart with the cannon...... geez I think I'd have to sell my house to have a minute with that thing.... Kamala much much cheaper I'm sure......

From: Jaquomo
27-Mar-21
Al Issa passed the background check. Just as have almost all of the random mass-murderers. And the .556 complied with CO's ban on high-capacity magazines. There is no law that would have stopped this guy, because if semi-autos were banned and 100% confiscated he could/would have likely killed more with a 12 gauge and 00 buck. But Dems are stupid enough to think that more laws will make us safe from monsters.

Correction - Dems rightly believe their ignorant voters are stupid enough to believe more laws will make them safer, because that's what the sheep are told by politicians and the media.

From: TD
27-Mar-21
President House Plant said to use that shotgun and shoot em through the door. In the leg I guess, blowing it off. Do any of these..... people.... even listen to what he says? Or just believe what their "betters" tell them they should believe? What they "feel" they should believe? The "right way" to believe. Again, facts? Reality? Only the news we want you to hear at 11.....

WRT the knife stats above.....

From: Tank
27-Mar-21

Tank's Link
Yes , the Meme guy ITShot.

The 6th was a Rudy Poo other than a Fed killing an unarmed civilian. Big crowd with some Woke Antifa's mixed with about every kind of foreign service Agents mixed it. In historical context a big nada burger.

Compared to the Bonus Marchers of 1932 is was just event and speech. nothing more. Little more education for our fine Bowsiters from other side. See the link. The WWI Vets were really pissed off. You had MacArther, Patton and Eisenhower involved that day in 32 with 4-5 deaths and many many injured. We must be glad Hoover was in Office that day and not Roosevelt or the toll would have much much worse.

No, armed guards at Walmart, PO, Banks, Fed Bldgs, or Lowes stores would not bother me at all. Bothers the Israelis none in the least. Liberal Cancel Culture laws will only make it worse. Respect for law and order backed by strict enforcement policy is the only way to go. Not zero cash bail and soft penalties for repeat offenders.

Now our mentally disturbed need facilties. Rather large wards where they live out there lives at the states costs which would out shadow Prison costs and populations. Dem's will never do it. It's a lose lose for their social justice agenda and would kill those dreams of Autocracy and power.

Lets see where the Gun Ban leads to next. Will it come before a 3 trillion infrastructure bill or will it get dropped on a Friday night before a federal holiday Easter weekend in the form of Executive action. Tank

From: itshot
27-Mar-21
td, tucker's last statement is a laugh...background checks, ha!

can anyone here sweep the floors of an empty school at night or pour concrete on a military installation without a thorough background check? absolutely not

probably for good reason

do our elected officials go through any such scrutiny, even those at top level? those in commitees on intelligence , foreign and/or domestic affairs, spending, green unicorns....any of them? absolutely not, even though they make and pass the laws

some are law abiding citizens, some would still be jobless after applying for a job to hang the razor ribbon around the capitol or even cut the grass at any federal building

I'm all for background checks, let's start with congress and circle back

27-Mar-21
They are stupid enough to believe that! Otherwise why would they vote for these traitors? Or were they installed?

From: Jaquomo
27-Mar-21
Background checks... Hmmm.. let's look at all the things you can do without an ID of any sort.

Vote in local and national elections

Buy a gun illegally

Rob a liquor store to get booze and cigs

Did I mention vote (for Democrats)

Can't think of much else.

From: Glunt@work
27-Mar-21
In Burma citizens are fighting those in power with homemade bows.

28-Mar-21
I’m sorry for my cynicism, but we, as a nation, are going to strip people of rights and incarcerate people for thought crimes?

Really? Which thought crimes or threats are those?

I heard some pretty strong rhetoric during the BLM and Trump protests in Chicago just in the past year or so. Those individuals seemed very “angry” and seemed to be “threatening” people in a credible manner. Will those people be stripped of rights or be jailed?

Seems unlikely.

Mass shootings are terrible and tragic. As a nation, we should look to reduce them, rationally.

The Parkland school shooter had committed multiple crimes that should have removed him from the streets before he killed kids in the school. In my estimation, the sheriff is as culpable for that tragic event as anyone. Had he enforced the law and prosecuted instead of repeatedly giving that kid a pass, there could be a group of kids who’d be alive today.

I live in Chicago. Chicago is frequently referenced for its homocide numbers. In just the city proper, there were 769 murders in 2020... up more than 50% over 2019.

How many of those crimes do you suppose were committed by someone with a clean record? How many do you suppose were committed by someone with a documented, long history of crime and violence?

And yet, these offenders are being released onto the streets to harm others.

I’d guess that repeat offenders in Chicago alone kill more people than mass shooters nationwide.

From: Rocky D
28-Mar-21
Orion, Chicago murders showcase the fact that gun laws do not stop the killing and mass murders promote their agenda especially for the taking of the only true personal defense weapons (ARs) against a group or mob.

Look at the highest murder rates and you will see that they are are and have been under Democratic control for over fifty years!

From: Tank
28-Mar-21
Well, looks like it will in fact be Executive action by Joe Avacado. Also, it looks the Dem's will use the symbolism of Easter to drop this sucka as I was saying.

This thing going take the top off the Border crisis for sure. 100-150 million people going to sound off after this hit the streets. Cant find reloading supplies now? Hicap magazines going to worth big money. See how long it takes to reach SCOTUS. tank

From: jstephens61
28-Mar-21
Rick, pretty some the thugs won’t have to spend any time in jail now that we’re doing away with cash bonds. God forbid that society infringe on their rights. We all know how effective the FOID card has been at reducing gun violence in Chicago.

If I hit you in the head with a stick, doesn’t that become an assault weapon?

From: Archerdan
28-Mar-21
Concerning the background check part of what's being proposed, what I'm seeing is you won't even be able to legally "lend" your firearm to someone without doing a background check.

How is this going to work with your kids being able to hunt on their own since background checks aren't done on youths since they aren't old enough to legally purchase firearms. Haven't heard anyone discuss this and how this part of the law will apply to your kids hunting. Your thoughts?

From: Archerdan
28-Mar-21
Not simple at all where I'm at. Kids can hunt on their own without an adult with them and mine does it all the time with a gun. Will this prevent a fifteen year old from legally sitting/hunting in a deer stand by themselves now if this law passes? What I'm seeing is "yes".

From: jstephens61
28-Mar-21
If the 50 caliber restriction passes, that’ll pretty much end firearm deer season here. A 12 ga, 20 ga and 50 cal muzzleloader will be illegal.

From: shade mt
28-Mar-21
Why not just make murder illegal?...........oh that's right it is huh.?

So what in the world makes you think that a criminal who murders despite a murder charge carrying a life sentence or death penalty if convicted.

What in the WORLD! Makes you think they give a hoot about gun laws?

You know who gun laws effect most?...the people that obey the law.

Well now that's a new revelation huh?

From: Tank
28-Mar-21
Kids? Guns? That's not happening. HR 8 did have a section of wpn transfers to immediate family but no clause for kids at all. My guess is No Guns for kids under 21. Again, that will only apply law Obiden-ing people of course.

Pineapple Joe does not have much time left before the juice him. His Woke-Masters want the pressure of his border mess so Executive action on guns will surely do that. Tank

29-Mar-21
Talking with a friend of mine this morning who heard from a friend who heard from a friend that someone in government is pushing for restrictions on the off-road truck you might currently drive called “The RPM Act” which would ban or restrict lifted trucks. The liberals want total control of ALL aspects of your life!

From: bowhunt
29-Mar-21
EPA is already raiding shops in Oregon and Washington for this. No news coverage I can find very strange. They raid the shops doing tunes, EGR deletes, high flow cats ect. like they are busting a drug cartel leader. Guns pointed at employees, no joke. Huge fines, and sounds like they can go back to 2009 to make the shop put the trucks they worked on back to stock. It sounds like they are also going after dealerships selling modified diesel trucks as well, to make them put the emissions system back to factory.

I was suprised a lot of states hadn't already required in inspection to renew registration for tags on the diesel trucks years ago.

They are taking tampering with emissions equipment very seriously.

From: Tank
29-Mar-21
Duramax just got Def yanked, egr plated and deleted factory exhaust yanked. went 20mpg hiway to 26mpg. No more light flashing, 60mile shutdown warnings and I can go 10,000 miles before oil changes without reburn of blow by and exhaust gases. Whats EPA not to like? One hollywood action movie puts more carbon in a filming than i would in 20 years. Way I see it im saving the Wokesters and they dont even know it.

Both the states you mentioned population came from CA because there was to much regulation down there. They just trying to play Ketchup with those people now.

Still on Joe Avacado watch for a Friday Exec Action drop on guns. Tank

From: bowhunt
29-Mar-21
These are Federal agents busting these shops/dealerships, not state.

I just mentioned those two states because I know for sure people were getting in trouble for emissions tampering in those states.

I only responded to the comment because people are CURRENTLY getting busted for emissions tampering. It’s not something that might start happening.

Don’t want to side track a thread

Back to guns and ammo!

From: Tank
02-Apr-21

Tank's Link
Good Friday Update

From: spike78
02-Apr-21
Tank where are those 22 states for us here in MA? We have that crappy law too.

From: Helgermite
02-Apr-21
I read this morning that Biden is considering an executive order to ban "ghost guns"(Guns without issued s/n aka 80% or 3d printed guns). As far as I know no guns of this type were even used in mass shootings. He's really grabbing at straws to pass anything that can get a foothold. The agenda is clear.

02-Apr-21
Yep. Just like is voting agenda. The idiot is trying to shame Georgia. Saying they are restricting voting by requiring an ID. All the while leaving out they mandated longer hours at polling places, increased drop boxes for early voting ballots to be deposited, and added additional days to early voting. They have done the exact opposite of what he professes. But, the scum keeps on telling lies about it.

Same with the gun issue. He’s blatantly said there is a time for everything. And, when it’s right, he’ll proceed.

The border issue is beyond naive. But, at least he doesn’t hurt people’s feelings with truth. Can’t have that in today’s creme puff society. Because It might make someone contemplate reality. SMH at the percentage of Americans today who can’t take any ounce of responsibility we are given due to being a citizen of the United States. It’s all soccer games and joyful bliss. Shame on due diligence.

From: TD
02-Apr-21
Not about actual guns. Nor about "public safety" which they have found is a great excuse to do anything they want. As with many things now.....

It's about Control.

From: Tank
04-Apr-21
Iowa jumped in and passed Carry one and all. Guess they did not want to get Woke and Broke as Jr says. Have couple more states lined up to sign similar bills here this coming week. Gov Reynolds got out front of Tomoto Joe on weapons for the law abiding. Tank

04-Apr-21
Yes I saw where MLB decided to join the fray. Growing up as an athlete playing 3 major sports through highschool and dabbled in the “other” sports, politics never even entered the thought process. We all just wanted to be the best we could be proving that hard work paid dividends through championships and All Star games. I’ve been done with the NBA for a long time. When the NFL started caving to the disrespect to our flag I was done with the NFL. Baseball was the last hope to stay out of politics. As of now, they can kiss my azz too. I used to drink Coke. They went woke so I am done with them and will put my money where woke, China and anti American liberalism aren’t.

From: Woods Walker
04-Apr-21
X2 trophy. I see in this the opportunity for someone who starts selling a product/service that just offers and excellent product that they stand behind, for a fair price with ZERO politics attached to it. Hell, I'd even pay MORE for it if that's truly what they were.

From: Tank
05-Apr-21
Oh Yes HR 1446 six did pass as well. The NICS Stallout FBI database. So, the tranferee after a a wait for a weapon would have to ask for another NICS recheck and then if it did not come back after ten more days you could get yer weapon. Just a stall tactic to stem sales of weapons. Tank

From: Tank
07-Apr-21

Tank's Link
Here it comes fella's. Kinda thought it would be a Thursday or Friday nite Exec action drop for guns. Guess they got it sorted out and where the first lawsuit will come from and what they can actually get done. Think a federal injunction pleading will be filed Thursday as well.

To add, The Judge Obama wanted to place on SCOTUS. the so called Moderate AG Garland will be by Sloppy Tomoto Joe's side when he signs order. Think Sen Schumer said at the time "moderate Judge Garland should get a up or down vote". Lucky the man from KY stood tall in the face of Barrrrack.

Think you better buy all the high cap mags you'll ever need today. Glad my CC got hit today for all my new 19 rounders for my SA's!! Tank

From: Stix
07-Apr-21
"Sources told the outlet Biden would begin the process of requiring those who buy "ghost guns," firearms that lack serial numbers since they’re sold in pieces and put together at home, to undergo background checks. Biden is expected to be joined at the event by Attorney General Merrick Garland."

"What we’re expecting him to do is anything with foreign commerce – if the firearm is being imported in or magazine or ammo is being imported in – he could by executive order try to do something in that nature,"

Not anything of substance that I am concerned about, although since the imported stuff is less expensive, it could have the potential to drive up cost of the US made stuff.

From: JL
07-Apr-21
For the readers to decide......

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-david-chipman-atf

Biden to nominate gun control backer David Chipman to head ATF: WH official Chipman, a ‘proud gun owner,’ said he has sometimes been mischaracterized as a 'gun grabber'

By Brittany De Lea | Fox News

President Biden is expected to nominate David Chipman, an advocate of greater gun control, to serve as the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a White House official confirmed to Fox News on Wednesday.

Chipman served as an ATF special agent for 25 years and was named Special Agent in Charge of the bureau’s Firearms Program.

Chipman also received an award from the Attorney General’s office for his efforts aimed at preventing gun homicides in targeted U.S. cities, according to his bio as a member of the gun safety group started by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. At Giffords, Chipman served as an expert on "ghost guns" and assault weapons.

BIDEN EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON GUN CONTROL THURSDAY

In an op-ed he penned in The Roanoke Times last year, Chipman described himself as a "proud gun owner" who has sometimes been "mischaracterized as a gun grabber." Chipman noted that he supports gun safety regulations that would "save lives" but wouldn’t take guns away from law-abiding citizens.

"I am a proud and responsible gun owner, as are millions of Virginians," Chipman wrote. "I am also permitted to carry a concealed handgun. I am not afraid of lawmakers in Richmond passing laws to make it harder for criminals to get guns. In fact, I’m part of the majority who demand it."

ATF is a law enforcement agency within the Department of Justice that strives to safeguard the public from criminial organizations and activity, including the illegal use and trafficking of firearms.

As previously reported by Fox News, Biden is expected to announce gun control measures on Thursday following three recent mass shootings.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki declined to go into details on Wednesday, but Politico reported that the president is preparing an executive order.

A White House official told Fox News that not all of the measures will be executive actions.

From: spike78
07-Apr-21
Let me tell you if you never shot a ghost gun you are missing out. I’ve shot Glocks, Sigs, S&Ws, Rugers, Taurus, etc and my favorite gun by far is my 80% framed ghost gun. Buy one before you might not be able to.

From: keepemsharp
07-Apr-21
Back in the 90's when the instant check was started Janet Reno wanted the numbers to be permanent record, as in "gun registration". She went judge shopping hoping to find a court that would approve that. The judge she found was a judge named Garland.

07-Apr-21
I would too Woods Walker. I may have to start watching and playing golf. The PGA is keeping the Masters in Georgia. Incidentally the MLB commish is a member at Augusta. Will he relinquish his membership?

From: Woods Walker
07-Apr-21
You betcha'. About the same time that John Kerry stops flying his private jet around the world telling everyone else how they have to reduce their carbon footprint.

From: Tank
08-Apr-21
Also looks like Joe Scarecrow is going to give Garland a couple months to come up with a federal Red Flag regulation so your friends and family can take your weapons and some money to adjudicate your status in a court.

Imagine your neighboring property owner who never had a hankering for you. Say in mid October calls the ATF Hotline and says "i think my neighbor is nuts and he got guns, he's has signs all over his property he will shoot tresspasser's". There goes your wpns and that trip to WY for elk season. See you in court.

The Justice Dept going to Jump on AR pistols and brace stocks too. We'll see who stands up and where the RINO's will lay down. Lets see where the most powerful Dem in the Senate lines up from WV? Tank

08-Apr-21
He’ll go with the party like he always has when it’s time to vote. He’ll talk big about our 2nd Amendment. He will tell the cameras he isn’t going to vote for it. Then, he will vote for it. EVERY SINGLE TIME. As he always has with one exception. But, it didn’t involve guns. Every time it has, he’s went with the Democrat party’s stance. He’s no friend to the 2nd.

From: stealthycat
08-Apr-21
I think whatever king Joe is going to EO he's going to take little bits of gun ownership, not an all out ban on a certain type of gun. Like gun owners giving bump stocks up - few people really used those, and few people use wrist/arm assisted AR's but he'll target those

maybe ammunition

every time you see a Democrat thank them for anti-gun King Joe, high gas prices King Joe, higher taxes King Joe .... Democrats enabled this fool, don't forget

From: Woods Walker
08-Apr-21
This is NOT going to end well........

From: Helgermite
08-Apr-21
"Let me tell you if you never shot a ghost gun you are missing out. I’ve shot Glocks, Sigs, S&Ws, Rugers, Taurus, etc and my favorite gun by far is my 80% framed ghost gun. Buy one before you might not be able to."

How could shooting one of these possibly be any different than any other firearm. I don't understand your post, other than if you want to build & own a 80%, now is the time before it's too late.

From: Glunt@work
08-Apr-21
Maybe the fun is that he did some of the work himself and that it's not on record with a government that has been showing some terrible judgment.

From: spike78
08-Apr-21
Helgermite, the main reason is the grip. I can’t explain it but it’s perfect size and angle. Glock is a great brand but the main complaint is the grip. The P80 solves that problem. Also, it is uncanny how little recoil is felt. I have a P80 with 9mm, 45 Gap upper, .40, and .357 sig barrels and compared to all the other guns I’ve shot the .40 is tame and the 9mm is rediculous. My friend made one in 9mm I shot it and bought a kit that night I was so impressed. I was shooting last weekend watching a guy shoot a small 9mm and noticed the snap. I handed him my P80 in .40 and first thing he said wow I like the grip and the balance. He shot it and I swear less recoil with the .40 then his 9mm. I guess you just need to give it a go to see.

From: TRnCO
08-Apr-21
can anyone tell me just how many gun crimes these EO's are going to prevent?

Can anyone tell me when the last time that a "ghost gun" was used in a crime?

Colo. already has "red flag" law, but obviously doesn't work well since we just had the Boulder shooting.

And slow Joe can't seem to remember what the ATF is, because as he introduced his new nominee to head it, he kept saying "The AFT".

From: Shiras42
08-Apr-21
Where is ksflatbrimmer to defend Jobobamala now?

From: Jaquomo
08-Apr-21
Yep, TR, Colorado has a Red Flag law, magazine size limits, universal background checks. But if you ask a sick-minded liberal, they'll tell you the new laws are designed to stop the "next" massacre.

Right now, Boulder is under a lockdown and evacuation order for a bomb threat. Maybe they should outlaw pipes, nails, gunpowder, fertilizer, and propane too.

From: Jackaroo
08-Apr-21
Mark my words. Your social media posts will be used against you. A consultant told me that unless you are independently wealthy don’t use any identifying information on the internet. Nothing that can be used to trace back. Set up a dummy email and profiles, don’t list home town or other identifying info. Used to be paranoia but as you saw with Turkey slayer it’s here.

From: spike78
08-Apr-21

spike78's Link
Biden’s gun control speech and yes he did say his nomination for the AFT. No not ATF but AFT twice! Theirs our commander in chief.

From: WYOelker
08-Apr-21
So I heard he was going to ban the attachable stock for a pistol because it made it more "Accurate". Seriously targeted an accessory that makes a gun safer to handle and less likely to have an accident. Because it was used in Boulder...

From: Jackaroo
08-Apr-21
Mark my words. Your social media posts will be used against you. A consultant told me that unless you are independently wealthy don’t use any identifying information on the internet. Nothing that can be used to trace back. Set up a dummy email and profiles, don’t list home town or other identifying info. Used to be paranoia but as you saw with Turkey slayer it’s here.

From: Tank
08-Apr-21
Jackroo

They surely will! If you have Pro Trump Tweets, FB or any other you will be the the test cases there are going to use. Reno just picked bad test cases to tryout. Randy Weaver case ended that stuff. 20 million spent on a false entrapment case. Cut a shotgun short and crown it. ATF entrapment and killed wife and 14yr old son. The Gvt had to pay Weaver and courts costs.

They will test the new Ex Orders of course. So, your blue haired hemp smoking teenager calls the ATF hotline on you because you wont let him identify as a female to use the high school girls locker room. The ATF serves you a knock warrant, takes all your weapons. Take you to Fed holding facility (prison) and issues you a psych test and your now guilty having to prove yourself innocent. Cost $10-15K to get em back, your zero tolerance cancel culture company you work for fires you before you ever get to court and you think it's going to all work out? Don't bet your retirement on it. Tank

From: Tank
09-Apr-21
Chimpman as ATF Director would be Reno on Meth. No way he gets confirmed. Guy was in on Waco ATF Hit and still claims Korresh shot down GVT Aircraft. Simply a lie.

Hunter Biden has lied of his 4473 to buy wpns as he was hooked on dope and never answered that form truthfully. A Fed offense as this has just come to light. tank

From: Woods Walker
09-Apr-21
And the government will IGNORE it. If ANY one of us had lied on a Federal form like that we'd not only be prosecuted for it, but we'd most likely have any other legal firearms we had taken from us. But this drug addict walks scot-free because his father is a Democrat politician.

They really must think we have S U C K E R tattooed on our foreheads!!!

From: Glunt@work
09-Apr-21
Geeze guys, "unity" isn't free. Your silly little inherent rights are a small price to pay. In a few months and few more uniting policy decisions we'll all be united and on the same page.

From: Rupe
09-Apr-21
And the cowardly Leftist, who claimed this would never happen., and said it was just campaign rhetoric, are in hiding.

From: trublucolo
09-Apr-21
When Joe signs his executive order demanding 100% firearm registration to include the shotgun you were given as a twelve year old by your long deceased grandfather and you refuse to play along, democrats will then be able to claim they are confiscating firearms from "criminals".

From: smarba
09-Apr-21
Bingo trubluecolo

From: 70lbdraw
09-Apr-21
"Geeze guys, "unity" isn't free."

I think the word you wanted to use is "equity". You've probably heard it being referred to by the left. Just like a credit score. You'll have a "social equity" score; in which, you will be judged by your social acceptance. Talk of guns, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, etc. will lower your score, thus rendering you an outcast.

From: JohnMC
09-Apr-21
I am going for a negative social equity score...

From: Helgermite
09-Apr-21
Just for everyone's information these were not Executive Orders or they would be law (at least until challenges in courts worked thru them). They were actually Executive actions that are really no more than a memo to direct activities. Just a stepping stone...maybe. Either way we all need to be diligent in challenging this ugly direction the power hungry liberal government is taking. Once any of our rights are taken away, I find in unlikely we will ever get them back.

From: trublucolo
09-Apr-21
"Once any of our rights are taken away, I find in unlikely we will ever get them back."

Considering how Biden has just authorized an "exploratory panel" to consider the feasibility of "expanding the Supreme Court", I'm sure our resident bowlibs will be right along to profess how the liberal court justices requested by 0bama, that Joe is going to pack the court with, are sure to protect the 2nd amendment. Just like the balanced court we currently see has been such stalwarts on the first and second.

From: Tank
09-Apr-21
Wokster's want Bryer off court now in case a Dem Senator dies soon. This would lead me to believe there is one in bad shape and it could be the one form CA.?

If that were to happen Manchin will no longer be the Supreme Leader of the Senate.

One things for sure you can't find a shootable used pistol 300miles from me for sale. Tank

From: Lawdy
09-Apr-21
If the government’s war on drugs, prohibition, and the Great Society initiative is any indication, the war on guns should be a resounding success. Especially when instead of 60 or so people on January 6, several million take the Capital, drag the politicians out, and tar and feather them, or worse. Our government poisoned 30,000 Americans with doctored booze during the prohibition attempting to discourage drinking, and that didn’t work. Biden said that our rights were not absolute. He may come to regret that comment if he even remembers it.

From: Woods Walker
09-Apr-21

Woods Walker's embedded Photo
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Our future?

From: Rupe
10-Apr-21
And still not a peep from the Left.

From: Stix
10-Apr-21
I think the some of the brainless American gun culture folks are causing their own gun control by hoarding ammo. A gun without ammo is as good as a confiscated gun. The American gun culture has led the confiscation effort of their own firearms. There's no rush to push any new anti gun legislation. The brainless are doing it more quickly. And from the fear on this thread and others like it, and the empty store ammo shelves prove it's being done very effectively.

Thanks for confiscating my hunting rifle BOZO's !!! I hope I can buy ammo for it in time for hunting season.

It seems every time a notion that a particular person is elected, the brainless come out, hoard ammo, drive prices up, and cause the availability to dwindle. All the gun culture folks should be the one you should be directing your anger towards. They do this like clockwork: Promote fear, hoard firearms and ammo, limit supply, drive up prices, post on internet boards etc. They are performing the best gun control ever. Anyone who takes part in the above listed activities is nothing but a stupid a##.

"And still not a peep from the Left."

The left is just watching in amazement of their goal being achieved by the brainless on the other side.

From: Tank
11-Apr-21
Had four long years of ammo O plenty under Trump. The two ammo depletion scares under Obama 12 years prior to the Nov 2020 election was very good indicators that Obiden would change Ammo Import laws and with Soros still owning most all small arms production in USA *ATK* and Rem going down was obvious that anything on shelves would get scooped up. Planning is part of success and survival. Most folks have maybe 3-4 days of food and 1 two days water in house or Apt. One bad natural event without water most folks will look to your stocks to feed their kids when they are screaming of hunger. People will do most anything to survive. That means: Taking your stuff is well within rational thought.

It is looking like Obiden will choke out foriegn smalls arms ammo imports. If that happens you will not find much of anything on shelves for some time. The priority for small arms production goes something along these lines: US Armed Forces: ATK contract was signed under Obummer LC, MO 20yrs US Federal Law Enforcement Agencies ,list is long State Law Enforcement Commercial Loaded center fire ammo US made Commercial reloading components So , on, so forth.

So, when Obama and Soros put the squeeze on in his first Admin we got plenty Foreign made ammo. Then, Obummers 2nd term they threw in a tightening of that overseas ammo by over regulation. Trump got rid of that as fast as the Iran Nuke give away. Sorry to say but Obiden is bringing that back as we speak.

So, it's not your brethern taking your ammo Stix! Not to mention if you have not been to a city gun shop or talked to a jobber that moves lots of weapons and ammo.... The Gangsta's are buying up ammo and will pay huge amounts for it!!! I have witnessed them buying cases of 9mm, 223 and 45 at $2.25/rnd and they are getting it sold to them like preferred customers.

Been reloading since I was 12 and shooting military matches since a teenager. So, with what I have just in what was accrued since then I could support a small incursion into Burma. Been offered $1.50 for 9mm, .45 ammo while doing my weekly range work. Not interested in selling ammo just shooting it. Be hopeful that the 2022 mid terms will ease this stuff up a bit. My jobber friends tell it will be that long before it does folks. Tank

11-Apr-21
I think anyone who believes the ammo shortage is due to people hoarding ammo, is simply very ignorant of reality. That belief is causing more harm then realized. Because it gets recited as if it’s the truth.

Do you folks live in the same world as everyone else? No where I’m aware of let’s a person buy enough at one time to hoard ammo. It’s been that way for a decade. Yes, buying a couple bricks of ammo might be a lifetime supply to do e. For others it’s a shooting session or two. That’s not hoarding. That’s being prepared.

This ammo shortage has been ongoing. The writings been on the wall since the early 90’s. Blaming those that’s prepared for it accordingly is stupid. Blaming those that buy what they are allowed is stupid. In fact, blaming anything but policy that’s increased the demand for gun purchases is beyond reasonable.

Time changes things. And, if you haven’t seen it concerning ammo, due to your own arrogance, that’s on you. And, nobody else.

From: Glunt@work
11-Apr-21
Had a guy ask me about stocking food and water vs ammo in case of a real SHTF emergency situation. I told him both are obviously important but ammo is the priority.

"Why"

"Because the day before the emergency each household can decide to have beans, ammo or both. The day after the SHTF, the household with ammo decides who has beans."

If no serious action gets taken in the next few months things will calm down but I can't blame folks for reacting to threats.

From: Woods Walker
11-Apr-21
"Because the day before the emergency each household can decide to have beans, ammo or both. The day after the SHTF, the household with ammo decides who has beans."

^^^^^ ENGRAVE THAT IN STONE!!!!

From: Stix
11-Apr-21
There were no ammo limitations either online or at retail stores prior to the shortage in supply caused by panic buying. Ammo is the new toilet paper. Can't blame it on covid, as ammo was considered essential and off did not cease. I put this squarely on the heads of the stupid side of the gun culture who feel unrealisticly empowered by firearms, but in reality they would only last 5 minutes in a tactical situation once the tear gas, flash bangs, and K-9's are deployed. Stupid people need to stop using firearms as their baby binky's and think realistically how to deal with life.

From: DanaC
11-Apr-21
Ammo did get sparse when the Remington plant shut down for bankruptcy proceedings; they're slowly bringing it back to full production. But 'panic' buying, especially by the 'preppers' who already have a ton of ammo, makes it look as though there is zero ammo coming off the lines.

Think about this - if Walmart has a standing order for shotgun shells, and they get a tractor-trailer load daily *5 days a week*, it works out to about one case per store per week, nationwide.

From: Glunt@work
11-Apr-21
Might not be "stupid", "unrealistically empowered", "brainless", "stupid a$$es$". Might just be guys who like to shoot, take the Democrats at their word that they will be limiting gun rights and are frustrated that finding ammo in a shortage is a pain so when you have the chance, buy a few extra boxes. I put a few extra packs of TP in the closet when it was in short supply. Not because I feared TP was not going to be produced, I just like being able to use the right tool for the job.

From: Thornton
11-Apr-21
Stix- someday you may need a gun, and your citified thought process will quickly learn the hard way. I work in a public, high stress environment where guns are sometimes needed. It can happen anywhere as demonstrated by weekly road rage and employment shootings. I'll continue to buy guns and ammo as I have with the 800 rounds this week alone, and I'll enjoy every minute I get to shoot and collect them.

From: Stix
11-Apr-21
Thornton, I have firearms,... many, and I have lived in an environment for 20 years where a firearms (+) were by my side, for both offensive and defensive purposes. I can guarantee it was a multitude of higher stress than most on this board have ever felt.

I too pick up a box of buckshot when I feel the need to augment my supply for home defense. But there is a false narrative that firearms are the single most important item of US freedom, so much so that people are ready to turn on each other over their political views on firearms. They have been elevated by the gun culture to an iconic status, but they are nothing more than symbolic, much like presidential executive orders. I'd like to suggest to you that firearms are necessary, but should not be worshiped as the sole provider of our liberties. There is no need to trash a brother because he is of the opinion that certain semi-automatic firearms should be closely regulated. If it gets to that point it truly is not worth it. If the only thing securing your freedom is a semi-auto firearm, than you've already lost because you are living in fear.

The people that do this by panic buying and hoarding are actually having a negative impact on the common defense of the free state by the citizen militia envisioned by the founding fathers.

We are no longer living in times of the revolution. But if you want to bring in constitutional violations, we have a standing army despite what is written in the constitution prohibiting this. I don't see people protesting in the street that we are violating this aspect of the constitution, ready to tear down a brother because he believes we need a standing army to protect our sovereignty.

From: Woods Walker
12-Apr-21
Sovereignty?? If our leaders truly believed in our sovereignty they'd SEND THAT STANDING ARMY TO THE DAMN BORDER instead of surrounding themselves with them and razor wire!

From: Tank
12-Apr-21
Sounds like some here are zero balance.

You go to the place what was the DDR when the Commies were in there and tell me those folks were free without a weapons for the common folk.

Maybe China would be free if one billion of them could own private weapons? I can tell you there would be no work camps in NoKo if the population could own private weapons.

Have always bought primers by the case and well as powder and bullets by the box of 1000ea. Just have lots more folks are now doing the same. Because we are free to do so. I have not bought much of anything since O'biden and Covid stole the nation. Picked up my 30lbs of rifle and pistol powder for the year as always. I did grab an extra case large pistol primers in Oct. Figured I ought to as I would be bow hunting all over the Rockies for the next two months and may not get back til after election but I knew it was gonna go bad and prolly not be decided by Jan.

Powder is coming in regular now, primers not so much. Guys are gouging for primers. tank

From: DanaC
12-Apr-21
Every last primer they can make is going into loaded ammunition. They feed their own loading lines before they package 'excess' for sale to reloaders. Doubt we'll see primers for six months to a year out. Glad I'm stocked for a while, but hoping new powder starts hitting the shelves soon.

From: TRnCO
12-Apr-21
let's see, I've read reports of 8 million NEW gun owners. Now let's say each of those wanted to buy to boxes of ammo(50 rds) each, simple math says that's one heck of a lot of ammo. going to NEW gun owners alone, not counting the current gun owners buying what they can find. BUT let's go ahead and blame the "hoarders" for ammo shortage.

From: DanaC
12-Apr-21
Tim, it ain't all one thing or another, it's a combination of factors, and hoarding is _one_ of those. So are the material and labor shortages caused by Covid. So is the Remington plant being off-line for several months. So is the demand caused by new shooters.

Since the only factor I have control over is my own purchasing, I choose NOT to 'hoard'. Others choose the opposite.

(But, I have seen where hoarding can become a compulsive thing, not just re. ammunition either. There was a TV show...)

From: spike78
12-Apr-21
Remington is the only ammo I’ve ever had issues with not firing.

From: DanaC
12-Apr-21
Spike, I run club ham and turkey shoots where we burn through cases of shotshells, and Remington 'Gun Club' was as reliable as any and better than some. (And half the misfires were by goobers who think de-gunking their guns is some kind of sinfulness...)

From: spike78
12-Apr-21
Dana these were rifle rounds. Remington asked me to send the rest of box in and they concluded it was a bad batch and made good with a $35 check.

From: Tank
12-Apr-21
Look at Minn last nite. Good reason to have a well operating AR. When they call 911 up there its just the clean up crew coming.

Look at what Maryland just did. The Gov just threw out the Law enforcement Bill of Rights. See how many those men and women stay on forces there. They are going to see some real problems in southern part of state and in Baltimore without question. I would want a good gun truck gun living there and a backup for my ankle backup! Tank

From: spike78
12-Apr-21
I was blown away at the Governor of MN saying that another black youth dead at the hands of law enforcement wow. That’s a damn good thing to say to incite riots in the state you are supposed to be keeping safe. And all this before the police investigation came out.

From: 70lbdraw
12-Apr-21
Now they're saying the LEO mistakenly drew and shot his pistol instead of his taser. Talk about screwing the pooch...

From: Tank
12-Apr-21
Pays to follow LEO instructions very carefully or you may get the 357Sig by mistake instead of the Taser. Happens in Minn I guess?

Yes, that jellyfish for a GOV really screwd the DA up there and with the Chauvin trail going on! This guy is either just a bomb thrower or he really wants the place to radically change over night. He may just get his wish tonight. Clearly he is not a leader in anyway or wanting a peaceful civilian population. Wonder if he owns a construction company like ServePro or something? Tank

From: BC
12-Apr-21
The responsible party is the guy who wouldn’t comply with police while they were arresting him on an outstanding warrant. If he had complied (or not had a warrant for an illegal firearm in the first place) there would’ve been no need for a gun or tazer.

Of course no authority will say this and the media will avoid this detail at all cost. The police might as well stop trying to enforce the law. Don’t worry about warrants. If a suspect doesn’t comply or runs, just let him go. It’s pointless. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don’t.

From: spike78
12-Apr-21
That’s right BC he was a fine upstanding young man like all the rest that were killed by LE.

From: spike78
12-Apr-21
Well another school shooting in TN. This doesn’t help our cause. Just curious though who is at school at 4pm?

From: Tank
12-Apr-21
Without LEO's and rule of law we are just like Libya, Somolia. OK, most of North Africa really. What has made America what it is was it's cure for an over bearing power stepping on the neck of free peoples of the new world. That cure was the rule of law enforced by and of free men who later wrote what god had given us in way of rights on paper.

Geez, Obiden has come out and openly said the 2nd Amendment is not what it says and guns can be basically seized or regulated out the public domain. When you got the Chief Lawman and CDR of the nation publicaly decreeing the 2nd Amendment null or void for vagueness where does it end? Then, is the 4th and 14th Void upon Tomoto Joe's decree as well?

If there was RO with a gun or two in that school today this would have been over very fast with a much different outcome. Prayers to those folks and families. Tank

From: Swampbuck
12-Apr-21

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12-Apr-21

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From: Tank
13-Apr-21
See last nite in Minn? Will Joe aknowledge the BLM and Antifa rioting? Force disorder and crime are running the show now. Now more than ever you need good policing and your weapon. Need a new TV series Dirty Harry in response to this new age crime wave we are seeing and murder rates going sky high in big Cities. Tank

From: Tank
13-Apr-21

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Dems have had this perverted dream for a long time. The good news in the House is that the Dem's have gone so batcrap crazy that a bunch of the members can not vote for this nutty stuff. Cant go home and face voters. So, they are in a pickle with only a five member advantage over the GOP. What this effectively does as House members will start politicing very soon for their 2022 races is, they are going to vote NO on issues that will most assuredly get them loses at home. Which in turn will place McCarthy as the real Speaker of house in late 2021.

This UN treaty is real however unless we have a Dem retire here soon we may be in another pickle. Tank

From: TRnCO
15-Apr-21
And now a bill has been introduced to ban suppressors/silencers, you know because they are used all over this country in crimes. Oh wait, …..

Oh they won't come after guns. Yeah Dems., this is what you voted into power.

From: Tank
16-Apr-21
Just got an update from one of the largest Jobbers in nation for reloading supplies. Since retail stores are now selling primers at $100/1000ea the new price from manufacturers price has now gone to $48/thousand and will go to $60/1000 by end of year. That's if you can find them.

Waiting on the facts from Indy last nite? Yep Joe and the Camel Toe wanna take all your 2A rights and just give every convict on no cash bail third and fourth chances with your family. Oh, and no 2A carry for them.

Went and did my range work yesterday. Was digging 50yd steel with my work pistol like it had eyes. Got the new backup for my backup running well. Then, did some LR prone work slung up. Good day. Tank

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