Thinking there are one or two Dem senators who wont support this. Either way, there won't be 9 Republican senators who support more gun control (besides universal background checks), so anything too radical will be DOA in the Senate. They should have done this when they had a supermajority in Obama's first two years.
You better hope it doesn’t get through the senate. I don’t know how far the socialists think they can carry this, but a damn rabbit will bite you if you squeeze him hard enough.
I was told that if Trump lost and we lost the Senate they won't go after gun rights. A "conservative" never-Trumper told me this when discussing his Biden vote. So no worries.
This has to be fake news because the Leftwing Biden voters on Bowsite practically guaranteed this was just paranoid thinking and would never happen. Come on man!
Hope some of those fools come here to confess how ignorant they were.
The Democrats will forever try to chip away at gun laws just like Republicans will forever try and chip away at abortion laws. Both get nowhere and the status quo continues.
First of all none of the guns they list are assault weapons. 2nd the AR 15 is one of the most popular weapon in this country and the court ruled that a weapon that is popular in use is protected. Also, I believe it was California judge that shot down (pun intended) the magazine restriction as infringing on the 2nd amendment. Funny how the liberals want to defund police and allow Antifa to riot and yet want to disarm the law abiding citizen. Maybe uncle joe will pass a bill that will give every citizen a high fence, razor wire wall with guards to protect their families, oh wait, that's only for the Washington elites. I don't believe the senate will pass this, Joe Manchin has lots of gun folk on his state as does uncle Bernie, but they will try. 2022 is around the corner and I pray that people have their heads out of their arses by then and vote these left wing loons out of office, if not then this country is doomed, and China is just waiting for it.
Republicans are spineless...Nothing will happen in 22, unless voting goes back to somewhat normal! Then I’ll believe it when I see it...
Like here, we have the signatures to put on the ballot (special election) for the recall of Gruesome Newsom...Now all of a sudden ‘signatures’ must be matched/verified! Funny how that works...Dem’s will lie and cheat, it’s in their DNA! Lol
Not fake news Rupe. Fienstein introduced it and has a bunch of dems sponsoring it with many more dems chiming in in support of the bill. Let’s hope those handful of rhinos don’t cave. Romney? Cheney? And several more.
All this shit attacking our constitution and our rights is treasonous. Boebert is saying and doing things that guys like Graham and the other swamp snakes should be saying and doing. Spineless bastards.....
Joe Manchin has openly been pro America when being interviewed. He always flips though and votes with his party. Regardless of his claims.
The thing about people is they have short memories. And, even smaller comprehension abilities. Because ole Joe was the first Democrat screaming about stricter gun control on “automatic” weapons after several shootings during Obama’s tenure. And, he will likely continue with it now.
He is a politician. Which means he is the dirtiest whore in the street by default. Add in his typical practices, and he’s surely going to follow the Democrat party on this one. If history has any bearing.
My first AR lower to build around was delivered last friday. I own a couple dozen or so guns but my first AR. (Aero Precision M4E1in FDE Cerakote, so it's not even a black gun =D) It's insane even trying to find one right now. Putting it together piece by piece. Magpul furniture and for now I installed the basic Aero lower hardware kit. Seems any and all parts for these things on backorder. Most anyway, especially if looking for specific hardware. Have gone through dozens of online sites.... all pretty much out of everything. Prices a good deal higher than they were last year when I started researching. It's really a very cool platform, enjoying working on it and learning about it. A shame if it doesn't know how to swim though, I'm on boats a fair amount.....
Have to admit.... The current political climate tipped my scales into not just buying another gun, but this specific gun. Building one SHTF 223 wylde upper and another in 6.5 grendel for pig control. One of the few things I'll pick up a gun for. Pigs and scum.....
Apparently President Houseplant is a better gun salesman than even that clean black guy was..... Called in to make an appointment (covid rules) to get my Permit to Acquire (a HI thing) early last October.... next available date, my date, was Jan 6th, almost 3 months. Lots of folks in line to buy guns for a democrat state I'd have to say....
"..Nothing will happen in 22, unless voting goes back to somewhat normal!"
Ain't happenin'. Those days are over. They used the Covid fear mongering to get their mail-in vote fraud established and it ain't goin' NOWHERE. They know they have the winning hand now forever. They stripped us of our freedom without a shot being fired...for now.
Never say never or they wouldn't dare. We are in an age where we can spread half truths and outright lies to millions of people in seconds. We could do the same with the truth but we stay silent because the claims are unbelievable. I write my congressman regularly and my senators often to point out the lies and flaws in reasoning. I am hunted with a quote that I can't remember the author . I would give credit if I could remember. "All it takes for evil to triumph over is for good men to do nothing" If it had been written recently it would have said people not men. Please take the time to tell congress how you feel , Why you feel that way and if you can offer an alternative. I find the current state of affairs disturbing and exhausting.
It's not just about assault rifles. It's about having to register every gun you own or buy. It's about a back ground check that would let an ex wife or disgruntled neighbor keep you from buying or owning a firearm. It's about registering all ammunition you purchase. Guys on here claim to have lost all their guns in a boating accident. What happens if your out shooting targets with your Grandsons & a warden or police officer asks to see the unregistered Ruger automatic 22 you're plinking with. Instantly you are given a citation. Gun is confiscated. You are NOW a felon for possessing an unregistered firearm. The Anti gun crazies are trying to do all that!
(*repost/edited* PG version) Lord... the amount of inaccurate information being spewed on both sides of the issue is laughable and headache inducing all at the same time
1... Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. "assault weapon" etc. That's what they are, the fact that you think they should be called a "sporting rifle" doesn't really help in you trying to prove your point as to why they should not be banned. Comes off as logical as the a lefty saying the 2nd is only for militias. 2... Boebert is garbage and stealing from the tax payers. 20k$ in mileage, oddly the amount her restaurant is in debt for? Also classic "rules for thee not for me" type of chick. 3... No SCOTUS did not rule " if a gun is popular you can't ban it". That was a singular opinion from one justice taken out of context on a broad category of guns (handguns to be specific). 4... not sure I have ever seen a comment from a left leaning bowsite member saying they are never going to try to ban AR15 style guns 5... also sadly most crimes(not domestic) involving guns are from stolen guns. Like for instance the one involving a 14 year old in my town who smoked a random lady with a stolen AR 15(gun type kind of irrelevant to be honest in this case). He had been arrested multiple times with weapons violations at age 14! I mean *scat*, local gun shops are against a proposed law that says they have to secondarily lock up their display stock in a safe at the end of the day. they are resisting that. Like yeah! I a gun and ar15 owner think you should have to lock up your guns extra. I mean, If the only thing i need is a rock and I can steal all your guns by simply smashing a building window and a display case than yeah that's unacceptable.
Perhaps if the elected officials on the right stopped supporting coups and overthrows of government and giving a platform for looney bin conspiracy theorists(boebert, taylor green, etc) than more people would be inclined to vote for them and dems wouldn't have a 3 way majority.
*Fudge*, I don't like many of the policies of democrats and have never voted for a dem for president but *scat*, I won't be casting a vote for a republican anytime soon. If that means I have to hide my ar15 because dems were able to institute a ban on them, than so be it. It's sad when the current dems have more American principles and than the traitorous GOP does.
@arlow... most soccer players from NY own an AR15? What 4th grade joke are you actually trying to make? Other than not addressing the reality of what I said.
"*Fudge*, I don't like many of the policies of democrats and have never voted for a dem for president but *scat*, I won't be casting a vote for a republican anytime soon."
Welp, if you vote like an idiot, you're the problem dude...
that's the dangest thing you said. It's the same thing I heard from my left leaning friends and family. "If you don't vote for candidate A, it's a vote for candidate B"
in your case "if you don't vote for B it's a vote for A"
If a 14 YO is out walking the streets unsupervised after multiple weapon charges, the blame for him stealing a gun and killing someone isn't on the law abiding gun store owner or wherever he stole the gun. He is to blame, followed by his parents/guardians, followed by the system that failed him and his victims.
Boebert was elected because gun rights are under assault constantly. I know some are scared of a society with freedom and personal accountability. It comes with risks for sure. The benefits far outweigh the risks in the big picture.
I agree with most of what you said. The justice system is largely failed. I was more or less bringing it up to point out resistance to literal common sense gun laws. Should Ar's be banned? No I don't think so. Should gun stores have to actually secure their merchandise? yes
also boebert is the problem. Sorry, the ends do not justify the means. She is a puppet bought and paid for by big oil and big guns... which is also the main issue in all of politics to begin with(big money). She's been arrested multiple times, resisted arrest and skipped out on court appearances. Truth be told about on par with the current right's definition of "law and order". She is a "do as I say, not as I do" She has the guise of pro gun pro law an order, but she is trash.
"Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. "assault weapon" etc. That's what they are"
That's what they were in the 1950s. But they have not been used in war (except the war on coyotes) since about 1962. Lefties like you want to call them "assault weapons" to bolster the narrative, which is a lie.
ANY physical item that you use to attack/beat/kill/disable another person with is an "assault" weapon. If that particular item is left by itself it'll lay there for eternity and rot away and never harm anything or anyone. It's the HUMAN BEING in control of it that does the "assaulting".
So simple even a Democrat can figure it out.....well....maybe not.
ummm, so, like..all my weapons identify as defense weapons ?!?
and, so nicknick ur like divisive tone and rhetoric & like mischaracterizations are making me uncomfortable and stuff?!?
& soooo, like ur bogus registration and like totally flagrant abuse of other forum rules makes me want to sort of just have u cancelled?!? maybe fired from ur job too & stuff?!?
“Perhaps if the elected officials on the right stopped supporting coups and overthrows of government”
This statement is where you stop any conversation with a fool. If it is stupid enough to believe the media and politicians he’s not worth discussing anything with.
My mother was a smart woman. She said you can never win an argument with a fool. Having said that I would love for all of us to remove emotion for a moment. We need to look at where the problems are and why. My first question is how often are the firearms in question used in actual crime? How often do these crimes get prosecuted? How often are these crimes drug related? I am an optimist at heart. I suspect we could remove a lot of our problems by simply allowing folks to work. I have attempted to explain my views to my congressman and senators. We do not need to restrict our best to control our worst.
I don’t know who Q-anon is, but if you even remotely support anything that chips away at our constitution, then you are a traitor. That includes the second amendment. Someone mentioned focusing on the problem and leave emotion out of it. That’s simple. Obey God’s 10 Commandments, and protect the Constitution.
Lots of suggestions on here but the people that are chipping away at our 2nd Amendment don't really care about how we feel. They could careless about our rights & how guns don't kill people...people kill people! They are on a mission to win at all costs. Not 1 gun was found at the Capitol after January 6th protest/riot. 1 shot fired by an unknown police officer that killed a Lady protester. Look at what happened since!
Tank, I do what I can but ..... Back when Regan was reelected in 84(?) HI was the only state he lost if I recall. And it was around noon or so here election day when Mondale conceded. HI still voted for him. Is what it is.
"Permits to Acquire" are good for one year, so I'm in the Police dept where you get it fairly regularly. A couple years ago the lady said, "wow, you own a lot of guns! why do you have so many?" I told her "because I can....." A couple years ago they made it far more invasive.... required fingerprinting and a mug shot, along with birth certificate and drivers license to register with the new system (which cost about $40). Literally treated you like a criminal being booked. We fought it but it went through. Along with the common leftist statement of "well, if you're not doing anything wrong then you shouldn't have anything to worry about...." Well why am I being treated like I'm being booked for breaking a law already, I've done nothing wrong. Crickets.
I am a member of the Hawaii Firearms Coalition. We are in the middle of a fight with new state bills right now. "Assault Weapons" ban, mag restrictions, etc. I email my reps, do what I can to make my voice heard, as actual hearings are on another island. But here it is surely all uphill and against the wind...
When I was in HI back in ‘12-‘13, I met many local Hawaiian’s on Oahu who were proud to own AR15’s. Many at the local archery range. I can almost guarantee that most of those locals did not have any kind of permits. There are many guns that government officials don’t know about on the island’s.
1... Stop trying to make your case by arguing semantics. High powered sniper rifle. That's what they are, the fact that you think they should be called a "bolt action hunting rifle" doesn't really help in you trying to prove your point as to why they should not be banned.
FTFY....
Words....well, they mean things. An assault weapon is select fire between full auto and semi-auto. Its typically an intermediate power round. A detachable mag does not make it an assault weapon. Nor does a pistol grip or a vertical foregrip. It's no more an assault weapon than my .308 with a 4x16 Vortex scope is a sniper rifle.
According to the CDC there IS a product that currently causes ~90,000 deaths per year. Entirely legal. No background check, no purchase limit. Only requirement is age. It's a product that causes roughly 180X the number of deaths than ALL long guns including those evil assault rifles. I can purchase it at the grocery store, gas station....
LOL! That's awesome. Perfect! Made my day..... instead of using pronouns we can use rifle, pistol, shotgun and go from there into identifying actions, auto, semi-auto, bolt, lever, (oh!) pump..... I'm not sure what part of the alphabet my savage 24 20ga/223 would fit into..... but I love it just the same.....
From: IdyllwildArcher 12-Mar-21Private Reply The Democrats will forever try to chip away at gun laws just like Republicans will forever try and chip away at abortion laws. Both get nowhere and the status quo continues. Really!? Democrats aren’t just chipping away at abolishing the 2nd amendment Ike!! In fact they are doubling down on both and pedal to the metal! It’s why we need real men to stand up for innocent life they are one in the same and I’ll say if men can’t stand up for the truth and true science of not killing babies we will never win anything let alone the 2nd amendment.
“ Democrats aren’t just chipping away at abolishing the 2nd amendment Ike!!”
Andy,
First of all, where in my post did I post an opinion on either topic? I did not.
Second, which new Federal gun laws have affected you in the past 10 years? 20 years?
Lastly, which anti-abortion laws have actually stuck past SCOTUS review in the past 10 years? 20 years?
My point is there’s a lot of hand wringing, hyperbole, bills presented, bills passed, etc. But the net effect has been close to nothing over my adult life.
State gun laws are more onerous than Federal these days. All of our (wife and I) detachable magazines would be illegal in CO if they had date stamps. Thank goodness the Dems weren't smart enough to figure that out when they passed the stupid law. Rep Diana Degette thinks magazines are "ammunition" and are useless once the load is exhausted.
I had to drive 30 miles to the WY state line to sell a gun to one of my closest friends. Next we'll be violating a soon-to-be enacted "safe storage" law. Colorado is as screwed as the other blue states.
When it comes to abortion, God is on the side of those who fight it. The final judgement will tell who is truly right, those who support killing the unborn, or those who believe it has a right to live. I support the side of morality, including one’s right to defend ones self against those who intend to hurt us or enslave us to a government gone totalitarian. I believe that history will prove me right.
Maybe it's time for the states that still have sane (non-Democrat) leadership to do like the Democrat states did over the past years...IGNORE Federal law, like sanctuary cities. Why not have a sanctuary city/states for the legal, inalienable 2A Constitutional right? Or would that be domestic terrorism?
I'm probably on their watch list now. If I disappear that's why. But at least I won't be alone.
It's going to be interesting to see if Schumer and the Democrats remove the filibuster.
Trump was stymied by the filibuster when he held both houses.
I wonder if Democrats are really looking at the long game because as I've heard before majorities come and go and Republicans could soon be in charge with no filibuster.
Could you imagine a nationwide abortion band or right to work law with a simple majority in the Senate? Be careful for what you wish for...
Ike I see what you’re saying but that was then this is now and we can’t sit back and say that it’s all no big deal anymore. This is the left’s perfect storm right now and they will use fear now more than ever because COVID has shown them it will work!
"I wonder if Democrats are really looking at the long game because as I've heard before majorities come and go and Republicans could soon be in charge with no filibuster."
I fear that will never happen again Mike, because with the mail-in vote fraud now being part of our election system, a Republican will never win another major race of significance.
It wasn’t all that long ago that the Republicans had that majority. How quickly we forget. Problem with that is the swamp that’s infested the Republican Party. I don’t think there’s any question on who these corrupt politicians are.........
“Who’s going to comply....Pretty simple!“ Knock knock
"Who’s there
Yes sir we are here to collect your AR 15 and all the ammo
........................what do they think is gonna happen"
Thats not what they will do - the Democrats learned their lesson with Ruby Ridge and Waco - public nightmares, even the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) ordeal where "friends" showed up.
Democrats will legislate everything - laws and taxes. Additionally, you will have to insure and certify/register each firearm each year and pay a small tax each year on each firearm. Don't comply you say, now you lost your health insurance! Since the new gun laws will be tied to medical for the health and safety of children. Now your wife and kids can't get their prescriptions because of your guns. You wont be able to afford ammo and if you do - you'll be buried in paperwork, don't comply - fined and jail time. Get caught with an unregistered gun - court case, fined and jail time. But the guns (all but the black ones) will still be there on the shelves to buy and they can still say they "dont want to take your guns away".
Once again, if some Democrat controlled state can ignore Federal immigration law and declare itself a "sanctuary" from those Federal laws, then why can't a Republican controlled state do the same with anti-2A gun laws?
The people that will comply are the same ones saying now, " that they lost theirs in a boating accident." Stop the cowardice talk. Time to stand up and demand that gov't serve us, we don't serve the gov't.
Assault weapons banned by politicians and people that don't have the spine to actually ban assault by the groups like Anitfa and BLM. Endless stupidity....
If the Dems approach this from a tax standpoint, they can ram it through in 2022 with reconciliation, which will only require 50 votes in the Senate. Have to hope that a couple Dems in blue states have enough balls to vote against it.
Gun control laws and bills were initiated for one reason, to keep guns out of the hands of minorities. Reagan initiated some of the first gun control laws in California for that reason. The same as anti drug laws. Make them felonies then those minorites can't vote or have firearms. It's a way to ensure that the government can keep guns out of the hands of certain demographics. We would have to admit that fact in order to address it. Not many Republicans want to admit that. Maybe if we can get the Dems on board with that, we might have a chance. Gun control is inherently RACIST. we need to "cancel" gun control. Flame away if you wish, but it's the truth. Set a precedent, then you control the narrative.
This was true the first time and will forever be true. "When they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns".
The reason it will always be true is more obvious than you think. That statement is not talking about the current outlaws it is talking about all of those current law abiding gun owners that will not give up their guns on the effective date of that law. When that day comes my friends it will get beyond bad if it is enforced to the letter of the law.
My suggestion is to prepare yourselves for the fight but in the mean time also be pro-active in not allowing it to come to that.
What scarier than, "only outlaws having guns", is only the GOVERNMENT having guns. When you combine that with the reality that they are now purging the military's ranks of "MAGA" people, so it'll make it much easier for them to give the order to shoot and kill Americans they deem "domestic terrorists".
Woods Walker, that is why it was written into the bill of rights. Our elected officials that vote for this law to come into effect will at the time they cast their vote be criminals themselves and should be arrested immediately because they were sworn to uphold the constitution.
I'm a troll for giving my opinion? I don't understand why civilians need weapons of war but I understand if u take them away from law abiding citizens, criminals are still gonna find away to get them so I understand the argument on both sides
Not a gun guy? That's cool. Are you a freedom guy? Or do you prefer to lick the boot placed upon your neck, while offering up any orifice for safety and security?
These guys had some first hand experience on why citizens need to be armed.
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..." - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
"To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
Rsquared, you don’t “need” a bow either, or water skis, or football games, or wheelbarrows, or just about anything else I could name . It ain’t about need sport, it’s about a right that guaranteed by the 2nd amendment of our Constitution, and given to us at creation by God Almighty. If you can’t wrap your head around that, then there’s no hope for any further conversation.
I said I was basically neutral on the issue but then people started getting ignorant towards me on the issue...sorry but once u bring a god into an argument, then I'm out...
"That would last about 10 minutes with or with out assault weapons..."
"You would last < 5 minutes, with or without a semiautomatic firearm once the swat team sends in flash bangs, tear gas, and K9's"
We're still in 'stan ain't we? Basically what you're saying is they would need literally thousands of coordinated confiscations across the nation. Cuz ya might pull that shit off once or twice on random locations. Third time might not go as planned.
"I said I was basically neutral on the issue but then people started getting ignorant towards me on the issue..."
No. People challenged your position and your feelings got hurt.
If it goes bang, it can be used in war. Pistols, pump shotguns, etc., have all been used quite effectively in war. Should they all be banned too? Is my semi auto shotgun a weapon of war? Should they be banned? Long guns kill so few people in this country, it's ridiculous they are being targeted. Cell phones, beers, cars are far more violent and destructive to humans.
Hypothetical. If the government declared gun owners had 10 days to turn in their weapons of war or, face military force during their confiscation, they’d prime a militia response to their first attempt.
Reality. They know this and are slowly chipping away at the ability to own a firearm. Mostly on local and state levels. However, if this goes through, it’s hard to tell where it goes and what it will leave in its wake.
Yes, there are a lot of people who won’t care one way or the other. There are some who’d sell their soul to stay alive. And, there are quite a few who’d take it for the threat it is. Including the men sent to take them. It’d get ugly pretty quickly.
A hunting site where supposed "hunters" don't support the Second Amendment and voted for the party that would love nothing more than to take away our Second Amendment rights..... unreal.
Cat, they have no reason at all. They actually think gun violence will stop if they ban guns lol so maybe they haven't figured out cocaine has been illegal in this country forever and yet plenty of it flows in the streets. The only reason linerals want guns banned is they are scared they will be used against them one day.
It's really pretty simple. The second amendment protects all the others. Just look what they are doing now. Imagine what they would do if they have all the guns, and nothing to fear.
They are trying to buy us, and divide us. Just look at the recent stimulus package. Covid relief? Only 9% went to that. And only 1% went to vaccine. But they are starting from scratch? How about the part that gives $$ only to minority farmers? Not All farmers that need it, just minorities.
They moved the wall from Mexico to DC. All those troops? Why do they need that protection? What are they planning? Why are they so afraid? Treasonous? Treasonous is right. They are drunk with power. The 2A is there to keep them in check, because they work for us.
New riots in Portland. And of course no one arrested! But we, Americans for the preservation of America are domestics terrorist who need to be checked? Utter brainwashed nonsense.
This is not about public safety. If it was, they would go heavier against the criminals with guns. Background checks? How many mass shooters were in their sites, but were still able to purchase or get guns? Clean up Chicago and the other murderous cess pools, then you can bring this argument to the table. Still not gonna listen, but would be a good start.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
I would hope that people who aren't necessarily gun owners would also realize that if the corrupt politicians can literally strip us of one basic Constitutional right, then why would anyone with an ounce of grey matter think they WOULDN'T do it to any/all of the others???
The majority of career politicians that now are in control of this country will stop at NOTHING to get even more power over us and further deny us what they have no authority to according to the Constitution.
Who do we see about that? When it comes down to it, the answer is simple.....US!!!
Over 110 years ago Teddy Roosevelt hunted with a semi auto rifle. The most popular semi auto pistol was patented by Moses Browning in 1911. Hope our senate can kill this crap.
No dry creek I just decided to let it go because my original comment started such an uproar and that was not my intention...I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject and so I'm not gonna debate something I'm not educated in . I will say that I don't agree that people with there guns are somehow keeping the government at bay...
I'm just confused with what some people really think they would do if they decided they were coming for your guns is all? A little out gunned regardless don't u think? Your best bet is to probably vote and peacefully protest if u want
I'm gonna delete all my comments. I wish u all the best and I respect everyone's opinion and I think this division in this country is sad. I'm on the fence on the issue and I'd like to educate myself a little better before I make a stance on it.
Rsquared...freedom isn't free. The Founders and Revolutionaries all realized that and accepted the cost that may have to be paid. Just because one has any easy life and great standard of living today does not negate the eventual price.
No one is claiming an individual will out-gun the govt. However, news will spread that some stood against tyranny and others will follow. Many govt actors will (hopefully) not engage citizens.
To not stand up is akin to agreeing to be loaded into railcars. That doesn't work for some of us.
Then maybe a bit if history and education WRT our Constitution and it's Bill of Rights is in order. Some study into not only what the words are on paper but WHY they are written and in the order they are written. The intent of the framers who designed it. Not some morons in chithole mega-cities that want to dictate their idea of "rights" over the natural born God given rights of mankind.
First a necessary realignment as to perspective..... the Government, both left and right as humans in power always try to do..... has attempted to brainwash it's citizens to believe Rights are GRANTED by the government. The entire Bill of Rights is based on the fact these rights are endowed on man by God, not government.... inalienable, cannot be transferred or surrendered, explicitly denied to do so by government. And is in fact a list of RESTRICTIONS on the government. Things the government is not allowed to infringe on, not under any circumstances. It is up to the citizens to keep their GOVERNMENT in check..... not the other way around.
Any discussion as to Rights needs be based and focused on that premise..... not a false premise that the government "grants" any rights at all. Or has any "rights" of it's own for that matter. That's a BIG deal and never in the history of world has it been stated much less enshrined as the foundation and basis of forming a country. Government exists for the people and in protection of their stated Rights. Not to dictate what rights they allow and what rights they do not. "Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear. They will TRY to infringe and dictate rights, it's the nature of man and power. The Framers knew that, they studied history and human nature. And tried to empower it's citizens, gave them tools to help prevent the government from overthrowing it's citizens.
People think they can do and say only what the government ALLOWS them to. Gosh, I wonder how that may have happened..... In any discussion over Constitutional Rights it is a false premise, anything that follows along those lines of thought are false as well.... no matter how anyone wants to twist and turn and deceive with what follows. All the lies and deceit are for one purpose..... to remove your rights, entrench and fortify their control and power.
Honestly...... 2020 has literally given them a map and playbook of how to do just that. And have proven to many just how easily the people will stand down, fall in line and hand over their rights..... and justify it all to themselves and those around them.....
Too many people forget that *everybody* has rights. What many (most) do NOT have is a *proper* government, one *constituted* to *protect* those rights, and limited to doing so. We in the US have/had one, but some people want to give that government more power to make themselves feel safer. And that can (has) spiral out of control.
(And that does _not_ apply solely to 'gun control'.)
It’s been mentioned that a fight wouldn’t last 10 seconds or 10 minutes once a flash grenade and tear gas was deployed. Now that I’ve had time to think about that, that is exactly what is wrong with attacks on the constitution and more specifically the second amendment. That mere statement can be read several ways. What is alarming about that statement is that it could suggest that someone like say the ATF could show up at your doorstep in force demanding you hand them over. If you don’t? Flash, bang and your rights and possibly your life is over.
"Honestly...... 2020 has literally given them a map and playbook of how to do just that. And have proven to many just how easily the people will stand down, fall in line and hand over their rights..... and justify it all to themselves and those around them....."
" because there are millions like him out there who are painfully clueless, yet get to vote." This is what really scares me about the current state of our nation!
Rsquared - research some terminology if you're interested. The legal definition of Assault Weapon is a good start. Also learn how guns function.
Once you know some basics you can see that any politician or media source that says we need to ban assault weapons is bold face lying to you and using made up words to strike fear and manipulate you. An AR functions just like any other semi-auto. They claim it's something it's not based on how it looks (black and scary) instead of it's actions. Wonder how that would go for them if they did the same thing with people?
One more thing; we are all innocent until proven guilty. This is a huge concept in our guarantee of freedoms. It is a wrong to assume I'm capable of murder because of something I've purchased. Owning something does not make someone immoral or corrupt, or worthy of discrimination against.
I don't know you, you plead ignorance (which is valid). But surely innocence until guilty, the right to personal defense, and freedom are principles you can place enough importance on to do some research. Good luck to ya.
" I don't understand why civilians need weapons of war ""
All US soldiers were once civilians. Most all US soldiers are Patriots. Most all US civilians who support 2A are Patriots. Patriots defend our Nation, the US. Therefore, I deduce Patriots need weapons of war to defend our Nation, the US. Some of us are unable to join the US military as soldiers. But most all of us who are US Patriots are able to defend our nation, the US, by pulling a trigger. BE THAT PATRIOT. And defend your 2A RIGHTS as a US citizen or soldier. Nuff said.
Funny, I had a thug at a strip mall pull out a knife on me while the peaceful riots were taking place across the country and the talk of defunding the police was/is rampant. Guess what? Defund the police and I’m now supposed to protect my family and myself?
My .45 came out quickly and the unsuspecting thug quickly left the scene after I told him if he comes within 10 feet I’m shooting. His partner left as soon as he saw the .45. Obviously I didn’t have to tell him......so to answer WW, no harsh words are not going to deter thugs and tyrants...... A guy a was talking to earlier said it best. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Then you are left with only the harsh words WW mentioned
Honestly, I don't think I'd trust that lauren boebert with a tooth pick with the way she comes across on tv. I guess as a little girl she learned to just get loud and nasty you will get your way..but unfortenetly after u get to about 10 years old life don't work that way. people like that are gonna do more damage then good, just my opinion
Divide and conquer. Just as small groups of hunters that hunt mtn. lion, or coyotes, etc. are getting attacked from the anti crowd, the anti-gun crowd is doing the same. Attacking the AR owners when in fact handguns are used way more often to commit crime then AR's are, BUT since a much larger percentage of US house holds have handguns, the anti-gun crowd wants to attack the smaller populace of AR owners. Chipping away at the block a little at a time.
I love Boebert because she doesn't take any crap from the lying, dishonest Dems who claim to want "unity" while ramming their super-left agenda up our butts. We need about 220 more like her.
"Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning."
It is called illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Both voting and baring arms are constitutional rights but many are only up in arms by the infringement on one of these.
"I guess as a little girl she learned to just get loud and nasty you will get your way..but unfortenetly after u get to about 10 years old life don't work that way."
I dunno........seems to have worked pretty good for the liberals over the last 15 or 20 years.
I’m just curious. Since the Leftists are all about “Defunding the Police”, just who the heck is going to confiscate and battle uncooperative gun owners?
And... riots, looting and arson... excuse me, Mostly Peaceful Protests, occurred for months without sociopathic police departments or federal agents violently suppressing them... but if gun owners refuse to comply and say, “Leave me alone.”... then SWAT teams (Wait a minute, they’re defunded) or the US Military (Forget Posse Comitatus) is going to attack with tanks, helicopters, stealth fighters and tactical nukes?
What percentage of cops and armed service members do the Leftists believe will be compliant in waging war with US citizens? Do they really believe that Skippy and Tiffany from ANTIFA are going to swell the ranks?
Skippy and Tiffany are good for flinging poo, graffiti, and hitting unarmed people with bike locks, but they don’t seem to stand fast in the face of determined opposition.
I suspect that the Dems and their Marxist dreamers will push as far as they can. I suspect that they will obtain some of their “wish list” goals. Short term.
But remember the old adage. “Be careful what you wish for”
I think that they will be surprised by the push back they awaken when they go too far.
And I’m not even talking about crazy stuff. Normal, regular, conservative-leaning people I know, who’ve never been interested in being politically active other than voting are talking about driving people to polls and volunteering for campaign work, poll watching etc.
The Leftist crowd thinks that they’re the real deal because they make the most noise and more Conservative and Libertarian leaning people want to be left alone and have been more complacent, but they are awakening the ire of regular, hard working people.
Mark...... you forget when talking to leftists...... they literally have zero sense of either sarcasm or humor and it's funny as heck watching them digest a meme....... after a few minutes study making faces, they will finally blurt out "Hey, that's not real!". A wonder they ever find their way out of their parents basement......
. Look at the CA women wrestled to the floor of a bank by cops, for not complying with mask mandates and refusing to leave. So what do you think will happen to gun owners ? Those who believe the cops will not do as their political masters order, are mistaken. As for the military, history shows, most will follow orders as they are indoctrinated to do. Those who will not obey, are being purged as we speak.
You bet they are, and add to that the new Secretary Of Defense Lloyd Austin's extreme leftist views and they won't have much of a problem shooting Americans they don't agree with politically.
"Don't need weapons of war...." LIKE HELL WE DON"T!!!!
This does seem to be working... The squeaky wheel got the grease. The Republican silent majority let it slip through their fingers and now we are ALL paying.
"Wow, "God given rights" and ban democrats from voting. You all are off your meds this morning." True...That's not the answer. We don't need to ban them from voting, we just need to out-number them.
Just remember there are plenty of God fearin', small government, pro life, gun totin', low taxin' conservative bowsiter's who vote Democrat because the "Republican party is not what it used to be."
Stix: Quite the opposite. Anybody can look up the drone footage and see Lavoy and everyone in that truck were ambushed while driving around that curve. Cell phone video from inside the vehicle recorded both flash bangs and live rounds hitting the truck well before Lavoy exited to keep others from being shot. Drone footage also showed ATF agents picking up their spent brass immediately after the shooting, most likely in an effort to destroy evidence. Like what they did or not, they stood down the gov't and got away with it, albeit a great financial and personal loss to their families. Guys with that kind of backbone are practically nonexistent any more.
Orion- thanks for thinking of me. Unlike many here on the right, I don’t defend or agree with everything a candidate I voted for does or does not do. Overzealous gun control is not the answer. I also don’t go Karen on every price of legislation that may or may not be enacted into law that likely would be shot down by SCOTUS.
I’m still happy with my vote against Trump. Many reasons why but considering January 6th I don’t feel I need to justify my vote to any Trumplican or any traitors that participate in the insurrection.
I hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship.
I also don’t let imposters like “Tank” (aka HedgeHunter/HH/Shawn Magyar) spin me up with idiocy. Lastly, he is self admittedly one of the traitors at the Capitol insurrection. He might just lose his gun rights after he is a convicted felon so his point about the 2A is moot.
ksflattire to the rescue ....problem is, biden needs more than a can of fix-o-flat, the whole dim-dem party is propped up by this old pasty frail white racist...coulda had beto or another loser, you must feel honored to have gotten the golden oldie, good grief
So you think Biden is doing a good job? You agree with everything going on with the southern border? How about those gas prices? What has he done that is so great?
As a leader...yes. Finally a president’s speech or press conference that’s positive.
“You agree with everything going on with the southern border?”
No, I do not agree with everything. Obviously Biden’s election and message is only increasing people trying to cross the border. I do not agree that illegals wait in the U.S. for trial but rather should remain in Mexico....for example.
“How about those gas prices?”
Seriously, I thought gas was a supply and demand commodity. How much affect does a president really have on gas prices.
“What has he done that is so great?”
He got rid many of the unqualified crony idiots in Trumps cabinet. He reversed many of Trumps environmental deregulation policies I disagreed with.
Do you own every decision, policy, and action of Trump and his supporters that are radical? Do you support the January 6th insurrection? Proud boys, Oath Keepers, white nationalist...do you answer for their actions? Do you support the highest national deficit of any president in history (of which Trump has the record)?
Gun sales go up every election cycle. Seems like it’s almost by design. January 6th shows you where this country is headed. You should know as you were there...Shawn Magyar.
Guns are going nowhere. The 2A ain’t changing and then there is SCOTUS. Every amendment has limits. I support the 2A but it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments..
Orion- still waiting on your reply. Do you and all other right wingers own January 6th?
Thornton- you don’t need me or anyone else to make you look bad. You do a bang up job yourself, Seriously, taking vet meds...
As long as there is a quantifier you don't support the 2A. At least no in the manner the FF intended. We know it. You know it. We know that you know it. You just won't admit it.
"....it doesn’t transcend all other rights and amendments."
No, but it IS the lynchpin around which the others revolve. The FF fully understood what a malevolent and tyrannical government was. I think they also understood that it's the natural evolution of government to move towards oppression and less, not more liberty. But there are always those that are willing to roll over, piss themselves like little puppies to appease their master, petted on the head and told "good boy."
Have you ever noticed that all the people that voted for babbling Joe and heels up Harris come on these public forums and talk about what a good job they’re doing? No.... me neither!
"Hunters" voting for and vehemently defending the party to that would love nothing more than to disarm us all and then go after our other rights on a hunting site. Twilight Zone stuff.
At least it makes it easy to spot the sheep in wolf's clothing.
Have you ever noticed that all the people that voted for babbling Joe and heels up Harris come on these public forums and talk about what a good job they’re doing? No.... me neither!
Just like guns kill people..... I guess those anti 2nd amendment bills jump out there on the desk and write themselves.......
"Hey, l know you just swung that bat at my head, but I ducked it..... no harm, not a problem, I know in your heart you were only swinging it at me for my own good....."
good grief.... stupid can be dealt with by a bit of knowledge, common sense and honesty ..... disingenuous OTOH....
“The right of the people, to keep and bare arms, shall not be infringed”
There are no exceptions to this. Whether we are talking a Musket, a shotgun, a .45 or an AR. First comes registration, then comes confiscation. Just ask anyone in Australia, or Canada, or New Zealand.....
So true. Biden’s strong point was going to be his foreign affairs expertise Right. North Korea won’t talk to him, He insulted Russia right from the first, China is laughing their ass off at America and using the Woke BLM culture against us and we obviously no longer have a southern border and Biden has no clue on ANY of it. BUT there are no mean butt hurting Tweets anymore Great choice BS Libs.
I agree! One caveat, I hope the new batch of conservatives/Republicans (not sure they are the same any more) learn from history that it is better to speak softly and carry a big stick than to shout constantly and lose an election.
“There are no exceptions to this. Whether we are talking a Musket, a shotgun, a .45 or an AR.”
Tell that a felon and I’m pretty sure they will explain that there is an exception. Or maybe ask someone under 18. Every single right granted by constitutional amendments have qualifiers, exceptions, or a “but” or whatever you want to call it. There are limits to all rights.
Jackaroo- Do you even know what insurrection means?
“Insurrection- a violent uprising against an authority or government.”
You know your logic is twisted when you try to excuse or justify someone beating a Capitol police officer with a Blue Lives Matter flag and pole. It’s also funny how “Radical Islamic Terrorist” roles off the tongue or Antifa Terrorists are called out (rightfully so) but right wing nuts squirm when the terrorists are domestic and voted for the same presidential candidate.
Frank: I think you mean , "...shout constantly and have an election STOLEN from them."
Still can't smell the dog poop on your shoes yet huh? Or maybe you just won't because it's easier to pretend it's not there then to have to deal with it.
KS, kind of like the antifa uprising in the northwest where they burned Federal courthouses and police stations? Not to mention stores, busniesses and other private property.
Lou, the election wasn’t stolen, and he would get even less votes today. I am not the one who can’t face reality Lou, the fact is you cannot accept the majority does not think like you.
Take the same platform minus the constant drama and conservatives will kick booty in ‘22 and ‘24, especially given what this team has been serving up. And you know how accurate my predictions have been.
"hope the traitors get what’s coming to them. They should be charged with treason and stripped of their rights and citizenship." You mean the anarchists that tried to burn down/ blow up the courthouse in Portland with all the true patriots inside? The rebels that took over the city blocks in Seattle for weeks and burned down the police precincts? And all the others who committed violent acts over most of '20, (not just the couple days at the capitol) that destroyed honest hardworking peoples businesses, livelihoods, property, police protections, and actual human families and their loved ones? Those insurrectionists? KS, you really outdid yourself with that declaration. And the supply demand for fuel example....You obviously flunked HS econ. Or just can't understand that shutting down a major oil pipeline reduces Supply.. wow! You have stomped what zero credibility you already had even further into the ground. hahahaha
Trapper- I agree that left wing extremists in Portland deserve the same. I think it’s you that need some economics classes. The biggest reason for the current increase in fuel was low demand during the pandemic and the now increasing demand of an economy recovering. That’s coming from commodity economists. But hey...what are facts and the truth worth to some of you living in your BS bubble.
Another big lie from the Leftist in the group. Trump’s economy was strong and we had low gas prices, but then liars lie and Biden the Liar in Chief (who was a plagiarist, AKA liar) is the exact kind of person they respect.
Here are some facts the fools refuse to admit.
Trump created the best overall economy in more than 50 years:
Employment: PBS News Hour confirmed that this is the best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, more jobs and rising wages.
GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.
Wages: The Washington Post even surrenders to the fact that Trump is the first president to improve wages in a generation where income is at an all-time high. Stock Market: CNN says the stock market has roared more than 40% since Trump’s election.
Gas and Fuel Prices: Gas prices are low in most U.S. states that don't over-tax fuel with local and state taxes. Many states have $2.15 per gallon gasoline right now. Gas prices may fall this summer according to the latest news.
Ethnic Employment Success: The employment success for all ethnicities is at record high. Obama had difficulty creating jobs and many people gave up looking for work.
Manufacturing Jobs: Manufacturing jobs are back in the U.S. for the first time in a generation. Trump created 284,000 manufacturing jobs in 2018. Forbes implied that millions of manufacturing jobs were lost during Obama’s first 2 years in office. Some 1 in 6 were lost between January 2008 and March 2010 and Obama never got those jobs back.
Taxes and Regulatory: Corporate taxes were cut from 35% to 21%. America moved from worst tax system up to one of the most competitive in the world under Trump’s first 2 years in office. Lower tax rates allow U.S. companies to spend more money, buy more assets, pay more employee benefits, buy stock back to put money on Main Street and into state coffers, and even help pay better dividends to seniors who live paycheck to paycheck.
Nasdaq: The Nasdaq stock market value finally exceeded the 1999 prices under Trump. This implies that companies were stagnant for 18 years until Trump took office. Level the Playing Field: With a mixed bag of tax-code improvements, removal of red tape, new trade agreements, and competitive tariffs, the U.S. economy is more insulated from failure. Even the Federal Reserve is willing to lower rates if other countries harm the U.S. trading environment.
Your in a bubble if you don't think cancelling the keystone peipeline, stopping on shore and offshore permits, and making us rely on foreign oil more has nothing to do with the increase. When Dems are in office and do these policy it slows down or completely halts lots of US production. This leads us to need more foreign oil the Saudis and everyone else see this and drive the price of crude up. Look back at 2016 through 19 when Trump was in office and people were traveling and driving everywhere gas was nowhere near three dollars a gallon. Your supply and demand illusion is b.s. I've been in the industry for twenty years and you can always tell what is going to happen when Dems take charge. It's hard to push the green new deal and electric vehicles when gas is two dollars a gallon.
Biden doesn't build nor (technically) sell firearms either, just as he doesn't buy nor sell oil (he leaves that to his brother and Hunter....) but you'd have to be knowingly lying to say he has no direct effect on either market with a flood of exec orders that will directly effect supply (how many we up to now? he's setting records on a daily basis... but Trump was a fascist dictator.... go figure) as well as statements of support for Anti 2A legislation causing incredible demand as well as prices to spike upwards.
Kinda like telling folks when he gets elected he's opening the borders, but then saying that has no effect on the flood of "immigrants" that is such a mess right now they are denying reporters access to it. But he really has no effect and it's all Trumps fault. Guess Trump was stockpiling em at the border waiting to unleash them on Biden.....
Only way a person can be a leftist and push this crap is to take your sense of reality, or even any common sense at all and check it at the door...... the only other explanation is, well.... bless your lil heart.....
Well, unfortunately some ass-wipe in Boulder just gave the socialist more incentive to push more gun laws. If I hear the term "gun violence" one more time, I'm going to throw something thru the TV.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the 10 victims and courageous LEO who lost his life in this tragic event.
Rupe- you are either illiterate or a liar. Your chart shows “Change in GDP” not actual Annual GDP.
You said, “ GDP: Trump is the first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth.”
This statement is blatantly FALSE. Funny your response is basically “forget about the false stuff but what about the other stuff.” Maybe if you would read and watch something besides right wing propaganda you would know that.
Seriously, anyone can just google GDP by year. Easy to find the truth. Try it.
Gas prices have been going up since May (before the election). OPEC has agreed to stabilize production even though demand is going up worldwide. Hmmm...
I believe that bow hunting will be banned before gun hunting. England is an example. The idea of an instant kill with a bullet trumps an animal running away spewing blood. At least to the ignorant.
Did you see Sydney Powell's defense strategy for the lawsuits against her?
"Her legal team claims that “reasonable people” would not take her claims about widespread election fraud as fact."
LMAO...you have been classified as not reasonable now, as well as all other other fringe members I guess. Share this you know where, LOL!
We better hope we get some straight shooters to run against this madness or we will hand the Progressives another 4 years of insanity.
Regarding this topic specifically, recognize the folks the government really needs to worry about are the ones who are not typing out false bravado on the internet. The tougher a person talks publicly the more the reality is they are just the opposite. Ruby Ridge, Waco, January 6th etc... Same guys, same talk! I have concluded they either work for the government trying to expose the nut jobs they need to watch, or are insecure unaccomplished souls trying to stroke their own egos.
"I believe that bow hunting will be banned before gun hunting. England is an example. The idea of an instant kill with a bullet trumps an animal running away spewing blood. At least to the ignorant."
I don't see that happening. That action would be an implied indictment against the Native American way of life and simultaneously imply that white man's approach was superior.
Frank: If you want to buy their b*** ***t then go right ahead. I don't. But we've been down this road before. Time will tell, and when people like you finally see the truth for what it is, it'll be too late.
Boulder shooter looks to be no fan of Trump and likely not motivated by radical Mennonite views. The root to these incidents is evil and mental illness.
I'm so sick of hearing "common sense" gun laws. No room for common sense in the Constitution, it's written very clearly. How about we take the word "gun" out of the statement and replace it with abortion, food, religion, exercise, race, gender, education, speech, etc. Common sense is opinion at best, certainly not something that should hold up to legal scrutiny. Anyone taking this approach is lying to you for lack of real substance. Making up terms and catch phrases is a simple diversion tactic for people who they want to manipulate, but don't have a valid argument to persuade with.
WW, get real, when the people who started the lies about a false election distance themselves from it, that is the truth. I have already seen it, you need to open your eyes.
It will continue to be a great country in spite of grumpy old men telling us otherwise. Hey, didn't I read you are getting your covid shot? Weren't you one of those who said this was all a conspiracy to get rid of trump? Hmmm!
Just an observation of mine. I have noticed that when there is shooting in this country and the individual(s) being shot are a minority the left wing media labels it a hate crime and racism must be addressed in this country. When there is a shooting in this country and the individual(s) being shot are Caucasian the left wing media labels it a mass shooting and gun control must be addressed. What really needs to be addressed is the mental illness of the shooter.
So-called "assault weapons" are already illegal to possess in Boulder.
Waiting for this to be labeled a racially/politically motivated hate crime by the media, since this individual was allegedly a Middle Eastern-born Muslim who hated Trump, and killed a bunch of white people. Have a feeling we'll be waiting a long time for that..
Flathead you’re dumber than I even thought. You’re just the kind of supporter the Left depends on. To rail at Trump and then vote for a known plagiarizing sex offender is right up your alley
The internet is crawling with articles that the Colorado shooter used an "assault weapon", but I can't seem to find info on what gun was used. Does anyone know or have a link?
My guess is that it wasn't an assault weapon but the media is selling it as such. Politicians are wasting no time in taking advantage of this tragedy to push their agenda. Too bad they will villainize the gun, but not the man who CHOSE to kill people. Seems completely ass backwards to me.
Everything is an "Assault Weapon" if it's used to assault someone. The use of the term "Assault Weapon" is just another ploy the left uses to pull the wool over the eyes of the uneducated, voting masses in their never ending effort to disarm all of us.
I wonder if a common Chef's Knife in England becomes classified as an "Assault Knife" after it's used to stab someone?
They stated on the news today the shooter had mental illness and was on the FBI radar. My question is why wasn't information on his background check when he purchased the weapon. IMO this is the problem with the system they should have denied him the opportunity to purchase a firearm. They stated he purchased it online.
All semi automatic weapons have the same firing capacity, pull the trigger once and it fires once. One shot per pull. It fires as fast or as slow as you pull the trigger. It does not matter what it looks like, black, brown, plastic, composite, wood, handle., pistol grip, ventilation, scope, etc., the action is the same. So, an 'assault weapon' to gun control advocates, means YOUR semi-automatic hunting weapon. Biden wants to ban them. And so do all the gun control freaks. Not just black guns that look like 'weapons or war'. Your hunting semi... ALL of them. KSbubbleboy, you really don't get it. "I think it’s you that need some economics classes. The biggest reason for the current increase in fuel was low demand during the pandemic and the now increasing demand of an economy recovering." Price based on supply, and it was low prices, high supply during the last 4 years. Now the morons in the majority are reducing supply. Price goes up. Demand goes up, cost should go down since they sell more. Its a false price hike now because this butt head admin. wants YOUR money to pay for its 2 TRILLION LEFT PORK SPENDING FOR FREEBIES FOR ILLEGALS, AND ALL THE OTHER BS THEY 'NEED' YOUR MONEY FOR. Wake up. And you don't need the last word here, because you are (as you love to say), FLAT OUT WRONG.
His family knew he was a nutjob with anger issues. They knew he had the 556, and his brother said he was "playing with it" during the days before. Seems like his family was sorta scared of him. Or at least "hoped" he wouldn't do anything bad. I hate the Red Flag law, and this is a perfect example of how laws like that don't work if nobody reports him. Because if they do and LEO looks the other way or he gets the gun back, which he could legally own, he might kill whoever reported him.
Mental health issues don't show up on background checks. The left wants them kept private. The right doesn't want anyone who has ever sought counseling for any little thing, ever in their lives, to he barred from lawful gun ownership. So where should the line be drawn. IDK.
So-called "Assault weapons" were banned since 2018, until a week ago when a Federal judge ruled against it. So the MSM is framing it as, "Days after the assault weapons ban was lifted..." ( WAPO headline) as if this POS cared about the ban and was just waiting for it to be rescinded to carry out his plan.
"Mental health issues don't show up on background checks. The left wants them kept private. The right doesn't want anyone who has ever sought counseling for any little thing, ever in their lives, to he barred from lawful gun ownership. So where should the line be drawn. IDK."
Lou, thanks for your courage to post this, as this point is really what needs to be discussed as a nation. The general public in pursuit of our God given right to life and liberty should expect to be able to do that free from those who are either evil or unfortunately mentally unstable.
What rights can other members of society take away from individuals thought to be harmful to others or themselves? Their freedom? Their right to own firearms? I am with you in that I lack the wisdom to answer these questions, but both sides know legitimate concerns exist and refuse to compromise.
Certainly others will find fault with my position that ownership within your own abode and on your own property ought to be an absolute right that proof of mental defect or intent for harm of others would need to be near absolute and irrefutable to strip you of this right, and no I cannot define "absolute proof" that would be acceptable to all.
OTH, when carrying outside of one's home and property, I can accept and desire proof of competence on par with what is required for driving an automobile in most states as well as insurance and possibly other potentially protective measures. These would not include Red Flag Laws as written today, but with irrefutable evidence of a potential violent occurrence, let's say 72 hour, emergency orders can be executed to control an individual's access to deadly instruments of all types, but unless supported with absolute proof, the orders would cease after the time period of X, in this example 72 hours.
No solution is perfect to me, including the one advocated by most on the right that the government has no right whatsoever to restrict ownership. When individual rights interfere with the rights of others, who should reign supreme? IDK!
I’ve always had a heck of a time purchasing guns. There is someone with my same name and birthdate who has a history. I have no criminal record. Every time I’ve gone to purchase a gun it’s taken a long time because I get denied and then have to prove I’m not the bad guy.
With that said. Evil people are the problem. It’s not guns. You could ban all the guns you want and evil people would still find them. Just like drugs.
Look at Mexico. It has very strict gun laws. But has the most murders by guns than anywhere
Unfortunately, a subjective judgement on mental health isn't a reasonable solution.
People are losing jobs just for attending Trumps speech (not going to the Capital). I cant trust authorities to make competent decisions on what constitutes a mental state that isn't acceptable.
Members of Congress are accusing fellow members of the Legislature of trying to get them killed.
Removing rights before someone infringes on others rights is a dangerous path.
I agree mostly, but that is the logic that is costing lives IMHO. How many of these evil and or sick humans had a published history of threats of violence? Many of them we hear after the fact.
One cannot yell “fire” in a theater, one ought not be able to threaten repeatedly before surrendering some of their rights temporarily, again, IMHO.
You actually can yell "fire" in a crowded theatre. Not condoning it. The case that anology was used in was overturned decades ago.
Obviously mental health issues are a driving force in crime and violence regardless of whether a firearm is involved. It is a risk to allow people their rights until they misuse them. It's also a risk removing rights from people before they misuse them.
You understand it is also a risk not suspending rights of people with a strong desire and propensity to do harm? It seems we conservatives never want to look at that side of the coin.
The position of doing nothing until after the fact for me is indefensible morally, ethically and from a common sense perspective as well.
If we focused on behaviors, it takes the focus off guns. Literally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by our unwillingness that one can lose rights by acting irresponsibly.
Glunt nailed it. You want to trust some gov. official with a skirt over their head or a stick insertion making it hard for them to walk, give them authority over your rights.... I'm sure they have a line for you right over there. I'm not getting in anybodies line.
All it takes is one person on a roll and you're rights are toast. Or a vindictive nutjob girlfriend (nawww, never happen....) azzhat neighbor, angry coworker, the list is endless. Just look what some do when on mask patrol. You want those nuts in charge of your rights? Knock yourself out. I'd rather tell em to go pound sand. I've done NOTHING wrong. Leave me alone.
If anything this covid mess has shown..... there are an abundance of people that want "authority" over everyone and plenty of others overflowing with "compliance".
Decisions made from fear alone are often very poor ones. Only slightly better than those made for authority and power. They often have a symbiotic relationship.
People have dealt with crazy actions and mindsets, of other people, since the forbidden fruit was eaten. The difference is now, government has assumed that responsibility. For a while now.
It’s impossible to micro manage society when your too big to even realize that entity even exists. So, the only recourse is too keep common folk from dealing with it themselves. You know, in the name of culture and the evolution of the complex human psychology.
Give ME a break. It’s always happened and it always will. We can choose to try and legislate it from doing so. Or, we can understand that having freedoms comes with responsibilities.
I’m willing to sacrifice someone else’s fear instead of the freedoms that come with being an American. In all instances. From masks to gun ownership. Fear is a great motivator though. So, I can see why naive people go to the extreme lengths they do.
"If we focused on behaviors, it takes the focus off guns. Literally, we are shooting ourselves in the foot by our unwillingness that one can lose rights by acting irresponsibly."
Oddly, I agree but we obviously aren't on the same page.
"Behaviour" is everything and I absolutely agree that when you misuse your rights by behaving badly, that is when infringing on rights can be considered.
I simply don't trust the government to be the arbitor of what crosses that line prior to something criminal or a serious and specific threat of violence.
Glunt, unlike others you are reasonable. At least a discussion can begin, and that occurs where there is a point of agreement.
If not the government as arbiter, who then? If the government, what are the acceptable checks and balances required?
Something in society has changed and probably there is no easy, quick solution. If we accept that, then a moral society is morally obligated to take reasonable steps to protect human lives and prevent carnage. I would argue we are as much morally obligated to take action here as we are to protect the unborn.
There is an inconsistency IMHO, conservatives argue that unborn lives are sacred enough to strip women of the ability (I didn’t say right) to control their own bodies but not sacred enough to strip the evil and insane from the right to guns. I am not buying it and neither do the majority I bet in the foreseeable future. For me, we have been brainwashed for so long to not give an inch, we now lack moral clarity and are incapable of doing what is right.
And Glunt, maybe an attorney like Bake will weigh in but yelling fire is not always protected free speech, i.e. causing a panic. Trump’s words are actually being looked at as the possible cause of “activities” on January 6th. Notice, I did not say insurrection...trying to have an adult discussion here;-)
Keith - "How many "mass murders" have been committed in the 4 years of the previous administration vs. the 2 months in the current? "
During the Trump Administration - In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida. In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas. In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California. In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas.
So far under the Biden administration - 8 people were killed in Atlanta, GA 10 people were killed in Boulder, CO.
IMO....the media plays a very large role in the cultural climate via what they report (or won't report) as news. A small example.....this morning I was watching the local NBC news outlet in Orlando reporting on the Boulder shooting. They showed pics of the perp, where he was from, yet would not report his name.
Now.....why did they not report his name when they reported most everything else about him? Call me suspicious of this Orlando NBC media outlet. If the perp was a white guy named Joe Smith...would they have reported it? IMO...that outlet should be challenged and asked why they would not report the perps name when they reported everything else about him...including his pics? They can't use the excuse they did not want to give him or his misdeeds media exposure.
Trumps Jan 6th speech and trying to tie it to causing people to enter the Capitol and break stuff is an example. I have read the whole thing. It's no stronger political rhetoric than what both sides throw around all the time. Should Trump be banned from owning firearms? Should Trump supporters be banned from owning firearms?
No doubt we have powerful people currently making policy and law who would answer "yes".
The long-term threat that poses is larger than the immediate threat posed by the next wack job who is flying under the radar in my opinion.
"Keith - "How many "mass murders" have been committed in the 4 years of the previous administration vs. the 2 months in the current? " During the Trump Administration - In November 2017, 26 people were killed at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. In February 2018, 17 people were killed at a high school in Parkland, Florida. In May 2018, 10 people were killed at a high school in Santa Fe, Texas. In October 2018, 11 people were killed at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In November 2018, 12 people were killed at a restaurant in Thousand Oaks, California. In May 2019, 12 people were shot and killed at an office building in Virginia Beach, Virginia. In August 2019, 22 people were killed at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas"
You forgot about the 774 reported homicides in Chicago (just in 2020).
Oh, my bad...that would be discussing the REAL problem! Let's just discuss what swirls around in the MSM. Fearmongering media is the driving force behind this entire "debate". In medicine...we "triage", in an effort to isolate the most severe problem first.
If the shooter is white the media narrative is racism and gun control, no matter what the facts are. If the shooter is not white the narrative is mental health and gun control. Perhaps we should have a "national conversation" concerning muslim violence against white people......crickets.
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'Mass' murders are aberrations. A more meaningful discussion would be, how many lives do guns 'take' illegally vs 'save' legally?
And then we might discuss things like, what is the best choice for personal and home defense? But as long as the aberrant behavior of a few crazies dominates the 'discussion', it's hard to have one.
Phil, your comparison is not legit yet. You covered 3.5 yrs of,Trump Admin. vs 2 mos,of Biden Admin. On Nov,17, 2024, we can compare apples to apples...
A shooting like this happens and it is a national tragedy, sensationalized by the MSM and prompting calls for more laws that won't be enforced, but will make more law abiding citizens into criminals. Meanwhile, more than 116 people have been murdered in Chicago so far this year, we havent hit peak "hunting season" yet, and it barely warrants a footnote in the news.
Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?
I don't blame Biden, or Trump, or video games, or Covid, or guns, or racism for people randomly killing others. I blame the person who does it or makes someone do it.
This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”
And Chicago has likely the most strict and onerous firearms laws in the entire country. That is YUGE.
Let those who would welcome MORE laws ponder that for a second. Murder is already illegal. Pre-charging honest law abiding citizens, the good guys, with murder will do nothing to stop a murderer. Which is what removing 2A rights, Constitutional Rights.... essentially does. Assumes law abiding honest people will commit crimes with their legal weapons.
If they can remove 2A rights there are NO rights your government CANNOT take away. Then Americans literally have NO rights. The government has overthrown it's people.
According to the above statistics 9 mass shootings in the last 4 years and 2 months.
Mass shootings are bad
By all accounts in all most of these shootings, everyone around the shooter knew they were nuts. Usually the FBI and local Police already know they are nuts.
Trying to take away everyone else’s rights to stop 9 nut jobs doesn’t make sense. Take every gun in the country away. Those 9 shooters are still nuts, and will just do their crazy deeds a different weapon.
I see a member above basically supporting thought police.
Give any government the power to be the thought police, and and take away your constitutional rights based off what some government official “thinks” you might do will not be a better outcome. More lives will be negatively effected if that was in effect, then how our laws are currently structured
it doesn't matter who in office and I don't have an answer how to stop mass killings. I understand how both sides feel about weapons of certain kinds. How can we know if someone is mentally sick at the time of purchasing a weapon and later use it on his own fellow community. its just sad
Also, the Clinton ban was proven to have had ZERO effect on crimes and ZERO effect on "assault weapons" being used in crimes. It is why it was allowed to lapse.... even the crazies couldn't defend it, it was their own study that proved it. Also YUGE.
Those are proven facts and logic. Things one can have a "reasonable" discussion with. Cannot have a reasonable discussion with predetermined agendas that ignore base premise such as Constitutional Rights, mind readers or wadded panties.
All rights have limits, I cannot have an armed F-18 or nuke. Once we are mature enough to admit that we can have a reasonable discussion of rights and responsibilities.
Behavior that threatens such that a reasonable person would fear violence causing a temporary suspension of gun rights is not a government power grab but a relinquishment of rights caused by the behavior of the individual. Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently.
Most states have a 72 hour mental health hold process in place and a requirement for a hearing after that. As long as its not abused, thats reasonable to me.
As Rick stated freedom is costly. To me, the cost of losing freedom is higher. The more we make guns the issue the more we detract from the real causes of people doing bad things to others.
“Most states have a 72 hour mental health hold process in place and a requirement for a hearing after that. As long as its not abused, thats reasonable to me.”
I rode my bike to school with my cased Winchester 1400 20g across the handle bars a couple times. The teacher would put it in the classroom closet and I would retrieve after school and hunt with my buddy who lived close the school. After work my dad would swing by and pick me up. Barely raised an eyebrow. That was in Timnath, CO. (45 miles from Boulder).
"Government’s role in providing safety has been generally accepted until very recently. "
And who provides safety from the government? You would have us rely on the government to protect us from the government? That is precisely why the Constitution was written as it was. It's precisely why they are called Rights and the government is specifically barred from infringing on them.
When we can have rational discussions is when we can talk to rational people.... you know, sane people with a thimble full of sense who don't think a pistol grip on a rifle makes it more dangerous to own. Who don't think you can order a gun online and have it delivered to your door. Or that voting for Trump does not mean you are a domestic terrorist. You know, THOSE rational people.... not whack jobs who's logic entails defunding police to eliminate crime or that pulling a weapon on police is not cause to be shot by police....
Hard leftists only real fear of guns is that those who own guns might tell them to go away when the Karens come demanding you do something. Or when they come to threaten your family and to burn down your home or business they will have no safe recourse but to leave you alone. What they really fear most is having to leave you alone......
They certainly don't seem to have such "safety" concerns when it's a neighborhood they WANT to leave alone...
unfortunately the appearance of many modern guns may be their undoing in the country. another place where people in power may not let facts get in the way of a good story. scary times
Explain how an individual relieved temporarily of their rights due to threats taken seriously interferes with the rights of others? Their threats may actually impede the rights of all others to pursue life.
Jaq, we always here the stories of the way things were. But they are not that way today for whatever the reasons. We can’t be paralyzed from our past in taking reasonable steps to protect life.
Does anyone know if knowingly voting for or promoting an unconstitutional law is an impeachable offence? If so there should be a lot of impeachments coming up.
It would be if we still had a rule of law and honest people running our government. We don't anymore. We even have 2 Democrat Senator's who are admitted racists who have stated that they will use skin color to NOT appoint people. Tammy Duckworth and Mazie Hirono. Welcome to Democrat Hell..........
"Democrat Senators Tammy Duckworth (IL) and Mazie Hirono (HI) said they will vote against all Biden nominees who are not “racial minorities, and that they will only vote for a white nominee if the nominee is LGBTQ."
The left is responsible for gun violence. They have removed God from everything they possibly can. There is no moral compass for the vast majority of people. They have replaced the father in homes with Uncle Sam as the provider and they do not allow us to institutionalize mentally ill people predisposed to violence. It is not a gun issue with people it is a brain or heart issue.
Because of a recent SC decision, my state has been releasing violent/non-violent criminals with pending court dates/trials. Thus, any trial must be in a federal court. Day before yesterday a county sheriff released two very violent ones; failing to release them to the US marshals. They have vanished but are considered armed and dangerous. Law here is becoming useless. Call 911 and any expected help is 30-40 min. away if at all. Petty thief is rampant. Government has been and is failing because of the Left. As a teacher in a liberal state; when I told a disruptive student to "git", they went. Today you would be videoed and arrested. Left that job 20 years ago but over that time have watched a nasty decline of the moral fiber of all aspects of society. Our police/courts either take back the rule of law or the country will decline past the point of any recovery. May be beyond that point already. Our police officers must be supported far more than they are!! Liberal judges?!?! Catch and release in New York; and all over the country? Failure of the FBI...CO shooting...Maybe that horrific event could have stopped if an armed private citizen were present and knew how to use their weapon. I, for one, want to return to a country where law would be fair and equal; the core family present for their children, and schools just teach; not preach.
Cancel culture runs rampant thru our country causing countless numbers to lose their livelihood while conservatives here want to defend one’s right to preach violence. Yes, I guess that makes sense if you are a member of some right wing militia radical group. For me, if you want to have people behave like they did in the yesteryear you dream about, start holding them accountable for words and actions a civil society deems potentially violent. You have the right to preach whatever you want, but if you threaten to do harm to others you lack the responsibility that is attached to certain rights and we will suspend you the ability to exercise those rights temporarily. And while you are all worried about the possibility of what the government might abuse, the reality is some sick and ill people are indiscriminately killing loved ones.
Either directly or indirectly, many mention what they see as a degradation in our values. And I am inclined to agree, but maybe for a different reason. I have long believed that we conservatives held the higher moral ground, but am not so sure any more.
As an example, if we can justify breaking rules in our dealings with a private entity, it does not take a giant leap to do so on civil matters. We have an individual here prone to dramatic attacks on others (super socialism) who has repeatedly flaunted the rules of this site with a multitude of false registrations. No doubt the justification of this behavior, and other behavior we have witnessed from so called conservatives as of late, is that the other side does worse. And they do, but let's be honest, when we finally support that two wrongs make a right, we are just as responsible for the divide in this country and the failure to hold ourselves to the standards our FF inspired us to.
Pro-life folks contend that a woman's right to engage in her vision of the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness is temporarily suspended upon the creation of life by her participation in the activity that led to her pregnancy. Society must protect the rights of the unborn against her rights.
I don't see any difference in temporarily suspending someone's rights to be in possession of dangerous instruments when they have also participated in an activity (threats) that run counter to the health of other members of society, by the same logic as above we must protect their lives as well.
In the last few years I have started to see the extreme right as an equal threat to this Great Experiment as the loony left. Too many times what I hear is some people wanting to dictate how we must live our lives, and sometimes I do not see that as in sync with the equity and fairness I believe our FF believed in.
Red Flag laws only work if someone is reported. In this case (Boulder) everyone who knew this guy knew he had a bad temper, assaulted people, had threatened to kill people, and everyone in his family knew he had the gun and was "playing with it" in the house where the whole family lived. Sounds like a classic case of "Oh, we knew he was a dangerous nutjob but hoped he wouldn't do anything bad. He really is a nice kid some of the time".
On a side note, it's very curious how he obtained this 556 a week earlier in a state where there are reportedly none for sale (legally) , then obtained .556 NATO ammo when virtually all ammo shelves are empty, especially .556 and .223.
Jaq.....IMO....the ammo supply maybe getting better based on some casual observations as I visit stores in my area for reloading stuff. Academy Sports had several cases of .223 for sale....as well as the local BPS. Seen one store in Deland, FL that had a long wall full of ammo and ammo cases. I've been able to get some primers for large pistols and magnum pistol. Speaking of our local BPS.....this is a tad off topic but it pisses me off. There is a group of 4-5 of the same people who show up to the BPS early in the morning, wait for it to open and then buy up all the 9mm, 40 and .380. They take it to a local flea market and scalp it. They do this everyday and take the ammo before other people can buy it. I hope these yaks get busted for commercial ammo selling without a license. The local BPS won't shut them down.
Those laws work after the fact, we need to do this before any shootings take place.
Lou,
The current Red Flag laws I have read are not something I can support. Too easy for an offended party to make a false claim. They have to have safe-guards, and then we need to educate people so they take reporting potential serious threats as serious we now take drunk driving. It will take time, this won't happen over night but we need to be part of the solution, not more resistance to possible effective preventative methods, IMHO.
" Too many times what I hear is some people wanting to dictate how we must live our lives, and sometimes I do not see that as in sync with the equity and fairness I believe our FF believed in. "
Are you paying any attention at all? Who again is it trying to dictate how someone lives their lives? Who is it saying "you must follow my rules!" along with "I'm going to change the rules you must follow!" and who is it saying "leave me the hell alone.... " Who currently HAS Constitutional Rights and who is it trying to take those away?
Good grief.... maybe some introspection is due as facts and reality seem to have left the building and replaced by cowering fear.....
And BTW..... the word is EQUALITY..... not EQUITY.... as the weaselwords are oozed into the vernacular. Equality as in created equal, equal rights under the law. Not equity, guaranteeing someone else gets to own what I have worked for and created without my permission.... Equity is an entirely different word than equality, And the wordsmith twisters know that. Gonna guess the choice to use it was no mistake.....
WRT the FF.... they took up arms against a tyrannical government, publicly pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to do so and did so in writing. You want to ponder what they would be telling people right now about a group trying to remove the rights they bled and died for?
Yes Tom, I have been paying attention, including on January 6th. As I said, both extreme sides ought to scare the hell out of us. You obviously belong to one of them.
Best preventive way to ensure mass shootings stop, is make armed individuals a part of everyday life. Visually.
Most of these shootings are happening in places where concealed or open carry is not allowed. Or, assumed to be prevalent.
The best way to beat evil is meet it head on with intent and purpose. It keeps the chicken Little’s at bay. Promised resistance that will result in dire consequences tends to make offenders pick easier targets too.
That won’t stop it all. But, it’d sure go a long way to prevent manifestations of psyco to ever get that far in.
Of course you’d have people killing others. Sometimes Unwarranted. Then we’d get to discuss the flaws in that approach too.
We are dealing with evil. It’s a matter of the heart for most of these shouters. Because every person alive is capable of evil deeds. And, when fed, it grows.
I stated there are already laws concerning if somebody makes a credible threat against another person.
You stated that is for after the fact. So are you saying you would like a law to convict somebody of a crime before they even say something?
Who would be in charge of the thought police that convict people for the crime of thinking something that might be threatening before they have even said it?
Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had firearms. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything
Have you seen or heard people supporting those people that broke into the capital? I have not seen or heard one single person on TV,radio,or in person that agreed with those idiots.
This... “Of course, the Boulder shooting is a tragedy. But why isn't the staggering murder rate in Chicago and other Dem cities given the same hysterical attention? Is it because 80% of the victims and perpetrators in Chicago are young Black males? Where are all the woke media celebrities and Dem politicians demanding that something be done?”
ksflat, ur sleuthiness is admirable, ol tank probably really nervous now that ur tailin him & stuff....
anyhow, the short sightedness of some here is astonishing, amazing even
common sense? hahahaha
at some point the continued erosion of rights must stop! sooooooo you 'cant' own a B2 or a loaded nuke silo, at what point are you 'comfortable ' with your allowance?
serious question
at what point will you disagree with common sense disarming and defenselessness?
and will mass murder (you know, the only crimes that are gun related that count in politics) also slow proportionately?
ks, you're a gun guy, what are you willing to be criminalized for?
so many smart people out there going for the "low hanging fruit", just baffling to watch
A credible threat against another person is not the same as someone posting intent to do non-specific or general violence. That is what I am referring to and as Jaq pointed out all too often the warnings go unheeded.
I read more than once that folks on Jan 6th had multiple weapons?
Justin,
We read about the heroes who are armed and respond, but there are more who are armed and will vacate first. Talking on a keyboard and performing when it actually occurs are two different things. Most of us will never know for sure what we would do. I pray I would do what is right and that Robin is no where near me if something ever occurred. My first inclination would be to get her to safety, which may be a poor decision for others that I would have to live with forever.
I’ll answer. I am comfortable with what I have, enough to protect my family and with coordination of others very likely to have a tyrannical authority think twice.
At what point will you be satisfied?
And not once did I suggest mentally healthy and law abiding citizens give up their guns. I have no intentions of doing so, but nor do I need a nuke or bomber.
Greg- the guy bragged about participating in January 6th and has been kicked off Bowsite at least 10 times. No sleuthing necessary. This thread is ironical as maybe the OP needs to be red flagged? I mean he seems unstable? What do you think?
The guy the posts the stupidest memes on here and I’m childish...ok Greg.
I am liberal and I support the constitution and 2A. I don’t think taking my AR is the answer. I don’t have an answers to reduce mass shootings. Maybe we can start with changing our culture of shaming and marginalizing those with mental health issues. Maybe we (federal government with taxes) should invest in mental health resources in America? Would that help?
IDK but I’m not going to go over the top when some legislator comes out with a bill that limits the kind of guns we can buy and own because legislation like that is introduced in every congress. Since I’ve been on this earth.
There are some good points being made here by some and it expands my perspective. But others just regurgitate what right wing pundits say. Some are not even willing to discuss solutions. They only rehash the same ole talking points.
You tell me how we can reduce mass shootings? I feel very sorry for the victims and families who suffer from gun violence but I also understand why we need the 2A to remain free people. Just don’t say something seriously stupid like more guns is the answer. There was a reason why Wyatt Earp banned carrying guns in town. People due irrational s#%^ in the heat of the moment. My guess is there would be even more killing if everyone carried a firearm everywhere but that’s just my opinion that can’t be backed up.
“Zero of the morons arrested for breaking into the capital building had FIREARMS. So I am not sure what that has to do with anything”
Not sure if you accidentally said weapons instead of firearms.
Also who is in charge of the new Thought Police?
Remember after the election all of the millions of people that voted for Donald Trump were called white supremist. It was stated many times by news people and politicians they needed to be reprogrammed!
ks, thanks pal, your 1st paragraph proved my point
in some jurisdictions, your mere suggestion about tank would be enough to get him jammed up, add an accusation with a few accurate descriptions ? worse yet
cool huh??
yup until you are someone's tank, with all those unneccessary weapons of war you possess
My point was to Jaq’s post as to why red flag laws don’t work most times. I’m guessing that families that deal with red flag issues have the same “shortsighted” discussions. However, he put himself out there not me. If you are going to brag about storming the Capitol you should be “jammed up.” Unless you weren’t there but bragged publicly that you were. Almost as bad. Personal responsibility, right?
I noticed you offered no solutions. Do you have anything to offer? Or you just going to criticize everyone else that offer ideas...talk about shortsighted.
I said weapons intentionally as according to multiple accounts there were more than firearms discovered.
Ryan, I agree both with your view that more focus needs to be on mental health, and that Greg offers little other than criticism with you being his favorite target.
Frank, the point you make is argued by many. I don’t agree with that. I think most people, if understanding what was happening, would indeed answer the call to stop it.
Google it. You might be surprised by the number of folks who never even reach for their firearm. I was first tipped off to this by an LEO friend.
I could share google results, but we know any site presented would be written off as left wing propaganda, LOL. It even happens to some in combat who are trained for it.
There is far too much left wing propaganda being spewed as truth. Even by those leading our military calling Christians and Catholics violent extremists in this new twisted indoctrination being attempted aimed at the hero’s defending our constitution and freedom.......unbelievable. Biden, his chronies, and those who installed them are traitors to this country and to those who bore the burden of creating this country, to the citizens of this country, and to those who have fought and died defending this country and the principles and constitution guarding this country.
Ya know Ks might have a point about some of this. When President House Plant was asked today about gun control and such, his eyes rolled back into his head and wandered around the stage while a few sparks came out his ears..... then went on about..... infrastructure? (You mean shovel ready jobs? Like your last BS lies?) Like the question was never asked. Even all the so called journalists kind of looked around the room wondering WTH? Don't know if his brain shorted out or if he just grabbed the wrong cue card thinking it was a different pre-chosen reporter he was talking to.... maybe they got the order of the pre-selected questions wrong.... who knows.
You could hear the groaning backstage from the guy with his hand all up inside his puppet..... that was about the most embarrassing hot mess I've ever seen.... even with questions like "is all the (illegal) immigration coming through our southern (open) border (such a disaster) because you're such an awesome guy?"
That was a "press conference" about as much as this past summer's BLM/Antifa riots were "mostly peaceful".....as the burning building was shown in the background.
I'm honestly not sure there is a solution that would minimize mass shootings. What can possibly be done to stop the law-abiding citizen who "snaps" from doing something heinous? The guy with no previous history of violence, mental illness, etc. Or even the guy who has no history of violence but owns hatred and anger in his heart, that finally does the unthinkable. If there was a solution, it would have been done already. Our country isn't made up of dummies. If we want to maintain the 2nd amendment as is, we are accepting that these things are going to happen.
This loser chose to use an AR. IMO, he could have accomplished the same with a Rem 870 or a Benelli SBE. Do we take those away as well? Where do we draw the line on legal weapons and where do we draw the line on when a person shouldn't be allowed to own firearms?
The problem with having a rational discussion is that the proposed solutions have to be rational to start with. So far I only see politicians offering to strip rights, that should be a non-starter for any rational thinker. Taking away constitutional rights and presumption of guilt before a criminal action aren't the answers in a free society. Any proposal should immediately be judged against the Constitution and presumption of innocence before it's even put on the table for discussion.
It was good that the vacant old man knew which questions would be asked by the selected reporters, so the staff could have the answers pre-printed for him to attempt to read. Even then, he struggled. People cried about Trump's "lies". Biden told lie after lie and those so called "reporters" let him off the hook. What an embarrassment to our nation. Those who voted for him should be proud.
Glunt@work *I don't blame Biden, or Trump, or video games, or Covid, or guns, or racism for people randomly killing others. I blame the person who does it or makes someone do it.
Point on in a nutshell Don ! When these murders are reported , they should also keep the murders skin color out of the report ""for all cases"" as it is a sick SOB doing the killing . Not his skin color ! Trial the murderer , not his family or people of the same skin tone .......... That goes for all people .
Tank, "train all citizens in defensive firearms training. Put armed citizen forces in the cities like an Israel." Ahhhhh, no thanks? I like my US not looking like some middle eastern militarized zone.
FEAR of DAD? Plenty of good kids in the world these days that were never spanked or FEARED either parent. There is only a fine line between punishment and abuse these days. I think spanking is actually lazy parenting just like coddling but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Plenty of murderers who were probably spanked a little too much as kids and might even be part of the reason they develop hate and rage.
Also keep in mind the gun homicide rate is half what it was in the 1970s. It is just over 3 per 100,000 where it was over 7 in the 1970s. You can't necessarily believe the narrative that it is an epidemic.
Trapper, literally one of the "questions" was "are the immigrants coming because of your reputation as a moral and decent man?"
I think it was Gowdy who said "I have heard tougher questions asked of beauty pageant contestants....." It was a joke. A joke on all Americans. And a bad one at that. An embarrassment and an insult to everyone's intelligence. In other words, SOP for Democrat Leftists.....
More people are killed with knives than all rifles combined each year. Nevermind “assault rifles” only. That’s all rifles including sporting rifles. Are they going to go into grammas kitchen and confiscate her cutlery? I doubt it.......
END KNIFE VIOLENCE NOW!!! What do you need a knife with a blade longer than 3" for anyway? That's why you have fingers! And no one should have more than 2 knives. I mean, you only have 2 hands, right? All knife drawers should have locks on them.
I wear a Leatherman Wave on my belt everyday. I guess I'll be needing a concealed carry permit for that!
I have been thinking ,as we all should, We try o think of those who enter schools and other places as rational . That is our first mistake. Passing laws for rational people will not work. My second point is we are training our kids to be victims. When there is an incident the first move is to lock down. Why don't we let our kids escape? As a rational person I don't want to harm anyone. When faced by a shooter we need to turn things around. We need to treat the threat as a non human invader. Many have been stopped by those who refused to be victims. What if we taught our kids to run away if at all possible. If that fails we need to teach them to fight back. A six year old spraying an attacker in the face with a fire extinguisher then using it as a club might save lives. I know one woman who refused to be a victim who disarmed her attacker and threw his rifle out the window. She then ran away and threw the gun again. The sad part is she felt guilty for hurting the attacker. It is time for us all to adjust our thinking.
"Tank, "train all citizens in defensive firearms training. Put armed citizen forces in the cities like an Israel." Ahhhhh, no thanks? I like my US not looking like some middle eastern militarized zone."
Gee BigEight, you obviously have no problem with our US Capitol building looking that way? Please enlighten us as to what the difference is.
All great humor has a sense of truth to it...... maybe that's why leftists suck at it....
I hope they threw in the custom cart with the cannon...... geez I think I'd have to sell my house to have a minute with that thing.... Kamala much much cheaper I'm sure......
Al Issa passed the background check. Just as have almost all of the random mass-murderers. And the .556 complied with CO's ban on high-capacity magazines. There is no law that would have stopped this guy, because if semi-autos were banned and 100% confiscated he could/would have likely killed more with a 12 gauge and 00 buck. But Dems are stupid enough to think that more laws will make us safe from monsters.
Correction - Dems rightly believe their ignorant voters are stupid enough to believe more laws will make them safer, because that's what the sheep are told by politicians and the media.
President House Plant said to use that shotgun and shoot em through the door. In the leg I guess, blowing it off. Do any of these..... people.... even listen to what he says? Or just believe what their "betters" tell them they should believe? What they "feel" they should believe? The "right way" to believe. Again, facts? Reality? Only the news we want you to hear at 11.....
td, tucker's last statement is a laugh...background checks, ha!
can anyone here sweep the floors of an empty school at night or pour concrete on a military installation without a thorough background check? absolutely not
probably for good reason
do our elected officials go through any such scrutiny, even those at top level? those in commitees on intelligence , foreign and/or domestic affairs, spending, green unicorns....any of them? absolutely not, even though they make and pass the laws
some are law abiding citizens, some would still be jobless after applying for a job to hang the razor ribbon around the capitol or even cut the grass at any federal building
I'm all for background checks, let's start with congress and circle back
I’m sorry for my cynicism, but we, as a nation, are going to strip people of rights and incarcerate people for thought crimes?
Really? Which thought crimes or threats are those?
I heard some pretty strong rhetoric during the BLM and Trump protests in Chicago just in the past year or so. Those individuals seemed very “angry” and seemed to be “threatening” people in a credible manner. Will those people be stripped of rights or be jailed?
Seems unlikely.
Mass shootings are terrible and tragic. As a nation, we should look to reduce them, rationally.
The Parkland school shooter had committed multiple crimes that should have removed him from the streets before he killed kids in the school. In my estimation, the sheriff is as culpable for that tragic event as anyone. Had he enforced the law and prosecuted instead of repeatedly giving that kid a pass, there could be a group of kids who’d be alive today.
I live in Chicago. Chicago is frequently referenced for its homocide numbers. In just the city proper, there were 769 murders in 2020... up more than 50% over 2019.
How many of those crimes do you suppose were committed by someone with a clean record? How many do you suppose were committed by someone with a documented, long history of crime and violence?
And yet, these offenders are being released onto the streets to harm others.
I’d guess that repeat offenders in Chicago alone kill more people than mass shooters nationwide.
Rick, pretty some the thugs won’t have to spend any time in jail now that we’re doing away with cash bonds. God forbid that society infringe on their rights. We all know how effective the FOID card has been at reducing gun violence in Chicago.
If I hit you in the head with a stick, doesn’t that become an assault weapon?
Concerning the background check part of what's being proposed, what I'm seeing is you won't even be able to legally "lend" your firearm to someone without doing a background check.
How is this going to work with your kids being able to hunt on their own since background checks aren't done on youths since they aren't old enough to legally purchase firearms. Haven't heard anyone discuss this and how this part of the law will apply to your kids hunting. Your thoughts?
Not simple at all where I'm at. Kids can hunt on their own without an adult with them and mine does it all the time with a gun. Will this prevent a fifteen year old from legally sitting/hunting in a deer stand by themselves now if this law passes? What I'm seeing is "yes".
Talking with a friend of mine this morning who heard from a friend who heard from a friend that someone in government is pushing for restrictions on the off-road truck you might currently drive called “The RPM Act” which would ban or restrict lifted trucks. The liberals want total control of ALL aspects of your life!
EPA is already raiding shops in Oregon and Washington for this. No news coverage I can find very strange. They raid the shops doing tunes, EGR deletes, high flow cats ect. like they are busting a drug cartel leader. Guns pointed at employees, no joke. Huge fines, and sounds like they can go back to 2009 to make the shop put the trucks they worked on back to stock. It sounds like they are also going after dealerships selling modified diesel trucks as well, to make them put the emissions system back to factory.
I was suprised a lot of states hadn't already required in inspection to renew registration for tags on the diesel trucks years ago.
They are taking tampering with emissions equipment very seriously.
I read this morning that Biden is considering an executive order to ban "ghost guns"(Guns without issued s/n aka 80% or 3d printed guns). As far as I know no guns of this type were even used in mass shootings. He's really grabbing at straws to pass anything that can get a foothold. The agenda is clear.
Yep. Just like is voting agenda. The idiot is trying to shame Georgia. Saying they are restricting voting by requiring an ID. All the while leaving out they mandated longer hours at polling places, increased drop boxes for early voting ballots to be deposited, and added additional days to early voting. They have done the exact opposite of what he professes. But, the scum keeps on telling lies about it.
Same with the gun issue. He’s blatantly said there is a time for everything. And, when it’s right, he’ll proceed.
The border issue is beyond naive. But, at least he doesn’t hurt people’s feelings with truth. Can’t have that in today’s creme puff society. Because It might make someone contemplate reality. SMH at the percentage of Americans today who can’t take any ounce of responsibility we are given due to being a citizen of the United States. It’s all soccer games and joyful bliss. Shame on due diligence.
Yes I saw where MLB decided to join the fray. Growing up as an athlete playing 3 major sports through highschool and dabbled in the “other” sports, politics never even entered the thought process. We all just wanted to be the best we could be proving that hard work paid dividends through championships and All Star games. I’ve been done with the NBA for a long time. When the NFL started caving to the disrespect to our flag I was done with the NFL. Baseball was the last hope to stay out of politics. As of now, they can kiss my azz too. I used to drink Coke. They went woke so I am done with them and will put my money where woke, China and anti American liberalism aren’t.
X2 trophy. I see in this the opportunity for someone who starts selling a product/service that just offers and excellent product that they stand behind, for a fair price with ZERO politics attached to it. Hell, I'd even pay MORE for it if that's truly what they were.
Biden to nominate gun control backer David Chipman to head ATF: WH official Chipman, a ‘proud gun owner,’ said he has sometimes been mischaracterized as a 'gun grabber'
By Brittany De Lea | Fox News
President Biden is expected to nominate David Chipman, an advocate of greater gun control, to serve as the director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a White House official confirmed to Fox News on Wednesday.
Chipman served as an ATF special agent for 25 years and was named Special Agent in Charge of the bureau’s Firearms Program.
Chipman also received an award from the Attorney General’s office for his efforts aimed at preventing gun homicides in targeted U.S. cities, according to his bio as a member of the gun safety group started by former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. At Giffords, Chipman served as an expert on "ghost guns" and assault weapons.
BIDEN EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE EXECUTIVE ACTIONS ON GUN CONTROL THURSDAY
In an op-ed he penned in The Roanoke Times last year, Chipman described himself as a "proud gun owner" who has sometimes been "mischaracterized as a gun grabber." Chipman noted that he supports gun safety regulations that would "save lives" but wouldn’t take guns away from law-abiding citizens.
"I am a proud and responsible gun owner, as are millions of Virginians," Chipman wrote. "I am also permitted to carry a concealed handgun. I am not afraid of lawmakers in Richmond passing laws to make it harder for criminals to get guns. In fact, I’m part of the majority who demand it."
ATF is a law enforcement agency within the Department of Justice that strives to safeguard the public from criminial organizations and activity, including the illegal use and trafficking of firearms.
As previously reported by Fox News, Biden is expected to announce gun control measures on Thursday following three recent mass shootings.
White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki declined to go into details on Wednesday, but Politico reported that the president is preparing an executive order.
A White House official told Fox News that not all of the measures will be executive actions.
Let me tell you if you never shot a ghost gun you are missing out. I’ve shot Glocks, Sigs, S&Ws, Rugers, Taurus, etc and my favorite gun by far is my 80% framed ghost gun. Buy one before you might not be able to.
Back in the 90's when the instant check was started Janet Reno wanted the numbers to be permanent record, as in "gun registration". She went judge shopping hoping to find a court that would approve that. The judge she found was a judge named Garland.
I would too Woods Walker. I may have to start watching and playing golf. The PGA is keeping the Masters in Georgia. Incidentally the MLB commish is a member at Augusta. Will he relinquish his membership?
You betcha'. About the same time that John Kerry stops flying his private jet around the world telling everyone else how they have to reduce their carbon footprint.
He’ll go with the party like he always has when it’s time to vote. He’ll talk big about our 2nd Amendment. He will tell the cameras he isn’t going to vote for it. Then, he will vote for it. EVERY SINGLE TIME. As he always has with one exception. But, it didn’t involve guns. Every time it has, he’s went with the Democrat party’s stance. He’s no friend to the 2nd.
I think whatever king Joe is going to EO he's going to take little bits of gun ownership, not an all out ban on a certain type of gun. Like gun owners giving bump stocks up - few people really used those, and few people use wrist/arm assisted AR's but he'll target those
maybe ammunition
every time you see a Democrat thank them for anti-gun King Joe, high gas prices King Joe, higher taxes King Joe .... Democrats enabled this fool, don't forget
"Let me tell you if you never shot a ghost gun you are missing out. I’ve shot Glocks, Sigs, S&Ws, Rugers, Taurus, etc and my favorite gun by far is my 80% framed ghost gun. Buy one before you might not be able to."
How could shooting one of these possibly be any different than any other firearm. I don't understand your post, other than if you want to build & own a 80%, now is the time before it's too late.
Helgermite, the main reason is the grip. I can’t explain it but it’s perfect size and angle. Glock is a great brand but the main complaint is the grip. The P80 solves that problem. Also, it is uncanny how little recoil is felt. I have a P80 with 9mm, 45 Gap upper, .40, and .357 sig barrels and compared to all the other guns I’ve shot the .40 is tame and the 9mm is rediculous. My friend made one in 9mm I shot it and bought a kit that night I was so impressed. I was shooting last weekend watching a guy shoot a small 9mm and noticed the snap. I handed him my P80 in .40 and first thing he said wow I like the grip and the balance. He shot it and I swear less recoil with the .40 then his 9mm. I guess you just need to give it a go to see.
Yep, TR, Colorado has a Red Flag law, magazine size limits, universal background checks. But if you ask a sick-minded liberal, they'll tell you the new laws are designed to stop the "next" massacre.
Right now, Boulder is under a lockdown and evacuation order for a bomb threat. Maybe they should outlaw pipes, nails, gunpowder, fertilizer, and propane too.
Mark my words. Your social media posts will be used against you. A consultant told me that unless you are independently wealthy don’t use any identifying information on the internet. Nothing that can be used to trace back. Set up a dummy email and profiles, don’t list home town or other identifying info. Used to be paranoia but as you saw with Turkey slayer it’s here.
So I heard he was going to ban the attachable stock for a pistol because it made it more "Accurate". Seriously targeted an accessory that makes a gun safer to handle and less likely to have an accident. Because it was used in Boulder...
Mark my words. Your social media posts will be used against you. A consultant told me that unless you are independently wealthy don’t use any identifying information on the internet. Nothing that can be used to trace back. Set up a dummy email and profiles, don’t list home town or other identifying info. Used to be paranoia but as you saw with Turkey slayer it’s here.
And the government will IGNORE it. If ANY one of us had lied on a Federal form like that we'd not only be prosecuted for it, but we'd most likely have any other legal firearms we had taken from us. But this drug addict walks scot-free because his father is a Democrat politician.
They really must think we have S U C K E R tattooed on our foreheads!!!
Geeze guys, "unity" isn't free. Your silly little inherent rights are a small price to pay. In a few months and few more uniting policy decisions we'll all be united and on the same page.
I think the word you wanted to use is "equity". You've probably heard it being referred to by the left. Just like a credit score. You'll have a "social equity" score; in which, you will be judged by your social acceptance. Talk of guns, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, etc. will lower your score, thus rendering you an outcast.
Just for everyone's information these were not Executive Orders or they would be law (at least until challenges in courts worked thru them). They were actually Executive actions that are really no more than a memo to direct activities. Just a stepping stone...maybe. Either way we all need to be diligent in challenging this ugly direction the power hungry liberal government is taking. Once any of our rights are taken away, I find in unlikely we will ever get them back.
If the government’s war on drugs, prohibition, and the Great Society initiative is any indication, the war on guns should be a resounding success. Especially when instead of 60 or so people on January 6, several million take the Capital, drag the politicians out, and tar and feather them, or worse. Our government poisoned 30,000 Americans with doctored booze during the prohibition attempting to discourage drinking, and that didn’t work. Biden said that our rights were not absolute. He may come to regret that comment if he even remembers it.
I think anyone who believes the ammo shortage is due to people hoarding ammo, is simply very ignorant of reality. That belief is causing more harm then realized. Because it gets recited as if it’s the truth.
Do you folks live in the same world as everyone else? No where I’m aware of let’s a person buy enough at one time to hoard ammo. It’s been that way for a decade. Yes, buying a couple bricks of ammo might be a lifetime supply to do e. For others it’s a shooting session or two. That’s not hoarding. That’s being prepared.
This ammo shortage has been ongoing. The writings been on the wall since the early 90’s. Blaming those that’s prepared for it accordingly is stupid. Blaming those that buy what they are allowed is stupid. In fact, blaming anything but policy that’s increased the demand for gun purchases is beyond reasonable.
Time changes things. And, if you haven’t seen it concerning ammo, due to your own arrogance, that’s on you. And, nobody else.
Had a guy ask me about stocking food and water vs ammo in case of a real SHTF emergency situation. I told him both are obviously important but ammo is the priority.
"Why"
"Because the day before the emergency each household can decide to have beans, ammo or both. The day after the SHTF, the household with ammo decides who has beans."
If no serious action gets taken in the next few months things will calm down but I can't blame folks for reacting to threats.
"Because the day before the emergency each household can decide to have beans, ammo or both. The day after the SHTF, the household with ammo decides who has beans."
Ammo did get sparse when the Remington plant shut down for bankruptcy proceedings; they're slowly bringing it back to full production. But 'panic' buying, especially by the 'preppers' who already have a ton of ammo, makes it look as though there is zero ammo coming off the lines.
Think about this - if Walmart has a standing order for shotgun shells, and they get a tractor-trailer load daily *5 days a week*, it works out to about one case per store per week, nationwide.
Might not be "stupid", "unrealistically empowered", "brainless", "stupid a$$es$". Might just be guys who like to shoot, take the Democrats at their word that they will be limiting gun rights and are frustrated that finding ammo in a shortage is a pain so when you have the chance, buy a few extra boxes. I put a few extra packs of TP in the closet when it was in short supply. Not because I feared TP was not going to be produced, I just like being able to use the right tool for the job.
Stix- someday you may need a gun, and your citified thought process will quickly learn the hard way. I work in a public, high stress environment where guns are sometimes needed. It can happen anywhere as demonstrated by weekly road rage and employment shootings. I'll continue to buy guns and ammo as I have with the 800 rounds this week alone, and I'll enjoy every minute I get to shoot and collect them.
Sovereignty?? If our leaders truly believed in our sovereignty they'd SEND THAT STANDING ARMY TO THE DAMN BORDER instead of surrounding themselves with them and razor wire!
Every last primer they can make is going into loaded ammunition. They feed their own loading lines before they package 'excess' for sale to reloaders. Doubt we'll see primers for six months to a year out. Glad I'm stocked for a while, but hoping new powder starts hitting the shelves soon.
let's see, I've read reports of 8 million NEW gun owners. Now let's say each of those wanted to buy to boxes of ammo(50 rds) each, simple math says that's one heck of a lot of ammo. going to NEW gun owners alone, not counting the current gun owners buying what they can find. BUT let's go ahead and blame the "hoarders" for ammo shortage.
Tim, it ain't all one thing or another, it's a combination of factors, and hoarding is _one_ of those. So are the material and labor shortages caused by Covid. So is the Remington plant being off-line for several months. So is the demand caused by new shooters.
Since the only factor I have control over is my own purchasing, I choose NOT to 'hoard'. Others choose the opposite.
(But, I have seen where hoarding can become a compulsive thing, not just re. ammunition either. There was a TV show...)
Spike, I run club ham and turkey shoots where we burn through cases of shotshells, and Remington 'Gun Club' was as reliable as any and better than some. (And half the misfires were by goobers who think de-gunking their guns is some kind of sinfulness...)
I was blown away at the Governor of MN saying that another black youth dead at the hands of law enforcement wow. That’s a damn good thing to say to incite riots in the state you are supposed to be keeping safe. And all this before the police investigation came out.
The responsible party is the guy who wouldn’t comply with police while they were arresting him on an outstanding warrant. If he had complied (or not had a warrant for an illegal firearm in the first place) there would’ve been no need for a gun or tazer.
Of course no authority will say this and the media will avoid this detail at all cost. The police might as well stop trying to enforce the law. Don’t worry about warrants. If a suspect doesn’t comply or runs, just let him go. It’s pointless. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don’t.
