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A bit disappointed in my EBike
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Contributors to this thread:
SDHNTR(home) 30-Mar-21
Jaquomo 30-Mar-21
sticksender 30-Mar-21
Chuckster 30-Mar-21
APauls 30-Mar-21
SDHNTR(home) 30-Mar-21
Inshart 30-Mar-21
Fields 30-Mar-21
Mule Power 30-Mar-21
SDHNTR(home) 30-Mar-21
Jaquomo 30-Mar-21
Fields 30-Mar-21
Knifeman 30-Mar-21
Fields 30-Mar-21
Aces11 30-Mar-21
WV Mountaineer 30-Mar-21
Redman 30-Mar-21
Knife2sharp 31-Mar-21
SBH 31-Mar-21
Grey Ghost 31-Mar-21
Brun 31-Mar-21
KHNC 31-Mar-21
APauls 31-Mar-21
Jaquomo 31-Mar-21
Bake 31-Mar-21
Jaquomo 31-Mar-21
TD 31-Mar-21
IdyllwildArcher 31-Mar-21
Bowfreak 31-Mar-21
JTreeman 31-Mar-21
Bake 31-Mar-21
TD 31-Mar-21
KHNC 31-Mar-21
Jaquomo 31-Mar-21
Whitty 31-Mar-21
Twinetickler 31-Mar-21
midwest 01-Apr-21
Z Barebow 01-Apr-21
Bake 01-Apr-21
APauls 01-Apr-21
Z Barebow 01-Apr-21
Pat Lefemine 01-Apr-21
BTM 02-Apr-21
SDHNTR(home) 02-Apr-21
APauls 02-Apr-21
Z Barebow 02-Apr-21
Jaquomo 02-Apr-21
Fields 02-Apr-21
PECO 02-Apr-21
ohiohunter 03-Apr-21
From: SDHNTR(home)
30-Mar-21
I recently bought a Rambo 750. I will admit I did minimal research prior to purchase. I just bought a bike that seemed to be suitable for hunting and mellow trail riding, nothing hard core, and was within the amount I was willing to spend. I have no interest in getting into the sport in a major way, the bike is just a means to an end. Yet, I am also one who appreciates quality machinery. When I buy bows, guns, optics, tools, etc. I buy top notch stuff. Low and behold, I thought while spending $2500+, this bike would be up to my usual quality standards.

It’s not. Not even close. The frame and the motor is just fine, but everything else is junk. The front fork is worthless. The brakes are terrible and need constant adjustment every ride. I bent a rim on the first mellow trail I rode the bike on. The gears are really rough. You can see where they cut costs and it’s in all the components. Is it worth upgrading the components on this bike? Or am I just throwing good money at bad? If worth upgrading, could you guys give me some recommendations? I don’t have the desire to dedicate a bunch of time into research something that doesn’t interest me that much. I just want to get to my hunting spots without being beaten into submission and without the bike falling apart and or needing constant adjustment and repair. Or do I have to bite the bullet, go back to my usual “buy once, cry once” and spend $5-8k if I really want a quality bike? Thanks.

From: Jaquomo
30-Mar-21
Gosh, Nate, I have a 2016 R750 and have none of those issues. I did finally upgrade the front fork to one with shocks. But otherwise I ride hard, ride a LOT of rough terrain where I live in the mountains, and have had no problems at all. I know Rambo has changed the design a bit since then, though not sure about downgrading components so the 750 will stay price-competitive with some of the lower priced brands, which do use cheaper components.

Which model did you get?

From: sticksender
30-Mar-21
I've got the R750 as well, and am pretty happy with it overall. There are some cheap-feeling parts but with a few tweaks all has been well, and I run it a lot. A rattling plastic fender, I fixed by adding a couple steel bolts. Gears-to-chain fit loose and slipping/popping I remedied by running it on a slightly lower gear at all times. For speed control now I never change gears, I use only the motor power setting of 1 through 9. I did have the plastic throttle lever break, but it was a cheap and easy replacement. As far as the brakes, I agree they are finicky, until set correctly. From the factory, they were way off where they need to be. But once I finally got mine set up right where they should be, they work pretty flawlessly, front and rear. As far as the rough ride, I agree that's true. I usually just raise my butt off the seat when the terrain gets a little rough.

From: Chuckster
30-Mar-21
I follow all the ebike threads on here as I am curious about them. They have some on display at sportsmans and run about $4,700 before tax. Just wondering how much the weight of the rider and gear impacts quality of ride, battery life, effectiveness of brakes, etc.

From: APauls
30-Mar-21
Oh man. I did whales of research before I bought and ended up with the Bakcou Mule. I abuse it more than any mountain bike I’ve ever had and it just keeps right on trucking. Sorry to hear about the Rambo. If you do make a switch not sure I’ve ever heard a bad thing about the mule.

From: SDHNTR(home)
30-Mar-21
Sticksender, You’re happy with it after all that? Wow. You have way more tolerance than I do. After spending nearly $3k, One would think you wouldn’t have to put up with such inconveniences and frustrations. I have a couple of hard-core mountain biking buddies, and they just laugh at me when I tell them I bought a Rambo. And then they laugh even harder when I explain that I am not happy with the quality. They all seem to think I should’ve known better. Of course, they all ride $10k bikes.

Jaq, maybe the earlier iterations had better parts. The suspension fork on mine is completely useless. It either bottoms out easily or doesn’t actuate or absorb shock at all, there is no in between.

I’m thinking about walking this thing into a bike shop and telling them, you have $1000, make this thing better. That’s about as much effort as I want to put into it.

From: Inshart
30-Mar-21
Did you contact the seller? Explain the issues and request a refund? Social media is a huge incentive for retailers to "make it right" with the customer!!!!

From: Fields
30-Mar-21
I was given a Rambo for Christmas. I have not yet put many miles on it. I agree with the quality of components. They are less then average. I am surely not happy with the customer service and felt they did me wrong and made no effort to make the situation right. I will buy any other brand then a Rambo bike, if I do it again.

From: Mule Power
30-Mar-21
I hear you when you say you didn’t want to go nuts on the research. I’m a research fanatic. Obsessive! But sometimes I can be a compulsive shopper which often means just throw enough cash at it to call it good. BUT.... the one thing I would do is go straight to people I personally know who are also research nuts and had experience with the product to let them make my decision for me. Bowsite is perfect for that. I would have shot Lou and a couple others a PM and never looked back before pushing the button on an E bike.

From: SDHNTR(home)
30-Mar-21
Customer service has been great thru the sponsor here I bought the bike from. I had a leaking brake line that they replaced. This isn’t the retailer’s fault. I’m not going to run them down!

This is mostly my fault for not realizing that in the world of E MTB’s, $2.5-3k is entry level and will only access lower quality bikes. I got what I paid for, sadly.

From: Jaquomo
30-Mar-21
When I bought mine in 2017, the R750 was pretty much top of the line at the time. I think retail was about $2800 for my model. I've had very good customer service too.

Since then Rambo has really expanded their product line, eliminating the derailleur on many models in favor of a 3 speed rear hub. I have not ridden one of those.

That said, mine fell off my rear carrier at 70 mph on the interstate (operator error on a new carrier). Aside from road rash, a bent handlebar and pedal stem, it was still rideable, and since I replaced those, it has been flawless aside from an occasional brake adjustment. My front fork seems to have a decent adjustment range although I haven't really put it to a hard test yet - still too much snow.

Is yours one of the 3 speed models? It's very possible that Rambo expanded too quickly and reduced quality of components on their lower end bikes to better compete. I have no connection to Rambo or any other manufacturer so I can only speak to my experiences with the model I have. But I've been very happy with it, and I am hard on equipment.

From: Fields
30-Mar-21
FYI, I dealt directly with rambobikes for my problem, not through any sponsor here. I did buy things off a main ebike sponsor on Bowsite and had nothing but great service.

From: Knifeman
30-Mar-21

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Mine has been very good, had some brakes squeak due to dirt. Otherwise, I have pounded it hard with none of your issues. Had great luck with customer service too. Just lucky I guess.

From: Fields
30-Mar-21
FYI, I dealt directly with rambobikes for my problem, not through any sponsor here. I did buy things off a main ebike sponsor on Bowsite and had nothing but great service.

From: Aces11
30-Mar-21
I purchased a QuietKat last year and had the cassette bend and chain break on me when I was way back in the mountains of Idaho. Was a miserable trip out pushing it. I will be the first to admit I was pushing it to its limits. I took it to my local bike shop to be fixed. They told me the parts that came on it were cheap and he wasn’t surprised it broke. Shop owner claims the replacement parts are better. The repair cost me $325. I have used my QuietKat since I had the parts replaced and it hasn’t worked fine. It was hard to get ahold of QuietKat to see if there was any warranty, and ultimately wasn’t. I used a Bakcou trailer and my buddy used a QuietKat one. Both our trailers ended up with some damage. I contacted Bakcou and they sent me a replacement part no questions asked right away. My buddy said he still hasn’t got any part from QuietKat. They had him send pictures and he did. Then he contacted them again and they asked for pictures again that he already sent.

30-Mar-21
Gheez, e bikes cost serious coin to be having these issues.

From: Redman
30-Mar-21
Buy an UBCO and all of your issues will be gone!

From: Knife2sharp
31-Mar-21
I got the 2021 Bushwacker, the front fork was upgraded from the previous year, the pistons are at the bottom of the fork and front wheel has an internal axel, so no need for a cross bar above the tire. The battery was also upgraded to 14 ah. MSRP is $4299, but I got a package deal for $3699, includes trailer, rear rack, saddle bags and fenders. This also has 5 gears and no derailleur.

I think 3-4 grand is the going price for a quality hunting Ebike, and above 4 grand you're getting into the 1000 watt category.

Took mine out on a maiden voyage last weekend to a couple of my properties to run cams - I was all smiles.

From: SBH
31-Mar-21
Thats a bummer to spend that and be disappointed. Good to know.

My boys did the research for me and when a used Backou came up on craigslist ...I got the text from one of the twins..."Here it is dad. This is it. Don't think about it, just buy it. It's the one" Everyone takes advice from a 13 year old right? Ha:)! He's a bike nut and knows more than me about all this stuff. I did it. I don't know which one I have but it's full suspension and an absolute beast. No complaints. I looked it up and with the accessories they guy before me added it would have been almost $6k new for reference. That's the same price I paid for my Yamaha atv used. Crazy but it does open doors to somethings the 4 wheeler just can't do.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Mar-21

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Another extremely pleased Backou Mule owner here.

Matt

From: Brun
31-Mar-21

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I bought a Rad Rover two years ago. My wife uses it to commute to work almost every day when there isn't snow on the ground and I have used it on two hunts. Overall not real hard use, but it cost about $1700 and I haven't put a penny into to it. It hauled 80 lb quarters on a big bull (tough to steer) and we are really happy with it.

From: KHNC
31-Mar-21
I bought The Roamer from Rambo last fall after my other ebike came off the carrier and got destroyed in New Mexico. I have not experienced any of the issues you mention. Mine is a 3 speed mid drive. The front fork shock isnt super stiff, otherwise , it is great in my opinion. It is 3499 retail tho. Seem similar to the old R750 with upgrades.

From: APauls
31-Mar-21

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Packed out my buck on the bike. Was nice after packing to simply throttle across a couple miles of flat ground. I know - lazy!!!
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Packed out my buck on the bike. Was nice after packing to simply throttle across a couple miles of flat ground. I know - lazy!!!
Picked up the bike on my way into the US as I crossed the border. Had it shipped to the US side. First thing I did was ride up and down this kind of terrain. I may have biffed it once or twice and went rolling down a coulee lol, but that bike is tough. Crashing through sage brush no problems.

From: Jaquomo
31-Mar-21
Kenny, as far,as the gear range with the 3 speed, how does it compare with the 7 gears on the other "derailleur" bikes?

From: Bake
31-Mar-21
I wish you people would stop posting this stuff. I really want one. The desire became great after Jaquomo let me ride his as well. You people have cost me a lot of money over the years

From: Jaquomo
31-Mar-21
Ha, Bake, it sure made a great shuttle back up the mountain to the truck after you guys abandoned me! I could hunt all the way back to camp from up on that ridge.

From: TD
31-Mar-21
In all honesty..... a good mountain bike with quality components will run you $2-3K.... and up from there. I think my 2 year old used Giant was $1200 a few years ago. I've seen folks with $15K+ bikes that fly in for events, still just bicycles that I can tell. Quality components are expensive. Top end are crazy.

There is entry level and, um, next level, and likely stupid level after that. Archery. Marine. Bikes, cars, trucks, you name it. If there's a price point to hit..... somebody's gonna hit it..... somehow. For eveything else there's China.....

31-Mar-21
Ever take it off any sweet jumps?

From: Bowfreak
31-Mar-21
LOL Ike!

From: JTreeman
31-Mar-21

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How I picture Jaq and Bake!

—Jim

From: Bake
31-Mar-21
:)

From: TD
31-Mar-21
LOL! Jimmy I think you just made my day......

From: KHNC
31-Mar-21
"Kenny, as far,as the gear range with the 3 speed, how does it compare with the 7 gears on the other "derailleur" bikes?"

Hey Lou, I still have a 7 speed M2S mid drive. The 3 speed Rambo still has 9 levels of boost. I keep it on 1 most the time with 1 or 2 on the boost level when im just riding for fun or to train. Seems like i rarely have to worry about changing gears on the 3 speed. I change regularly on the M2S. Both are nice bikes. I would have purchased another m2s if they wouldnt have been out of stock for 4-5 months last october.

From: Jaquomo
31-Mar-21
Ok, thanks. I keep mine on the second ring most of the time with assist 1 or 2. Only put it on the big ring in steep ascents, and on the smaller rings when I'm trying to keep up with my wife on flatter stuff... Was just curious how the ratio on the 3 speeds compare.

From: Whitty
31-Mar-21
I also have a M2S and couldn't be happier Used it pretty hard and no issues...roughly $1700. Paired with a Harbor Freight aluminum motorcycle carrier and I'm pretty solid for well less than $2K.

From: Twinetickler
31-Mar-21
Biktrix Juggernaut HD or Ultra. I have beat the crap out of them with no issues. Solid components come on them for what you paid for your Rambo. Sell your Rambo and start over imo. Super frustrating. The Juggernaut is also a mid drive.

From: midwest
01-Apr-21
That sucks, Nate. Thanks for sharing, tho.

From: Z Barebow
01-Apr-21
Backou Mule owner. I had one problem, but the situation would have destroyed any bike.

I was coming down the mtn side and I kicked up a stick. Closer to a small log. It went into my rear spokes and snapped the derailuer bracket and destroyed derailer. Luckily I was on the downhill side of mtn. I used gravity with minor assistance to get me to the truck. I bought the bracket and derailer from Backou and had my local bike shop realign everything. (Had to replace a couple of spokes also) $20 labor. It was a bargain and back to new. I love my bike. My issue was NOT related to quality. All components are top notch.

From: Bake
01-Apr-21
Is Ebikegeneration still doing their Bowsite discount?

From: APauls
01-Apr-21
^^^That's the spirit Bake!

From: Z Barebow
01-Apr-21
Bake. John is a great guy to work with. That is how I bought my Mule. Bought a trailer package at the same time.

From: Pat Lefemine
01-Apr-21
I have never seen the Rambo, I own a QuietKat Zion and a Backou Storm. They are both good bikes, but the Backou is a seriously rugged bike, more powerful, and smoother ride.

From: BTM
02-Apr-21

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I did LOADS and over a year of research on these bikes.... I called dealers, called the companies, called customers. It wasn't even close. Bakcou hands down has the best bike as I have bought the Mule and a couple of Storms. Honestly... just being able to call them and speak to someone on the phone is amazing. The other companies have a third party line from my own personal experience and they dont know their bikes. I also found out the owners of Bakcou are pure cyclist and have been in many high stakes races, so they know bikes and components. "You get what you pay for" is so true in these bikes.

From: SDHNTR(home)
02-Apr-21
I want to make one point abundantly clear. This is in no way a reflection on John or EBike Generation. They have been nothing short of wonderful to work with. John has even offered to refund my money. Amazing offer and definitely not necessary as no part of this is on him. I just should have done more research and or upgraded from the beginning. You can rest assured you will be doing good business with John and he will be there to support your purchase! Thanks!

From: APauls
02-Apr-21
Man am I glad I bought when I did. Pricing is up about 25%

From: Z Barebow
02-Apr-21
I hear you Adam. When I bought from John/E-Bike Generation, I utilized a package discount, Bowsite discount, and my CitiBank card (2% Cash back). But no regrets. Backou bikes are built stronger than a brick "sh!thouse".

From: Jaquomo
02-Apr-21
I've had GREAT customer service from Rambo, always get a human who speaks "Minnesotan", and they always call back if I leave a tech support question. I called a couple days ago and someone picked it up on the third ring, answered question.

From: Fields
02-Apr-21
Because i keep coming back to this thread, I am going to tell my Rambo story... My wife bought the bike directly from Rambo as a gift for me for Christmas. As part of a black Friday deal, the bike came with a high mountain conversion kit, used to increase climbing power, I believe. Perfect! With this included, she thought the price and deal were good, and purchased the package deal. After receiving the bike, I decided to install the kit. Pretty straight forward, not really clear directions, but nothing that could not be figured out.... Once all the pieces were assembled and attached, the last part needed to be done was to attach the chain.. This is where the problem starts. Humm... Upon installing the chain, the new sprocket on the kit and the "old" sprocket on the bike were not compatible. I called Rambo the following day and told them the problem... figuring its an easy switch on a sprocket.. Their answer, "Oh, that kit will not fit on my bike" WTF.. Well, then, how about a refund on the price of the conversion kit? "Nope! We can't do that.. " In our last conversation, they stated to send me my address and they will send me a hat.. Ugh, nope! There will be no advertising. Why send something with a bike that is known not to work or fit. A worthless free gift. I feel it was pretty bad business, and will no longer purchase anything Rambo related. Sorry to vent, but thats my story, Still pisses me off.

From: PECO
02-Apr-21
Let me upsell you a bunch of stuff that doesn't work together. No refund but here is a free hat. LOL what a deal.

From: ohiohunter
03-Apr-21
I’d be torqued too, that’s $h*tty business.

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