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Grizzly Mauling Kills Guide
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Contributors to this thread:
Bowboy 19-Apr-21
Owl 19-Apr-21
wildwilderness 19-Apr-21
IdyllwildArcher 19-Apr-21
Pyrannah 19-Apr-21
SBH 19-Apr-21
PushCoArcher 19-Apr-21
deadeye 19-Apr-21
RK 19-Apr-21
LBshooter 19-Apr-21
2xLung 19-Apr-21
Huntcell 19-Apr-21
Bou'bound 20-Apr-21
Grey Ghost 20-Apr-21
Ron Niziolek 20-Apr-21
JL 20-Apr-21
Medicinemann 20-Apr-21
orionsbrother 20-Apr-21
KSflatlander 20-Apr-21
JL 20-Apr-21
Medicinemann 20-Apr-21
JL 20-Apr-21
Julius Koenig 20-Apr-21
Inshart 21-Apr-21
lewis 21-Apr-21
lamb 21-Apr-21
GF 21-Apr-21
0hndycp 21-Apr-21
GF 21-Apr-21
Ron Niziolek 22-Apr-21
Supernaut 22-Apr-21
Paul@thefort 22-Apr-21
wytex 22-Apr-21
trophyhill 22-Apr-21
Old School 22-Apr-21
altitude sick 22-Apr-21
GF 22-Apr-21
BULELK1 25-Apr-21
goelk 25-Apr-21
From: Bowboy
19-Apr-21

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I bet his family is devastated. He should of had another person with him imo.

From: Owl
19-Apr-21
Tragic. God's Peace to his family. Not arguing but just my $.02 - I can't Monday morning quarterback a guy fishing alone in grizzly country. How many hundreds of times have most hunters shimmied up a tree at o'dark thirty without another soul knowing even where to search much less help in the event of a fall?

19-Apr-21
I go solo all the time in Bear Country, that's living in Alaska though. Need to be bear aware and always have protection. So sad for everyone. Need to open a hunting season for sure just to harass the bears from people and make them think twice about attacking. At a minimum they should maybe do a hound chase season like Utah does....

19-Apr-21
Thousands of people hunt/fish alone in grizz country every year and a grizz kills somebody about every other year, not necessarily only people that are alone, but all cases. It's safer to walk alone in grizz country than it is to drive on an urban freeway.

I would rather die than give up my solo hunting time in Grizz country.

From: Pyrannah
19-Apr-21
very sad to hear and doesn't have to be this way.. just don't understand why they are not huntable...

does anyone know statistics of alaska grizz deaths versus the lower 50?

From: SBH
19-Apr-21
Terrible. We are just covered up in bears these days. Its ridiculous and they have ZERO fear of humans. We need a season for that reason alone much less to control the population. I spend a lot of time over there. Head on swivel, takes a lot of the fun out of it especially with kids around.

This is no time to second guess or say someone should have had another person around. That's bs.

From: PushCoArcher
19-Apr-21
Right! Like driving down the road with everyone's nose in a phone is any safer. We all take risk in life when it's your time it's your time. Prayers to the family.

From: deadeye
19-Apr-21
Idlly and a few others here have it right. We who live in grizz country can and should be as prepared and aware as possible. Car wrecks, crazy shootings around the country, I'll take my chances here! Played golf yesterday with a good friend, after he dropped me off yesterday, ran into a sow and three cubs on his road to his ranch. We are always excited to see them! I have guided for him for 14 years, seen lots of bears, been charged twice. I would not give up these encounters for anything. I grew up in NY. Just read their news stories daily. I'll take bears any day!!

From: RK
19-Apr-21
Darwin. Wins every time

From: LBshooter
19-Apr-21
Very sad to hear. When in nature you always have to remember your at the bottom of the food chain, and in springtime the Bears are hungry.

From: 2xLung
19-Apr-21
A 40 year old guide who lives in West is probably woods smarter and tougher than 99.9% of the population. By the sounds of the story, just bad luck - not Darwin -, compounded by the lack of policy to manage all the damned bears up there. Bear are flat out everywhere in that part of the country where I grew up. IF is not a "small town" and has a great trauma center, but is about 2 hours by ambulance or 30 mins by chopper. A real shame that he didn't make it.

From: Huntcell
19-Apr-21
Not “Darwin” and not “bottom of food chain” Knee jerk analyze misses by disturbing margin.

From: Bou'bound
20-Apr-21
I agree with the original poster in his bet that the family was devastated. You're not out on that limb alone I'd bet the same thing.

From: Grey Ghost
20-Apr-21
Is it true this guide actually died of a massive stroke in the hospital and not necessarily from the bear attack wounds? If so, I find the Fox News article a little misleading.

Matt

From: Ron Niziolek
20-Apr-21
"Darwin" is way over the top. And I understand Bowboy's opinion. He has hunted in NW Wyoming and knows what kind of danger these bears are. But I never have and will not let grizzly bears determine what I do and how I do it. 2x nailed it.

From: JL
20-Apr-21
My bro camps and fishes at that place. They work in pairs when fishing. I suspect a bit of complacency may be involved in this case. It's a sad ending.

From: Medicinemann
20-Apr-21
The article states that they are very confident that the "correct" bear was killed. They also state that the safely latch had been removed from the victim's bear spray. I hope that subsequent follow-up is provided which will address whether the bear had any spray on its fur (especially if it wasn't windy on the day of the attack). If it did, the infrequent sidearm vs bear spray debates may become much more infrequent.

20-Apr-21
Very unfortunate. Condolences to his family.

From: KSflatlander
20-Apr-21
Condolences to the family. Nature has its ways of reminding us all that we are still beholden to her laws and can lose as the top predator on occasion.

I too would like to know if the bear was sprayed.

From: JL
20-Apr-21

JL's Link
A little more new info.....

Father of West Yellowstone grizzly mauling victim remembers helpful son

Brett French Apr 20, 2021 Updated 17 min ago

esting with his back against a tree, a bloodied and dazed Carl Mock called 911 after being severely mauled by a 410-pound male grizzly bear on Thursday.

“I figure he was running on adrenaline,” said Chuck Mock, his father, who revealed details of the incident relayed to him by his son’s rescuers.

In Carl’s right hand he held a canister of bear spray he’d used to fend off the attack, his dominant left hand having been “chomped up” as he tried to protect his neck and head from the fierce assault. One of the bear’s teeth had punctured Carl’s skull leaving him concussed and his brain was swelling from the injuries.

“They knew he had for sure launched off his mace because there was even mace on his clothes,” Chuck said, theorizing that the bear may have attacked Carl from behind. Warning signs

A sign at a trailhead warns hunters to take precautions in grizzly bear country. Brett French Rescue

The grizzly, which was protecting a moose carcass stashed nearby, circled Carl as he waited for help. Unfortunately, the emergency responders were at the wrong end of Baker’s Hole Campground, about three miles north of West Yellowstone where Carl had lived the past 14 years.

After about 45 minutes, Chuck said his son called again to provide more details on his location. They then arrived 10 minutes later. A medical helicopter flight was canceled due to snow, so an ambulance hauled Carl the 115 miles to the Eastern Idaho Regional Medical Center in Idaho Falls. There he underwent extensive surgery and was placed in a medically induced coma, but on Saturday Carl suffered a stroke and was declared brain dead. The previous day, the grizzly was shot by officials investigating the incident when it charged the group of seven people.

Grizzly bear killed after man mauled near West Yellowstone

Chuck was holding his son’s right hand when doctors declared Carl brain dead.

“I kept talking to him, holding his good hand, but I never got any squeezes,” Chuck said.

A celebration of Mock’s life will be held on Saturday at the Union Pacific Dining Hall in West Yellowstone from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m. Worker

Jerry Johnson hired Charles “Carl” W. Mock IV five years ago to work at his Backcountry Adventures snowcoach and snowmobile guiding business. The company gives tours in nearby Yellowstone National Park. Mock was friends with Johnson’s son, Keith, who set up a GoFundMe page to pay for Mock’s hospital and now funeral expenses. The page has so far raised more than $32,000 from 106 donors.

“He was a standup guy,” Johnson said. “Carl would do anything for his friends and family. He was very loyal. To me, that was his strongest attribute.”

Pam Talasco posted on her Facebook page about photographing grizzly bears with Mock last May. “He lived the life of one great outdoor enthusiast,” she wrote.

“He just lived to help people,” Chuck said. “I kind of thought, ‘How did he end up being such a nice guy?’ Cause he was a real terror to his sisters.”

One incident Chuck recalled was when Carl took his half-brother kayaking on Yellowstone Lake, towing his sibling behind him because he suffers from multiple sclerosis. Utah born

Carl was born in Provo, Utah, but grew up in Southern California, Nampa and Pocatello, Idaho. It was while living in southeastern Idaho that his father introduced Carl to Yellowstone National Park.

“He was just in awe of the place,” Chuck said.

Growing up, the father and son shared a love of camping, hunting and being outdoors.

“He was just a real outdoorsman, a mountain man if you will,” Chuck said.

After moving to West Yellowstone Carl worked odd jobs in the seasonal resort community next door to Yellowstone National Park, prompting concern from Chuck.

“He didn’t make a lot of money,” Chuck said. “I told him, ‘You have no retirement or medical insurance.’ He didn’t care because he was doing what he wanted to and living where he wanted.” Responder

Johnson said Mock was at the guide business until about noon on the day of the attack before unsuccessfully trying to find someone to go fishing with him.

“So he grabbed his camera and fishing pole,” Johnson said.

Whether or not Carl’s camera contains photos of the bear is “still under investigation,” according to a spokesman for the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife & Parks.

Johnson, who is a member of the local search and rescue team, was paged to the site of the mauling and arrived to see Mock being loaded into the ambulance.

“That was tough,” he said. Cleanup

In response to the attack, the Custer Gallatin National Forest has temporarily closed the Baker’s Hole Campground and surrounding area to public use. An explosives specialist is scheduled to visit the site on Wednesday with a goal to blow the moose carcass into as many small pieces as possible, a common tactic in areas where a carcass attracts predators that can pose a threat to humans.

Before sending in the explosives expert, a drone will be flown over the site of the attack to ensure no other grizzlies or black bears are nearby, said Jason Brey, Hebgen District Ranger for the Custer Gallatin National Forest.

“If there’s a bear on site we back off and may be at the whim of Mother Nature” to clean up the carcass, Brey said.

If not, the carcass will be reduced to small pieces making it less attractive to a large predator and leaving birds and other scavengers to clean up the moose remains.

“The goal is to help mitigate the hazard,” Brey said. “It lessens the risk on a sooner scale. We’ll still keep the area closed a couple of days, but if we’re successful it puts it on a shorter time frame.” Organ donor

After Carl was declared brain dead, Chuck consulted with his daughters, Tiffany Mock-Cook and Lindsay Russell, about donating Carl’s organs. They agreed and Carl was flown to a hospital in Utah where surgeons removed his liver, heart, both kidneys and pancreas.

“So a friend of Ryan’s (Carl’s half-brother) put online that he got the call and he was getting a heart transplant,” Chuck said.

The recipient was going to the hospital where Carl had been operated on.

“So a friend of Ryan’s is getting my son’s heart,” Chuck said. “He likes guns and doing things outdoors, just like my son does.

“He’s helped other people continue to live with his organ donations.”

From: Medicinemann
20-Apr-21
JL, Thanks for that update. I hope that the donor aspect provides cathartic relief to the family.

From: JL
20-Apr-21
^...I was thinking the same thing. I'm also an organ donor but I don't think some of my "stuff" is usable. That's pretty cool someone the family knows is getting one of the organs.

20-Apr-21
Sad story, what a bummer

From: Inshart
21-Apr-21
Good update JL, thanks. Prayers to his family.

My wife always worries when I go elk hunting, I tell her (as others have said) it's far more dangerous getting to the location than tromping through the woods.

RK ... "Darwin" really?

From: lewis
21-Apr-21
Terrible situation thoughts and prayers for the family Lewis

From: lamb
21-Apr-21
grey ghost really!!!

From: GF
21-Apr-21
“ Is it true this guide actually died of a massive stroke in the hospital and not necessarily from the bear attack wounds? ”

I think the second article makes it pretty clear that the stroke was a direct consequence of the tooth through the skull.

Insulting the deceased for having gone fishing solo?

I’ve done a lot dumber than fishing by myself. But not (IMO) dumber than to speak ill of a guy who was tough enough to hold off a Griz with his strong hand and deploy the pepper spray with the other...

From: 0hndycp
21-Apr-21
The ended up killing the bear. When they tried to haze it or intimidate it away it kept coming back more aggressive than before. They ended up euthanizing it due to its aggressive behavior.

From: GF
21-Apr-21
JMO, there ain’t NO EFFING WAY that anyone would let a bear live after it has mauled somebody. The liability and the bad press after the second incident would be The End for whoever made that call.

You could say that the bear was just Being A Bear and defending the moose carcass is a natural behavior... but a bear that treats humans as an easily-eliminated threat to their food supply in an area where people hunt big animals..... that’s a bomb waiting to go off.

Pretty sure that the bear (and/or her cub) that killed that young guide a few years ago was staking a claim to the client’s Elk. Probably wasn’t her first rodeo...

From: Ron Niziolek
22-Apr-21
Wyoming doesn't always kill the bear after a mauling. It depends on the circumstances. If the bear is surprised, or a sow is protecting her cubs, they often do nothing. I personally agree with that. If it's found that the bear was showing any type of predation behavior, then they will attempt to trap it and euthanize.

From: Supernaut
22-Apr-21
JL, thank you for the update. Very sad events but I'm glad he donated his organs and the family knows one of the recipients.

Prayers sent to this young man's family and friends for comfort and healing. -Jim

From: Paul@thefort
22-Apr-21
John, thanks for posting that follow up info concerning family and his donation--- Life to Life.

From: wytex
22-Apr-21
Wish we had an ignore button, really RK ?

22-Apr-21
Tragic for the family and a heroic death for him. He passed doing something he loved to do. Not many have that opportunity to go while being the outdoorsmen we aspire to be.

From: Old School
22-Apr-21
Tragic story. The lefties will still refuse to acknowledge there is a bear problem. Just the same jibberish of it’s just a bear being a bear. Those bears need to have some fear of human encounters. Let the states manage them and get an annual season going. Something tells me with this new administration that isn’t on the agenda...

Prayers for the family.

22-Apr-21
Trophyhill X2. Very sad. And I feel terrible for the family.

But man what a story. He was obviously no daisy. He fought off a Grizzly and possibly would have survived if he could have gotten decent medical care in under an hour.

From: GF
22-Apr-21
@Ron - I think you’re right about sows with cubs; I was thinking too narrowly about disputes over carcasses, and I’m pretty sure I recall a couple of cases where no action was taken against a sow. Of course it helps when she makes her point and leaves before tooooo much damage is inflicted.

And of course the optics on putting down a Mother Bear are really lousy.

From: BULELK1
25-Apr-21
I've only hunted Idaho unit 62 a couple times over the years but I've hunted the Wyo side/# 73 quite a bit.

At one time they would trap/capture the trouble Grizz and release them into Winegar Wilderness just across the border into Wyoming.

Saw plenty of Grizzz sign but never actually saw any over the years, other than glassing them from a far.

The Wyo side in # 73 definately had restrictions with the Winegar and Jedidiah Smith Wilderness's and then of course Grand Teton National Park boundaries.

Lot's of elk and Mnt. Goat's though------->

Good luck, Robb

From: goelk
25-Apr-21
rest in Peace and prayers for family

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