"the bear is thought to be a species of brown bear that lived 22,000 to 39,500 years ago."
I spit out my drink
Thought the same thing. The spread in years it could have lived is as many years old they say it is.
Does that statement and the ones from those in agreement suggest you completely discount carbon dating? Just curious...
Carbon dating is a product of observation and experiment based on our modern timeframe and understanding over the past 300 years or so and aligns with what we know based on recorded history.
We assume what we have observed and quantified from observed data and experiment that it applies the same back through time beyond what we actually know.
What we use and understand for dating mechanisms are from a snapshot of the physical world throughout time.
Updated 11:34 AM ET, Mon September 14, 2020 All the bear's soft tissue is intact, including its internal organs. All the bear's soft tissue is intact, including its internal organs. (CNN)The perfectly preserved remains of an Ice Age cave bear have been discovered in the Russian Arctic -- the first example of the species ever to be found with soft tissues intact.
The astonishing find was made by reindeer herders on the Lyakhovsky Islands, which are part of the New Siberian islands archipelago in Russia's Far North. The bear could be as much as 39,500 years old.
Prior to this, only the bones of cave bears had been unearthed, but this specimen even had its nose intact, according to a team of scientists from the North-Eastern Federal University (NEFU) in Yakutsk, Siberia. The discovery is of "world importance," a leading Russian expert on extinct Ice Age species said.
A 14,000-year-old puppy, whose perfectly preserved body was found in Russia, munched on a woolly rhino for its last meal In a statement released by the university, scientist Lena Grigorieva said: "Today this is the first and only find of its kind -- a whole bear carcass with soft tissues. It is completely preserved, with all internal organs in place including even its nose. "Previously, only skulls and bones were found. This find is of great importance for the whole world." The adult animal was found by a group of reindeer herders, who then transferred the right to research the specimen to the NEFU, which is at the forefront of research into extinct woolly mammoths and rhinos.
According to the team, the cave bear (Ursus spelaeus) is a prehistoric species or sub-species that lived in Eurasia in the Middle and Late Pleistocene period and became extinct some 15,000 years ago. Preliminary analysis suggests the bear is between 22,000 and 39,500 years old. Maxim Cheprasov, senior researcher from the Mammoth Museum laboratory in Yakutsk, said in the statement: "It is necessary to carry out radiocarbon analysis to determine the precise age of the bear." Scientists have not yet been able to visit the site of the discovery -- the ancient carcass was found a long way from Yakutsk, which itself is more than 5,000 miles from Moscow. Significant discoveries, including mammoths, woolly rhinos, Ice Age foal, several puppies and cave lion cubs, have been made in Siberia in recent years as the permafrost melts.
I'm with LINK on this one...
I mean, feel free to fill in the blank there, if you have anything plausible.
Depends. How do the decay rates of C-14 over the last 75 years compare to the prior 5,000 before that? Right, you can't because you don't have the data to present as evidence to back it...
No, I am saying that I just don't give any credibility to the original carbon dating scale. I find it hilarious that anyone could believe that it is accurate being that we only have (somewhat) accurate environmental records for a few hundred years. I feel exactly the same way about climate change. Impossible to know, and we can only measure what we know for certain.
That carbon-14 does have a half-life of -5700 years but that doesn’t mean that’s the level of accuracy. For example, if someone ran the mile and you knew how long it took them to get halfway and their pace was constant, then you could calculate at anytime where they would be on the track by time or their time based on where they are on the track. The rate of carbon-14 decay is constant and that’s a scientific fact. The amount of atmospheric carbon-14 may change relatively slightly over time but the error it would cause is negligible when trying to figure out how many thousands of years old a carbon-based life form is.
Pretty cool find that well preserved.
That's the fact...
God also gave us self awareness, consciousness, free will, and critical thinking skills.
Cool story. Awesome find.
I know right. That was just slightly before my gran pappies, grand pas, great great mother’s, fathers, grand pa came across on the may flower. Makes it hard to believe dinosaurs could have been around 5600 years before that. ;)
Glad you're recognizing God's hand in things. Imagine how little we know beyond what we have observed...
Compressed air waves through observation and measurement in experiment. Same can be said for the way it is interpreted as sound by the brain.
The laws of physics and properties in chemistry known to us are from our observation in our timeframe since it's discovery. The assumption is made for C-14 dating is based on modern observation, experiment, and the mathematical representation from that data.
What's even more "LMAO" is being lectured by a guy who voted for the worst failure of a POTUS of all time. That's a fact...
Sorry to go science dweeb on you flatlander, but the acceleration due to gravity varies slightly on this planet. It is not constant universally.
And gravity constant over time? How about time constant over gravity? Gravitational time dilation?!?
Gotta have a couple of beers if we’re going junior Einstein.
Carbon dating has its limitations, but it’s better than sniffing something and making an estimate like my wife does with leftovers.
The point was that there are universal physical constants including calculating the gravitational pull of objects based on mass. There are also other universal constants like the decay of carbon 14 to nitrogen 14 in relation to time. Speed of light is another. There is absolutely no evidence that those things change over time. But I’m sure know and understand this.
Agreed that carbon dating is better than guessing.
HDE- there is a calibration curve and it has been tested and proven to be relatively accurate. It’s not perfect but in scientific tests it’s pretty reliable.
You two “believe” whatever you want if it makes you feel better. Science could care less what you believe. Human knowledge and understanding of the universal will continue with or without you. That’s the beauty of it…evidence is required.
From: KSflatlander 04-Sep-21 “The gravitational constant, denoted by the letter G, is an empirical physical constant involved in the calculation of gravitational effects in Sir Isaac Newton's law of universal gravitation and in Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity.“ The point was that there are universal physical constants including calculating the gravitational pull of objects based on mass. There are also other universal constants like the decay of carbon 14 to nitrogen 14 in relation to time. Speed of light is another. There is absolutely no evidence that those things change over time. But I’m sure know and understand this.
Your Wikipedia is strong. However, the gravitational constant is different than gravity. It’s used to calculate the force of gravity which varies with mass.
“ Do you believe gravity is constant universally and over time? “
Gravity is not constant despite the gravity constant used to calculate its force.
Pi is constant and I can use it to calculate the area of my pie, but pie is not constant. It is temporary.