Guys a clown Steve. Unfortunately I think were gonna have to send some firepower to get these people out and risk our own people in the process because this guys an idiot and created this mess
A 20MM goes rat a tat tat & a 50 goes chunk, chunk, chunk.
A 20MM goes rat a tat tat & a 50 goes chunk, chunk, chunk.
Having been a Corpsman with the Marines many years ago (5 years) I was hit hard again today with the reality of war. I am physically sick over all the blunders this administration Including the so called "military leaders" ha has calling the shots.. We cannot fix stupid but we can make sure all those "we want" to get to safety can be saved. TELL those in charge of the Taliban that WE are going to do this OR blow you & yours right straight to hell & start with targets on your top leaders.. Biden has cost to many live "already".. A special prayer for/to all those families that lost a loved one today. Biden & his cronies need to rot in hell.
"A report last month by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) indicates that the U.S.-backed Afghan military possessed more than 150 aircraft.
This includes four C-130 transport aircraft, 23 Brazilian-made A-29 "Super Tucano" turboprop ground-attack aircraft, 45 UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters, and 50 smaller MD-530 choppers. In addition, Afghan forces were given more than 30 military versions of Cessna single-engine fixed-wing aircraft.
It's not clear how many of those aircraft are still in Afghanistan. Uzbekistan says that hundreds of Afghan troops fled there last weekend with 22 military planes and 24 helicopters."
This cognitively impaired murderer needs court marshall, impeachment, then execution.
And a mere footnote to his legacy is he took $10 mil from China, his son took $30 mil, and no doubt the Taliban has already sold jets & blackhawks to the Chinese for reverse engineering.
I feel for the service members who lost thier lives do to incompentent leadership in this mess they made. I feel sorry for the families who are getting notified the son or daughter just got killed in this tragedy. You always notice its never polictians family members who lose there life.
This moron and his entire NSC need to be imprisoned for dereliction of duty. This is a catastrophic disaster that will have reprocussions for decades. Biden just showed every terrorist organization in the world that the US is a "paper tiger".
Worse than Biden are the millions of incompetent voters who voted him in. Biden is one person, but millions and millions of voters are really, really dumb, and incompetent too.
It’s a sad day for real Americans. Biden is and always been a political hack with no accomplishments in a very long political career. He needs to go, but what’s behind him is as incompetent, possibly worse. I hope that after the evacuations are final that we have fighter/bombers take out all the planes, tanks, humvees etc. That should be doable, but Biden doesn’t have the balls to do it.
I went looking for that list of all the Admirals and Generals who supported then candidate Biden. I can't find it....almost like it got wiped off the internet. I wonder if they will be doing a retraction.....
Missouri a lot of truth to your statement. But also IMO the bigger issue is a press/media that is dishonest. If you did not have to work so hard to get honest, fair, balanced information on what is really happening within our country, our leaders, the china virus, all over the world, millions and millions of voters might not vote the way they do. The media with few exception have silenced our last president. He has been cut off from all social media. The main stream media says zero postive about him. Contrast that to Biden. Hell go look at CNN currently and as bad as Biden has F'ed things up. Top their website. Huge ban "Biden to attackers: We will hunt you down" That is the problem in United States currently.
If you truely wanted to bring this country to the ground you'd put Biden and his handlers in charge. All should be remove from office. The sad thing is #2 is Harris and #3 is Pelosi. I bet if Harris was to get in Pelosi already has a plan to remove her a take over. I hope when our troops leave the Taliban doesn't try to shoot the planes down with our missiles Biden just gave them.
The House has all the power. The House can remove pelosi before this entire administration is impeached, if the House has the stomach for it. If they don't, they will be held accountable and the 2022 "midterms" would prove it.
I was sad that he became President but was hoping we could get through it with a minimum amount of damage. Unfortunately its been worse on almost every issue than I was guessing. Like everyone, (left, right, or center) I realized he wouldn't be running things and we would actually be getting an agenda and decisions made by a group of unelected handlers. This latest failure is a giant one and I have no doubt its not by accident or incompetence. The buck stops with him but don't be too quick to lay all the blame at his feet. Thats likely the plan so that they get a clean slate when they take him off the starting roster. They will throw him to the wolves and boast about what a brave and noble act it was, and all for the people they serve. Biden wasn't ever one of the good guys even back when he was a mentally sharp politician and manipulator, but in this current game he is a pawn. The blame lies with the real decision makers.
Ripe. We all did not predict all of this. Only the ones not included in the 81 million Biden voters and the ones ones that only vetted the candidates based on mean Tweets
RK, I should have been more precise. All of us who didn’t vote for Biden predicted the failure that would ensue right on this very site. Thanks for helping me clarify my friend.
As I have distanced myself from the media since last November, It was late this evening before I heard of the days happenings. I feel it’s the biggest disgrace in the history of our country. And since names of American citizens and allies were turned over to the enemy, an act of treason. I’ll take mean tweets any day.
Regardless of what party you’re aligned with this will turn out to be a mostly meaningless 20 year war as far as history is concerned. During this war, we had 7 years of George W, 8 of Obama and 4 of Trump. At least Trump saw the need to get the hell out of there. Some great things were accomplished but not enough to offset the damage that was done to American soldiers lives and their families in a failed attempt to stabilize a country and region that’s been in disarray for hundreds, if not thousands, of years driven by supposed religious belief and extremism and this surely will continue. Recent events are truly horrible for the men and women of the armed services who gave the ultimate sacrifice or survived with permanent physical or psychological damage. They are truly heroes who should be honored and supported as such regardless of what political leadership did to put them in harms way, especially in recent days.
As far as Biden, is anyone surprised at his continued incompetence? Goes to show that experience doesn’t mean jack squat…. Trump surely wasn’t the best we as a country could put forward but Biden? Crap that’s like an embarrassment of historical proportions but at least he doesn’t say things to offend and irritate people….
He KNEW the media would attack him constantly and he STILL had the back bone to put himself in front the news and take the licks. He was accessible to the country!!! That alone goes a long way.
Hopefully some good comes out of this in the fact that it wakes up all the idiots that keep listening to lies and taking fake handouts as bait!
Maybe this is what we need to finally get people thinking straight, we can’t operate a country based on emotions. We have to speak the hard truths, answer the tough questions, and do what’s RIGHT not just what’s easy.
As society we have to get away from the me me me attitude, we need to think about future generations and how our decisions today shape the world tomorrow. We have to lose the selfishness!
Right now we killing ourselves because we are terrified of a virus. When statistics say our odds of death are slim. Years way back we had men that stormed the beaches with an almost known certain death! By percentage it was WAYYYY higher risk then this virus, and those tough people did it to make the sacrifices then and get it over with so their future generations wouldn’t have to!!
This was predictable and the 60 million people that actually voted for Biden should never be allowed to vote again. Even with their stupidity Joe didn’t come close to winning. I hope we can get control of the ballot machines or this country is lost forever.
Their sacrifice will not be forgotten. Neither will the sacrifice OF those good men and women by power-grubbing pols on both sides of the aisle. They should have been withdrawn from Afghanistan the day after we discovered that Bin Laden was no longer in Tora Bora or Afghanistan.
Instead we pissed a trillion dollars and many good lives down a rat hole. And both the Taliban and ISIS are conducting their business-as-usual tribal warfare. Except with more and better weapons.
Trying to blame this cluster* on -one- President ignores the complicity of the other 3 AND the puke-pot called 'Congress.'
That is correct. We cannot blame this on just 1. I blame all the morons who voted for him, those who inserted him, and the puppet masters pulling the strings amongst others........
Dana I remembe those years and Obama’s ridiculous rules of engagement that got many killed. I’m glad you haven’t forgotten. Biden getting us out???? I guess he did for long enough to let the Taliban take control. Now Joe has us back in with more casualties. He eventually will get us out but not one American needed to die getting out. That blood is all over Joe’s hands and those of his caregivers. You can tell yourself whatever you want but Trumps thoughts and words on this issue have been well documented before Joe started eating his Jello in the whitehouse.
I don't put any faith in all this talk about "the midterm" elections changing things. Or elections in general.... not anymore.
Do you really think there isn't going to be more covid hysteria in 2022 to allow millions of mail-in ballots?? It's starting already. What makes you think it's gonna be any different 'next time?? Wake up to see results in the morning, and surprise.... there is a new winner.
I have an honest question for all you election fraud conspirators. Exactly how does mail-in balloting favor one side or the other? We've had state-wide mail-in balloting in Colorado since 2013. I much prefer it over traveling to and standing in line at a ballot booth. I've never viewed it as fraudulent, just a helluva lot more convenient.
I saw him on Canadian television last night - squinting his eyes and puckering his lips in a feeble attempt to look mean as he threatened the Taliban... he looked ridiculous and anyway, no one on earth is afraid of Biden.
Such a tragic loss of brave Americans - my thoughts and prayers to the families.
GG - the problem with widespread mail-in ballots is that this system is ripe for fraud. YOU may have voted once and honestly... but that doesn't mean the rest of the people will.
The main vulnerability with mail-in ballots is via ballot harvesting... which should be illegal everywhere, but which the democrats want to be expand and make legal nationwide.
There were several high profile arrests in Texas, for example, where health care workers at senior centers gathered hundreds ballots from their patients. In each arrest it was a democrat worker exploiting the system this way.
The problem with mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting (and drop boxes) is that you lose control of the chain of custody. Look up mailmen who have tossed boxes of mail in the trash, or kicked down Trump signs on video camera. People have bias to skew the election, including postal workers. Maybe especially [union] postal workers!
I was born in 1947. Let that sink in. The USA hasn’t won a war since I was born. Plenty of blame to go around, but I think that the main reason for that is that politicians think the American public (i. e. voters) don’t have the guts to want to win. In truth, again my opinion, is the POLITICIANS DON’T HAVE THE GUTS TO WIN. They don’t mind throwing money at it, but they are unwilling to be the bad ass on the block. They would rather pacify the neighborhood bully than beat the compound shit out of him. That never works.
Gray Ghost, first question do you honestly believe Biden legally had 12 Million more votes than the 1st Black President? A man who could barely draw a crowd during the election .
Now to answer your question no one is saying mail in ballots were the sole reason, but it can favor one side of one side is cheating.
Remember though only one side is in favor of anyone and everyone can and should vote without proof of who they are.
Then dead people, non citizens, computers can all cast as many ballots as needed to win.
They thought they cast enough for Hillary and assured her she would win too. But they didn’t know the orange man would get that many votes.
So this time they made sure there were more than enough. Hence the reason A man that only campaigned briefly from the basement succeeded in drawing the most votes in history.
GG - I hear what you are saying, dishonesty is not exclusive to any one party. But I think it's naive to believe that the 2020 election set a 120yr record in voter turnout, or that Biden at his weakest/worst did better than his every prior election attempt, breaking every record for voting when he could barely draw a crowd.
The entire premise of widespread mail-in ballots being necessary because of covid is a lie. It would be naive to think a person can't safely vote once in person, but can somehow go to Walmart every week shopping. Or that any boxes of mail-in ballots would somehow be 99-1 in favor of Biden, no matter what location.... people just don't agree in those ratios on anything, ever.
I did not read all of the comments, but what pisses me off the most? The libtards who are blaming Trump for this shit show. I am about to loose a few friends over this. They still support Joe as a good man. I can't take much more of their blindness.
Matt - no doubt there’s opportunity for both sides to exploit it. When one party literally controls every large city population and hand picks “overseers” in these elections - that’s where the advantage suddenly swings to one party. And we saw that in this last election in a number of states Michigan and Georgia being at the top of the list. Just my 2 cents.
From what I know having watched things for a lot of years......some things weren't clear.
1. What was our mission there? It seems different Prez's.....different missions as Prez's come and go and time passes.
2. It's clear we never had a solid exit strategy as past Prez's chose to stay there. Prez Trump comes along and made a command decision to get out troops out and negotiated a specific, conditional departure with the Talli's and the Afghan govt. Then, Prez Biden comes along and changes the conditional exit that Prez Trump put in place. I just heard on the news a second ago, there are (and will be) rumblings coming out (leaking?) that Prez Biden was advised not to do what he did and he over-ruled his advisors. He made political decisions and not strategic decisions.
3. I think we will look at history down the road and come to the conclusion we should have redefined the Afghan mission from a "war" to a place where we have strategic bases located to look after our own interests.....regular bases like we already had/have in many other countries like in Europe, Asia, etc. We were in Europe for decades after the war and have been in South Korea for decades after that war, We've been in Greenland (and until recently Iceland) for decades too. So having strategic bases to protect our interests is nothing new.
4. We need to figure out what to do with the U.N. They're about useless IMO.
Prayers to the troops and folks still on the ground over there. What a terrible situation. Lost lives for no reason. Sick and pathetic. The saddest part is he was voted in. Hope those people they used for votes will remember this. But they won't. Free money is too hard to pass up.
For once, I’m glad I failed to draw an elk tag anywhere this year. I would be totally distracted. The last time this happened was 9/11/2001, the day I departed to the New Mexico Pecos for elk. That hunt was ruined as all I did was sit in my tent listening to the radio. The lib’s Killer Clown must resign.
" If I remember correctly you blamed an awful lot on President Donald J. Trump! Your blame shifting is not merely laughable but appalling. "
At that time Trump was, imo, the worse of a bad lot and yeah, I did focus on him. Now that he's mostly a bad memory I have time and energy to criticize the rest of the reptiles.
JL, per yoru point 2 - "Then, Prez Biden comes along and changes the conditional exit that Prez Trump put in place. "
If Biden had stuck to Trump's plan and pulled out in April instead of August, would the results have been different? Better? If Trump had won would he have stuck to the date he committed to? With better results?
If you study the history of Afghanistan it has never been a true country.It a piece of ground made up of many tribes that have been hating and killing each other since recorded history.Every country that has tried to stabilize it has failed miserably Britain,Russia, and the U.S. come to mind.It absolutely is a disgrace on how this administration has handled this withdrawal they got it totally backwards .The non military people should have been evacuated first and then the military.It’s just a screwed up disaster.Prayers sent to the families of the lost soldiers and hoping for the best.Good luck Lewis
Lewis, agreed. Lines on a map drawn by Europeans mean squat to tribal peoples. 'Loyalty to country' is an empty phrase to such. (As we see the 'Afghanistan' Army melt like cotton candy.)
"Trying to blame this cluster* on -one- President ignores the complicity of the other 3 AND the puke-pot called 'Congress.' "
Bottom line...you voted for it...you own it! That is, unless you're starting to think the election was bogus?! This is who you, and the majority of the country SUPPOSEDLY elected to save the world...you might as well own it. I just find it humorous that you libs are suddenly acting as though you're appalled by this. Up until now you simply applauded his bumbling geriatric performance as "presidential".
“ Regardless of what party you’re aligned with this will turn out to be a mostly meaningless 20 year war as far as history is concerned.”
The only real virus this country is suffering from, and needs to eradicate, is the left wing lunacy that you folks support.
Partisan as ever, 70. Nice to know we can count on some things ;-)
" The only real virus this country is suffering from, and needs to eradicate, is the left wing lunacy that you folks support. " I feel exactly the same about the alt-right-wing lunacy spewing so freely. Microchips! lmao! Taken your horse de-wormer yet? Latest says it works best as an enema ;-)
PS you're *still* implying that you *know* how I voted and I'm still calling bulls* on that one, bub.
If the Covid won’t lock down our Country the Terrorist attacks on our land certainly will , Open Borders and thousands that have flown in here from overseas is evil !
This administration does not care about terrorist attacks, they are working hard to revise and change America. They hate the way America is, and what it stands for. The proclaimed 81 million woke voters have asked for this, some of you right here on this forum. Open borders help to dilute and destroy the America we knew. This is all planned, some of you losers voted for it.
Damn right...and growing stronger everyday! Now, you better get back to your masks and vaccines...dozens of people are counting on you to save their lives.
To whoever about stated " the most meaningless 20 year war". It matters to every military member who served or lost their life for this country. They don't pick the war, they just step up to plate to allow this country our freedom. It also matters to their families and citizens who are patriotic. Some of us are tired of people pissing on what this country was founded on.
Dana when you quoted MissouriBreaks you forgot to respond to this part of his statement ''but what kind of spineless idiot votes for a woke administration because of them"
Prayers for those who lost their lives so unnecessarily due to the incompetence of the current occupant of the oval office. 13 new Gold Star families. Such a travesty. Today is RED Friday. I wear RED every Friday to Remember Everyone Deployed.
DanaC say "PS you're *still* implying that you *know* how I voted and I'm still calling bulls* on that one, bub."
If you think we don't know how you voted after everything you have said in the past, all the ridiculous oppositions to the vast majority of this forums entirety. Than you my friend are more jingle brain than you sound. LoL
“ Trump had his issues" Now that is the understatement of the day ;-) And I love how the 'narrative' has become 'Trump lost because of mean tweets.' Oh honey child, just no.”
You should probably sit these next few days out bud.
Took less than 8 months for that effing idiot and his administration to make America the biggest laughing stock on the planet. What's even more frightening is if/when that cognitively challenged clown is either impeached, resigns or is removed per the 25th amendment, we'll be stuck with Willie Browns punch and that walking, talking skag Pelosi. We're screwed.
Now we're hearing that the admin gave the taliban the names of the individuals they wanted to evacuate. Hang a target on them Joe, phking moron.
As a veteran, I am about as pissed off as I have ever been. Hands are shaking typing this so the backspace key is getting a workout. Pelosi is still working her bullshit behind the doors deal to kick another 3.5 trillion in debt up our asses. the admin is still beating the Covid 19 BS into our heads in the hopes it deflects from the absolute shit show going on in AFG.
Open borders, letting in millions unvetted. Infected. With this chaos, Isis-K, LMNOP etc. could very easily get in and sew terror. Dear god the stupidity with this bunch, SMH.
A friend of ours young son was flown over there last week and saw some of horrors going on at that airport that is not being reported. My nephew is a blackhawk pilot with the 10th mountain division who is sitting on hot standby right now. He cannot say much as you can imagine. I am worried and pissed.
Kind of says something when the administration, wants to take our guns away yet will give the Taliban our countries best fire power, If the Afghans all had guns I think things would be different over there.
I want to personally thank any and all military personnel who has served this great country of ours. I have a disabled nephew and plenty of other family and friends who are living proof of sacrifices made for our country. I have also had the pleasure of knowing many who have served going as far back as WWI who are now gone but never forgotten.
I fear this president and his staff are in no way competent enough to lead us on this matter or any other matters that are beneficial to the survival of this great nation.
“No people who lost their character kept their liberties.” - Lawrence Reed
Blame shifting was Adam's choice in Eden when trying to hide his guilt. America today has a majority of moral delinquents. The Declaration of Independence, while voicing an independence from other nations, affirms that our rights come from the "laws of nature and nature's God. Thomas Jefferson predicted that slavery, a moral injustice upon mankind, would be the issue that would break the union of states and he was proven right. You may live in America apart from God, but America cannot continue if God is ignored. What you don't know about God is an ignorance that has consequences. The present moral shortcoming of America today is a banned subject on Bowsite and will close any thread mentioning it.
It is easier to make a buck, than to make a difference." - Tom Brokaw
"Society without religion is like a ship without a compass." - Napoleon Bonaparte
“I’m sorry, if you are too lazy to get off your butt to vote, you don’t deserve to vote.”
100% any system short of showing up in person with a photo ID checked against a voter registration records and leaving behind a manually auditable record is open to fraud.
"Society without religion is like a ship without a compass." - Napoleon Bonaparte
There seems to be plenty of religion in Afghanistan! We cater to the religious fanatics of the world as they murder the innocent, all while denying our own citizens the right to religious freedoms! Seems as tho it's the lefties that F'ed that up as well. But that's no surprise either.
My grandson is entering boot camp in Oct. I felt very supportive of him 6 months ago. From the shit show I have seen over the past few weeks, I am now concerned for him. I agree with all the above that have stated, if you voted for this incompetent man and this adm. you all own part of this mess. Thanks to YOUR votes we now have more gold star families. You own it!
Can anyone tell me WHY we cant decide that we WILL get all of our weaponry and equipment and give them no choice? I digress back to my statement from the day this happened......If the equipment stays, there was a very high level deal made and the USA intended for them to keep it all. Period. No one is this stupid. And if they are, there are plenty of people around that person who would never let it happen like this otherwise.
It’s hard for me to poke fun at Biden as my mom is suffering from Dimentia and now doesn’t even know who I am very sad. But I will say everyone he’s with is going to take down this country with their master plan. And Dana it’s funny that a lot of doctors and numerous posts I read say that Ivermectin along with other drugs actually helped people from not dying BUT all they can push is the damn vaccine because anything else goes against their narrative and lining pockets with fat cash.
So.... you guys still think this was all just a big mistake and those in charge are just incompetent? Really? Leaving behind billions of dollars of arms? Thousands of potential hostages? Destruction of US credibility and allied support? Loss of any military respect as to our will and resolve? And will do NOTHING to fix it?
Mistake? Incompetence? Really? good grief..... look around you.....
Jocko Willnik, if you don't know who he is, find out. He says it all. Fix it NOW.
Mail in ballots are an issue but not the issue grey ghost. The problem is voting machines that can be tampered with remotely and programmed with algorithms that give joe 1.5 votes for every real vote and changed at midnight to give him 1.6 votes per real vote. That’s where the mass fraud happened. It only takes a programmed algorithm in 3-4 cities to change election results drastically.
ivermectin definitely plays a role in covid treatment keep googling.Increased calls by idiots to poison centers dont equal poisonings.Ivermectin has been used in humans a long time for other things.IDK why it is on this thread for go back to the vaccine thread.
The mail-in voting changes right before the election definitely could of altered the election especially in places where it was close. I'm not saying they are changing the algorithms but to say without a doubt its not possible is naive. I mean ALL big tech wanted biden to win as well as 99% of the media outlets and alot of big corps. Add the Universities and some governments agencies into the mix and its definitely possible in my opinion.
Also, to think the dems wont cheat is very naive. Everybody body knows which party the dead vote for and its not republicans. We also know what party buses people in to vote.
Dana, I’ve read many articles on Doctors using Ivermectin for treatment the problem with you is you have WAY too much trust in the govt, FDA, and CDC. Because nothing they ever approved actually killed people and were later recalled right? The reason anyone calls the Poison hotline is because they took too much of it not because it was the correct amount. And the funny thing is I haven’t read about a single fatality from it but have read about thousands of vaccine fatalities. Geez
“Dana got quiet in a hurry. Waiting for the flatlander to tell us how Biden is doing a great job and is the greatest president at foreign policy.”
They are midwits. They can only borrow other people’s positions or Google to support an argument. Their requirement for you to support a position with a link doesn’t work right now because there are just too many that do. They cannot actually argue a point from a position of knowledge . There is a shortage of people defending this administration right now so they don’t have any material , hence the quietness. It’s a tough time for a midwit.
What does this even remotely have to do with bow hunting? Hey remember when Trump campaigned that he would remove ALL U.S. troops from afghanistan? He failed, he either lied or was incompetent in his inability to do what he said.(and don't tell me the generals convinced him not to... he already said he was smarter than the generals)
Hey remember when Trump made a deal and negotiated with the Taliban to remove all troops by May 1st 2021? And then started to remove those troops? Biden was able to extend that deadline.
I remember.
Trump made the deal. Biden finished the deal. 99% of this situation is due to the afghan arm folding so quickly. If trump had pulled out like he said this would have happened to him all the same. The afghan army was going to fold whether we left in spring or summer or 10 more springs from now.
If we pulled out a year from now this would still have happened, except it would be with the Taliban attacking us not helping us leave. Hindsight is 20/20 AFghans should have started evacuating a year ago when the deal was made and they learned we were leaving. But they didn't. Nobody thought the army would fold so fast. So instead of a trickle of people fleeing over months/years it's now in days. We have a deal to leave by the 31st and the taliban won't attack. We also made a deal to rescue those who helped us. As such it's a cluster and third party groups like ISIS(enemies of the taliban) can attack.
I'm getting really sick of people blindly following what "their side" tells them to follow/hear or see only what they want.
We succeeded in killing bin laden.
The fact is we should have left within a year or so on Obamas watch... we didn't
Trump made a deal with the Taliban, hence why we haven't had anyone killed by them in a year.
He failed to get troops out by the date agreed/his campaign promis.
Biden renegotiated and is now completing the deal.
We failed in making a bunch of religious tribes a democracy. And wasted a bunch of times, money, and lives doing so.
Sorry, you don't get to pin the failings of 20 years of war on an administration that's only been in control for 8 months.
The options were simple. Stick to the deal and leave by the 31st. Or start fighting the taliban again... forever. Leave someone elses war, or stay forever.
( I look forward to the "rebuttals" that will solely be personal attacks and fallacies. And nothing factual to refute the facts I put forth)
"You GG have been wrong about on about everything policy/foreign policy issue on here since Obummer was elected in 2008."
Name one, Shawn Magyar. On second thought, don't bother. It's not like I care what an anonymous coward, who has been banned from the Bowsite dozens of times, thinks about me.
This marine says it straight and is relieved for cause - see link for full article
Marine Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller was relieved for cause after demanding that senior U.S. leaders hold themselves accountable for actions made during the U.S. military's withdrawal from Afghanistan that led to the deaths of 13 service members.
Scheller, a father of three who has been in the USMC Infantry for 17 years, mentioned senior military leaders including Marine Commandant Gen. David H. Berger, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark A. Milley, whom he said are "supposed to advise."
"I'm not saying we need to be in Afghanistan forever, but I am saying, did any of you throw your rank on the table and say, ‘Hey, it’s a bad idea to evacuate Bagram Airfield, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone’? Did anyone do that? And when you didn’t think to do that, did anyone raise their hand and say, ‘We completely messed this up’?"
"...wants to take our guns away yet will give the Taliban our countries best fire power, If the Afghans all had guns I think things would be different over there."
The federal gov't has just disqualified themselves to enact any further firearm legislation against the private citizen because of this. Nobody today in good conscience can afford to surrender any leaglly owned firearm they currently own.
There is definitely role.Seems to decrease viral load (contagiousness).History will decide eventually.Ridiculing what you don't understand is ignorant but fun when a person feels compelled to be contrary on every topic.
If I am remembering from the community forum , Shawn Magyar served his country and was injured in that service. Not my definition of a coward ,sounds like he has a couple of great big balls to me.
GG, if I’m in the hospital I Damn will ask for Ivermectin cuz hell why not. If they have to actually do a study it means hey this may work? I damn sure won’t care about vaccines and masks when that point comes now will I?
It’s pretty simple. It would take a statistical miracle to change probability in something so one sided. If rally participation was any indication of probability. And it most certainly has to be.
Joe Biden rarely had a turn out big enough to fill any arena. Arena here being nothing more then an auditorium. As a fact, when his weakness became obvious, staged rallies where chairs were placed over preset dots to direct the two dozen hand picked viewers became his election strategy. It was blamed on Covid. But, unless the basis of statistical science is incorrect, their strategy had nothing to do with Covid.
Statistically, it would be a one in millions chance the rally turnouts didn’t represent the real world results with a sample size so large. Yet people are constantly saying fraud wasn’t a probability. Yet, in laymen’s terms, from the data those rallies presented, Biden winning the election would be as probable as finding a needle in haystack. And, we are still hearing how that wasn’t a statistical anomaly. I haven’t done the math officially but, the statistical chance of Biden winning the election was almost zero.
Are statistical errors possible? Yes. But, in a true random sample , rarely are more then 100 truly random samples needed to predict an acceptably accurate outcome. So, you guys keep on talking about the likelihood of no fraud in the past presidential election. It’s basically statistically impossible for Biden to have received more votes then Trump based on rally participation. Not to mention equally ignorant of the reality we were all seeing playing out in attendees at each candidates rally’s.
"If I am remembering from the community forum , Shawn Magyar served his country and was injured in that service. Not my definition of a coward ,sounds like he has a couple of great big balls to me."
Whitey, Good point! I'm beginning to think he is disliked by some because he talks a straight game with confidence. Some people are sensitive to folks that refuse to beat around the bush and sugar coat shit. I personally have no issues with the man...plus he's a fellow Veteran and I understand his language.
Thursday was “an excruciating day” for California carpenter Steve Nikoui. He knew his son Kareem, a young U.S. Marine, was stationed at the Kabul airport. But when he heard there had been a bombing there, he had no idea if Kareem was alive or dead.
“I stayed home from work yesterday because there was that attack and I knew he was there,” Nikoui told The Daily Beast early Friday morning. “So all day, I was glued to the TV.”
Just hours after the U.S. military warned of an imminent terror threat, a suicide bombing rocked Hamid Karzai International Airport and the surrounding area. At least 13 U.S. service members were killed, and another 18 were wounded. Scores of Afghans also died in the terror attack.
Military officials have not released the names of the slain troops but said they included 10 Marines, two soldiers, and one Navy medic.
Steve Nikoui said he knew the Marines contacted the families of anyone killed in action “within eight hours.” Right about 7:15 p.m. PT, “these young men walked up,” he said.
They first appeared on Nikoui’s phone, which was linked to his doorbell camera, he explained. He had been watching the news for any word of his son or his comrades, and wanted to make sure he intercepted any bad news before his wife and other son got home and saw a clutch of Marines standing there.
“My wife and I felt very honored that [since] these other boys weren’t around their homes, that we were able to provide some sort of family life for them,” he said. “He really loved that [Marine Corps] family. He was devoted—he was going to make a career out of this, and he wanted to go. No hesitation for him to be called to duty.”
Through tears, Nikoui expressed flashes of anger along with his anguish. He said he wants to “respect the office” of the president, but doesn’t have much love for President Joe Biden at the moment. A Trump supporter, Nikoui was happy that Trump was in office when Kareem joined the Marines. “I really believed this guy didn’t want to send people into harm’s way,” he said.
“They sent my son over there as a paper pusher and then had the Taliban outside providing security,” said Nikoui. “I blame my own military leaders… Biden turned his back on him. That’s it.”
The Marines who came to deliver the news of Kareem’s death were “more choked up than me,” Nikoui said. “I was actually trying to console them. But at the same time, I just wanted them to get out as soon as possible so that no one from my family came back and saw them. I thought it appropriate that I be able to tell them.”
“I haven’t gone to bed all night,” Nikoui continued. “I’m still in shock. I haven’t been able to grasp everything that’s going on.” As of right now, Nikoui’s plan is to go to Dover, Delaware, and pick up his son’s remains.
GG, I’m dead serious. And, I’m not making anything up. It’ could be called anecdotal reasoning. It’s used in almost every daily decision each of us make. If your arrogant personality and narcissist tendencies keeps you from doing that in this case, I understand.
You have shown a tendency to not like Trump. I suppose because you exhibit many of his traits. I’m not making that up either.
Nick, I'm still amazed that 70 million voted for Trump in 2016. (Or for Hillary, for that matter.) We the people have utterly failed to DEMAND that both parties put up better people. When one third of the electorate stays home, that's not 'apathy', it's 'disgust.'
"Trump won the Republican nominee against all republicans efforts for him not to. "
Which proves my point - neither party is grooming _good_ people anymore. JEB??? When a real-estate hustler can hijack an entire party, the rot is well advanced.
I’m so sick of this. Like most of you I supported Trump’s re-election. I was never a fan of him as a man, but I looked past that and focused on his results. Unfortunately the majority of voters couldn’t do that. When someone presents evidence to the contrary, I’ll welcome it.
So, now we’re stuck with a brain dead career politician. I can’t think of a better opportunity for the opposing side, assuming they can find a better candidate.
Hey Dana, anyone in this country can run for president if they meet the established criteria. That’s a fact. And, as proven, the popular choice when given will win hands down.
I’ve got news for you. Trump was encouraged to run for president by the people. He was elected by the people of both parties.
Your poihh NY this mute on this as he was the farthest thing from a career politician as this country has elected in at least a hundred years. Get over your TDS. Your argument is baseless on the matter. Everyone, including you knows it too.
Which is more secure for elections... mail-in ballots or voting in person???
Which party is pushing for MORE mail-in ballots and which party for more in-person with a photo ID??
Seems pretty clear to me which party is more interested in cheating, whose voters would use that opportunity to cheat, while they vote to allow illegal immigrants who cheated the system to become voters.
However, I would welcome a public disclosure of any dead voters found, to see who they actually voted for... any bets??
Part of a bigger article from Jan 2021 on dead folks who voted. Found on a Google search about dead voters.
"2. What Were ‘Dead Voting’ Patterns in Past Elections?
The total number of votes cast in the names of dead voters in the 2020 election likely won’t be known for some time.
In 2016, the last presidential election year, 7,890 registered voters who were dead were credited with voting across 41 states.
The number declined in 2018 to 6,178, according to a report earlier this year from the Public Interest Legal Foundation, an election integrity watchdog.
The group actually got data from 42 states, but one-—Vermont—had recorded none of its 104 dead registrants as having voted. Three states—Illinois, Maine, and Maryland—withheld the data. In the remaining five states, the report says, “insurmountable gaps in the poor quality of the state’s data impaired the research.”
“Nine states either offer limited data or none at all to the public,” foundation spokesman Logan Churchwell told The Daily Signal.
Churchwell said similar numbers for the 2020 election are difficult to determine at this point.
The report by the Public Interest Legal Foundation found 349,773 apparently dead people listed on voter registration rolls in the 41 states covered by its study during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles.
New York, Texas, Michigan, Florida, and California accounted for 51% of the total names, according to the foundation.
Michigan is one of the states where the results are being litigated in the aftermath of the 2020 election. The names of 34,225 dead people are on the voter registration rolls. Of those, 104 were recorded as voting in 2016, and 97 in 2018.
Rounding out the top 10 with at least 11,000 dead registered voters each are Pennsylvania, South Carolina, North Carolina, Connecticut, Virginia, New Jersey, and Tennessee.
Pennsylvania, among the most contested states in the aftermath of the 2020 election, lists 16,685 registered voters who are dead, according to the foundation’s report. However, that number is now known to be more than 21,000, based on an amended lawsuit filed by the Public Interest Legal Foundation.
In 2018, the report shows 127 dead people on the voter rolls were recorded as voting in Pennsylvania. That’s 50 fewer than the 177 dead Pennsylvanians credited with voting in the 2016 election.
On a per capita basis, North Carolina leads the U.S. in dead registrants recorded as voting in 2016 and 2018, according to the foundation’s report. This year, Trump carried North Carolina, which was considered a battleground.
As for other states where the outcomes are being litigated after Election Day, Wisconsin ranks 16th with 6,805 dead registered voters in previous elections, according to the report. Of those, 163 were credited with voting in the 2018 midterms and 186 in the 2016 presidential election.
Georgia placed 20th in the report, with 4,243 dead registered voters in the previous elections. Of those, 12 were recorded as voting in 2018 and 17 in 2016.
The contested state of Nevada ranks at No. 22 with 3,258 dead registered voters in the previous two federal elections. Of those, four voted in 2018 and seven in 2016.
Arizona ranks 25th with 2,289 dead people on the voter rolls. Of those, 28 were credited with voting in 2018 and 23 in 2016.
The numbers are likely higher for 2020, von Sponvakovsky said.
“I would think it’s at the very least the same proportionally, and realistically, it’s higher because there was such a higher number of mail-in and absentee ballots used this year,” von Spakovsky told The Daily Signal. “It’s so much easier for a member of the family to cast a vote for a deceased relative.”
In a separate 2012 study, the Pew Center on the States found that about 24 million voter registrations were no longer valid or contained significant inaccuracies, while 1.8 million dead individuals were listed on voter rolls nationally.
A 2010 study by Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project asserts that, in a typical state, “1 in 40 counted votes in the 2008 general election cannot be matched to a registrant listed as having voted” and that “1 in 100 listed registrants is likely to be deceased.”
The 2010 study also concludes that “1 in 25 registration records is estimated to be deadwood, because of registrants who have not voted in a very long time, have moved elsewhere and re-registered, or are thought to be deceased.”
These votes can make a difference in an election, although it’s not likely, von Spakovsky said.
“It’s probably only if it’s a marginal victory,” von Spakovsky said. “Could it make a difference if the margin of victory is 10,000? Maybe. Could it make a difference if the margin of victory is 140,000? Probably not.” "
My wife, on a hunch in Oct 2020, called our county clerk when all these mail in ballots were going on because of the COVID thing. She wanted to verify our voter status because we could kind of see the writing on the wall with regards on how this mail in ballot thing was going to go. In our state of Nevada, Vegas rules and they are rife with socialist filth and there is a recent history of voter fraud here Long story short, she verifies our voting eligibility and party and on a whim, asked about her mother’s status as well . Yup, still good to go. Ballot returned and everything checked. Good to go. Thing is, her mom had had died 2 years prior. But she voted, god bless’er. Wouldn’t tell us how, but she by god voted. I called and checked on my parents and thankfully they were not on the registrar. So yeah, the nation needs to pull their collective heads out of their asses and fix this bullshit.
Death certificates at the very least should be sent to to the sec of state offices so these mail in travesties are at least somewhat mitigated.
" Death certificates at the very least should be sent to to the sec of state offices so these mail in travesties are at least somewhat "
Agreed, but that would require 50 states to each pass laws to that effect, plus regulations to ensure that the voter registration rolls were updated in a timely manner. (And then the state offices would piss and moan about how they're under budgeted and under staffed.)
I’m pretty sure that all 50 states already have laws on the books that should have prevented what happened from happening yet the Rona was used to bypass those laws. Pennsylvania is a prime example........
Trumps lawyers are about to lose their law license over the big lie but you all still push this crap. Anyone got any substantial convictions or court case with a favorable verdict. If not then STFU.
Shawn Magyar (village idiot) predicts some revelation from cyber ninjas (LMAO) and My Pillow Guy. Wanna bet?
11 soldiers died Ahole. So yeah we’re going to “push this crap” as you so callously called the death of American servicemen. Many of them in their early 20’s.
As the the law license it’s all political and won’t stand on appeal.
Not even sure why you’re commenting. You truly hate America. And not much of a Hunter either.
Why would anyone who voted for the same woke party which was unanimously supported by HSUS, PETA and the ASPCA be on a hunting forum? If you voted with HSUS and PETA for the woke party..... You are an ANTI HUNTER!
0-63 in election fraud lawsuits across multiple states. All either dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence. Some of them were dismissed by judges appointed by Trump himself. Yet, people still cling to the belief that the election was stolen. Wow.
I like the way some claim to have voted "Independent". Well, as far as making a difference you threw your vote away and helped Biden into office. You copped out!
"Trumps lawyers are about to lose their law license over the big lie but you all still push this crap. Anyone got any substantial convictions or court case with a favorable verdict. If not then STFU."
If it's such a slam dunk, open-and-shut case, why does it upset you so badly that we don't buy it?!
You're scared to death that voter ID may one day be required, yet you stand behind mandatory vaccination passports being required to eat at McDonald's?
Perhaps YOU should STFU? And while you're at it...GFY! Lol! You're too easy to rattle these days!
And so is Philly. Democrats are a disgrace for not only condoning it, but ignoring it. Especially when it’s there for all to see. Right KS? Right Dana? Right Matt and all you other liberal, democrat socialist communists?
Fellas.....you shouldn't let differing opinions bother you so much. So we all think differently....big deal. It's fun to have spirited banter and debate but at the end of the day....this is a hunting website where we all probably have more in common than we think. Vote/promote your conscience and don't sweat the small stuff. My humble two pennies.....
Wild uncontrolled immigration, inflation, unnecessary mandated masks & lockdowns, mess of a Afghanistan pullout, wide spread crime in dem lead cities, 3.5trillion new green deal, & now heavily dependant on middle east oil again. Does this sound great?
trublu, we have 50 states, 50 different legislatures. Not all are dominated by the same party. If one state drafted and passed a fair, enforceable law others might see the value in copying that effort. Who knows, it might even garner bipartisan support. Not holding my breath...
I guess all you guys that wouldn’t take ivermectin wouldn’t ever dare take any form of penicillin? Just because something is used on animals doesn’t mean it’s not safe and effective on humans. I live in cattle country and know plenty of people that have taken it. None have died. I can’t say the same for some that have left everything up to doctors following procedures pushed by Fauchi. Hell I’m pretty sure I get dewormed every time we work cattle and my nephew is running the ivermectin gun. Most medicines used in the animal world have a human counterpart that’s the same substance. They’ll just give it a different name and dose by 10 pound increments and not 100 pound increments.
I hope some of my monthly Tunnels to Towers donation goes to the families of the 13 brave Americans that had their lives taken from them. While helping others get to safety.
Lolz this religion touting.... Indeed lots of religion in Afghanistan. When the right/repubs say "religion" they mean Christianity. And when they say Christianity they mean "do as I say not as I do."
It's hypocrisy from top to bottom. The religious extremists from Afghan are no different than what we have brewing at home. Only difference is they follow a different version of the same story and eat pork.
Religion had a somewhat useful role some 500+ years ago. I mean much of it was simple laws and health codes(see Leviticus 13:45-46) and was a way to explain the unexplainable. But in modern society? Plain and simple religion is a detriment and will be the downfall of modern man/society. There will come a day where religious beliefs will be as common as flat earth believers, almost non-existent. Until then we have to deal with fallout of such beliefs.
I guess we know who that Jeff Tiedrich fella voted for?
My "Pro Tip" questions to him:
Can you explain why Biden is having to "rescue" those tens of thousands you speak of? (BTW....there are numerous civilian groups and NGO's who are doing a lot of rescuing)
Correct Dana!...commies! What do you call it when social media censors certain opinions?
Oh that's right...you guys are experts when it comes to "misinformation". You know when it's appropriate to stifle the opposition for the greater good. You know?...the way they do it on Facebook, Twitter, etc?!
I guess some people can't read and except the truth. I was in the service also, 1966 to 1970 when you were still shitting yellow! Give it up dump lost and is goint to jail!
70, did you actually CLICK on the link that was down for repair? By the OWNERS of the site, not 'shut down by them commies'. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant...
Our nation can survive a fool as a president. We cannot survive with the fools who vote for him, regardless of party. When we as a nation vote for a free lunch, thinking someone else will pay for it, we are screwed. Those ads saying you deserve this or are entitled to that are bull. No one owes you or me a thing except the opportunity to work for it. We are creating a nation of leeches.
They didn’t know the Afghan forces would collapse ans the Taliban would take over ….but they knew precisely the guilty one responsible for the suicide bombing as well as their exact location in one day. Yeah right. All a high level deal made in advance.
They didn’t know the Afghan forces would collapse ans the Taliban would take over ….but they knew precisely the guilty one responsible for the suicide bombing as well as their exact location in one day. Yeah right. All a high level deal made in advance.
I dont consider myself a Democrat nor Republican but if blows my mind that these far left Marxist politicians can even get on a ballot..we in bad shape cause somebody votes for them
"DANA one question are we better off under democratic rule/?/ yes or no answer"
Great question Lamb...Let's ask this of all bowsite lefties. How about it KS, BEG, etc. Are we better or worse off? Conservatives aren't allowed to voice their opinions, our military has a knife in their back, and COVID is the silent false rage of the century. This is what y'all voted for right? So...are you satisfied?
Man, I’m so Woke. I Woke up today at 6am to go work on some food plot and moving/clearing out tree stands. Listen to Don Williams Greatest Hits on the way and that Woke me up more. I never get tired of the Gentle Giant. Met a couple of hunting buddies at the spot and I’ll be danged if they also Woke up. Did some mowing and spraying. It was getting hot and I was definitely Woke by then. Got our stuff done and that Woke my hunting buddies up even more. Got home and unloaded. Now I’m less woke.
I’ll woke up tomorrow and get to work. Did anyone else Woke up today and do any hunting related stuff?
Im more Libertarian/conservative but Im not going to vote for my own demise by voting for Biden. As mentioned above, JFK was the last good president the Democrats have had..we've had some bad ones in both parties but the Democrat party is not even Liberal anymore..they are Marxist.
The only death on January 6th was to an unarmed military veteran.
Looking more and more likely that Repubs will retake both houses in 2022, even according to lefty pundits. Might be time for some impeachment payback. As we learned, Congress can impeach for pretty much anything.
KSFlatlander, the dems are the reason why all the officers are taking all the heat now. The rethoric from them has caused considerable more damage than what happened Jan 6th. I cant believe anyone can possibly feel we are better off now than before the election.
“ Then you own the deaths and injuries to all those police officers on January 6th.”
Since there weren’t any deaths of police officers on January 6th no one is “owning “ anything. Unless you’re referring to your ANTIFA buddies or BLM friends.
I have stated several times that Biden owns what happened in Afghanistan. And people died and were injured because of his decisions. You can’t minimize it.
Yet some of you minimize the deaths and injuries to police officers on January 6th. You minimize the injured police officers doing their job. Trump, Don Jr., and any of the other idiots that spoke the rally own all of it. But you all will continue to justify it.
You want all Biden voters to own any stupid crap Biden does but you own none of the stupidity of Trump. That’s about par.
If don jr was selling shitty paintings for 500k to unknown buyers itd be all over the news 24/7 but if hunter does it its fine. America better wake up and vote red in 2022 if you remotely like your country the way it is. Because radical changes have prevailing winds at the moment.
Leftwing Democrats that support ANTIFA and BLM have a lot more confession to make than any Trump supporters.
Jan 6th was a grade school cafeteria food fight compared to the months of ANTIFA and BLM riots and violence.
For example “ More than 2,000 law enforcement officers were injured in the first weeks of protests over the summer following the in-custody death of George Floyd, according to a report from the Major Cities Chiefs Association.
The Association detailed the unrest and compiled data from protests between May 25 and July 31 in MCCA member cities.
During that period, there were 8,700 protests nationwide; 574 were declared riots with violence and other criminal acts. “
2000 police officers injured by Leftwing nutjobs that have the same Political viewpoints and opinions as you. And that was just in the 1st few weeks and you portray Jan 6th as much worse.
As to cops being killed
“ The sniper who killed five Dallas police officers Thursday night as they guarded protesters at an anti-police brutality march was angry about recent shootings by police and “wanted to kill white people,” according to authorities. He was also an ardent BLM supporter”
The gunman was identified as Micah Xavier Johnson, 25, who was blown up by a police robot while holed up on the second level of a parking garage early Friday morning after negotiations with police broke down.”
No one is buying your BS anymore. The facts are indisputable.
Leftwing activist in 2020 killed and injured more people and police officers than any Pro Trump activists.
“In just 10 days, after George Floyd’s self induced death, your team caused nearly $2 Billion dollars in property damage across the Country. 10 days. Pro Trump activists didn’t do that in 7 years.
What mainstream media outlets have dubbed as "mostly peaceful protests" caused up to $2 billion in property damage in the first two weeks of protests alone, Axios reported Wednesday.
The report found that the damage caused by demonstrations from May 28 to June 8 cost insurance agencies anywhere from $1 to $2 billion—more than any other event of civil unrest in United States history. The total cost of damage throughout the summer "far outstrip[s]" the millions in damages caused by the Los Angeles riots in 1992
Jan 6th is an anomaly. And it’s been greatly exaggerated by your Team for political effect, but the facts prove your team is the real threat to peace, freedom, and Democracy.
Here’s a small list of cops killed or injured by your team. As of June 6th 2020.
"I have stated several times that Biden owns what happened in Afghanistan. And people died and were injured because of his decisions. You can’t minimize it."
Ok. But what does that mean? Will he be held accountable for his decision? See, He can say "I take full responsibility for what happened" but if there is no consequences for his colossal cluster phuc, it's just words. Empty. Words. And please, leave Trump out of it. A true leader doesn't deflect or blame others. He takes responsibility for his actions, owns it and faces the consequences. The man is no fit for office. The picture of his head hanging in shame proves it.
Just can't understand why supposedly educated, some highly, would vote for this man. It was clear he was unfit. Anyone with two firing brain cells knew he had ZERO foreign experience, unless you count bullying the Ukraine and then bribing them. Cuts our oil production and then asks OPEC and the Russians to open the faucet because of rising energy costs. Depends on the Taliban to provide safe passage. As Kathy asked a Bowsiter once, HYLYFM?
There you go again…my Team lol. I have continually condemned the violence of riots whatever the cause or person. I have never justified it. But Rupe can’t do the same as he has a team. It’s not a party or philosophy…it’s a single man. And he can justify ANYTHING for him. Just ask him. Unpatriotic and dangerous.
If you want to put me on a team then I’ll go with the constitution team.
Wild Bill is correct, I'm a Massachusetts man forever. Which, if you want to observe leftist lunacy up close is hard to beat. ;-) (Trust me, you don't know the half of it...)
As for 'my team' I stand four-square with the Capitol police, not the rioting extremists who assaulted our national legislature.
I see the blame game is starting. The Prez's person (Jake Sullivan) was dumping on the Generals in the op area for recommending to close some (or one other) of the bases. The response from folks in the know said that is not accurate. Get your popcorn.......
There are more registered Independents than Republicans. Won't be long before there will be more Independents than Democrats. I'm a Independent and get tired of both parties blaming each other for fking things up.
We've been pushing to open up hunting-on-Sunday for as long as I can remember, and it's still DOA in the legislature every year. I won't live long enough to see it.
Used to love my weekends in Vermont, drive up Friday after work, get home Sunday night at 11, and crawl into work at 6 the next morning. Knees would handle them little green mountains in those days ;-)
Shawm, I've said it before, if I retreat them bastards *win.* I'll keep on working to keep our shooting ranges open, and setting up the 3-D shoots, and to hell with the pols. Standing my ground, okay?
The capital incident should have never happened. The problem I have with the leftist is how double standard they are. Honestly, IMO, there are very few politicians on Capital Hill that care about the constitution...hell, I dont think most of em have a vlue. Both parties have been involved with ripping away our rights. But rhere are people, like my inlaws, that will vote for people like Biden...vote for their own destruction. The folks that entered the capital were a very small percentage of the number of people there that day. The truth is, if a white police officer had shot a black woman that day...we would be hearing a whole different story. I think only a fool would deny that
350,000 members of the Afgan Army, walked off of their posts / duty to their country in the advance of 70,000 of the Taliban. Their President fled the country !
They won't defend their own country !!!
This stupid war should have ended over over 16 years ago !
To blame this ridiculous war on anyone person or president is wrong. There is a lot of complicity here.
Remember President Dwight D. Eisenhower's, departing speech and warning,
Beware of the "Industrial Military Complex"
After spending nearly $2 Trillion dollars on this war, maybe just maybe a more rounded view of the current problem there is warranted.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat problem it is an American problem with how we have invested ourselves in senseless wars.
Yup, and now they'll have to 'replenish' all the weapons and hardware that got left behind. Keep that gravy flowing. (And make dam' sure your congresscritter gets a cut.)
I was a 19 year old working on a framing crew in 2001 when the towers were hit. Not sure how it was in the rest of the country but country boys and vets from other wars were HOT. If Bush wouldn't have done something who knows what would've happened. I remember an old man getting up in my face in a gas station. "You ready for war!? Get et ready to shoot some towelheads!" Uncomplicated times really.
I don't think folks are getting it. I have heard NO ONE say they opposed getting "out" of Afghanistan. Most agree now it was a mistake to stay and it was a tin can that president after president kicked down the road for years. Trump had a plan to get us out that relied on CONDITIONS to be met BEFORE we left. Never a hard fast no matter what date. Getting out is not the issue. It's about HOW and WHY House Plant and his Merry Band did it the way they did.
The way it was done..... sorry, it would be too easy to call it incompetence or "political". Again..... NOBODY is that incompetent. This is the most powerful military in the history of the planet. YOU make the terms, YOU make the demands and YOU tell them how it's going to go. And you MAKE that happen or else. You beef up where and if needed, you make your evacuations under security and retrieve your arms and equipment as necessary and destroy the rest, leaving nothing to the terrorists. You control whatever airports you need and the LAST thing that leaves are the guys that eliminate threats hundreds at a time. A military private, hell a 16 year old could have developed a better plan than the total FUBAR that happened.
We actually outsourced security at the airport in this last bombing. Gave them a hit list of who to go after. SMH...
This is no mistake, no accident. Planned and paid for. We have elected a President on someone else's payroll. And it was all KNOWN well before the election. Payments from China (they shared offices together even) Moscow, Ukraine, Soros, etc all documented.... but excused and hidden by a corporate globalist companies, globalist media for the Globalist cause. Enemy states, semi-enemy states and Soros communists/globalists. If you can't see what the left is about you really aren't paying a lick of attention, just following the shinny virtue signaling toys they dangle..... BLM is literally a Marxist entity, it WAS stated so on their website. ANTIFA, that's clear as day who they are as well as who supports them.
America FIRST is what they fear, it's why Trump was hated and feared. He was literally right when he said "it's not me they are after..... I'm just standing in the way...."
It's why ALL of this is happening, from the southern border, to actively disrupting domestic oil/energy, to covid response, to support of special interest activism to pit us against each other, Demonizing the right as "the greatest threat to our country since the Civil War and 9/11". Defund the police. The list is seemingly endless, perpetual outrage and victimhood. If they can't find any they literally manufacture it..... even a new word.... to Smollett....
All want to see a compliant obedient US brought to heel.
Left leaning folks want everyone to concentrate on previous administrations that ignored the Afghan situation. Calling for more rounded thought. It’s the same stuff over and over. Don’t blame the idiot who fouled up the withdrawal. Pass that buck on down to water out the simple idiocy and treason that took place.
It’s not a question of why he withdrew. It’s why he withdrew the way he did. That has only one blame. Period. And there were ulterior motives that caused. Because NO one is as dumb or inept as his actions suggested.
Yup Dana loves Mass with its never ending gun control, Union domination, free health care and welfare for lazy people who refuse to work and I’m trying to get the hell out.
Spike, I love my life here IN SPITE OF all that bullcrap. If I were a younger man I might feel otherwise but I've planted my flag. "J'y suis, J'y reste."
Just talked to a buddy that I played rugby with who was an “operator”. He is about as hot as he could get. The Washington Post has a story that the Taliban offered to stay out of Kabul.
Apparently, a buddy of his was on Fox expressing some of the displeasure that many of these guys are feeling.
I am not a military guy, but if this story is true, I am astounded. How could anyone make a decision like that? There are some higher ranking individuals who should be held accountable for this level of ineptitude.
Dana what’s to love here? The never ending new taxes, never ending gun control, high home and land prices, zero habitat improvement? I don’t get it, to each their own.
If a liberal gun control advocate ever opens their mouth about the subject to me or anyone of like mind, we have a perfect example of how untrustworthy our government is with regard to leaving/having weapons in the wrong hands. If you support HOW this administration 'left the field' then you are part of the problem and probably too stupid to see it any other way.
PS *these* are some of the *opportunities* you had this weekend to support local clubs, shoot some arrows and help to keep the sport of archery strong. There are folks on this forum who have to travel for *hours* to enjoy what we have in abundance. Did you dig in and help?
I spent a good part of Sunday at a slug shoot banging guns and making noise with some good folks who are doing their best to keep the shooting sports alive here. Even got a great laugh of a story out of it. Beats hell out of p&m'ing about 'the liberals.'
PPS " zero habitat improvement " ? Have you seen Herman Covey or Brookfield WMA's lately? Or the work being done on f&g clubs? Get off the couch, bro'.
Since we all know the only way the US is going to get out the remaining hostages in Kabul is by paying billions more in ransom, I think those dollars should come exclusively from Biden voters. Add that to the $87 billion. It’s only fair. He’s your boy. Own it.
He sure as hell ain’t my president. I swear this stumbling, bumbling, mumbling boob grampa can’t even string 3 words together without stopping or stuttering. My god how on god’s green earth could anyone possibly vote for this 100% certified dolt? Regardless of party affiliation. Mind boggling.
He took the bullet for telling it like it is. I can see why he was relieved. What he did as an active duty military person was publicly circumvent the chain of command with his views and you can't do that. However.....I think he made a calculated decision and knew he would be kicked out. His stock is now much higher and he brings to light the question I'm sure many in the military are quietly asking about their leaders. If no one is held accountable at the highest levels, the troops will loose confidence in their leaders and the military. That's not good for the country. I can see his future following in the steps of LTCOL Allen West.
Marines Stand Up for Lt. Col. Scheller's Call for 'Accountability'
By Eric Mack | Sunday, 29 August 2021 12:42 PM
The Marine relieved of his command for using a Facebook video to call for accountability from leadership after the deaths of 13 U.S. service members in the suicide bombing is not backing down.
Lt. Col. Stuart Scheller, a 17-year veteran just three years from full pension, is also garnering some support from fellow Marines for his "real courage" for speaking out, the New York Post reported.
"The baby boomer's turn is over," Scheller, 41, told the Post, saying "every generation needs a revolution." "I demand accountability, at all levels. If we don't get it, I'm bringing it."
Marines who served under Scheller stood behind him.
"It takes real courage to do what he did and that was Stu all the way," Juan Chavez, 33, who served under Scheller 2011-2014, told the Post. "He was a magnificent leader, a breath of fresh air, who was always going to do what's right, even if it goes against the grain."
Scheller's father, Stuart Sr., called his son "the real deal, a Marine's Marine."
"People will follow him to the ends of the earth," Stuart Scheller Sr. told the Post. "He has put his life on the line for fellow Marines, so putting his career on the line like this does not surprise us."
Scheller Jr. was praised for his four-minute, 45-second Facebook video calling for accountability from leadership for the 13 dead U.S. service members and at least 169 Afghans civilians, but he was also warned to take it down from people standing behind him.
"Obviously, I didn't take it down," Scheller wrote in a later Facebook post. "I'll offer this . . . we can't ALL be wrong. If you all agree . . . then step up. They only have the power because we allow it. What if we all demanded accountability?"
Scheller called out Marine Corps Commandant Gen. David H. Berger, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, and White House Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley.
"People are upset because their senior leaders let them down, and none of them are raising their hands and accepting accountability or saying, 'We messed this up,'" he said.
His father noted his son idolized his World War II veteran grandfather who landed on the beach at Normandy.
"He's still on the battlefield protecting his men and women," Scheller Sr. told the Post. "It's interesting that no one has answered his call for accountability. Their answer was to fire him I guess. It's a sad day for America."
Scheller Jr., who received Combat V for Valor and a Bronze Star, is a married father of three boys who lives in Jacksonville, N.C.
The Facebook video has had more than 30,000 likes and comments.
"Proud to have served under your command sir, we'll follow you to the pits of hell and back," Zach Olbrys of Worcester, Mass., wrote.
Another predicted a future run for political office.
"I see a seat in Washington in your near future!!" Ryan Holland of Lexington, Kentucky, wrote. "It was always an honor serving with you sir! Semper Fi!"
Last thing. The clowns demanding we blame Trump for the protesting that turned South on January 6th want us to condemn Trump for it. They also banged the gongs…loudly…for impeachment. They supported his impeachment over a stupid phone call too.
Now Biden does something 10000 times worse and not a peep about Biden needing to be impeached. Not a single word.
Oh they said “he owns it” and we “kinda blame him”. But they have not said he should be impeached.
Again Biden’s action precipitated the death of over a dozen Americans with more to follow. Biden’s actions have left hundreds of Americans stranded surrounded by the enemy. Biden’s actions will result in the enslavement and sexual abuse of untold numbers of young girls and women.
Biden’s actions have given the enemy Billions of dollars of sophisticated weapons that will eventually be used against American citizens.
But not a single call for him to go by the resident Lefties. Not a single Lefty has said “yeah I supported Trump’s impeachment and Biden needs to go too.”
Rocky, for all we know these could be *former* Afghan Army guys who swarmed to join the Taliban. We spent a trillion dollars to build an 'army' that melted like cotton candy. Doubt they'll be any more use now than they were three weeks ago.
Dana, all that tree cutting everywhere is due to the gypsy moths killing the trees not habitat improvement. And yes I’ve been to Herman every year with my bird dog. I have also been to the club shooting and checking cams so no I’m not on the couch.
The majority of America pertaining to leadership has this issue… we are a people who has been so spoiled by Gods goodness, we have forgotten where our goodness comes from: We take God out of the courthouse and judgement is perverted, we take God out of Law/enforcement, and law is confusing, we take God out of our schools, and schools become a cage of every foul spirit, we take God out of our politics, and we get the love of money, we take God out of the home, and the home loses all purpose, and finally we take God out of humanity and we call evil good and good evil… what’s left? Now this is not the case everywhere, but this truth is witnessed more and more daily by the moment… and when such abounds, every form of leadership falls from a godly standard… we have went as far today to take Jesus Christ out of the church, and when this happens, they bring in the entertainment band, remove holiness, come as you are regardless of who you are, and people are welcomed to stay how they are instead of God making them who they need to be, like Jesus Christ. Sunday for most Christians means nothing, the majority of professing believers today when hunting season starts skip church for a deer, bad priorities in my opinion, and to all dads who talk about loving God and then violated His word, your children are watching you and your influence Will effect them one way or another, it’s supposed too (I’m talking about Sunday hunters instead of Sunday worshippers) I’m not casting a stone, don’t need to do that, it is what it is. If America wants to return to its joy, power, peace, prosperity, and purpose…and real leadership it starts with Gods Son Jesus Christ. This has been witnessed for over 6000 years, nothing new here. When God is obeyed there is a blessing… when God is rejected there is a curse, some call it karma, but no such thing exists, it’s sowing and reaping. When Israel wanted a king (President), God gave them Saul, what a mess that was, here’s the point, God gave the people the kinda king (President) they deserved, Saul was a High example of what the people were in that day, this is it with today, God help us!
pit, I agree... but for some reason God is very patient with us. God looks at our hearts and souls and bestows grace upon us even in our sinful nature. Christ said to some effect wars and rumors of wars, sons against fathers, great plagues and natural calamities... these are but the pangs of things to come... trust in the Almighty and you will sleep well in all this chaos.
"I have not seen you speak out against the $3.5 trillion dollar infrastructure so why are we so concerned about the cost of twenty years of safety for 330 million Americans! "
Do I even need to *say* that there will be pork by the barrel in that bill? But it's off topic.
I'm not convinced that occupying a hostile 3rd world shithole like AFG kept Americans safe. We could have *leveled* 'Tora Bora' and said, 'we can come back and do this to any place you use to give sanctuary our attackers, and we will.' Then come home. Instead we played at building a country and an army that wasn't worth a hill of piss. Why? (Hint - military spending makes _a few_ people mighty rich.)
Rocky, the people getting rich (and/or re-elected) on military spending come from both sides of the aisle. This is one of the true 'bipartisan' agreements in DC today.
As for 'military strategy' the decision to stay in AFG was made way before Biden was President. (Although he probably supported it.)
Hey Dana, what part of this debacle has/is still escaping you?
This predicament and, your basis for even commenting since it’s happened, has been about the US military being there in the first place. However, You refuse to talk about the real issue. Which was/is the way the withdrawal was implemented and carried out.
You can keep on steering the discussion away from that but, nobody cares. Let’s discuss what the moron in office did. How he did it. And, the cost executing the withdrawal the way he did. Lets not put put blinders on and blame everyone else like you keep insisting on doing.
Okay, do you really believe that IF Trump had been re-elected he would have done it SO MUCH better?
Like it or not, believe it or not, Biden won the election, and got us out of AFG. Could it have been done 'better'? Probably , but NO candidate showed us EXACTLY how he or she would do just that. So comparing Biden's performance to some mythical ideal is just smoke-blowing.
(And yes, losing those soldiers sucks. Same as it has sucked since the Shrub days. I'm just thankful we're out of there.)
"Okay, do you really believe that IF Trump had been re-elected he would have done it SO MUCH better"?
It's tough to find Generals, that fully support the milky-licking semi-Socialistic agenda, that the Biden Administration is pushing...Sleepy Joe magically managed to find some.
This is the outcome of their approach to the situation. So...would it have been different with Trump? I'm going with "Yes"!
"Okay, do you really believe that IF Trump had been re-elected he would have done it SO MUCH better? Biden won the election, and got us out of AFG."
So you agree with the way it was done? I have no doubt that even YOU would have done a better job.
This would be a good segway for you to tell us the other things that China joe has done to improve things. You won't admit voting for him, but you sure do tout his ill-executed actions.
I figure this withdrawal/surrender FUBAR was mostly due to White Rage..... that's what the generals are studied up on. Winning wars and military strategy is passe, ya knuckle draggers.... nobody wants to talk that at cocktail parties.
Deep State Dept philosophers and Masters Degrees says the Taliban are really good hearted people that mean well.... just have to talk nice and give em a chance to be part of the global community.... be their friend..... trust them... it'll be fine, no worries. Everybody in the end just wants to be liked.... Guessing Trump voters still on the terrorist lists along with folks that don't like masks but not a clue how many real terrorists from the open southern borders much less from the latest cluster air lifts. No matter, they are all the same as the folks that just blew up our soldiers. That is verbatim.
All of which is right down the same pipes with "defund the police", etc. Same flippin' people. With the same Great Ideas. With the same Globalist Plan.
Incompetent? No, not hardly. Insane? Perhaps. Evil megalomaniacs? Quite likely.
This is just in the first 8 or 9 months.... "it doesn't matter who is elected or which party is in charge" Good grief, some folks you can't even slap the stupid out of when stupid is in style and you must flash the signalling of your virtues.....
"The POS of the US is blaming Trump and the Afghans live on TV right now."
And he's talking as though his evacuation was the largest and most successful ever!!! But the rest of the mess is Trumps fault!
Maybe that's the part that Dana is proud of...after all, every turd is eligible for a polish job, regardless of its lack of ability to shine naturally.
While Prez Trump was in office, he had a methodical departure plan that would hold the Tali's in check if they didn't follow thru. By all appearances....it was working at that time.
We will never know how it would have finished out because Prez Biden chose to go his own route when he came into office. We know how Prez Biden's plan is working/worked.....he owns it!
It would be great if a few of the past Prez's would drop the politics, dig into their pockets and spend some of that book money they got and get our remaining folks and friends out.
man dana whats happened to you. i see your state is welcoming the afgans with open arms. the boston globe reported a while ago that the illegals in mass. cost the taxpayers in excess of 2 billion dollars a year! might as well add more to the pot??? did they ever pass that bill where the illegals could go to u-mass for free. what a fkin joke. and thats only the tip of the iceberg in the people's republic of mass.
"Why would people who voted for the same administration as PETA, HSUS, and the ASPCA be on a hunting forum? "
This shows the ignorance some of the right have. Believe it or not there are many democrats that are hunters. Don't paint everyone with the same brush used to paint the fringe.
Another reason is that there are many conservatives that could never support the previous President because of who he is, not because they oppose conservative agenda items.
"there are many conservatives that could never support the previous President because of who he is, not because they oppose conservative agenda items. "
Bingo. Also independents and libertarians.
The US allied itself with Russia to get rid of the Nazis during WWII. Doesn't make the US a 'commie' country, does it?
Couldn't get over yourself long enough to vote for policy you agree with.Its not a vote for Homecoming King.I thought he was a dick I voted for him for the Supreme Court,lower taxes,secure borders,stronger military,jail reform,renegotiating NAFTA,getting out of World accords where we pay everyone's way and getting NATO to pay for their own protection.
"Its not a vote for Homecoming King.I thought he was a dick I voted for him for the Supreme Court,lower taxes,secure borders,stronger military,jail reform,renegotiating NAFTA,getting out of World accords where we pay everyone's way and getting NATO to pay for their own protection."
^.....this. I was a Cruz guy....still am actually. However at the end of the day our choices were Hillary or Trump. My golden goose was the SCOTUS picks. I, like millions of others, did not want Hillary anywhere close to the White House. The country was lucky. So with that in mind.....some political satire and humor. This is still Hil-arious today.
My post was not about voting for Trump,it was about hunters voting for Biden. Biden is unanimously supported by HSUS, PETA and the ASPCA, same as Obama was. I wonder why?
I dont have to like somebodys looks, personality or how they dress..I look at what they want to do. Lots of Republicrats didn't want Trump because they themselves have no backbone. Big government politicians on both sides dont want anyone upsetting their political machine
Exactly right TGB! He’s not one of them and not for sale. And didn’t have to promise free stuff to line his pockets or rely on corrupt politicians from either side of the aisle. The swamp phucked America and Americans when they inserted these clowns.......
Mike, I've watched Trump since the mid-90's. My contempt for him has little to do with his policies, and everything to do with his "I'm rich, so the rules don't apply to me" attitude. I don't give a damn who else opposes him or why. My reasons only have to suit me. I can respect your reasons for voting for him, even if we express different priorities when casting our votes.
Danac, sound like you are describing Bill n Hillary, they should have been in prison long ago. Trump said a lit of things lot of people think but wont say. Did I agree with his tactics all the time? No. Obama was very charismatic for sure but he was one of the worse presidents in US history. I lost no love for Bush either...either one. I dont call Biden and his cronies Liberals anymore...they are NOT Liberals...they are Marxist
Clay, I bear no love for Biden but consider this - he kept the real Marxist away from the Oval Office - I refer to that sack of wormy beechnuts from Vermont aka 'Bernie.'
I'm OK with people who couldn't vote for Trump based on his character. But voting for Hillary or Joe thinking it was a vote for better character was ridiculous.
a lot of dems hunt, as evidenced here and all other hunting websites
I'd say their numbers are in the thousands, maybe many thousands
just too bad that the other hundred million plus are staunchly on the other side, so much so that they would gladly end your ability to exercise your right to pursue happiness in the field
"who he is".....besides the scapegoat for the current disgrace, he did an outstanding job of following through on campaign promises
"Another reason is that there are many conservatives that could never support the previous President because of who he is, not because they oppose conservative agenda items."
Wrong again Phil - those are called Rhinos not Conservatives. Trump received more votes than any Republican in history....his were legit.
A lot of Democrats hunt..thats why it baffles my mind why they would vote for someone that seeks to take away the right to own guns, not to mention they support the anti hunting crowd. Maybe they will wakeup but by that time it will be too late Im afraid
A lot of Democrats hunt..thats why it baffles my mind why they would vote for someone that seeks to take away the right to own guns, not to mention they support the anti hunting crowd. Maybe they will wakeup but by that time it will be too late Im afraid
I’m too am disgusted at all American and Afghan lives wasted. I’m pissed about the equipment and money given to our enemy. But I’ll not get my news from social media.
Biden said today in his rambling speech that withdrawing was a "brave and courageous decision". Referring to himself, of course, after blaming Trump for the decision that he was bound by, just a few weeks ago. What a piece of garbage this old man is. All you Biden voters should be proud. At least they are keeping Harris in the basement somewhere so she won't laugh hysterically when asked about the service members killed and Americans left behind.
“ I’m too am disgusted at all American and Afghan lives wasted. I’m pissed about the equipment and money given to our enemy. But I’ll not get my news from social media.”
You were a vocal supporter of both Trump impeachment’s that were nothing but Partisan politics. Do you support Biden being impeached after this fiasco in Afghanistan?
With all the finger pointing on this thread hasn't anyone realized that for all the talk, nothing is going to change because you posted your opinion on Bowsite?
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye. Luke 6:41&42
What have YOU DONE in the last year to improve or save your country?
Yes, based on the evidence and hearings I was for Trump impeachment. Both times. I’m not against Congress using the powers given to them to impeach Biden. I would hold my opinion on Biden impeachment until after the evidence hearings…if they happen. With that said, I would like to see hearings due to the incompetent way the withdrawal happened. I honestly can’t see a legit reason why it happened the way it did. He is the commander in chief. He should have to answer for it. But the democrats are no different then the republicans. They will try to justify a wrong to stay in power. Despicable. It seems very few have the guts to call their own party out anymore. Party before country is to rule of the day. There is very little honor anymore.
If they want to go through the impeachment process on Biden over this then I’m for it. Lay out exactly how this happened. Who said and did what. Why did it happen this way. Hold him accountable and make him and his cabinet answer the questions publicly. Too much misinformation and knee jerk reaction out there. Just like itshots post. I want to know and then I’ll decide if I’m for impeachment but I’m all for Congress using their oversight powers. That’s our constitutional process and I’m 100% in on the constitution. It has to be our guiding light through this complete s#%tshow that has become our partisan political government.
“What have YOU DONE in the last year to improve or save your country?“
I met a guy today for the first time and he had a Trump hat on. Man, I really do not like Trump. I welcomed him into my home and talked with him for two hours and did him a personal favor. Super nice guy who obviously loved his family. Maybe that will help show that we are people first and Americans second so we all have something in common.
KS......knowing what we know now about that evidence that was presented as facts back then....do you still think the evidence against Prez Trump was valid or legit enough to warrant an impeachment?
I don't trust Congressional leaders to always get things right. Those swamp creatures have been around too long. That's why I'm a proponent of Congressional term limits....but I digress.
I don’t trust the Democrats that held the hearings either. I listen to Trumps own words on the call and I felt it was very dangerous for an American president to ask a foreign leader to do him a political favor against his political opponent. I also listen to the ambassadors and other witnesses and it confirmed my initial view of Trumps conversation with the Ukrainian president. I thought the evidence was there to justify impeachment. The second impeachment to me was without question. Trumps words and actions before, during, and after January 6th absolutely made him culpable for the his supporters trying to stop a constitutional process. He created the weather then was so surprised that it rained and stormed. IMO it was the lowest point in our history in my lifetime…just my opinion from my perspective. But of course we didn’t get the public hearings and trial due to party first politics.
So, how many of you politically obsessed guys are going hunting/ scouting tomorrow? My alarm is set for 4 am. Enjoy your obsession, bitches. I’ll be searching for elk. Matt
KS.....was then VP Biden's call to the Ukraine's forcing them to fire the prosecutor who was investigating Burisma acceptable? Recall he boasted about his phone call telling them (Ukraine's) to fire the prosecutor if they want the U.S. aid money. IMO.....Hunter's laptops will be the undoing of a few people....maybe even Joe.
WRT Trump's Jan 6th deal.....he told those people to march peacefully....some didn't listen. The FBI investigation recently concluded there was no insurrection. That word gets tossed around a lot in the media and by politicians to stir emotions.
I think a few things hurt the Dems in that whole process. Rep Adam Schift who was leading the impeachment "trial", among other things, got caught lying. Pelosi's rush to do a second impeachment after the election was over then became more of a question of why? Well.....she is afraid Trump will run again and she was using the impeachments as a vehicle to prevent Trump from running in 2024. I believe the NY AG investigating Trump's businesses is attempting the same thing. We'll see how that plays out.
JL- if Biden or his son did something illegal or unethical then I’m all for congressional hearing and the verdict that comes with it. But we know that both sides go to party politics first. So the rest of us get screwed on the deal.
I guess it is pretty amazing how many hunters, because of someone else's bad personality, voted against their very own principles. I cannot imagine being so weak I would betray myself over another person's tough behavior. I guess that is what some are saying caused hunters to become anti hunters. Hard for me to imagine being so conflicted I lose my own principles and self worth. I will leave it at that.
"From: Missouribreaks 01-Sep-21Private Reply I guess it is pretty amazing how many hunters, because of someone else's bad personality, voted against their very own principles. I cannot imagine being so weak I would betray myself over another person's tough behavior. I guess that is what some are saying caused hunters to become anti hunters. Hard for me to imagine being so conflicted I lose my own principles and self worth. I will leave it at that." Missouribreaks:
Why is it Democrat/liberal/marxist? Why are both sides always labeled by the extreme? Most of the country, whether republican of democrat, is moderate. The fringes make the most noise but much of the country falls in the middle.
It's not realistic to think that people have one principle and are single issue voters. Many of us former republicans didn't vote against our principles because of what we saw in Trump. We voted in line with the majority of our principles and understand the consequences.
A moderate is someone that srands for pretty much nothin. To follow the constitution it would be impossible to be a moderate. It would also be impossible to support big government Democrats and big government Republicans. Was Trump perfect? No. But I voted for him because Im tired of both parties stripping away my rights and ignoring the constitution...of course thats nothing new but I believe 90% of our problems we ever had in this country would simply be avoided by following core principals of the constitution. That includes slavery. Frederick Douglas: " the problem is not the constitution, but the interpretation of it"
"As I get older and see what is happening I'm about at the point where I believe that I have NOTHING in common with today's Democrat/Liberal/Marxist."
Rather, the question is, what do we have in common today with the founding fathers who created the government? Many understand that we have been blessed by what they created, but fail to understand the differences between their creation and the monster we have today, and who is to blame for the departure from the origins.
"A moderate is someone that srands for pretty much nothin. To follow the constitution it would be impossible to be a moderate. "
It is a mistake to believe that. You've been misinformed.
I absolutely support the Constitution. And it's clear that most administrations, particularly the previous one, will try everything possible to work around it in many cases. And they should be held accountable.
It appears to me that biden's only goal was to put a feather in his cap. I'm sure an adviser somewhere said that every other president has failed to end this war for 20yrs, you'll be considered the best if you do it. So he told the military to evacuate without giving consequences a second thought to anything other than looking good for himself via accomplishing something others couldn't.
Apparently there are still special forces in country trying to pull out Americans. Many, retired guys who have gone back in. Supposedly acting unilaterally, with no support, no supply, no reinforcement. If this is true, I cannot imagine the stones on those guys.
And I wonder how this administration is going to handle and treat them if they get caught and survive.
Phil, I agree..if they violate the constitution..thats not good at all. We even have amendments that violate the constitution..supported by both parties. I dont see how I could support the constitution and support abortion, gun control , immoral taxe systems, mandated mask, mandated vaccines, redistribution of wealth, Patriot Act, ..not to mention regulations that restrict the economy
I suspect for both parties...it goes something like this.....
Do some legislation knowing it goes beyond the Constitution and then let the SCOTUS reduce the legislation back to the top of the ceiling of what the Constitution allows.
woods walker - ""I absolutely support the Constitution." But you vote Democrat??? Obviously the 2A is NOT part of the Constitution you support. "
I do support the Second Amendment. Despite all the fearmongering, my Second Amendment rights haven't been infringed. I still own lots of guns and have a License to Carry that is recognized in numerous states.
“Despite all the fearmongering, my Second Amendment rights haven't been infringed.”
The only reason is because the people on the Right are fighting for the 2nd amendment. Here’s the facts.
“ A lone Democratic House candidate and no Democratic Senate candidates received A grades from the NRA this year, while 92 percent flunked. It’s a dramatic departure from 2010, when more than a quarter of Democrats received A’s. Meanwhile, the share of Republicans with A’s this year is virtually unchanged from past elections, at 94 percent. And the share receiving F’s has fallen to nearly 1 percent, after a slight uptick in 2018. Once a coveted designation that could make or break a campaign, the NRA’s grading system is now mostly a reflection of the country’s ideological divide.”
So the point is you still have gun rights because the Right has stopped the Left. Not because the Left supports the 2nd Amendment. Your argument is disingenuous.
re wildBill " the question is, what do we have in common today with the founding fathers who created the government? Many understand that we have been blessed by what they created, but fail to understand the differences between their creation and the monster we have today, and who is to blame for the departure from the origins. "
On that we agree. I'd also point out that at least one founder spoke in favor of ' a government of Laws and not of men.' And yet we spend a lot of time arguing about the foibles of various men and women in government, on both sides, who we have failed to properly constrain. I think we agree that term limits would help prevent any one person garnering too much power.
Phil, "Your argument is disingenuous." I'll second that observation, since I've seen you there before. Like when you told me that Ronald Reagan would have supported government health care, c'mon man.
JL,
" when folks begin to craft legislation"
So how and when is that ever going to happen? Who are the "folks"?
TGBow - I was going to let all this go but I need some clarity from you on this. Have you even read the Constitution? -
"Phil, I agree..if they violate the constitution..thats not good at all. We even have amendments that violate the constitution..supported by both parties. I dont see how I could support the constitution and support abortion, gun control , immoral taxe systems, mandated mask, mandated vaccines, redistribution of wealth, Patriot Act, ..not to mention regulations that restrict the economy "
Can you show me where the Constitution says anything about abortion? And the Constitution says this about taxes "Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States". I understand immoral may be open to interpretation but the Constitution doesn't differentiate.
The Constitution gives states the power to protect public health -that's where the mask mandates have come from. The same with regulations that restrict the economy. The Constitution gives those powers to the states.
2WildBill, I'm not sure who you are talking to but I never said or believed that Reagan would support government health care. Must have been a different Phil.
Phil, murder has been illegal for centuries. The right to Life, Linerty and the pursuit of happiness. Unborn children have their own DNA just like all the rest of us..scientificly, that makes the unborn child its own person. You sound like some of the politicians in the 19th century...people should have the right to own slaves if they choose. Frederick Douglas has an insightful stance on that as far as the constitution
Very sad story coming out from the families that met with your president Biden upon return of these service members remains. Very strange for a leader to try to tell his story of his past losses for grieving parents and family.When challenged that he was to blame for her son or daughters death with one Marines mother "Mr Biden turned his back and walked away throwing up his hand as it to say whatever". Very sad to hear of this mans behavior. Zap
Nope, it was you. Because you said that all conservatives would support government run health care because it keeps the cost down(not really), and that because Reagan was in power at an earlier time, he didn't see that advantage. You were re-defining what conservatives stand for. Fact is, Reagan clearly understood what government health care amounted to, as people control, and openly opposed it in his day.
Leftists are always busy burning books or altering their original meaning, basically lying.
It doesnt mention stealing a person"s Camaro either...so I guess thats ok? You mentioned you carry a firearm, are you aware that the leftist have an agenda to take away that right? The only reason they havent is because organizations have been fighting them for years. But, if you voting for these Marxist then dont be surprised if that changes..all it takes is enough leftist judges to screw that up. Republicans are guilty also but my point is the Democrats are not JFK Democtats, my dad voted for JFK, they are not even Liberals ...they are Marxist. Even myv17 year old daughter understands that, amd she jas a mind of her own..I didnt convince her of her views.
2 WildBill, I don't recall the context but I do know that a single-standard healthcare system, modeled after Medicare and implemented through private insurers, would absolutely save money. I spent a large portion of my career in that field and know it would cost significantly less.
Also, I'm not redefining conservatism. That's taken place over the past several years to the point that Reagan today would not be considered a conservative because he hels some moderate views.
As far as what Reagan would or would not support, you are wrong but I can understand why you think the way you do because of how information is presented today. He had multiple views but, ultimately he did not openly oppose it.
Where people get the idea Reagan opposed the government being in healthcare comes from his words before running for President. Before he was President he opposed compulsory healthcare and opposed Medicare for that reason. But he favored government subsidies for healthcare, at least when he wasn't criticizing it as "...curtailing Americas' freedom".
But, after becoming President, he changed his views, became more pragmatic, and passed the largest Medicare expansion in decades and was willing to raise taxes to do it. Those taxes were later removed by George H. W. Bush.
TGBow, Of course it doesn't mention stealing a Camaro or anything. And no that's not OK but it's not a Constitutional item from a federal viewpoint, the Constitution lets the states deal with that.
Of course I'm aware of the leftist agenda. That doesn't mean I support it. And I never voted for a Marxist. It's short-sighted to label anyone that voted for a democrat as marxist.
If anyone voted for Biden they supported Marxism..all you have to do is look at what and whom they support. My father inlaw did..he is a good man as Im sure you are. I just think some people can be naive when it comes to voting..Democrat or Republican
"The Constitution doesn’t mention murder. And it doesn’t define when life begins."
It doesn't have to, nor should it. It was and is meant to be understood. The Constitution is a document to outline the forming of laws and defining limits of government. People in 1790 were a hell of lot more in touch with reality than we are today....
It’s ludicrous to state someone doesn’t know the views of another man, to only defend doing so by stating they know the other mans beliefs.
As far as drawing lines, the Constitution didn’t define life at birth. While I can’t ask them, it was obvious the a large majority of the founding fathers were largely followers of God. Who did define life. Who did define morality. So, it’s cool to patsy around acting as if assumptions only apply to what you find relevant. But, it just ain’t so.
The constitution doesnt mention a lot of things but tje core principal is there. As HDE mentioned, the founders were far more wise than politicians today. We know today that life begans at conception( religious beliefs off the table), just from a scientific perspective. The right to life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness says a lot. If we can dehumanize a group of people(as in slavery), why shouldnt a person have the right to own slaves? Why shouldnt a person have the right to take your possessions? Or the right to plunder, rape and murder? We errored greatly when it came to slavery, and Jim Crowe laws...states do have rights but what good is tje constitution if a state has the right to ensalve you, tsll where you can go or where you can eat,or take away your rightvto carry a handgun, ect. We've lost all common sense in todays culture, and its evident at election time.
Obamacare was designed to fail-it was designed to make the system so expensive people would accept "single payer" Single Payer=Government run Health Care.Then the Govt decides who gets the kidney transplant and a panel of doctors control it.
Suddenly Sarah Palins death panels arent so ridiculous. Ask a German about health care.
Mike, we have over 100 years of Socialist, Communist, Marxist countries to reflect back on thru out history but yet some people in this country cant seem to look at whats going on in the US and connect the dots
If you didn't have a Declaration of Independence, you wouldn't have had a Constitution. The two are intertwined with principles of governance and are complimentary documents to be understood together. Both were forged in Independence Hall and there were six people there who signed both. Ben Franklin being one of those men was also an editor of both documents.
Justin and HDE, Phil has tried to sidetrack Constitution argument by saying murder was not mentioned in the Constitution. But it is, as a police matter to be managed by the states, not a federal government which was created to bond the states. Policing is better handled at a state level, unless of course you want the Federal Police Force that Obama wanted. Hmmmmm, could that be why defunding local police is so popular with the Democrats, a back door to federal police who are absolutely as just and right as the federal government is today?
A couple of years ago the left tried to define the freedom of speech as meaning only approved press outlets and not an individual right.
I think what chaffs them most is that the founders understood and outlined the American people as sovereign with rights from the laws of nature and nature's God. Therefore, government has always tried to stand in God's place and define right from wrong for you, instead of being limited to protect your rights from God as pointedly written in the Constitution. Remember this, anytime they want to trample your rights, it is for your own good(not).
"It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." - Patrick Henry
You are correct Phil. I thought I made that real clear.
It’s the foundation of what those assumptions are based on, that largely defines if it’s accurate or not. And, there is more then enough evidence to suggest that’s likely right concerning the founders.
FWIW, I never remembered Reagan suggesting government healthcare was a cheaper option. The first time I heard that was your claims.
4Nolz, your comment is how misinformation becomes fact. I was working in our state's Governor's Office of Health Care Reform when Obamacare was drafted and passed. We paid particularly close attention to it and our office was a contributor of information to the feds.
Your other comments about who decides who decides about transplants or death panels are also so wrong and was and is fearmongering. That stuff all goes on today. And it happens in a controlled way. And the death panel stuff was just a ridiculous attempt to scare people. Medicare providers are tasked with providing end-of-life guidance. There was a plan to have that a more prominent task for providers and the senate removed that from the bill. It never was death panels, it was Palin's writers trying to scare scare people.
The Constitution does in fact make reference to life. "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law..." ~ 5th Amendment, Bill of Rights, United States Constitution.
This is where the SCOTUS in Roe v. Wade were grossly in error and negligent in their interpretation of the Constitution. The authors that penned our Constitution did not feel the need to define when life began because only Godless men need that defined for them...
I dont think some people are willing to reflect on history and current governments that are Socialist, Marxist...the evidence is there to research...it doesnt work, nor does the government have the authority to force government healthcare or any other kind of Socialist type BS on us..but some people are willing to let them
Not at all. What's weak and pathetic is trying to force religious views on others and using misrepresentation as scare tactics. Nobody wants to open the border or cancel history. That's just right wing dog whistles and they work so well with some people.
I'm not riding a fence and I"m not preaching. I have my beliefs and you have yours. And both are entitled to share our views.
"Why are both sides always labeled by the extreme?"
I don't care if you call yourself a lil pony or Karl Marx hisself...... screw your life up as much as you like, just so the insanity doesn't touch me, I. Don't. Care.
But that's not what's happening. There is only ONE group actively trying to take my freedoms and my rights, even my property. Getting tired of the "both sides do it" BS and the "I still have my rights" BS as you see attack after attack on those rights from THIS administration.... which some clearly voted for. You should ignore that. Look the other way, move along, nothing to see here....
And if you can't clearly see and admit these people YOU voted for have FUBARed everything they have touched in just a matter of months (if not intentionally sabotaged such as open borders, identity politics, race relations, Afghanistan, etc. etc.) then you too are part of the problem.
Maybe Foxworthy should do a "You might be a Marxist/Globalist" bit. First line would be "if you voted for Biden and think you made a good decision....." or "if you think they AREN'T coming after your rights...." or "if you think it's the Right that are the fascist dictators...." or "white rage and Trump voters are the worst threat to the country since 9/11 and the Civil War..." or " we should defund the police...."
Could do this all day..... as stated above.... no ammo shortage there..... right now there is one group of people that are pumping out stupid and anti-American every minute. And I'm seeing some embrace it.
Maybe the hard core leftists AREN'T the majority of Dems. It is certainly those who are attacking ME and my rights, and I take such attacks personally. But if the soft squishy don't want to get involved beta middle don't stand up to them and tell them to sit down and STF up.... then yeah, they really are all in the same pool and will be treated as such. That's a decision THEY have to make. But for many they just won't.... or can't. And honestly I don't know which is worse.... apathy or fear.
You can be religious or an atheist and understand there is a right and wrong..big government doesn't work and never will..but some people keep trying to reinvent the square wheel and expecting it to function
"Very sad story coming out from the families that met with your president Biden upon return of these service members remains. Very strange for a leader to try to tell his story of his past losses for grieving parents and family.When challenged that he was to blame for her son or daughters death with one Marines mother "Mr Biden turned his back and walked away throwing up his hand as it to say whatever". Very sad to hear of this mans behavior. Zap"
I'd expect no less from his old ass...He and Pelosi can't croak fast enough!!! But, I do love the lil ol' guy....Lol
Not so glowing editorial on Biden by the Wall Street Journal, titled "WSJ Editorial Board Goes After Biden For ‘Dishonest’ ‘Defiant’ And ‘Accusatory’ Defense Of Afghanistan Withdrawal"
Just so people know, the tenets of our civil society relative to the concept of "right and wrong" are found entombed in the very core beliefs of Judeo-Christian principles. The code of a civil society to determine that it's bad to kill somebody for their property that an Atheist believes is a good thing in society comes with it the understanding of a consequence. This consequence is from a deep held knowledge that an omnipotent being will sit in judgement one day for all humans past, present, and future. This is true in many other cultures that have an afterlife belief.
This fear of a consequence does not come from man, because as the Atheist believes that once you die, you die. There is no afterlife, their is no cognitive recollection of mortal memory. You simply break down to the basic elements you're made up of. According to this belief, it would be more prudent to live life to the fullest in regard to the carnal state of man, nearly equal to that of any animal, by taking advantage of those around you to experience as much "joy" as you can. The Atheist doesn't because of an innate fear of the consequence not issued by man. If man's laws execute you for misdeeds, so what. It doesn't matter because your cognitive processes cease anyway. Wanting to do good comes from a higher authority other than man.
This is why the SCOTUS jurists in Roe v. Wade got it wrong big time.
do you consider Obamacare a success? My insurance premiums have tripled.Misinformation my butt.If you really did have input you sure didn't improve things.I guess you are the first person I've seen that considered the impact a positive one.
"This fear of a consequence does not come from man, because as the Atheist believes that once you die, you die. There is no afterlife, their is no cognitive recollection of mortal memory. You simply break down to the basic elements you're made up of. According to this belief, it would be more prudent to live life to the fullest in regard to the carnal state of man, nearly equal to that of any animal, by taking advantage of those around you to experience as much "joy" as you can. The Atheist doesn't because of an innate fear of the consequence not issued by man. If man's laws execute you for misdeeds, so what. It doesn't matter because your cognitive processes cease anyway. Wanting to do good comes from a higher authority other than man."
What nonsense. If an atheist doesn't believe in the afterlife, the only thing they have is this life. And in this life, the only external bounds they have come from the laws of man. Secondarily, one does not have to believe in god or an afterlife to see value in many judeo-christian principles. You are just projecting.
HDE, you're basically saying that atheists can not be moral because they ain't afraid of burning in hell?
What a stunning load of horse apples they're feeding you kids these days. But I don't blame you, they tried that deep indoctrination on me 60 years ago. I walked away and never looked back.
You're talking about Humanism, the religion without God, as did Horace Mann, a foundation character in modern American education. Basically, man is the measure of all things. - Protagoras
Both Matt and DanaC need to explain to me why they are good people. People are not good because they decided to be over the "evolutionary" timescale. They are good for other reasons. Those reasons are programed deep into your subconscious minds. I never said an Atheist cannot be a moral person. I told you why an Atheist is a moral person whether they want to accept that reason or not.
I'll wait patiently while you gather a meaningful rebuttal. You are going to have to it by explaining away the existence of a supreme Being though...
4Nolz, "do you consider Obamacare a success? My insurance premiums have tripled.Misinformation my butt.If you really did have input you sure didn't improve things.I guess you are the first person I've seen that considered the impact a positive one."
You sure do jump to conclusions a lot. I didn't have input on Obamacare but our office did. They took a plan we created - The Prescription for Pennsylvania- and reviewed it to see if there were pieces worth including in their plan. And, while there were positives to Obamacare there were also shortcomings. So while I do consider some parts of Obamacare a success I do not believe the entire package was at all. But more people did get insurance, people with pre-existing conditions could not be denied coverage, and health insurance was more affordable for some.
On the other hand health care costs rose for others as insurers exited the market, stopped getting reimbursed for cost-sharing reductions and concerns about the long-term viability (based on Republican's never-ending threats to dismantle the program) caused concern and fears. The mandate was wrong and some people lost hours (and income) or jobs due to the 50 employee rule.
Aside from all that, everything you said in your original post is absolutely misinformation.
Photography is a side business. Spent 40 years working in private and public sector healthcare. It's better to view my profile on LinkedIn than post it here.
Cost of health care started rising progressively when the h Government started getting involved in it. Dang...look what they've done with so called Social Security. If I handled peoples money the way they've handled SS I would be in prison. Yep. No matter how you cut it the square wheel will never function properly.
Hackbow - how about abortion? Or God having a place in our government?
Do you know any other words than simple, weak and pathetic? Those are such a lame attempt to discredit people. And your equations are so biased that they are laughable.
Most Americans are born into this country, and the documents of it's founding declare that God is and has an influence on its continuation. Nobody is forcing you to believe it, however, the denial of that position has caused great harm to the liberties of those who do believe as did the founders. Hence, the Marxist effort to become godless, as was done in the French Revolution, and history has graphically recorded the horrors and lack of freedom that produced.
"Dana - you would need to be a tad more specific. "
Really? The religious extremists in Texas passed an anti-abortion law that I can only describe as FASCIST. Paying people to INFORM on anyone who even drives a friend to an abortion clinic? Ten thousand dollar REWARDS TO INFORMANTS ? You are worse than the goddam Taliban. You people are a disgrace to Jesus.
But you already knew all that, you're just being a facetious clown.
"Both Matt and DanaC need to explain to me why they are good people. People are not good because they decided to be over the "evolutionary" timescale. They are good for other reasons. Those reasons are programed deep into your subconscious minds. I never said an Atheist cannot be a moral person. I told you why an Atheist is a moral person whether they want to accept that reason or not. I'll wait patiently while you gather a meaningful rebuttal. You are going to have to it by explaining away the existence of a supreme Being though..."
You said atheists do not have a fear of consequences that come from man because they do not believe in an after life. Given that, the only consequences they have to fear are those of man. Your position makes no sense.
But to your point, you can have 2 people who make the same moral decisions but for different reasons. Many atheists follow most of the 10 commandments simply because they see it as the right thing to do. Some do it out of a fear of god and possible repercussions in an afterlife that may or may not exist. Based on my life experience, I'd much rather put my faith in someone who subscribes to doing the right thing for intrinsic reasons than out of fear. It seems to make for a more durable resolve.
Danac, murder should always be a crime in any society...that should be a given. Whether you are religious or not..most people recognize murder as a crime regardless of their beliefs. But your statement says a lot for where we are as a culture
"Paying people to INFORM on anyone who even drives a friend to an abortion clinic? Ten thousand dollar REWARDS TO INFORMANTS ? You are worse than the goddam Taliban. You people are a disgrace to Jesus."
Really?...your side wants to pay people, NOT to shoot other people. Why don't we ALL get paid for not shooting people? It all boils down to paying people, not to KILL other people.
By the way...you just took the lords name in vain. I'm assuming you don't consider YOURself as a disgrace to Jesus?
You need to make up your mind...are we nazis, or are we taliban? There is a difference, you're side has accused us of both. Please clarify...hypocrit!!!
Tom, thats pathetic. Biden administration is a pathetic excuse for leadership. More tax payers money squandered . "Somebody once said Anerica will never fall from an outside source, they will crumble from within". Proohetic! The leftist are doing a good job of that so far. Defunding the police, yes, the Democrats support that BS. I don't have the time to list it all..
"By the way...you just took the lords name in vain. I'm assuming you don't consider YOURself as a disgrace to Jesus?"
Don't you know that to hide behind a hypocrite means you are smaller than they are.
Matt,
" Based on my life experience, I'd much rather put my faith in someone who subscribes to doing the right thing for intrinsic reasons than out of fear. It seems to make for a more durable resolve." Fear is intrinsic. Your bias is that people without God are superior? Really? Like we haven't heard that before.
Go figure, I am missing a good fight between 445 guys who see Biden for what he is, 3 biden supporters, and one anti-god atheist person who can't wait for all belief in a heavenly father to vanish. One thing is certain, we ain't in heaven yet, we are living in the devils domain.
This is just the beginning fellas. Now we will send billions in aid, and import unvetted "refugees" of which a reasonable percentage will be mentally deranged terrorists ready to kill innocents. Get ready for the next 9/11, it is coming to our soil aided by China Joe.
Prayers for comfort to those families who lost loved ones, and for those who will be lost under this inept administration.
This business owner drew her own line in the sand. I'm curious if this will become more popular and widespread?
Florida restaurant owner posts sign telling Biden supporters to 'take business elsewhere'
The sign has received mixed reactions
By Andrew Mark Miller | Fox News
A Florida restaurant owner raised eyebrows after posting a sign outside the front door telling Biden supporters to dine elsewhere, citing his recent handling of the American military withdrawal from Afghanistan.
"If you voted for and continue to support and stand behind the worthless, inept and corrupt administration currently inhabiting the White House that is complicit in the death of our servicemen and women in Afghanistan, please take your business elsewhere," a sign posted outside the Debary Diner in Debary, Florida said, according to Fox 35 Orlando.
"It was the only thing I felt like I could do," said the restaurant’s owner, Angie Ugarte.
Ugarte, who has run the diner for five years, added that she was "angry" after learning about the 13 service members killed by a suicide bombing last week.
She added that many of her regular customers are veterans and has dedicated an entire wall in her restaurant to honoring veterans and their families.
"If you really, really still stand behind what’s allowed this to happen and the way it happened — which was unnecessary — then I really don’t want to be associated with you in any way and I certainly don’t want your business," she explained to FOX 35 News.
Customer reactions have been mixed, with some thinking that Ugarte can serve whomever she pleases and others saying they don’t support the move.
"I’ve had people come to the door and look at it and turn around and walk away. And I’ve had people come into the kitchen while I’m cooking and say, ‘Hey, I love your sign,’" Ugarte said.
Resident Louis Vasquez told Fox 35 News, "I wouldn’t go there. I don’t appreciate it," while another resident, Serenity Smith said, Ugarte "has the right to not let anybody in the restaurant that supports a certain view."
When asked how long the sign will stay up, Ugarte gave no specific timeline and pointed out that there are Americans still currently stranded in Afghanistan.
Private business should have the right to run their business how they choose...I know that may send some people into orbit but thats just a real free society. We've allowed the government to go to far in so many aspects. Regardless of the business owner's politics, they should have that right.
This is just the latest from our elected officials. We can go down a list of how they have screwed up the entire country. Obama tells our troops to just deal with the VA, combat, and this famous quote: "you know what you signed up for." He then welcomes BLM terrorist group to the Oval Office, but not the families of slain police officers. That started the ball rolling. Common Core is pushed through by radical progressives into our school system. It is like making 3 lefts to make a right. The dumbing down of America has begun in our youth's education. Factor in the embracement of 72 different sexual orientations, the acceptance of drag queens and phallus wearing monkey men reading to toddlers, California teaching 8th graders that anal sex should be explored and that you don't need to tell your parents about receiving contraceptives, or injections at school. Paying people 3x-4x of what their salary is to keep them home, instead of going back to work, all at the expense of those who stayed working, or went right back to work, after the fear agenda of the SCAMdemic subsided. Destroying a booming economy to derail a President who finally did what he said and focused on America. Repaying Big Pharma with mandatory vaccines after the above mentioned President took them to task for escalating drug prices such as insulin and the Epi-pen, and selling drugs manufactured here cheaper to foreign countries than to our citizens. And finally, disastrous foreign policy, including the wanton loss of our service members, to appease our enemies. May God bless their souls. Patriots, We The People, can only take so much. Fly your flag upside down, as we are a country in distress.
It used to be Dems and Republicans had the same goal for America, just different ways to get there. Not true today, the Libs want a far different America. Some of you apparently do too, all because of Donald's demeanor. Really, you violate your own principles because of one person's behavior? Weak!
I want an America where people with 'Donald's demeanor' get sidelined like the ill-mannered spoiled children they are. NOT given credence, kudos or power. "Children should be raised right" is a pretty important 'principle' too.
"and one anti-god atheist person who can't wait for all belief in a heavenly father to vanish. "
THIS atheist just wants the same rights as a person of any other system of thought/beliefs is accorded.
Where were you when Bush Sr. said in public that atheists don't have rights? *silence* I knew right then that a lot of people who spoke for freedom of religion were only concerned with their own church and to hell with the rest of us. Well okay. As long as the fanatics haven't cancelled my freedom of speech I'll believe what I believe and say what I think.
Don't expect me to stand by idly while you *legislate* your religious beliefs into laws. Some of us still believe in 'separation of church and state.'
Danac, did you know laws against murder, rape, petifilia, theft are all biblical princcipals.? But, Im not forving religious beliefs on anyone. Most non religious people understand certain things are wrong.
Clay, it is quite possible to derive a proper moral/legal code, condemning all those things, without recourse to scripture, faith, divine revelation etc. Many have done so, in different times and places. But you'll never hear that in church!
Al seems to be in an alternate reality. But he checked all the crazy boxes. Put down the right wing propaganda as you are gullible drunk. Then comes in typical cheer crowd who have not seen their own reflection in decades as they are incapable of looking in the mirror. All of American’s problems are cause by the other side…undeniably willfully delusional.
I know…I know…kick them out of your camps. Undeniably dumb.
I agree with you 100% on that. Lots people have high morals that are not Christian. But, Im thankful God doesn't save me on my goodness, I would be in a terrible situation for sure
Just an observation I've had friends over the years that declared they were atheists-oh well whatever.But they always seem to want to recruit and debate constantly.Its like down deep they don't really believe what they espouse and don't want to be alone.Always struck me as odd.
It used to be Dems and Republicans had the same goal for America, just different ways to get there. Not true today, the Libs want a far different America. Some of you apparently do too, all because of Donald's demeanor. Really, you violate your own principles because of one person's behavior?
I find that Christianity is the one religion you can ridicule and not get fired, ostracized, or thrown off of social media for. I have worked for 45 years in the public school system, and have witnessed that many times, especially in the social science fields. I play music in nursing homes. Not many atheists there. A lot of “I hope” there.
Dana I agree, I'm 100% against my rights being infringed on from the Left or the Right.Part of our Country's success is due to separation of Church and State.Secular Government is the answer in the Muslim Countries imo.
This morning my long term assistant (31 years)very pro-life was shocked at the aspect of turning in your neighbors for $.
That's because Pat has made some allowances after the Community Forum went away. Which is his prerogative as owner. Those allowances do not extend to the Leatherwall.
Today the bombshell news of your Mr Biden on a call with leader of old afg government. Very disturbing news. The Mr Biden has told much different stories to the afg leader and to the American people. Something is very wrong here. This man is unfit to lead the free world. he has but very little use as Mr president USA.
Reports that we had a Predator drone with a lock on the Kabul airport suicide bomber prior to his attack but permission to fire wasn't granted. Haven't seen it verified but the guy saying it isn't exactly Alex Jones.
It's ex Deputy Assistant SecDef under Bush Pardo-Maurer.
Could be true or false or definitely could be more complicated than that. If true, it should be surprising but unfortunately it won't be surpising.
I’ve commented but I’m going to take this a step father concerning accountability… the life’s lost of our military hero’s is NOT only upon the president but every American who voted him in office… you who voted for Biden and supported him, I hope you understand your part in accountability as well… your endorsement of Biden for president made what happened these last few weeks a reality…this never would have happened under our former President,…like him or not, it never would have happened.
I can’t believe the taliban has been flying the helicopters and had a parade with all the US military vehicles
Didn’t the spokes person for the pentagon John Kirby just days ago tell all us Americans they they disabled everything before they left?
I have never seen so many lies told by politicians and public officials. The “information” they keep telling us are proven false almost in real time over, and over, and over.
Can you imagine if Trump had done this ? It would be all you would here from the laim stream media..24/7. He is a total idiot..worse than Obummer, thats pretty bad
"I’ve commented but I’m going to take this a step father concerning accountability… the life’s lost of our military hero’s is NOT only upon the president but every American who voted him in office… you who voted for Biden and supported him, I hope you understand your part in accountability as well… your endorsement of Biden for president made what happened these last few weeks a reality…this never would have happened under our former President,…like him or not, it never would have happened. "
Just to keep things based in reality - Trump negotiated the end of our involvement in Afghanistan in February, 2020. He agreed to immediately reduce the number of service members. He released 5,000 Taliban prisoners. And he agreed to have all US service members, civilian and military contractors out of the country within 14 months of the agreement date (which should have been May 2021).
63 military members died in Afghanistan while Trump was President. Following your logic, everyone that voted for Trump shares responsibility for that.
Service members died in Afghanistan under four administrations. Their deaths are all tragic and many could have been prevented if any of the previous administrations had ended our operations in that country. There's plenty of blame to go around for both parties.
Phol, I agree..Bush and Obama had a hand in this for sure. I dont think we should have been there to begin with but we were. Its the way Biden has handledvit that is pathetic. He had been office for 8 months and done nothing but screw up everything he touches..and his buddies in the media support him
Tobpitbull- did you vote for Bush? Who here voted for Bush? You own all the deaths for 9/11. Just imagine someone saying that a couple weeks after 9/11. Complete UnAmerican BS.
I want hearings. I want to know how this went down and who made what decision and why? And who decided to leave Americans, allies, and military equipment behind?
You cant compare 911 to this farce in Afghanistan..Biden orchestrated this deal deliberately...911 was an attack on the US. But, I lost no love for Bush
By Post Editorial Board September 1, 2021 7:44pm Updated
How can any American believe anything President Biden says after he’s lied so blatantly about an Afghanistan evacuation he claims was an “extraordinary success”?
LIE: “Americans understand we’re going to try and get it done before Aug. 31,” President Biden told ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos Aug. 19. “And if there are American citizens left, we’re going to stay until we get them all out.” He reiterated the promise the next day at the White House: “But let me be clear, any American who wants to come home, we will get you home.”
TRUTH: Even Biden himself admits Americans remain stranded in Afghanistan as he withdrew the last US forces before getting them home. “Ninety percent of Americans in Afghanistan who wanted to leave were able to leave,” he said Tuesday. US Central Command head Gen. Frank McKenzie confirmed the day before that some Americans trying to escape couldn’t get to the Kabul airport — and the last five jets left without a single American on board.
LIE: “We’re making the same commitment,” Biden said Aug. 20, to Afghans who assisted America in the war effort, “those Afghans who have worked alongside us, served alongside of us, gone into combat with us and provided invaluable assistance to us,” he said. “They’re equally important, almost.”
TRUTH: On Wednesday, a senior State Department official confessed to NBC News that “the majority of Afghans who helped” the United States “didn’t make it out of Kabul.” The official didn’t have the number of special immigrant visa applicants who remain in Afghanistan but said “it’s the majority of them.”
LIE: “The United States stands by its commitment that we’ve made to these people, and it includes other vulnerable Afghans, such as women leaders and journalists,” Biden said Aug. 20.
TRUTH: Team Biden didn’t even ensure American-employed journalists made it to safety. Five hundred US Agency for Global Media journalists, working for outlets such as Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, and their family members were left to the mercy of the Taliban, who have already begun bullying Afghan reporters. Sources told USA Today that “miscommunication” and “the Taliban not clearing them for exit” were to blame. Just 50 US-sponsored journalists made it out — thanks to other governments, not our own.
LIE: Asked by a reporter July 8, “Do you see any parallels between this withdrawal and what happened in Vietnam,” Biden was indignant. “None whatsoever. Zero.”
TRUTH: Not even a month after Biden spoke those words, pictures came from Kabul of a US helicopter flying over the American embassy. Nearly 200 Americans fled the Baron Hotel on Chinooks when they couldn’t reach the Kabul airport, just 650 feet away, any other way.
LIE: Biden vowed to continue providing the Afghan army with air support. “I’ll insist we continue to keep the commitments we made of providing close air support, making sure that their air force functions and is operable,” he said Aug. 10. He’d made the promise to Afghan President Ashraf Ghani in a July 23 phone call that was leaked Wednesday. “We will continue to provide close air support,” Biden said. “And all the way through the end of August, and who knows what after that.”
TRUTH: The Wall Street Journal reported Aug. 14, “In the wake of President Biden’s withdrawal decision, the US pulled its air support, intelligence and contractors servicing Afghanistan’s planes and helicopters. That meant the Afghan military simply couldn’t operate anymore.” That puts paid to Biden’s repeated claim that the Afghan army simply folded because it didn’t want to fight.
LIE: “Your own intelligence community has assessed that the Afghan government will likely collapse,” a reporter told the president July 8, to which a defensive Biden responded, “That is not true.” He added that “the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely.”
TRUTH: In fact, Biden knew the Taliban were overtaking the Afghan government — and asked Ghani to lie about it. The perception “is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” Biden said. “And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.” Ghani gave him the facts: “We are facing a full-scale invasion, composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning and logistical support, and at least 10-15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis thrown into this.” Biden ignored them.
The Voters will surely make Mr Biden pay and if I recall Madam Harris was not much cared for in even democratic circles in 2020. I think what really hurt Harria was he nasty line questioning in the Kavanaugh hearings for the high court. This show the true evil nature of this woman.
Mr Biden will not do anything for the peoples in the south who were decimated in the south by Ida. So people when they age become like a sweet child others become nasty and spiteful. Mr Biden has the latter. He and kind must be voted out and the catholics of the southern regions will not support him or his party.
Biden is just a puupet for Soros. He is also arrogant. I have a friend was a Democrat for years but he told me recently.." I agree with Reagan, I didnt leave the Democrat Party, they left me". I would love to see the the Republican Party once again become the party of the constitution like before the NeoCons took it over. They are not much better as a whole but the Democrats are no longer "Liberals" they are Marxist/leftist. My father inlaw whom I really like voted for Obama n Biden. I asked him one day why he voted for people that believe the opposite of what he believes..he couldn't answer me.
JL for the win. Ask and ye shall receive kinda thing. I wander if the same standards d as allied to the previous president will register for this one.
In other words, asking for a “political favor” by Trump, which led to his impeachment, has to apply to Biden. If you are truly a decent man and human. If not, you are what plaques the earth.
I want to hear impeachment coming from the mouths of those that have stated Trump’s was justified.
When the catholic and protestant women leave the angry democrats in the cities and suburbs it's over for the Mr Biden. Hard work, family and freedoms will ulitimately win. Right now that the people with Trump and his team. We will all vote for him next time and watch America be saved once again like the last time. We id not want a Clinton we will not stand for a Harris.
“In other words, asking for a “political favor” by Trump, which led to his impeachment, has to apply to Biden. If you are truly a decent man and human. If not, you are what plaques the earth.“
This coming from a guy who has never said anything negative EVER about Trump. Base on your own words, I guess that makes you a plague.
Trumps accomplishments in 4 years are so extensive its challenging to list them all.
China Joe's failures in 8 months are growing so fast, its impossible to list them all.
KS, you're funny. You'll break your back to uphold the empty suit of China joe, yet you obsess over the presence of "Shawn Magyar", who in my opinion, hasn't said anything worse than you have here. Yet you, and YOU alone, incessantly rally for his removal. I think you're more upset that he adds something to conversation, than you are about his name/handle.
Y'all still have 3 more years of being beat down for supporting the biggest presidential failure to date. You're rapidly running out of defense tactics!! It'll be interesting to see how long you last.
woods walker - "As long as we have unverified mail-in voter fraud, it will NEVER be "over" for the dishonest Democrat Party. "
I don't understand why it's so hard for many on the right to accept that there was no mail-in voter fraud. That lie has been disproven many times over. Countless Republican state officials and numerous audits have proven this.
And as long as there continues to be gerrymandering by state Republicans we will never truly have citizens represented in congress.
For those of you that voted for Biden...if the leftist you voted for get their way, expect strict gun control..dont believe me? Look at all the leftist controlled states..California, Mass. Ect.. They also support animal rights activist that want to band hunting..what happens when leftist control the Game n Fish Departments? Social Security, high taxation, ext, are examples of their aftermath. There are plenty of examples to observe to see what happens when leftist take control. To deny that is foolish. If they take total control, dont complain when you lose your guns rights...think it cant happen? The only reason it hasnt is because of politicians and originations constantly fighting against their BS. I dont refer to these people as Liberals...they are NOT Liberals, they are Marxist. To deny that is simply naive...or you just support that form of government
I voted via mail-in ballet in Wisconsin and never fully trusted the process.
I am for doing away with secret ballots and having one's vote be fully visible to him or her self, as well as every one else. If nothing else, this would allow for people to ensure that their vote was properly registered. Additionally, it would bring the voting rolls fully into the light, so they might be properly expunged of illegal votes.
Barring this, we will just have to continually deal with the speculation of voter fraud.
There was attempted mail-in fraud in our village of 200 voters. We purged 49 people off our checklist. People who died, moved, etc. One couple attempted to vote using our address, and my wife, the supervisor of the checklist caught it. You send mail-ins to every voter and they end up in mailboxes that are no longer used by the rightful voters, you have the ingredients for massive fraud nationwide if those maintaining checklists don’t stay on top of it. The solution is simple, either get off your dead ass and vote in person with ID, or go absentee with ID. Those who don’t want ID in the name of whatever are either fools or believe the end justifies the means. Remember the Columbia record deal, 12 albums for .99? They sent out mass mailings that ended up in every mailbox. People would scoff them up from every mailbox, collect dozens of albums, free, and Columbia went broke trying to get their money from people who never ordered them. Same deal. It was rampant when I was in college in the sixties.
Democrats dont want voder ID but every time I go get my license renewed I have to prove who I am. When I renew my hazmat I have to do a back ground check and prove I am who I say I am. Dont take a genius to figure out why they want mail in ballots
All my life, until recently, you went to vote in person. If you couldn't be available or were in the hospital, you could vote by absentee ballot. This worked fine for years. The only update necessary is to require an ID to vote.
Last election was a mess due to these alleged "improvements". The election was corrupted and many questions remain. I'm not holding my breath for truthful answers but it sure is telling that the dems are pushing so hard for these tactics to be the norm.
Just because some Republican officials declared no fraud dont effect my opinion anyway..lot them didnt want Trump in to begin with. No way did slithering Joe win that election legally. Cant prove it I know but I would bet a million on it if I had it
The wrong leaders in charge of a country has proven to be far more dangerous than a law abiding citizen owning a firearm many times over.
I am required to prove my identity and pay for a background check each time I purchase a gun which in good times may be multiple times a year or even a month.
Imagine telling people they need ID, a multiple page questionnaire, and they have to pay for a background check before voting.
"Just because some Republican officials declared no fraud dont effect my opinion anyway..lot them didnt want Trump in to begin with. No way did slithering Joe win that election legally. Cant prove it I know but I would bet a million on it if I had it"
How in the h@#l do you square those two statements?
"I don't understand why it's so hard for many on the right to accept that there was no mail-in voter fraud. That lie has been disproven many times over. Countless Republican state officials and numerous audits have proven this."
Then I assume there's a reasonable explanation as to why this felon was caught with over 300 recall ballots, guns and drugs? ...Or is this another one of your "red herrings"?...or perhaps it's just more of that pesky "misinformation" that you joe voters are so keen at spotting?
KS, believe what you want. There was very little support for Biden..except in the leftist pockets. I stated that I cant prove Biden didnt win legally. But we have so many examples of leftist denying the truth..not hard to dig it up. Leftist dont care about facts..they operate on feelings and emotions..thats my point. A Republican can screw me over just like anybody else..thats been proven. Go ahead and support those that want to usher in Marxism..its your choice but dont complian when their antihunting buddies effect our hunting privileges
The felon with 300 ballots was for the recall in CA. It doesn't matter if he had 3,000 ballots, there is no way they could have been mailed in and counted because there are checks and balances. Nobody can just mail in ballots and expect them to be counted.
To TGBow's point, I care a lot about facts. They are the basis for sound decision making. And as far as mail-in fraud or voter fraud, the facts are crystal clear - there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election. Were there ones and twos here and there absolutely. That's been proven. But there was nothing anywhere near the scale to change the outcome of the election. Even Bill Barr said that.
What's interesting to me is that according to some, or many, of you all Democrats lie, many Republicans lie, the media lies, the generals lie, past administration officials from both parties lie....yet the one beacon of truth is Trump. A man who conned countless people out of their money, lied virtually every time he spoke in public, had 13 failed businesses and six bankruptcies and has changed his political affiliation at least four times - from Republican to Reform to Democrat and back to Republican.
Dang, and the media didnt bury him..how could that be. Phil, I may not agree with Trump on everything but compared to what we got there is a big difference. But, you have the right to support who you want..I just find it hard to believe with you being a hunter you would vote for your own demise
"Leftist dont care about facts...they operate on feelings and emotions..thats my point."
LMAO that is exactly what you did and did it twice. Unbelievable.
"Go ahead and support those that want to usher in Marxism..its your choice but dont complian when their antihunting buddies effect our hunting privileges"
Ok now I'm a Marxist lol. Go ahead with the gaslighting. Besides, I'm not even sure you really know what Marxism is. But I'll bet you think we have a purely "capitalistic" economy today. Lastly, show me anywhere at any time where Biden voted to ban hunting.
Ks, I did not say you were a Marxist...I said you are supporting Marxism by voting for Biden. My fatherinlaw is not a Marxist either but he voted to support Marxism. If you don't know who the antihunting crowd suppoorts politically..I dont know what to say. My 17 yr old daughter and my 35 yr old son knows the answer
You mean Democratic Gerrymandering... like in Maryland.
They Dems here hijacked and flipped a solid republican district by remapping a crazy shape to merge in hard core democrats from "Silver Spring" along the DC line.
KS, my check wasnt a Socialist check ..because I work and pay taxes..In other words they didnt GIVE me anything they just gave me back some off my own money. A little anyway..a lot of it goes to corporate and domestic welfare, frivolous spending in general. Thanks to FDR and LBJ , a lot of it is extorted thru Social Security and hidden taxes. Of course Neocon Republicans are at the helm of this political machine also..not just Democrats. If it were up to me we would do away with the present tax system and the Federal Reserve
I didn’t get a Trump check. So the government (Trump) took my money and gave it to you. I hate to break it to you…that’s socialism. Therefore, if you voted for Trump you supported a socialist. You can’t have it both ways.
If paying taxes is your bar, governments with socialism economies collect taxes and a lot of it. I pay taxes too and I didn’t get a Trump check.
KS, you have no idea what you are talking about. Socialism is redistribution of wealth, I payed taxes in. Why you didnt get any back I dont know..maybe because your leftist politicians like to cap it off. When private citizens recieves other tax payer's money and that individual payed nothing in, thats Socialism. We have a screwed up tax system to begin with. There has never been a society that has taxed, regulated their way to prosperity...it will never happen. Dont get me wrong..Republicans are guilty also..since Im not a Reepublican it doesn't bother me to say that. I wish tje government would just get the hell out of the way and the economy would take care of itself...look around...look at California and other big gov areas...how are they doin? That should tell you somethin
TG- you evidently don’t know what Marxism or socialism are. It sounds like you just hear it from right wing hacks and just go around repeating it. Joe Biden is not even close to a Marxist. The minute he ceases GM, Amazon, or any other private business and says it now the government’s then you have a valid point.
KS, that would be Communism. With Marxism, companies would remain in private ownership but the goverment would dictate how it operates..But, hold on we almost to that point. BTW, my 17 yr old knows what Socialism n Marxism is...if I get back $1000 from the gov that I payed in ...would that be Socialism? If I get $1000 from the gov but I didnt pay any taxes in would that be Socialism? Yes, we have to have a form of taxes..but when the government takes any amount that I pay in and gives it to another person or corporatuon...THAT is redistribution of wealth...like Obama Care, ..,entitlements, ect
"Yes, we have to have a form of taxes..but when the government takes any amount that I pay in and gives it to another person or corporatuon...THAT is redistribution of wealth...like Obama Care, ..,entitlements, ect "
Phil, I believe in the goverment staying out of the private sector. If by "trickle down" you mean companies end up with more profit and Their emoyees benefit from that, or individuals keep more of their money and they are not penalized because they work hard and make more money, or deregulation free ip more capital and the companies expand and are able to put more into their company and emoyees, ...yes. When Bush was in office he did a few decent things but he blowed money like a Leftist...and gave us the unconstitutional Patriot Act. I dont care who they are if they support taking away more freedom and taxing and regulating us to hell n back then Im not for them. Even JFK said the best thing the gov can do is stay out of the American peoples pocket book...or something to that effect. Do we have any country past or present that has prospered with any of the "ism" type governments? People think the gov will make things better but they only make it worse once they cross the line of basic common sense laws. BTW , we had no Federal Income tax before WW1, except when Lincoln instated it during the Civil War...after the war the SC court ruled it inconstitutional
So let me get this right. You want absolutely no taxes and you want to privatize everything. Social security, public services (police, fire), public highways, public land (there goes hunting down the drain), all government agencies?
KS, Im from Alabama but Im not totally stupid. I never said we shouldnt have any taxes. Of course we have to have some form of taxatuon...Fair Tax, but tje problem will always be politicians extorting it so we would have to have a cap. As of today, if they quit frivolous spending they could get by with way less than they spend..at least cut it in half. Public roads, justice system, military...that would have to be supported by the public. Social Security should go because its just a form of extorted money from us...unless they made it voluntary. Police. Fire dept, would be supported by taxes. Unnecessary regulations like bogus environmental crap..not common sense laws like dumping chemicals into the water. Government seizing peoples land because a kangaroo rat exist on their land,ect. Even with funding the military, roads, police, ect, it WOULD NOT take the amount of tax dollars they take from us today. Im not gonna name them all but you can look up all the frivolous things we pay taxes to support. Again I say...LOOK at California...the state your president said he wanted to model the country after, how are they doing? Its a mess. That should tell you what happens with Big Gov systems. Both parties are good at blowing our money. BTW, I mentioned above that honest Abe instated a Federal income-tax during the war...the SC ruled it unconstitutional. There is a reason we didnt have it before. But, so many people have been conditioned to think that we have to have the gov to powder our azz from cradle to grave I doubt it will ever go away. Ive yet to see an example of a country that adapted a Socialist, Communist, Marxist government that prospered. When you wake up one day and you paying 75 % of your income to the gov...dont complain
The Flat Person from KS has made a very unjust representation of Marxism. You would have to look hard for such a corrupted explanation of Marxism.
The manifesto was created by two wretched souls. Communism and Socialism is most indeed routed in Marxism. Where the idea is based!
Marxism: Socialism
“Much like communism, socialism is a system of politics and economics with roots in Marxist ideals. In socialism, a central government owns all means of wealth, but individuals can still own property. Additionally, unlike the violent uprisings that can arise with communism, socialism typically occurs more organically through reforms and changes with an elected government. While a true socialist society doesn’t exist, a few close runner ups are Norway and Denmark. However, these governments still have capitalist sectors.“
The Flatworlder has tried to give false Prophet here.
" Nobody can just mail in ballots and expect them to be counted."
Maybe, but if the machine is connected to a computer, like Dominion Voting Systems, all the counts across many states make up for slow Democrat vote counters, in unison. Even Elizabeth Warren complained about that.
" Nobody can just mail in ballots and expect them to be counted."
Maybe, but if the machine is connected to a computer, like Dominion Voting Systems, all the counts across many states make up for slow Democrat vote counters, in unison. Even Elizabeth Warren complained about that.
The federal government shouldn't be collecting taxes from individuals, but from the states, IMHO. After all, the states created the federal government in 1787.
Mr Lundell has a cloned external hard drive of data that was pulled by a Dominion whistle blower.
Most people think the states that are doing vote Audits are looking overturn vote totals.
Not what is happening. They are showing the data and how votes were corrupted so state legislatures can get state law changed by early 2022 deadlines for next federal and state elections.
The One Flatworlder reminds me on the wretched Fredrich Engels the Revolutionary Marxist German. Who worked in capitalism and funded the broke hapless Karl Marx. Two radical Woke individuals whose radicalist tenancies followed to extreme killed easily 100 million humans need we forget.
Only a Closet Super Socialist would even ponder delinking Socialism from Marxism. Simply not possible.
So, who's going to "own it" when we start seeing terrorist attacks on US soil? Whether they're of large of small scale, I guaran-dam-tee its going to happen!
Well, all the terrorist will have to do is walk across the border..wide open. We dont need to check for voter ID because they need the illegal votes..as long as you have your Covid passport ..you good. But slithering Joe will protect us..as long as he has a green light from Soros, a lot depends on Soros
Markwayne Mullin, a Republican Representative in Congress from Oklahoma, resurfaced earlier this week after effectively disappearing on his own unofficial rescue mission to the region. Mullin had reportedly been seeking to bring a large amount of cash into neighboring Tajikistan, where he planned to charter a helicopter to fly across the border into Afghanistan.
"I am heading home... Have we been helping get Americans out of Afghanistan, yes. Is the mission continuing, yes. Am I missing, no," he wrote in a post on Instagram on Wednesday. "Am I extremely disappointed in how we (United States) left Americans behind… that would be an understatement."
Mr Biden will free up the cash we have transferred to AFG accounts worldwide over these past years. You can bet Joe Woke will give carrot to the Taliban for Americans. He will pay ransoms before they start posting videos!
At the same time he will start his Drone Wars. Not going shut down the MIC .
"Nowhere does it say the government can seize land for endangered species. "
Correct.... technically. That would require them to actually purchase the property. They don't HAVE to. The other half of this split hair is they can and DO tell you not to use said land as you needed because of said kangaroo rat, just like they owned it.
Win-win for government. They still get control (the real purpose) and aren't out any money but for those jobs and industries which profit off that control. And the property owner still gets tagged with taxes, maintenance and the lower property values that go along with being tagged with an environmental "regulation". Great little arrangement.
But back on the OP tracks...... Biden is a lying, grifting POS and for sale whore. Always has been and always will be. Dems voted for him knowing he's been bought and paid for, even lied FOR him when they knew it was a lie. But thought he was their ticket to control, power, rolling back freedoms and rights. Good luck with that. One can bail off that bandwagon at any time though..... that is, if they really want to. All it takes is a bit of honestly and a pinch of contrition.... back to that responsibility thing...... if you voted for him you aren't exactly blameless. Unless you were blindfolded there were no surprises. Honestly "I messed it up" is a LOT more than you are EVER going to get from House Plant and his merry band......
The OP was about "incompetent leadership". Already stated I think the Dems direction and plans are baseline evil..... it is the common citizen who own this country, there are no "levels" of citizens rank. They own the government, government operates at their pleasure. But the government thinks it is they who own the citizens. And that pesky Bill of Rights and Constitution that grants from God and not government, the CITIZENS personal sovereign power.... gets in the way of that. Evil people who ALWAYS justify their evil as "it's for your own good..." That's the current "leadership".
WRT the "incompetent" part, that's pretty much our Ace in the Hole. The vast majority of them clearly have never held a real job where you are held responsible for your actions and judged solely by your results, not your "intentions". They are cocktail party classroom academics and elitists with little to no common sense or practical knowledge of how to pull off their coup. Having lived in their elitist bubbles their whole life surrounded only by other elitists, they are pretty much clueless as to the real world around them, they see themselves as above that. And honestly could care less about those "other" people, commoners and "deplorables".... just as long as THEY look good to other elitists. And don't have to be responsible when they are wrong. Often quite literally.... dead wrong.
No clearer example than the Afghanistan Surrender. A much clearer, bloody and more dramatic example than "defund the police...." "mostly peaceful protests" or Open Borders, etc. What we need is less "woke" leaders and generals..... we need core people to "Wake TFU!" No more apathy. No more fear.
Action people. Or they will be proven right that people will give up rights and freedom in order to be herded like sheep and "taken care of". And Government OF the people BY the people will be no more.
Tom, I think even then they will find excuses why we have no rights once the leftist get their way. Some people can be standing right in front of a complety black pig, and they will still argue that the pig is not REALLY black
One has to look very close when electing so called action guys. There are now more and more good ones, Crenshaw, Zinke, Green, Earnst, etc.
Lot of chicken hawks out there. Do a tour and they think they are John Kerry ready to screw up for 40yrs in Gvt. Not a leader a war activist.
Dems had prolly the best middle road person in Tulsi Gabbards. Dems did not want her type Leadership and they preferred Jobama and got him. She is the one that exposed Harris for the empty pant suit she is. Proven true by the fact that Newsom wants her no where near him i on the recall election stump in CA.
We can hopefully get thru to Joe Manchin and stop the madness. Maybe he has a sense that the republic is Teter ing on the edge.
If a GOPer takes CA which i find extraordinary, its a whole new game in DC. Mr Biden will likely be hampered in many way to get much done. Thats 3 yrs where it could get worse in world, much worse. I really hope it does not and Mr Joe comes back to where he sat on the fence for fifty years, right in middle. Hiding in plain sight?
I was waiting at a stop light this morning and noticed this hand written sign in the back window of a car ahead of me. This was my Sunday chuckle......
Two or three Aircraft on tarmac in Mazari Sharif with Americans inside the TB wont let them take off. So, the hostage situation has begun. Do they want American recognition of Taliban or $ or both?
At the time the drone strike happened I remember a couple annalists saying something was odd..... they normally put a name to the hit within a few hours or they don't really announce the strike at all. But no other info came out, just "we got the bad guys". Both guys former operators mentioned it.
Looks like they had it right. And House Plant and his Merry Woke Band once again showcasing their incompetence.
Voting for what they perceive as security, in the end there is no security because without freedom there can be no security. In prison you are feed, you have medical attention, all your basic needs but the only thing missing is "Freedom"
Now Biden is trying to pick winners and losers in the EV space by proposing larger tax credits for vehicles manufactures by unionized domestic auto manufacturers, to the detriment of un-unionized domestic and foreign automobile manufacturers.
