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Frontal aiming point
Elk
Contributors to this thread:
Razorrick 28-Aug-21
[email protected] 28-Aug-21
Inshart 28-Aug-21
drycreek 28-Aug-21
trophyhill 28-Aug-21
Lost Arra 28-Aug-21
Mike Ukrainetz 28-Aug-21
Curt Wells 28-Aug-21
Dino 28-Aug-21
AZBUGLER 30-Aug-21
Bowfreak 30-Aug-21
APauls 30-Aug-21
GF 30-Aug-21
Mike Ukrainetz 31-Aug-21
Tilzbow 31-Aug-21
greg simon 31-Aug-21
GF 31-Aug-21
Mike Ukrainetz 31-Aug-21
AZBUGLER 02-Sep-21
From: Razorrick
28-Aug-21

Razorrick 's embedded Photo
Razorrick 's embedded Photo
Circle your aim point

28-Aug-21

Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
Altitude Sickness 's embedded Photo
If at full draw and within your imposed range. 15 yards for me.

He’s also at a slight angle so slightly off to his right side.

28-Aug-21

Paul@thefort's embedded Photo
in the crease behind the shoulder. Just old school I guess.
Paul@thefort's embedded Photo
in the crease behind the shoulder. Just old school I guess.

From: Inshart
28-Aug-21

Inshart's embedded Photo
Inshart's embedded Photo
I'm thinking about here, if he's standing still

From: drycreek
28-Aug-21

drycreek's embedded Photo
drycreek's embedded Photo
drycreek's embedded Photo
Frontal just like Altitude’s.
drycreek's embedded Photo
Frontal just like Altitude’s.
The frontal just like Altitude’s, the side shot a little lower

28-Aug-21
On the broadside shot, if you are shooting an old Mathews, ya may want to stop him first otherwise it’ll turn into a gut shot :)

From: Lost Arra
28-Aug-21
What's old?

Asking for a friend

28-Aug-21

Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
Not much room for error, even within the circle. You better be good!
Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
Not much room for error, even within the circle. You better be good!
Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
A nice big margin of error.
Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
A nice big margin of error.
Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
Bone blocking the vitals within the circle is never good.
Mike Ukrainetz's embedded Photo
Bone blocking the vitals within the circle is never good.
Since we don’t always hit where we want, every aiming spot should have a margin of error, a circle around your spot. Hit the outside edge of these circles and you are in trouble.

From: Curt Wells
28-Aug-21
On the frontal the bull’s head is a little too low for me. The neck muscle will alter your shot if you’re the least bit high. Wait for him to raise his head or get level then shoot for the base of the dark mane a couple inches above the sternum. Under 20, calm and collected, and good energy and it’s a dead bull.

From: Dino
28-Aug-21
Mike, I like your circles outside of the spot, shows the margin of error for sure. After last year’s bull I shot head on, 25 yds and under, I’d take that shot again for sure.

From: AZBUGLER
30-Aug-21
IMO, the margin of error circles don’t accurately represent the actual. For starters, they shouldn’t be circles. On that broadside shot you have several more inches back and up from the where the circle is. And hit that bull on the frontal and he falls within site. Incredible shot.

From: Bowfreak
30-Aug-21
I agree with Curt. I'd be waiting for that bull to raise his head or to turn broadside.

From: APauls
30-Aug-21
That frontal circle might squeak in but likely brisket IMO.

For a frontal you basically want to be center of mass. On that pic, being above the bull you'd need to shoot through his bottom lip.

Why is the bull blue on his side?

From: GF
30-Aug-21
I’m with those who don’t like the elevation.

31-Aug-21
AZBUGLER, why would the margin of error for your shot not generally be a circle? I’m saying that if you are aiming at a specific spot you could be high, low, left or right in a circle around your intended point of impact. For some hunters at 15 yds it could be a one inch circle, for others it might a one foot circle. Aiming close to a wounding spot like solid bone on an elk is not smart. Go for the greatest margin of error and for many, if not most bowhunters, the margin of error for a frontal shot is unethical, maybe it isn’t for you? And many bowhunters are not even aiming on the correct spot in an adrenaline fueled hunting situation making the chance for a wound even greater.

From: Tilzbow
31-Aug-21
Yeah, I don’t get the margin of error not being a circle either. Unless of course your regular misses are high left by 8”, low right by 2”, high right by 12”…. Well you get my point….

Although I like hitting 3” above the elbow and taking out both lungs and the major arteries at the top of the I do like giving myself a margin of error by aiming a little higher and further back. Aiming tight cost me an AZ bison in 2016 so I’m over that.

From: greg simon
31-Aug-21
I think you guys are mixing up kill zone and margin of error. Margin of error is most definitely a circle. Kill zone is not a circle.

From: GF
31-Aug-21
What Greg said… but as a rule… especially when you don’t or can’t measure the range, most folks with a decent aiming system are going to have a “margin of error zone” which is taller and narrower, rather than a circle.

And a fair number of decent “instinctive” shooters (within their preferred distances) have a “margin of error zone” that’s a bit wider than it is tall, which actually works out pretty OK on a broadside shot.

YMMV

31-Aug-21
Very true GF! Most of us bowhunters have a tendency to miss in a high/low or left/right fashion. I have a tendency to make all the shooting mistakes possible and miss in a equal sized circle!

From: AZBUGLER
02-Sep-21
Yes Greg Simon you are correct. What I meant to say is the kill zone is not a perfect circle most of the time. If you take an off shaped oblong target like the lungs, it’s difficult to place a circle on it statin that this circle is your margin for error necessarily. I get the point and think we’re just splitting hairs :-). There will always be those who will never feel comfortable with the frontal shot. But…. It is greatly exaggerated how small of a target that is. And the shape of the that target is closer to the shape of a football. Actually a very similar size too.

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