Have you recovered from Covid?
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31-Aug-21
They never give us those #s.

If you are recovered did you then go on and get vaccinated?

From: elkmtngear
31-Aug-21
Yes, and NO !

31-Aug-21
Yes recovered, no will not get vaccinated.

From: StickFlicker
31-Aug-21
Yes, and yes (couldn't even feel the tracking device going in!).

From: Mike in CT
31-Aug-21

Mike in CT's Link
Actually you can find statistics for those who have been identified as having had COVID-19 and recovered from it.

From: Reggiezpop
31-Aug-21
Mostly recovered and vaccinated after having been sick.

31-Aug-21
I'm curious what % of the unvaccinated are recovered.I never see that mentioned.

From: JL
31-Aug-21
FWIW. Doing some gozinta's based on those numbers presented....the percent of death from the virus is below.

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From: woodguy65
31-Aug-21
Yes and no not yet.

From: Shiloh
31-Aug-21
Had Covid in January and got vaccinated in august. Still had some antibodies and the first shot made me sick for about 24 hours. No regrets

From: TGbow
31-Aug-21
Im recovered drom Covid, along with my wife n daughter. I cant get vaccinated until November though, thats what I was told.

31-Aug-21
Yes. No on the vax. Likely won’t if the virus doesn’t do anything radical.

From: HDE
31-Aug-21
Maybe, I'll never know. Cough and tired for 6 weeks in Feb - Mar 2020.

From: sitO
31-Aug-21
Had it last Nov, no fever mild cold symptoms. Tested positive for antibodies in April. Have it again now but on backside, same symptoms. Figured I didn't need the vaccine, still figure that way.

From: elkmtngear
31-Aug-21
"Doing some gozinta's based on those numbers presented....the percent of death from the virus is below".

Those "recovered" numbers, are only the ones that were actually formally admitted and discharged, doesn't account for the millions that just got Covid, recovered, and went on with their lives.

So....the death percentage is probably a lot lower!

From: BigSkyHntr
31-Aug-21
Yes and no on the vax

31-Aug-21
sitO you are saying you had Covid twice? I've not heard of people getting it twice are you immunocompromised?

From: Old School
31-Aug-21
Yes - recovered No - vaccine

From: sitO
31-Aug-21
Yes twice, no "immuno" problems, but I do like beer.

From: Grey Ghost
31-Aug-21
No and not yet, but probably soon.

Matt

From: Habitat
31-Aug-21
Probably and yes and I don't know anyone that died that was vaccinated but several that weren't.

From: drycreek
31-Aug-21
Had covid last December, the actual covid wasn’t too bad considering my age and condition, but the post covid symptoms were pretty damn rough. I finally talked myself into the vaccine in March hoping it would help with post covid symptoms and it did somewhat. But despite that, my blood pressure was still very elevated, my blood sugar was also, my cholesterol was up and none of these was a problem before covid.

In early June I had a heart attack and they put in two stents. My heart doctor had been telling me for years that my heart was fine except for the afib. No blockage ! So I blame all of that on covid. I went to the post covid clinic here at University of Texas Health and that was a joke because doctors don’t know squat about post covid at this time. Not their fault, it affects everyone differently and even changes from week to week within the same person. I know that from my own experience. I finally found an online doctor (maybe;-) ) that would prescribe ivermectin and two more meds that I can’t remember and I began to get better. I feel that I’m about 80/90% recovered now and it’s about time. I’ve been sick since Christmas and that ain’t much fun. Up until about three weeks ago I spent most days in my recliner helping Matt Dillon and the Virginian corral outlaws and a-holes. It’s good to get out and do things again !

From: pav
31-Aug-21
Suspect yes (didn't get tested)...and Yes.

Last September, something knocked me off my feet for three days...very rare. Had a lingering cough and got easily winded for about six weeks. Vaccinated last March with zero side effects to date. Lost a couple of younger, otherwise healthy friends to Covid in early 2021. Was squarely on the fence about getting vaccinated until then.

From: Bowman
31-Aug-21
Yes I had it in April and spent 8 days in the hospital first two days was not fun, could not get enough oxygen but after three days got off it. Then five days of the infusion treatments. I was told I couldn't get the shot for three months but since I want to go to Canada I got my first shot two weeks ago. My wife was in the hospital at the same time but she has not gotten the shots as she wanted to talk to her doctor first. I was not going to get the shot but when I remember what I said to my self when I was laying in the hospital bed. "I sure with I had taken the shot so I didn't have to go through this"

From: bowyer45
31-Aug-21
I believe I recovered from it before it became a real issue here in the states. January of 2019, There were eight of us down in Arizona and one by one we all got it. Two weeks of hell, It did start into my lungs so I went to urgent care and got some strong anti pneumonia meds. A week later I was allot better. Then my wife went thru the same scenario. I will not get the shots! Natural immunity is better. All of us have recovered but the degree of illness varied from person to person, age differences as well as health.

From: creed
31-Aug-21
Had covid in early January and still have some issues. It threw me into AFIB and I ended up having an ablation to get it under control. Still have bouts of vertigo. And no, I am not getting vaccinated.

From: bigeasygator
31-Aug-21
Never got it. Stayed masked up in public and worked from home for the last year and a half. Got vaxed in April with no side effects. Still haven’t caught it.

From: ahunter76
31-Aug-21
We have 2 friends that have had it twice.. 1st time was not near as bad as 2nd. Both recoverd fine. 1 in 30s & one in 60s. Both females. Neither vacinated. We have both been vacinated (Maderna) & never had any problems. Wife is a Nurse & has seen FOUR that were vacinated (Maderna) & said they were very sick but not hospitilized. All recoverd.. Dr says he has seen instances with BOTH vaccines . Wife & Daughter are both nurses & feel Flu will kill you b/4 Covid.. More contagious but less deadly is their opinion.. We also know 3 who have died (they said) from Covid. ALL had underlying serious health issues. This was back when it first started.

From: kakiatkids
31-Aug-21
Had it March 2020, two miserable weeks but I was lucky it didn't affect my breathing. Got the Vac February 2021

From: Brotsky
31-Aug-21
Covid in February and ran a half-marathon this summer. No China virus getting me down. Also got the vaxx, still only two arms and one head though its questionable on the head.

From: x-man
31-Aug-21
Yes, and Yes. Still lingering cough a whole year later.

From: LINK
31-Aug-21
Never had it or the shot and I have 4 crumb crunchers at home that went to public school all of last year. I go to church, ball games and so on all without a mask. No one in my household has had it.

From: Beav
31-Aug-21
Had it last February and got the first Moderna shot in April. Got very sick with the vaccination and never got the second shot.

From: KHNC
31-Aug-21
Had it July last year. Recovered with little issues. 4-5 days total. No, didnt get the vaccine

From: Highlife
31-Aug-21
Had it twice still dealing with being easley winded fatigue. Did get vaccinated

31-Aug-21
Had covid November 2020. Not vaccinated, until work mandates it (likely soon)

From: greg simon
31-Aug-21
Had it last December (though never tested) Felt crappy for a few days and could not smell or taste for about a week, Recovered with no lasting effects. Got the Moderna vaccine in January.

From: BC173
31-Aug-21
Yes. 2 wks. in December. Had bronchitis about 10 years ago that was worse. Had both Pfizer shots. Sick with both shots. Will not get a booster.

From: HDE
31-Aug-21
"Still lingering cough a whole year later."

Me too...

31-Aug-21
Beav-I had it in August 20' had antibodies and got the first Moderna in April-and got sicker from the shot than the covid-I did get the booster so I could see a friend with ALS for the last time-wasnt sick with booster.I have a long time employee that also had it in August 20' her husband had a vaccine related stroke per the neurologist and almost died-she refuses the vaccine for that reason.

not all that refuse the vaccine are "antivaxxers" "trying to get others sick" some are truely frightened of it.

From: Bowfreak
31-Aug-21
I don't think anyone that didn't recover will post in this thread.

From: Husker
31-Aug-21
I had COVID last October and still can’t smell or taste. I don’t want anything being pushed by our government! I have hunts planned in Mexico & Canada though so I’ll probably be forced to get the shot if I want to go.

From: t-roy
31-Aug-21
^^^I’m sure a bunch of them voted in the last election, though, Bowfreak!!

Never caught it and yes, my wife brow beat me until I got the Moderna shots in May. I spent time in close proximity to Beav before getting the shots, and with sitO after getting them, so I’m confused as to wether the vaccine worked or was unnecessary….

From: 12yards
31-Aug-21
Does anyone know what the rate of vaxxed that have gotten covid compared to the rate of people who have gotten covid twice? I've always puzzled why someone who has had it would need to be vaxxed. But I've not had it that I know of, and got Pfizer in April.

From: WYOelker
31-Aug-21
Knock on wood??? Have not got it yet, work in a public school that was in session all last year, have 2 kids in public school and my wife is an NP who was a rock star care provider and worked with COVID positive patients the entire time. No illness for us, no mask except where required by work, wash our hands, go outside, take vitamins... So far going strong despite spiking Delta variants... Pray daily that our family remains free of all illness...

31-Aug-21
I had it November 2020. A couple days of mild fever and loss of energy for a couple months. I got the shots in March of 21. The first shot caused a strong reaction from my body. I had chills with mild fever and fatigue again. I did not have a strong reaction from the second shot but just felt abnormal and blah for about 3 months. My doctor said if she l had been infected she did not believe she would have gotten the shots. As she did not think there was any benefit to the shots after having covid.

From: LUNG$HOT
31-Aug-21
Yes, back in December during Christmas and New Years. No smell or taste AT ALL! No other symptoms. At this point almost everything still smells weird. And some things have a strange taste which I used to love. Coffee is the biggest one. When it’s grinding and brewing the smell is awful. I still Like the taste. Almost any kind of soda and drink with carbonation tasks very strange. Just tastes like gas.

31-Aug-21
Yes and No. Had the covid in mid December for my 55 b-day. Initially it wasn't bad but took awhile to get over the fatigue. In mid Feb. I was still short of breath so I had some tests done and found out I also survived a heart attack in the same time frame as having covid. My son who's an RN and my Dr both say get the jab if you want but you do have the natural antibodies already. I think I'll go without the shot for now

From: Orion
31-Aug-21
Damn you guys all survived? According to some people on here it's a death sentence. Never got it, no mask and no vax and I kept working and didn't stay underground like some of you.

From: HDE
31-Aug-21
"My doctor said if she l had been infected she did not believe she would have gotten the shots. As she did not think there was any benefit to the shots after having covid."

Depends on which doctor you're allowed to listen to and believe. In NM, we're not allowed to believe anyone other than who KLG tells us we can...

From: fubar racin
31-Aug-21
Yes recovered not planning to get vaccinated

From: Mule Power
31-Aug-21
Yes and NO

From: bigswivle
31-Aug-21
Recovering now, got covid two days after my first shot(moderna)Regeneron infusion is what saved me from hospital trip. Nasty stuff

From: Treeline
31-Aug-21
Probably. All the family got it - wife, kids, grandkids. Son in law and I were up to our ears in it and never got a sniffle. Guess we are just part of the 50% of people that get it with no symptoms.

Hell no on the injection (not a vaccine).

From: PECO
31-Aug-21
I have not had it, I will not get the vaccine.

From: buckhammer
31-Aug-21
Due to the occupation that my son and I have we were required to be tested daily earlier this year upon arrival to work. The second week of Feb. my son tested positive for the B117 variant.

He was required to quarantine at home for 14 days. He had nothing more than a runny nose over those 14 days. Because my son still lives at home I was required to quarantine for 24 days. I had my first moderna shot 8 days prior and experienced no symptoms over the 24 days.

My son has not taken the vaccine. I have had both moderna shots

From: SBH
31-Aug-21
Yes...but no test for us. Had it early on before they had tests and was sick as a dog for 2 weeks took 2 more to recover. I would not go in to get tested even now. Not interested in adding positive test numbers to this stupidity. If people would just get sick and stay home for a week, most would be fine. Why people even go in to get tests is beyond me. They cant do anything for you. I don't get that. Those that are REALLY sick should go in and get what little help the hospital offers. People are goin in getting tested because they MIGHT have it or have a sore throat? Barely even sick but keep adding those covid numbers up, up up. This thing would end quick if people would stop getting tested every time they sneeze/cough.......

No thanks on the vaccine.

From: PeteO
31-Aug-21
yes and yes

From: Ironbow
31-Aug-21
June of 2020. Absolutely no shot!

I have had 3 major exposures to Covid positive people since (that I know of), including my wife who was home for 10 days. Never got it again. Guess my antibodies are still good!

From: TGbow
31-Aug-21
Ove been on the fence about the vaccine. Even though Ive had covid I may get the vaccine. I look for the co I work for to mandate it. They dont have a problem ignoring certain rights except for politically correct issues, then they get crazy.

From: Blood
31-Aug-21
Never tested positive for it. Am in multiple veterinary clinics every week for work. Got the vaccine. But I’m also very healthy I would think, should I ever contract it. I’m thinking a lot of people that had bad reactions or symptoms were also not the best of health??

From: Marty
31-Aug-21
yes and no, didn't really get very sick and only lost my sense of taste and smell for about a week, so see no reason to get the shot...yet?

From: nowheels
31-Aug-21
Yes, I had it last September and got my shots in May and June. I had very mild symptoms with a fever for about 6 hrs and an intermittent dry cough that lasted about a week. I felt normal within about 36 hours, other than the cough which hung around for a few days.

My sister is an ICU nurse and they have been maxed out now for several weeks. She said the difference between this year and last is that the people now dying are mostly 40 and younger and unvaccinated.

From: nowheels
31-Aug-21
Forgot to add that I learned earlier today that one of my HS classmates succumbed to it. Don’t know his vaccine status as I hadn’t seen him in years.

From: Michael
31-Aug-21
Not sure if I had it or not. Mild fever a couple days and a cough that lingered for a few weeks. I would cough when my throat was irritated. This was March of 2020.

I have worked in 4 states since the start My job is considered essential.

Do not plan on getting vaccinated at this time.

From: butcherboy
31-Aug-21
Who knows? Maybe Thanksgiving 2020? Slight fever and normal aches and pains associated with the flu for a few days. Never lost taste or smell but stuff had a weird strong iron like smell to it but tasted fine. No cough. Had 3 employees that had it all at the same time and were out for 10 days. Felt like a cold to me for two days and I was back to work Monday after the holidays. Got both Pfizer shots a few weeks ago.

From: Geno
31-Aug-21
Slight fever for about 12 hours, felt rough . Recovered and gave blood multiple times since and every time tested positive for the antibodies for Covid. No on the vaccine.

From: bowhunter24
31-Aug-21
Had a mild case last Dec. took my first Pfizer yesterday feeling a little fog but should be ready for deer season!

From: JL
31-Aug-21
I got both Moderna shots in Feb/Mar of this year. I've got a pretty good sore throat and some sinus congestion today. The wife thinks it came from hugging on the grandkids......whose mom (my daughter) works in the ER and deals with incoming virus patients. I was hugging her too about 4-5 days ago. No other issues like a temp, diarrhea, puking, fatigue, etc......it's just like the usual, seasonal flu stuff.

I don't have a problem with the shots. Maybe the future question.....who is considering a 3rd booster shot?

My brother in FL is getting his 3rd. I'll see how he does.

From: RCDuck
31-Aug-21
Had it mid-November 2020.... didn't get tested but had all the symptoms for 3-4 days (fatigue, muscle cramps, complete loss of taste and smell) Used the "opportunity" to disappear to the woods and hunted through it. No vax for me.

From: Hessticles
01-Sep-21
Had it in October of 20, kicked my ass for about 10 days with every symptom there was, mostly recovered but still get easily winded, no Vax. Friend had it a year ago this month and still tests positive for antibodies.

From: lv2bohunt
01-Sep-21
Yes and yes

From: Knothead
01-Sep-21
Yes and Yes and I will get the booster when it is available. I am closer to 60 than 50 and I spend my day in a classroom where I see more more than 110 students daily. I believe each person is free to choose and I don't believe in Govt mandates. In this case, if I am going to error, it will be on the side of caution. By the way, I have been anti-flu shot most my life. Have only had two that I can remember and I got terribly sick both years.

01-Sep-21
I was one of the first 100K people in the world to get the Pfizer vaccines back in December. Got a booster in June.

I’ve been tested every week since 4/2020 except when I’ve been on vacation and tested negative every time.

Admitted two people to the hospital two days ago with COVID, both unvaccinated. One will either die or be left with toasted lungs which is what we’re seeing from these folks who “survive” these long ICU stays, provided they don’t have a heart attack, blood clot, etc. It’s all unvaccinated or first-time infections that are being hospitalized/dying, from what we’re seeing.

Recent study showed having the virus it is protective against dying of it in the future.

Also, for those of you that are against it because it’s being “pushed by the government,” the govt also pushed polio vaccines (almost eradicated from Earth), small pox (eradicated from Earth), tetanus (will always live in the dirt but saves countless lives per year), etc.

The math is in. Your odds are worse with the virus than the vaccine. You’re probably not going to die from either, either way.

From what I’ve seen, there’s a lot of people choosing to not get vaccinated based on some sort of political stand, like they’re betraying DJT if they get the vaccine because it was released right as Biden was inaugurated. Seen a bunch more afraid of the needle ans a bunch afraid of the side effects which 99.9% of the time are no big deal and so much worse than the disease.

It’s frustrating continuing to take care of sick and dying people when we have a pretty damn good solution. We’re privileged in the USA to have the best access to the best Covid vaccines made thanks to American industry.

Yet, we can’t give the damn things away to 40% of the country.

From: BULELK1
01-Sep-21
Yes, I had C-19 back in late January/early February 2020.

I hate to say it but I'm pretty sure I got it at the 2020 Sheep Show in Reno as I got really sick when I got home.

I have gotten both of my shots and I will get the Booster too in December.

Last year my breathing was terrible all fall on my elk hunts, I thought it was from all the smoke in the air but it turns out the gasping, kinda like Double Clutching an old truck to get a deep breath, was one of the after having C-19 medical issue's.

My breathing is so much better now although I still have that day now and then where it's tough to breath normal huffing and puffing up on the mountain.

Good luck, Robb

From: steff
01-Sep-21
Agree with Idyl. Our group also got first dose early Dec. No ill effects. At the high point, was seeing 25 positives daily. Was glad I had shot. Planning on booster when it's available. It's very frustrating to have 30-40 year olds still presenting with fever and bilateral pneumonia who test positive and are unvaccinated! It's also frustrating to call patients who test positive with their results, and hear the bar/restaurant background noise. It speaks to our society!

From: midwest
01-Sep-21
Thanks, Ike.

From: carcus
01-Sep-21
Its a miracle I didn't get the virus, if I did I was asymptomatic, I work in ICU and our unit was all covid, I've had so many exposures and can tell you 100% that my vaccine worked. I got the Pfizer back in January. Second shot kicked my arse a little but was still able to do some ice fishing

From: Ben
01-Sep-21
My wife and I both had it in Jan of 2020. She had a little harder time than I did. Mine lasted about 5 days that was really feeling bad hers lasted 6-7 weeks and ended up having to use an inhaler ( Abuteral sic). Nether of us have long term effects. No we did not have the vaccine and have no intentions of having it and have all the antibodies we need. We also only wear masks at hospitals and doctors where they are required.

From: 12yards
01-Sep-21
Ike, I got the vaccine, but the big unknown is longterm impacts of the vaccine. Totally an unknown, am I correct? Or is there no risk there in your opinion? I worry about younger people/young couples and their future having kids. Could it cause issues with their babies?

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21
carcus - "Its a miracle I didn't get the virus, if I did I was asymptomatic, I work in ICU and our unit was all covid, I've had so many exposures and can tell you 100% that my vaccine worked."

If you had "so many exposures" prior to your indoctrination inoculations and didn't catch the China virus, then how do you know they worked?

Pretty sure I had it around Thanksgiving of '20, symptoms no different than bad cold/bronchitis. No indoctrination inoculations for me.

01-Sep-21
12yards, life is full of unknowns and is all about calculated risks. You could get killed in your car today. How many different medications have you taken in your lifetime? How many different immunizations? This is no different. Nothing in life is riskless.

So far, the math in that we have shows that it's more dangerous to have COVID than to have a Pfizer/Moderna vaccine and there's enough data and shots given at this point to say that they're safe.

From: Treefarm
01-Sep-21

Treefarm's embedded Photo
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Unfortunately, the vast majority misunderstand how viruses work. I am happy if you believe you are building up immunity without the vaccination, unfortunately, this virus is much more virulent (Delta) so if you are exposed and not vaccinated, your odds of survival plummet drastically.

As the virus again mutates, if you become infected, you will suffer horrible consequences. Unfortunately, those choosing not to vaccinate are selfishly taxing the health care system and using valuable ICU space for those who are truly needing it.

Not vaccinating is very selfish for you those who can and for whatever reason do not. The vast majority of the medical workers including many bright MDs I have worked with are vaccinated ...are these people somehow duped into a world-wide conspiracy, that is just naive to think so. So, before you flat out say you will not vaccinate, think about what your death would do to your families knowing that death was preventable simply by vaccinating. Attached is an Aug 16 snapshot showing Sarasota Memorial. This virus may not be in your small circle, but as winter approaches and people are in closer contact, it will again spread to a wide area.

Please vaccinate, if not for you, your families. Death due to this virus is so preventable by being immunized. Better to have a mild case of COvID due to vaccination than cooling in a morgue missing bow season.

From: spike78
01-Sep-21
Tree farm, in the grand scheme of things when it’s all said and done I’m seeing a 1% mortality rate with Covid. Is that figure wrong?

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21

Hackbow's Link
Treefarm - "...those choosing not to vaccinate are selfishly taxing the health care system and using valuable ICU space for those who are truly needing it.

Not vaccinating is very selfish for you those who can and for whatever reason do not..."

It is demonstrably factual that driving at higher speeds - even if allowed by law - results in more traffic accidents and traffic fatalities. My guess is that when the speed limit is 70, you don't drive 55 and don't call the speed limit drivers "selfish" for exercising their rights. Traffic accidents and fatalities don't just affect the driver. There are passengers, pedestrians, other vehicles occupants, family members, etc.

Remember when we were forced into a national 55 mph speed limit? It saved lives - demonstrably so (see link). So, by your reasoning, if one drives the allowed speed limit, they are being selfish because there is a great chance of causing harm, or even death, to others. Never mind that the numbers are incredibly low to begin with - its all about the virtue signaling and letting others know that you care SO MUCH MORE than them.

Please drive below the speed limit, if not for you, your families. Death due to this crazy driving is so preventable by going slower. Better to give up your rights and arrive late than cooling in a morgue missing bow season. ;o)

BTW Treefarm, your graphic doesn't break out those that previously had the China virus and didn't take the indoctrination inoculation. Why do you think that is?

From: StickFlicker
01-Sep-21
If you guys hear that I've died from Covid this year, please make sure I'm buried in California. I want to be able to vote in the 2024 presidential election!

01-Sep-21
Treefarm-Delta "more virulent"? More contagious not as deadly.

From: Potro
01-Sep-21
I haven´t had COVID, and yes I got my vaccine

From: elkmtngear
01-Sep-21
"Treefarm-Delta "more virulent"? More contagious not as deadly".

Correct. Death curves don't match the case curves, like they did back in January

So, odds of getting Delta and surviving are very good, and you would get the added bonus of superior natural immunity.

Just a common sense observation

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21
Shut up elkmtngear. There is no common sense allowed and lack of fear will not be tolerated. Do you not know that the incompetent bureaucracy is better at making decisions for our lives than were are?

From: 70lbdraw
01-Sep-21
What are you guys doing to protect yourselves from the murder hornet? They're here, and they're deadly! I've chosen not to go back into the woods until they're eradicated. If any of you fellas were smart, you'd do the same thing! You could DIE!

From: deerhunter72
01-Sep-21
I agree with Idyll right on down the line...

I had Covid last October. Wouldn't have really known it other than I lost my sense of taste and smell. The only lingering effect I can detect is a weird slight loss of hearing.

I had the Pfizer vaccine in late December. Sore arm after the first shot and sore joints after the second. I will get a booster when it's allowed.

So many people want to make this political. It's not. As Idyll pointed out, vaccines have basically wiped out some pretty bad illnesses. Idk that the COVID vaccines will do that or not, but I work in healthcare and facts are facts: we are seeing a younger population get the Delta variant and the VAST majority are unvaccinated. Think about putting your politics aside and do what's best for your family, if not for you.

I lost my coworker who sat 10 feet beside me to COVID on Jan 2nd. He turned 45 while on a vent fighting for his life. He didn't have any known risk factors when he got sick but it turns out that he most likely had a stroke when they vented him due to an undiagnosed heart issue. Yet he fought for 2 months. None of us knows what undiagnosed problems we might have right now.

My employer, here in the communist state of Illinois, has very recently mandated vaccines. I don't like that and I don't agree with it, but I'm surprised they waited as long as they did. They wouldn't mandate until they knew the FDA was going to give full approval to the first vaccine. A few days later, our socialist governor also mandated vaccines for all healthcare and school workers, and state employees I believe. I think more and more states will follow suit.

From: JL
01-Sep-21
FWIW........I figured I'd go to the local health dept and get a free rapid test. They stopped doing the no appt necessary - just drive up routine. You now have to make an appt and they have non for Sept.

I then figured I'd go ahead and pay for the home rapid test you get at the local drug stores. I went to our CVS and Walgreens. They are all sold out. The last store said folks were buying multiple kits. I don't know if that is for everyone in that family or the home test kits are being hoarded by people??

So....if ya got some symptoms and want to confirm/deny your status via the health dept or the drug store home rapid test....plan ahead.

From: Habitat
01-Sep-21
Vaccines have pretty much wiped out smallpox,measles,polio and several others. What makes some people think this vaccine is any different? I'm sure there were some people that had side effects to some of the older vaccines also and they are required for children entering school,funny how some are freaking out more because a kid has to wear a mask.If you have any doubts you just haven't seen enough people you know suffer from it.

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21
"What makes some people think this vaccine is any different?"

Flu and pneumonia vaccines have not wiped out those viruses. Cold viruses can't be controlled. People injected with this current bunch of miracle drugs are still getting sick. They simply aren't necessary but are being used in political warfare against our freedoms. THAT is why most of those not getting them are pushing back. It's not the killer it's been made out to be and many lives have been adversely affected by the "cure".

From: elkmtngear
01-Sep-21
"Flu and pneumonia vaccines have not wiped out those viruses"

But, maybe the magic Covid shots have almost wiped them out???

From the CDC: During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons.

Only 1675 Cases in the entire Country...isn't that weird?

Please allow the Bowlibs to "Libsplain" that one to you..

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21
"Libsplain" LOL!

Like increasing confiscatory taxes on producers while increasing entitlements to non-producers is not socialism. Like murdering children is "healthcare". Like allowing multitudes of sick, undocumented, illegals into the country is NOT opening borders. Like advocating for children to choose a gender counter to their DNA is science. Like more gun control laws aimed at law-abiding Citizens are effective against criminal activity. Like black lives matter only when they are "oppressed" by whitey but not when they are murdered by other blacks. Love me some Libsplainin'!

From: deerhunter72
01-Sep-21
“ People injected with this current bunch of miracle drugs are still getting sick. They simply aren't necessary but are being used in political warfare against our freedoms. “

Hackbow, you are correct in saying that flu and pneumonia vaccines aren’t wiping out those viruses and you are also correct that COVID vaccinated people are still getting COVID. But, those “breakthrough” people are not getting as sick now as unvaccinated. This is a fact being borne out in hospitals all over the country right now. You obviously are against the vaccine and I could care less, but politicizing what medical people are seeing in the hospitals right now doesn’t do anyone any good.

From: Hackbow
01-Sep-21
deerhunter72 - "...politicizing what medical people are seeing in the hospitals right now doesn’t do anyone any good."

I've politicized nothing. I've only responded to the attempts at forcing people to receive a treatment for something that has a greater than 99% survival rate. The heavy-handed, coordinated response by our various government entities, big tech and the media only serve to let us know they want more control.

I don't care if you wear a behavioral control device, get the indoctrination inoculation or even line-up to get quarterly boosters. I do, however, care if you try to force me into compliance with this lunacy.

01-Sep-21
I suspect I had it when they were trying to do that bogus impeachment and calling trump a xenophobe and no I will not get the jab. Funny how Fauci predicted a worldwide pandemic within the next four or five years back in 2014 and then come to find out he was funding the Wuhan lab and now I hear he owns stock in one of the companies giving the vaccine

From: Matt
01-Sep-21
"Correct. Death curves don't match the case curves, like they did back in January

So, odds of getting Delta and surviving are very good, and you would get the added bonus of superior natural immunity.

Just a common sense observation"

Half the US population has been vaccinated against COVID between then and now and the vaccines do a very good job in keeping people from dying. The disconnect between positive cases and COVID deaths should come as a surprise to absolutely no one at this point.

01-Sep-21
It’s also no surprise that vaxed are catching the variant, spreading it and themselves being hospitalized and dying in some instances. Some are saying the vaxed are the main spreaders of the variant. Of course that doesn’t go with the narrative some would have you believe. I guarantee the government is looking for any reason to lock down again and punish those who don’t agree or think for themselves and have dissenting views

From: Matt
01-Sep-21
"Some are saying the vaxed are the main spreaders of the variant. "

Some are idiots. But if you really think that the people who were conscientious enough about COVID to get vaccinated and who are generally less contagious than the unvaccinated due to the shorter duration of infection on account of having been vaccinated are the main spreaders, you go right on ahead believing that.

There is a good reason that states like Mississippi, which has relatively low vaccination rates, is having a much harder time with the disease right now than the states with relatively high vaccination rates.

But you are probably right - it's the vaccinated minority in states like Mississippi who are the REAL problem. Damn them....

01-Sep-21
I’d say that those who have had it and recovered have better immunity than a synthetic vaccinated person does. No need call someone an idiot because they don’t agree with Fauci or the WHO

01-Sep-21
As another reference point, Mississippi also has some of the highest occurrences of diet related comorbidities such as diabetes and obesity, which we know are the leading causes of poor covid performance. Low vax rates combined with a generally unhealthy populace is a perfect storm.

From: spike78
01-Sep-21
I believe that the vaccinated are the spreaders as they now feel more immune and have no problems being around a lot of people and not wearing a mask. Just come to the chemical plant I am contracted at and see for yourself.

From: spike78
01-Sep-21
Just read that Joe Rogan got the Covid. He said he had all the treatments including Zpac, Ivermectin, and vitamins and felt better on day 3. Funny I wonder if everyone got this treatment how many would be alive today. Also maybe if Fauci got stock in Ivermectin more people would be alive today.

From: blackwolf
01-Sep-21
yes and yes and will get booster in Nov

01-Sep-21
Got the first shot, then 2 weeks later got the China virus, so the second shot was delayed a couple weeks. Recovered fully.

From: deerhunter72
01-Sep-21
Hackbow, read back through your posts and if you still think you aren’t politicizing COVID then you need to look up the definition of the word.

I agree with you that the death rate compared to the overall population is very low. However, I guarantee you that your attitude would change if someone in your family or a close friend were to die from COVID.

From: Treeline
01-Sep-21
Hopefully the draw odds for the really tough to draw tags will get better soon…

From: Fulldraw
01-Sep-21
Yes/No vax

From: Matt
01-Sep-21
"I’d say that those who have had it and recovered have better immunity than a synthetic vaccinated person does."

And the unvaxed who haven't yet contracted COVID? People will say almost anything, no matter how non-sensical, and unabashedly move the goal posts to reaffirm their personal beliefs.

"I believe that the vaccinated are the spreaders as they now feel more immune and have no problems being around a lot of people and not wearing a mask."

Yeah, because the naysayers who are unvaxed, refer to masks as "face diapers" and claim to have not changed their daily routine since the onset of the pandemic are conscientious about social distancing and mask wearing?

From: Hackbow
02-Sep-21
LOL deerhunter72 - I don't need to read through my posts...I wrote them. This thing was politicized from the word go. False narratives were created immediately. Small businesses were shut down while big businesses were given the green light to rake in the profit. I sure as hell have responded to the politicization with everything I can. But those of you unwilling to live life without government supplied safety nets fueled the politicization of it.

And if you've read all my posts then you may know of some of my personal experiences with the China virus - none of which have moved the needle the slightest bit for me. Like most who've been around the sun a few times, I've lost friends and family in a variety of ways. My views have remained the same; life is inherently dangerous, life is messy and life is for the living. To cower or permanently disrupt our economy out of fear ain't living.

For the umpteenth time, I want you to live any way you like - including curled up in fear - that's your choice. But the second you begin forcing/mandating/shutting down & destroying others' behaviors and livelihoods, you are the problem and you are the one politicizing it.

From: Screwball
02-Sep-21
Yes to both shots. I an my wife had it late November. I was sick and down for 11 days. Unfortunately my wife was sick for 4-5 weeks and is a long hauler. Still has the effects, shortness of breath, back aches, etc. We will get the booster. Vaccine: it is not a vaccine, polio, MMR, have vaccines they prevent the illness. These shots are not a vaccine. As a doctor friend of mine said, if anyone creates an actual flu vaccine, covid etc. they will be a gazillionaire.

From: Mike in CT
02-Sep-21
I read through all the posts in this thread again as there continues to be a good deal of confusion and unfortunately, perpetuation of some misinformation on both the disease and the vaccines. I’ll try to address them and hopefully provoke some to re-examine the wealth of information that is readily available.

I came across a post that raised the issue of those getting tested in spite of only having mild symptoms adding to the total number of COVID-19 cases. While factually accurate this paints an inaccurate picture of inflating infection statistics with no obvious benefit to the public health. To begin with, there are in many diseases a progression of symptoms and there is also something known as secondary infections that can lead to severe symptoms and death. A very obvious example is the cold can progress to bronchitis or pneumonia; one can tough out a cold feeling “it’s just a cold, I don’t feel that bad” and wind up with pneumonia and in an ICU and possibly the morgue.

Accurately assessing the prevalence of any disease is predicated upon having accurate statistics of infections; this includes ALL detectable infections regardless of how mild. Having this information accomplishes some very good things; it helps define effective public health safety measures and it provides a much higher certainty on metrics like case infection and case mortality rates.

I’ve seen questions on long-term effects of the vaccine being unknown; if we’re speaking in terms of long-term immunity provided by the vaccines I’m in complete agreement. If we’re speaking in terms of adverse effects that many only manifest months or years later then no; those types of long-term effects are by and large only seen in long-term exposures to pharmacological agents, not vaccines.

I have seen some questions about the efficacy of the vaccine being known given many report multiple exposures (to those with COVID-19) but no infections. Exposure to an infectious agent does not guarantee infection, let alone disease. Infection is predicated upon certain factors; immune status of the exposed and viral load present in the person they have been exposed to. Further, as up to 80% of a healthy, immunocompetent population experiences either an asymptomatic or mild infection it’s very likely that a good portion of those reporting no infection did in fact have one, many without ever knowing it. What is known (and there is no shortage of data to support this) is that fully vaccinated individuals (absent any underlying conditions or being immunosuppressed) are presenting far fewer cases of serious illness or hospitalizations than the unvaccinated population. To say this is beyond dispute is an understatement and that it is in dispute only highlights the degree of politicization surrounding this pandemic and the willingness of some (in politics and the media) to fan the flames of some of the most baseless claims I’ve ever seen in over 30 years in the infectious disease world.

I continue to see a 1% mortality rate hyped as a reason not to vaccinate (it’s unnecessary). Not to quibble but it’s about 1.6% or so and the danger in taking an overall number for mortality is that it overlooks the significant increase in mortality that begins as you move up from the 50-59 year old demographic to those over 80. In the world of the microbe there is no discrimination in terms of infection but there is a decided level of discrimination in those they kill; the older you get the higher the likelihood of mortality; this is why public health policies predicate a strategy of infection prevention.

I have seen mentions of the abnormally low flu season; actually this was not unexpected in my world as many of the preventative practices to contain COVID-19 produced this benefit. What is often omitted in this discussion is the significant decrease in other respiratory infections, notable among them RSV infections.

I found the comment about death curves not matching case numbers seen back in January; this one was quite frankly astonishing given the realities of the vaccination campaign. The vaccines that some seem certain don’t work were designed to prevent serious illness and hospitalizations to ease the crushing burden on the US healthcare system. It is astonishing that anyone could fail to make the connection between a lowering of mortality given that we’re now approaching 170 million fully-vaccinated Americans and an efficacious vaccine. Add this one to the list of things I’ve never encountered in all my experience; an earlier time and this would be shouted from the rooftops as a glowing example of the “can-do” attitude of the American people overcoming a public health emergency.

And on the subject of the vaccines, for hopefully the last time, they are by every established definition most definitely vaccines.

Finally, on the issue of variant development and spread; anyone who is willing to undertake a modest effort can find quite a number of well-constructed studies that show it is the unvaccinated who are predominantly doing both. While both vaccinated and unvaccinated are capable of initial high viral loads in the vaccinated population those viral loads decrease rapidly to the point of being non-contagious while those in the unvaccinated do not.

In the event there is a lack of recall on some important points I’ll reiterate mine:

1. We would have been far better served by only sequestering the most vulnerable and allowing the healthy, immunocompetent population to have and recover from infection while we developed vaccines and treatments. 2. Natural immunity produces effective antibodies and has the added benefit of also producing cell-mediated immunity. Studies have shown that up to 20% of the US population has some cross-protective CMI (from exposure to other types of Coronaviruses). 3. The decision to vaccinate is a personal one and is best made at that level and being armed with every bit of available information and in consultation with a trusted family physician. I do believe it is in the best interests of public health to be vaccinated however.

I hope this has been helpful to this discussion.

From: deerhunter72
02-Sep-21
Mike in CT, thanks for your expert opinion. Why/how people chose to ignore facts is beyond me. There is no point in doing that other than to make political statements that having nothing to do with what is actually playing out. All of your points are spot on and I completely agree with you that the decision to vaccinate or not should be a personal one.

Hackbow, I guess what you're saying is that you are intentionally contradicting yourself?? You must've been hell on the debate team.

From: Hackbow
02-Sep-21
Not quite sure what contradiction you happen to see there dh72. When those 'in charge' of our government and media fail and lie repeatedly, I tend to question their motives and/or abilities. I will also hold them accountable in any way I can as well as argue against those who blindly support such incompetence and propaganda.

Mike in CT's three important points above are exactly what most reasonable people have been saying since the beginning, especially point #1. When those 'in charge' including a lying, manipulating Fauci - Mr. Top Doc himself - screwed that up from the get-go, I became suspect of all their announcements and edicts. If they had contritely said they got it wrong on the roll-out, I would have listened with a more open mind. However, when people in power lie, fail, manipulate, coerce and threaten their constituencies, my visceral reaction is to not trust them or their mouthpieces. But you feel free to jump in line.

02-Sep-21
Thank you to Mike in CT for your thoughtful and thorough post!

From: HunterR
02-Sep-21
"I hope this has been helpful to this discussion."

It definitely has and is much appreciated.

02-Sep-21
If the experts would recognize natural immunity as at least equal to vaccinated, I think people would be more open to what they say.

CDC says no travel this weekend if unvaccinated. Millions of unvaccinated have natural immunity and are likely safer to travel than vaccinated people but that doesn't get mentioned.

Hospital and death counts don't include those that are infected a second time when listing vaccinated or unvaccinated.

02-Sep-21
"Some are saying the vaxed are the main spreaders of the variant."

Some people say the Earth is flat.

All the data that we have show that vaccinated people shed less virus and are less contagious. Supporting many of the nay-sayers, natural infection does, indeed, provide protection.

Nonetheless, the people most at risk of hospitalization and death, are the unvaccinated/uninfected. Those numbers are undisputable.

As far as society and politics, I think it's well-past time to open up the country and allow people to stand on the immunity that they've decided to live with because the ability to get the vaccine is now ubiquitous.

02-Sep-21
"If the experts would recognize natural immunity as at least equal to vaccinated, I think people would be more open to what they say."

This ^^^^^^^^

02-Sep-21
Mike, thanks again. And, where is the 1,6% mortality rate coming from? I ask as you have shown that you aren’t willing to sway results based on biased. However, it’s a known fact that health departments inflated deaths. Even stating as such. How does that factor in with the data so paramount for good decisions?

From: KSBOW
02-Sep-21
We are currently living in a crazy world. Idy has some good research, and makes some very good points. Currently I work in the medical field and never thought something would create so much division.

Had COVID in November fairly mild and was in-line to get the vaccine as soon as it was offered by my employer. So I will not throw a bunch of medical knowledge or understanding of infectious disease at you, I am a Social Work Case Manager, and Direct our SW and Medical Case Management departments. What I will tell you is COVID has affected health systems more than anything I have seen in my 10 years of working in Medical facilities. Its a mess. Choice is very important to me and thats why I choose to get vaccinated. I have strong dis-trust with our government and their decision making and still I choose to get vaccinated because I believe the science is fairly strong here. IF you choose not too that is your right, but please do your research, look at the studies, not 30 second news clips trying to get attention.

Unfortunately based on current situation it looks like COVID is going to ruin my Elk Hunt, based on our facilities situation and my staffing I will be unable to be away in September. I knew this was a possibility in the work I do. Instead of listening to bugles I will be listening to argument of COVID and watch as hospitals continue to be overwhelmed with the staff they have left.

From: Shiloh
02-Sep-21
If Biden had half a brain, which he doesn't, he would hire Mike from CT to speak on behalf of the government!! He is much more comprehendible than anyone else I've heard.

From: Habitat
02-Sep-21
Getting the vaccinations is what stopped all the other major viruses such as small pox and measles why would any one think this would be any different.Maybe if the insurance companies said we aren't paying hospital bills unless vaccinated the conspiracy thinkers would get vaccinated.

02-Sep-21
Or...maybe the leadership has been so awful at sending a consistent believable message backed by data and common sense that it has made the vaccine a hard sell.

From: midwest
02-Sep-21
Thank you, Mike and KSBOW for all you do.

From: deerhunter72
02-Sep-21
Habitat, that’s a good point. Wouldn’t surprise me if an insurance company tried to do something like that.

I won’t say anymore because I’ve already been branded a liberal on this thread. Ignorance is bliss.

From: spike78
02-Sep-21
I think the main problem here is every time I hear Fauci speak my mind instantly thinks of a weasel. Anyone else get this feeling?

From: deerhunter72
02-Sep-21
Spike78, I agree. He’s a political hack.

From: Matt
02-Sep-21
"Or...maybe the leadership has been so awful at sending a consistent believable message backed by data and common sense that it has made the vaccine a hard sell."

Or maybe if people would stop obsessing about what the leadership says and independently research more trustworthy sources of data, they could develop a more informed and objective perspective on the subject? It's pretty easy. Really.

The only apparent downside is that it might eliminate one thing to complain incessantly about, which seems the raison d'etre for some.

02-Sep-21
Fauci can't walk past a camera.Between him and the CDC they completely confused the populace

02-Sep-21
Matt

I agree the leadership is not very trustworthy.

From: Orion
03-Sep-21
So habitat and deerhunter72 should insurance companies charge obese people more? You know since heart disease and other bad diet/obese ailments kill a lot more people than Covid.

From: Mike in CT
03-Sep-21
Justin,

Apologies for the slow reply; I have been using Worldometer and they get their statistics for the US from the Public Health sector (state DOH's). In all honesty I think we're probably as close as humanly possible to a true case fatality rate given all the variables.

Way back about a year and change ago this is where I indicated I felt the CFR would eventually wind up at. I had cautioned that the reports of anywhere from a 5-7% CFR were premature as we really didn't have a handle on the baseline we truly needed, the actual number of infected patients. I indicated it would be at least a year into the pandemic before we would have an idea and only then should we speak in absolutes about the CFR.

Yet another glowing example of the negative impact of politics.

From: Hackbow
03-Sep-21

Hackbow's Link
"So habitat and deerhunter72 should insurance companies charge obese people more? You know since heart disease and other bad diet/obese ailments kill a lot more people than Covid."

Orion - I think you're onto something. Copy & paste below is straight from the CDC. If insurance companies are going to charge more for obese people, then it would only be FAIR to charge obese Blacks, Hispanics, Indigenous & Islanders more than their obese White counterparts. SCIENCE!!!

Oh, and do a little digging into STD's and GSW's by race. Super fun reading. Add that to the price of insurance algorithms and schedules. We can start a new cause for health justice - Health Justice Warriors!

From link:

Racial and Ethnic Groups Most Affected by Chronic Diseases

Heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and stroke are among the most common causes of illness, disability, and death in the United States. These chronic conditions—and the factors that lead to them—can be more common or severe for some racial and ethnic groups. For example:

From 2017 to 2018, 49.6% of non-Hispanic Black adults and 44.8% of Hispanic adults had obesity, compared to 42.2% of non-Hispanic White adults.

From 2013 to 2016, total age-adjusted diabetes (diagnosed and undiagnosed) was higher among Hispanic (17.9%) and non-Hispanic Black (16.8%) adults compared to non-Hispanic White (10.0%) adults.

From 2017 to 2018, American Indian and Alaska Native adults had the highest age-adjusted prevalence rates of diagnosed diabetes by race/ethnicity for both men (14.5%) and women (14.8%). Native Hawaiians and Other Pacific Islanders are more than twice as likely as non-Hispanic whites to have diagnosed diabetes.

From: deerhunter72
03-Sep-21
Orion, I said it wouldn't surprise if an insurance company tried to do something like that. I don't think they could get away with it but when has that ever stopped a giant company from trying to do something stupid. Our government let GM file bankcrupcy and wipe all kinds of debt and then turned around and financed setting them back up. They hung stock and bond holders out to dry. That was criminal, but backed by the govt.

BTW, you don't need to tell me about heart disease because I have it. It's genetic and it has taken a few family members way too soon.

From: midwest
03-Sep-21
"So habitat and deerhunter72 should insurance companies charge obese people more?"

No, but non-smokers and non-obese customers should get a discount.

From: Orion
03-Sep-21
I agree but we know that will never happen. I just find it funny that people want to charge unvaccinated people more for insurance because of their personal decision, but yet people who decide to eat like crap and treat their bodies like a trash can and severely impact our insurance and hospital load get a pass???

03-Sep-21
My wife and I are currently recovering from Covid. We are dosing Vit C D3 Zinc Quercitin and melatonin. I was prescribed Ivermectin and an inhaler just in case. My wife was prescribed ivermectin as well. Our Dr has seen excellent results with it and is 100% confident it will keep people out of the hospital. When I went to fill our Rx I couldn’t get my pharmacy to fill it. They questioned why and told me they would need to call my Dr before they do anything. After a time they told me they were out and it’s on back order. So I proceeded to call about 10 different pharmacies in the Omaha area. I found 1 that was willing to fill my wife’s ivermectin and had it on hand. I also found 1 pharmacy and pharmacist who said he had plenty but would not fill the script for ANYONE with covid or for preventative covid measures. He was an arrogant piece of crap of a Dr and human being. I told him what he was doing should be criminal and he was very ill informed. The FDA and CDC in their vehement recommendations against the “dangerous”misuse of ivermectin to treat Covid patients is egregiously unethical and evil. I have faith my wife and I are going to recover, but to have a government and so called medical professionals deliberately choosing to deny safe alternative treatments is going to be seen in history as yet another stain on this country. I hope those that agree with what is being done and actively participating someday understand Who they will have to answer to and how long and hot the fires of eternal hell are. There’s one good thing coming out in all of this... This virus has exposed the forces of evil In this country on both sides of the political isle. We know who the goats are your horns are not hidden. To those sitting on the fence...satan owns it so good luck with that.

From: TreeWalker
03-Sep-21
The Covid pandemic is a wonderful test for IQ, understanding of science and willingness to accept weak sources of information as valid sources. Some will fail the test and Darwin is pleased. Never has a vaccines had complications that only arose years later. Never. Not one. Typical is within a few days. A few weeks is the outside range. Covid vaccines have had millions of does going back over a year and the only side effects that were observed in a medical setting were noted within days and adjustments were made in who gets that particular vaccine version. I think there are two many people that don't listen well, are gullible and not very smart. Darwin is cleaning house. Some great estate sales in my area. Keep doing what each of you are doing. No need to doubt your gut instinct.

From: soccern23ny
03-Sep-21
https://coloradosun.com/2021/08/11/nissan-of-durango-covid-outbreak/

Death rate amongst unvaccinated in this instance... 33% kill rate.

But hey, I just stick to my horse grade dewormer, hydroxycholoriquin, and ample doses of sunshine in my veins and I'm fine. Just take my word for it!

Personally i think this is a double reverse conspiracy by the russians and koreans. You got covid going around, they sewed the seeds of anti vax/covid is fake. Now they are planting false treatments that don't hep you but actually hurt you. All in an attempt to get red blooded republicans killed! So thennnnn the libtards can take over, drive the country into the ground. At which point the ruskies and swoop in and take over a weakend lib controlled america!!! Republicans you are only hope from the russians! Don't be moths to the ivermectin... it's what they want!!!!

From: trublucolo
03-Sep-21
Yes, and yes.

04-Sep-21
"So habitat and deerhunter72 should insurance companies charge obese people more? You know since heart disease and other bad diet/obese ailments kill a lot more people than Covid."

they already do. insurance is based on risk. higher risk, higher premium.

From: spike78
04-Sep-21
Yeah soccer so Joe Rogan feeling great after day 3 due to ivermectin and D3 must be wrong.

From: Bill in MI
04-Sep-21
I don't think he posted on BS but we lost Michael Strahan to COVID this week. He was an Alaskan guide and river expert having wrote 'Float Hunting Alaska's Wild Rivers'. RIP to a good guy.

From: boobowmen
04-Sep-21
You can credit whatever you want to but Joe Rogan said he threw the kitchen sink at it so unfortunately I don't know if we will ever know what exactly helped him. Not that I care about Rogan but I give him credit for getting tested and wish there was away to know what actually cured his symptoms.

From: Treefarm
04-Sep-21
I didn’t realize Joe had parasitic worms. It would reason he feels better, as I am sure others would, after treatment with ivermectin. As for a clinically relevant outcome for COvID inhibition, treatment with ivermectin just hasn’t shown that promise and has killed many who believed going to the vet section and self-medicating was a good idea. Now those ground up minerals from Polynesia, get them now. Throw in some aroma salt therapy (with Country Music), a sure COvID cure. I heard it on social media it worked for somebody.

04-Sep-21

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Treefarm-how many died from going to the Vet section? Numbers?

From: Orion
04-Sep-21
"So habitat and deerhunter72 should insurance companies charge obese people more? You know since heart disease and other bad diet/obese ailments kill a lot more people than Covid." they already do. insurance is based on risk. higher risk, higher premium. That is completely false. Especially individuals who get insurance through work. They are not charged more for insurance, co-pays, or doctors visits. They are also not denied cared like some are suggesting for un-vaccinated folks. Oh wait that's already happening look what happened to Candace Owens.

From: spike78
04-Sep-21
I’ve read story after story of ivermectin helping. Gee if I’m on my death bed like I’d rather the doctors around here keep the tube in my mouth and aspirin like they have been doing. You guys read that the government is not advocating Ivermectin so it MUST be bad. Gee get a damn open mind!

From: TGbow
04-Sep-21
I returned to work this past monday after being off from Covid. 3 weeks. Me, my wife and daughter had it. I thank God we recovered.

04-Sep-21
I'm not saying ivermectin is a miracle but the science is interesting.Even more interesting is the organized condemnation in the US vs the rest of the World. I believe it will be shown to play a role in treatment.Its a mistake imo to repost ridicule of something without investigating it.

From: TGbow
04-Sep-21
it seems strange to me that they suppressed Ivermectin. Dont know much about it really

04-Sep-21
What I've heard is it makes you less contagious by decreasing viral load in blood (not saying it as proof just what I've heard)

I had covid in August 20' I was only mildly Ill for 4 days.Ivermectin tastes horrible btw ;)

From: JL
04-Sep-21

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In light of my post a couple of days ago about searching for a rapid test, I did a little home work a bit ago. I wasn't up to speed on the different tests used to check for different things. I figured I'd put it out there for general consumption. Take it FWIW.

From: Thornton
05-Sep-21

From: Treefarm
05-Sep-21

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4Nokz,, I am not sure it is possible to track with the level of granularity of those who believed ingesting ivermectin would help them recover from the COvID infection and went on to die. Death surely has happened as those desperate to survive something a COvID immunization would very likely have prevented if taken in first place.

All the “miracle” potions touted as saving from COvID infection do very little if anything to help an infected person survive. Those that do survive want so boldly to tell others that these unproven potions were the reason for their survival. This is what perpetuates the unproven efficacy of these potions, thus inhibiting people from getting immunized. These potions give some a false sense of hope that immunization isn’t needed. It is pretty safe to say, there is a mountain of data out there showing that immunization is the way to survive COvID unless your own immune system is strong enough. Ivermectin is not the golden ticket to survival and if people feel it lessons the infection severity, feel free to partake. He said/she said certainly can’t be wrong! Nobody knows how the infection severity would be with or without these potions, it is naive to state the certainty and discredit body immunity.

05-Sep-21
" That is completely false. Especially individuals who get insurance through work. They are not charged more for insurance, co-pays, or doctors visits."

even group insurance is rated for overall age and health of the group. a group of a hundred unhealthy 60 year olds will pay more than a group of healthy 20 year olds. If everyone within a group is paying the same, it is simply a matter of the young and healthy members of the group subsidizing the older and unhealthy members. also, many group plans offer lower premiums, lower copays, lower deductibles and other incentives for healthy lifestyles, non smoking, weight loss, etc. they might call it a discount for the healthy but it is actually a surcharge for the unhealthy.

05-Sep-21
Potions? Lol.

From: BowenAero
05-Sep-21

BowenAero's Link
Joe recovered

From: Zim
05-Sep-21
Yes had full blown Covid November 9th totally ruined my deer season. No so far I have decided not to get a vaccine. I did get a positive antibody test for a family event last month. Resume five state travels October 1st. Been reading about natural immunity test results trying to educate myself about my future plans. I’ll be taking extreme preventative measures to minimize my exposure risk this deer season for sure.

From: midwest
05-Sep-21

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05-Sep-21
Does Bowsite qualify as a meaningful social connection

From: Knifeman
05-Sep-21
Got a positive test Aug 20th. Just now pulling out of it. Worst 2 weeks of my life, but I survived. I felt like I might die a few times, dont eat for 10 days and things get real. Dont know if I will get the shot, my wife was vaccinated, and got covid right along side me. Hers was not as severe by any stretch, but it seems to be hanging on longer.

From: Candor
05-Sep-21
Covid in February. Was not bad at all. Started with some neuro-muscular issues during covid that have gotten worse but manageable. Muscle fibres fire on their own (fasciculations) and have some postural tremors in my hands. Flipping hate it. My internist freaked me the heck out and suggested I might have ALS.

6 months later and I got the first vaccine shot 2 weeks ago. Hours 12 through 36 were worse than having covid. I took a bath I felt so bad. Have not gotten the second shot yet.

There is no black and white decision. We don't know enough about the virus or the vaccine relative to different variables to say what is the absolutely right or wrong decision.

I know I would give a lot of money not to have gone through these neurologic issues.

05-Sep-21
Candor x2 only I had mild case-the first shot was worse than the covid.

Knifeman she had 2 shots and caught it? Wow.

From: Knifeman
06-Sep-21
Wife had both moderna shots as required by her employer. One person in her office got covid before the shots were available, got better and got both shots, and now has covid again. It happens.

From: TGbow
06-Sep-21
I think Im better off getting the vaccine than not. I have to wait till November since I recently had Covid, have to wait 90 days. But, I have a big problem with mandated vaccines..should be a person's choice..

From: 3dvapor
06-Sep-21

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Has anybody looked at Israel. They are the road map for where this country is going with vacienes. 84 percent of the country is fully vacienated but yet 11,000 cases a day a couple weeks ago. 80 percent of them are vaccinated. Also know this the numbers of vaccinated to unvacinated in our local hospital are purposely being manipulated by the hospital. Unless you have been vaccinated by our group/ company and you show up at the hospital. They consider you unvacinated. In other words if you went down to the local pharmacy and received the jab there you would be considered unvacinated in the legacy system. This keeps the news narrative going forward. Also my wife and other nurses have said they've never seen so many amputations stroke codes, heart issues in the last 4 months compared to the last 4 years. All I'm saying is follow the money on this thing and wake up. We will be entering into a new year soon and another variant. Along with that will come more fear mongering more useless mask, booster shots for all and new vacienes to the new varients. It's an endless cycle blamed on the unvacinated to further divide us. These vacienes I believe are extremely harmful to some but a stroke or a heart attack a week or three down the road will never be linked ever! To many in the system carrying the water. Just try and get those numbers of who's really filling our hospitals now. I know ours is 10 percent covid the rest is really sick people. It's usually a ghost town during the summer.

06-Sep-21
Hope she recovers quickly knifeman.I thought fully vaccinated people were safe.

From: TGbow
06-Sep-21
Shawn..you kiddin? You mean they are not reporting people that have been vaccinated as vaccinated? Dang..thats crazy. I didnt realize that

From: Knifeman
06-Sep-21
4nolz, thanks. We are both coming out of it, probably take a bit but we are going in the right direction. It helps she is in wonderful shape and a health nut. Me, not so much lol

From: Papadeerhtr
09-Sep-21
Yep recovered in April this year! Why get vaccinated natural antibodies way better!

From: Matt
09-Sep-21

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"Has anybody looked at Israel."

Absolutely, Israel is a great case study in just how effective the vaccines are at preventing serious illness or death. While Israel is experiencing significant numbers of breakthrough infections (more infections now than during the last wave, with a 9,600 case 3-day average on 1/13/21 versus 12,900 on 9/3/21), the number of deaths is way down (3-day average of 77 on 1/25/21 versus 32 on 9/5/21). That represents a 58% reduction in deaths despite higher case counts.

EDIT: I just ran some numbers on the most and least vaccinated US states. From the peak deaths during the Dec./Jan. surge, COVID deaths in the most vaccinated states (VT, MA, CT) are down 75% (239 deaths/day at the Dec./Jan. daily peak, 59 deaths on the daily peaks during the current surge). In the 3 least vaccinated states (MS/LA, WY), deaths are down 3% (254 deaths/day at the Dec./Jan. daily peak, 246 deaths on the daily peaks during the current surge). The vaccines work.

From: TGbow
09-Sep-21
One thing is for sure, we dont have meseals and small pox any longer because of vaccines...but its the misinformation on both sides that keeps me on the fence.

From: Treeline
09-Sep-21

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Not sure I’m buying what Matt’s trying to sell. Not sure why he is trying so hard either…

The above graph is the daily cases.

From: Treeline
09-Sep-21

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This is the deaths from Covid.

From: Treeline
09-Sep-21

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And the recovery rate. After the slight dip in recovery in March and April 2020, it has been basically 100%, even before any injections were available.

From: Treeline
09-Sep-21
Now Israel is mandating a 3rd jab to be considered “vaccinated”.

Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Based on analysis of the curves, expect another wave in 3-6 months…

From: Matt
09-Sep-21

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The point is pretty obvious, but I will use pictures instead of words to explain. Israel's case counts have increased 22% from Dec./Jan. to now as depicted by the red arrow in the first picture. Absent an effective preventative measure/treatment, deaths should have increased commensurately. But they didn't. In fact, they have actually declined 49% over the same period (blue arrow in the second picture). That can predominantly be attribute to the effectiveness of the vaccines keeping people who contract COVID from dying.

"And the recovery rate. After the slight dip in recovery in March and April 2020, it has been basically 100%, even before any injections were available."

The recovery rate has not been basically 100% since....it wasn't. If you were to place your cursor on the line you purport to be flat, you would see that the COVID death rate as of 12/10/20 when Israel's vaccination program was initiated was 0.88%. As of the most recent date, that has declined to 0.69%. While the nominal reduction is not that significant, it represents a 22% decline in the death rate over that period. Again, the vaccines work - which is the point.

From: 2 points
09-Sep-21
got Covid around Thanksgiving. Still have not gotten smell or taste back. No vaccine, no way

From: lamb
09-Sep-21
just a thought. maybe the deaths have dropped not from the vaccine but covid has preyed on the weak and sick first ? like in nature they are the first to go. maybe the people recovering are healthy and the vaccine wouldn't make a difference anyway. and ya i know healthy people have died from it .the flu kills healthy people also.

09-Sep-21
You are safer recovered than you are vaccinated and never infected. So if Biden forces vaccination shouldn't proof of recovery be enough?

09-Sep-21
I can’t speak for everyone. But, I think I can say most who aren’t getting the vaccine is not political. I know that’s not the narrative being pushed by the msm. Or, the insinuations given daily by anyone who feels the vaccine is the only correct answer.

I’d say all that line of thinking is wrong. It’d take one ignorant human being to stand on that rock since DJT himself took the vaccine.

It’s just a different belief in what we are being told. The vaccine work? You bet it does. As intended? Probably not as well as hoped. Is it treat having that option. Yes it is.

What’s also great is knowing that vaccine or not, when it’s your time, you are leaving here. It’s the only way to explain how varied the virus affects people. Science can’t or never will explain it because society isn’t interested in that. All they want is to be convinced they aren’t going to die.

I shake my head reading these threads. I really can’t believe men of principle can’t allow others the same. Stay home if you expect others to be responsible for your health. It is that simple.

From: Hackbow
09-Sep-21
lamb beat me to it.

The most sick, most frail, most immunocompromised, etc. have already died in relatively large numbers for their group (huh...who woulda guessed that?) while the young and healthy under 70 have made the China virus look like a walk in the park, again relatively.

But in the spirit of never letting a good crisis go to waste, the left and their allies, the chicken littles, still think it prudent to stop the world from turning, alter behavior forever and find new & exciting ways to punish those who do not willingly load up into the rail cars.

Still curious what the percentage of those dying in round two are previously recovered and unjabbed. I've asked on at least a couple threads but none of the resident fear peddlers seem to have an answer for that.

From: Matt
09-Sep-21

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"just a thought. maybe the deaths have dropped not from the vaccine but covid has preyed on the weak and sick first ?"

Do you think that 49% of the Israeli population died from COVID to make the numbers work?

From the linked article, and the answer would be "no", and it shows that the people who think they will not get a serious case of COVID are the ones who are disproportionately getting serious cases of it:

"Nationally, adults under 50 now account for the most hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the country — about 35% of all hospital admissions. Those age 50 to 64 account for the second-highest number of hospitalizations, or about 31%. Meanwhile, hospitalizations among adults over 65 have fallen significantly."

From: PoudreCanyon
10-Sep-21
Am still in the process of recovering - tested positive August 12. Still have lingering cough and a little shortness of breath. Perfect accoutrements for a 10 day elk hunt starting next week.

From: spike78
10-Sep-21

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Yeah nice try Matt. If we are talking statistics see link. The population by age shows over 65 to be way less then the younger age groups sometimes by half.

From: Matt
10-Sep-21

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"Yeah nice try Matt. If we are talking statistics see link. The population by age shows over 65 to be way less then the younger age groups sometimes by half."

I am not sure what point you are trying to make, unless you are of the opinion that COVID affects all age groups similarly which it does not. Attached is a link to the CDC website which shows that the disease massively disproportionately affects older people in terms of hospitalizations and death. This is why it is notable that with the Delta variant the numbers are skewing toward younger age groups.

The table uses the 18-29 age group as the reference group as it has had the most cases of COVID of the various age classes. The table shows that those who are 50-64 are 4x more likely than the reference group to become hospitalized by COVID and 30x more likely to die.

From: Matt
10-Sep-21

Matt's Link
Here is another page on the CDC website which can be configured to show which age groups are catching COVID. You will note that the 5-11 age group has come up very significantly since 12/31/20, where they 2nd lowest and are now 4th highest. 12-15 and 16-17 are now the highest groups in terms of new cases/week, likely due to being to young to be vaccinated and going back to school in person.

The 75+ group was mid-pack at 12/31/20 but now has the lowest level of new cases - likely due to the benefits from the COVID vaccines.

From: azelkhntr
10-Sep-21
Had it back in Feb of "20. Weird cold symptoms that lasted for 3 weeks. Wife first then me. Both the same symptoms. I was 66, no comorbidities, very healthy and active and that was that. Strong antibodies probably for life. No x-vaxs will be taken in this family circle under any threats to livelihoods period. Todays chances of you surviving the Covid 19 are at 0.0587%. In case you haven't noticed its the x-vaxd who are breeding and producing the new variants not the unx-vaxd. Variants of viruses are always weaker then the original strain which probably doesn't even exist any longer in nature.

From: spike78
10-Sep-21
No Matt it’s likely due to the 75 year olds being less abundant then younger age classes. Stop pushing your crap. Biden loves people like you.

From: spike78
10-Sep-21
Amazing with Covid how the stock market keeps reaching record highs. North Korea is great at Propaganda like our country is great at smoke and mirrors. Man you people are GULLIBLE.

From: Matt
10-Sep-21

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"No Matt it’s likely due to the 75 year olds being less abundant then younger age classes. Stop pushing your crap. Biden loves people like you."

So by your logic those 75+ year olds were abundant in December 2020 when their case rates were high, but then their numbers were dramatically less abundant in September 2021 when their case rates dropped to the lowest among the various age ranges? That is some fine thinking right there.

"Amazing with Covid how the stock market keeps reaching record highs."

Solid comment considering the stock market has been down 5 days in a row predominantly due to COVID concerns. Do you even think before you post this stuff?

From: billygoat
11-Sep-21
My wife and I believe we got it January, '20 from attending the National Western Stock Show in Denver. Lots of people there, many from the west coast. We didn't immediately suspect that because we didn't know it was here yet. We didn't miss any work, but we both had worse than average cold symptoms plus a cough/ragged breathing for about 6 weeks. My wife is now on the downhill side of a much milder case of it. Somehow, I managed to not get it. I have been trying to do the right things to support my immune system. Neither of us got the shot, so far...

From: spike78
11-Sep-21
Really Matt, the Dow went up roughly 15000 points since Covid started all the while people collected checks for sitting on their asses. I apologize for the last 5 days even though I’m sure that will be reversed next week.

From: LINK
11-Sep-21
I still haven’t recovered. I’ve never had it but I have 1/2 CC of Ivermectin in my orange juice every morning….. JK I just wanted to watch some of you get triggered. 4 crump crunchers in my house that went to school all of 2021. None of us have had it, be afraid… be very afraid.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Sep-21
"Really Matt, the Dow went up roughly 15000 points since Covid started..."

Umm, that was after it shed 10,000 points in one month reacting to COVID concerns. But don't let facts get in your way, Spikey.

Matt

From: Nemophilist
11-Sep-21
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/members-congress-aides-exempt-bidens-vax-mandate/

From: Nemophilist
11-Sep-21
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/members-congress-aides-exempt-bidens-vax-mandate/

From: spike78
11-Sep-21
GG why the hell does that matter? It dropped 10,000 points and has since rocketed back up non stop. Probably propped up by the Fed and their never ending money tree.

From: Grey Ghost
11-Sep-21
"GG why the hell does that matter? "

I was wondering the same thing ever since you brought it up. What exactly was your point about the stock markets, and how does it relate to the topic of the thread?

Matt

From: BULELK1
14-Sep-21
What a difference a year has made from last year Wyo-bow elk hunting to this year in the Wyo- same area for having C-19.

Last year gasping and having to stop about every 50-75 yards.

This year, cruising right along and had No breathing issue's.

Sure, I got huffing and puffing packing out an elk but who doesn't!

I'm really happy that I might have out lived the side affects?

I'll be getting the Booster in mid-December.

Good luck, Robb

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