Why so many stupid Political Threads?
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wildwilderness 19-Sep-21
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19-Sep-21
I thought the Community Forum is dead? Why are there so Many stupid purely political posts? Where are the mods?

I thought this was a bowhunting forum…

From: HDE
19-Sep-21
There are so many stupid political threads because the Community Forum was taken away and nothing ever replaced it.

From: Huntcell
19-Sep-21
Because it pays the bills.

Click totals thru the roof.

From: sticksender
19-Sep-21
Doesn't bother me but I haven't even opened most of them because I don't visit here for that stuff.

From: DanaC
19-Sep-21
"Because it pays the bills. Click totals thru the roof. "

yup

From: Woods Walker
19-Sep-21
Here you go.....if it's a political thread, then don't click on it.

From: thedude
19-Sep-21
Because tags are getting too hard to draw

From: PECO
19-Sep-21
I like them.

From: cb
19-Sep-21
I'm going to Montana elk hunting in a couple weeks.... I need to look up some old TBM posts for tips on getting a bull.

From: sitO
19-Sep-21
You leave the thinkin to us

19-Sep-21
It's interesting, we are in uncharted territory for our country and you can only debate broadheads and skinny camo pants so much.

From: Matt
19-Sep-21
What else are the guys who have advanced degrees in constitutional law and immunology supposed to do with their time?

19-Sep-21
Because it’s ruining some of our lives and can’t be ignored maybe?

From: Ermine
19-Sep-21
Because we are living in some of the dumbest political times

From: RD in WI
19-Sep-21
I find the political threads fascinating and read them in earnest without commenting. I applaud Mr. Lefemine for allowing people to relieve some of the pressure they are experiencing through their posts.

From: RK
19-Sep-21
RD

Well said and spot on !

Sometimes real life important issues trump recreational activities.

From: Wapitidung
20-Sep-21
20-Sep-21
Maybe because many Americans are sleeping while their water is being poisoned and someone’s trying to let you know?

From: jdee
20-Sep-21
Yeah I thought Pat did away with the community forum now it seems like this one should be renamed….bow site/CNN forum.

From: BTM
20-Sep-21
Good one, Matt!

20-Sep-21
“Why so many stupid posts”.

Because We don’t want be too biased against our liberals Bowsite members and block their posts. :^))))

From: woodguy65
20-Sep-21
On the first page there are 100 threads - 7 of them are "Political" including yours. So 7% of the threads...hardly much to get upset about. You also have the choice to literally ignore them.

They are relevant since they effect hunting in many ways especially our outfitter friends in Canada and the hunters and fisherman who like to head North, let alone all the issues within the US.

20-Sep-21
Because so many hunters voted for the exact same party supported by PETA, the ASPCA and HSUS. When is the last time you remember so many hunters voting against hunting? Yes, many on this forum actually voted against hunting and gun rights.

20-Sep-21

Charlie Rehor's embedded Photo
Charlie Rehor's embedded Photo
Wake up.

From: Old Bow
20-Sep-21
RD in WI Agree

From: HDE
20-Sep-21
"What else are the guys who have advanced degrees in constitutional law and immunology supposed to do with their time?"

And only fools sit around on their thumbs waiting for "experts" to tell them what to do next...

20-Sep-21
Can you imagine what type of hunter sides with PETA, HSUS and the ASPCA on humanizing animal pain and suffering issues, gun laws, banning dog hunting, banning trapping, banning apex predator killing, and wolf promotion. These are only a few.

From: Grey Ghost
20-Sep-21
What's interesting is the 7% of political threads on the first page represent more total posts than the rest of the threads combined. And that doesn't include the 2000-plus post mega-Covid thread that was shut down. Kinda sad, but it's a sign of the times, I guess.

Matt

From: t-roy
20-Sep-21
^^^GG….might be because the same 8 guys post 95% of the comments on those threads…Maybe Pat could limit each poster to a maximum number of posts per political thread??

Say, perhaps 10? :-/

From: Franklin
20-Sep-21
Something is surely changing. One of my most anticipated threads is the "Mule deer meatpole".....it barely clings to the first page, if that.

Not saying there is any correlation but our political/current events certainly effect our beloved sport.

From: JL
20-Sep-21
X4 on RD's perspective. I don't have any problem reading other folks opinions even if I disagree with them. That includes politics, best/worst broadheads and bows, shot placements, shot distances, Chinesium products, camo patterns, fishing pics, retirement advice, (let me add the difference between baiting and bait plots!) etc.

I just looked at Archery Talk to see what they had for political topics. You can do a site search and see various older threads covering everything. (Not topic related really....but IMO....AT's problem is they have way too many forums and sub-forums. Many do not have any recent activity either. That is the first clue their forums are too spread out WRT to all the various subjects/topics they have. It gets cumbersome navigating around there. They are in dire need of some forum consolidation/deletion.)

20-Sep-21
Correct, Only liberals ban opposing views. Then preach to us about diversity

In the past when there were other outlets for the truth. There wasn’t a need for a site like this for sportsman to Post personal views. Now those outlets are dwindling. Unless you dare to get on some of the sketchy sites. Thanks to Pat for this forum.

All social media forums and mainstream media ban or filter any opposing views.

Soon This may be the only forum that still allows honest debate for sportsmen

From: Ken Taylor
20-Sep-21
I too am very interested in what other hunters think about how ridiculous our politically correct western world has become and how it affects our hunting lives.

I live in northern bush country and it's nice to know that I'm not alone.

From: x-man
20-Sep-21
I love a good healthy debate. It's when the same small group of individuals "have to" have the "last word" that turns debate into childish argument.

There are brainwashed extremists on both sides that represent 2% of the population but get 98% of the attention. That's the shame of it...

From: spike buck
20-Sep-21
Will we get rid of Trudope today or get another 4 years of him??

From: Grey Ghost
20-Sep-21
"Correct, Only liberals ban opposing views. Then preach to us about diversity"

If you don't think Bowsite is subject to censorship, try starting a thread with a topic that is contrary to the general consensus around here, and see how long it lasts.

Let's be honest. Most of the political threads on Bowsite are a bunch of guys preaching to the choir for bias confirmation. The handful of guys who don't march to the prevailing drum beats get labeled as "libtards", or worse. There is no honest and civil debate on those threads, just the usual backslapping, hand-wringing, and spreading of misinformation, IMO.

Matt

From: JL
20-Sep-21
^...great question Spike. I'll be watching what is going on with JT today. The below was in the Chicago Tribune a bit ago. Good luck in getting rid of him....it will be interesting.

""Trudeau gambled on an early election in a bid to win a majority of seats in Parliament. But the opposition has been relentless in accusing Trudeau of calling an unnecessary early vote during the pandemic — two years before the deadline — for his own personal ambition

Polls indicate Trudeau’s Liberal Party is in a tight race with the rival Conservatives: It will likely win the most seats in Parliament, but still fail to get a majority, forcing it to rely on an opposition party to pass legislation.""

From: Timbrhuntr
20-Sep-21
You need to start a new political thread for that spike buck ;)

From: Hackbow
20-Sep-21
Interesting that some want certain discussions to be stopped or limited to a certain number posts here, or anywhere for that matter. Not a single one of us pays a dime for our inclusion on this space, yet many seem to feel as if they have some stake in how it is run by the individual who owns it.

These threads are easily ignored. Not a single person is being forced/mandated/coerced/etc. into clicking onto a political post.

HOWEVER...if one were to be duped into believing that a political post may have something to offer, then, upon clicking on it, discover it may be difficult subject matter with which to deal, they should feel totally free to remove themselves from the scary digital space and go find a thread about which tampon brand will best help their shooting or stay in the stand longer.

Seriously, what is with the desire to limit someone else's opinion or voice especially when you have the opportunity to not even engage in the conversation - unlike the whole China virus/behavioral control device/indoctrination inoculation debacle we have all been forced to deal with? If these type of things trigger your delicate sensibilities, maybe just scroll on by and don't click on those threads that might drive you to tears.

20-Sep-21
Matt, Your correct name calling isn’t helpful. People get passionate and say things they probably wouldn’t if we were sitting around a fire with an adult beverage. I would hope.

20-Sep-21
I would never sit around a campfire with someone who voted with PETA, HSUS and the ASPCA, never!

20-Sep-21
I have two very close friends that are 180 degrees from my political views. I am amazed that people that intelligent can be so wrong :^)))). But we are able to have passionate disagreements and civil arguments and remain friends.

If I can’t make a good case that they are ill informed by politicians and media.

and try to change some of their thinking they will socialize with like minded people and nothing will improve.

From: Chief 419
20-Sep-21
Fine. No more political threads allowed, but can we at least keep the Covid threads alive?

From: Ambush
20-Sep-21
"Will we get rid of Trudope today or get another 4 years of him??"

This election may be full of surprises, but my prediction is a SparkleSocks/liberal minority.

The Conservatives may eek out a thin minority, but they (Erin O'Toole actually) really alienated a bunch of their base when they tried to herd some more lefties into the tent.

Regardless of who wins and after all the deals are made, there will be another election forced in about two years. Unless some kind of long term coalition deal can be made.

But the Clown Boy will be done soon. He's lost his luster and the big boys in the back room are already deciding how to cut him up and who to serve him to.

I hope his ego is so bruised that he hangs himself with his own panty hose.

From: Will
20-Sep-21
My guess - the CF had a lot of active posters. It went bye bye, and those same folks still had relationships with folks "on the board" overall, so some topics would end up landing here in the main forum.

Have to admit, the "just dont click on it" thing seems reasonable.

GG pretty much summed up the rest of my thoughts on it overall.

From: tobywon
20-Sep-21
I'm thinking about starting a Pfizer thread to help eliminate the Covid threads...haha

From: deerhunter72
20-Sep-21
I find the political threads interesting. Still amazing to me how polarizing they can get, especially the Covid ones.

From: Hackbow
20-Sep-21
"Still amazing to me how polarizing they can get, especially the Covid ones."

They are polarizing because there are those who would demand that others think and behave a certain way. Just like the crybabies who complain about political threads and wanting them shut down - the 'behave & believe my way' crowd cannot tolerate a divergent point of view, so they want those voices canceled.

From: Matt
20-Sep-21
"Correct, Only liberals ban opposing views. Then preach to us about diversity"

That is an ironic statement considering there were calls by some conservatives to ban a couple of posters who expressed opposing views on a couple of the political threads.

More like "it is championing the truth when we call for censorship, but it undermines freedom and will ruin our country if they do it".

There are sheeple on both sides.

20-Sep-21
I have several former hunting buddies who went Liberal Marxist. Two are in unions, one has a gay son, and one's wife is a socialist. There are other issues to consider I guess.

I bet there are far more here than you think, they stay silent.

20-Sep-21
I participate in the political threads but have no issue if Pat decides to disallow them. Lots of threads that are about bowhunting on here have zero interest to me and my take on bowhunting so I just skip them.

From: JL
20-Sep-21
Again...IMO, it's ok to read what others are thinking even if in YOUR heart and mind you know it's wrong. Trying to censor others, especially "hunting others" is what the low information, committed leftists do. If you choose to participate in a discussion and disagree with someone else's position, come up with a better counter-point and state it.

There's folks I wouldn't be political besties with or hang with for very long. Likewise, they might not like my traditional, conservative views. I have an older neighbor (hunter/fisherman) whom I sent an anti-Biden meme to last year and he said he doesn't want any part of Prez Trump. For a harmonious climate in the hood....I haven't asked him how his Biden vote is turning out? ;-) I'm sure he is avoiding talking anything politics with me. No worries on my part though....I might come up with a spiffy yard sign for 2024.

WRT the CF......as I recall from a PM I received, there were/are some external issues that necessitated closing it down. It sounds like some folks may not be aware of the external issues. Letting some previous topics that would have been strictly CF material drift or blend into the other forums is IMO a very good compromise.

20-Sep-21
“In the United States, while the right to keep and bear arms is constitutionally assured, hunting is a privilege to be repeatedly earned, year after year, by those who hunt. It is well for hunters to remember that in a democracy, privileges, which include hunting, are maintained through the approval of the public at large ".

This is why politics matter!

From: BowSniper
20-Sep-21
"I'm thinking about starting a Pfizer thread to help eliminate the Covid threads...haha"

That would only eliminate 70% of them. LOL

From: 2Wild Bill
20-Sep-21
"I'm thinking about starting a Pfizer thread to help eliminate the Covid threads..

No eliminations with breakthroughs happening, too bad.

From: ahunter76
20-Sep-21
Charlie Rs photo said it all.

From: DanaC
20-Sep-21
The concept of a political 'spectrum' is lost on some.

"If you don't agree with me 100% on EVERY issue you must DISagree with me on EVERY issue," seems to be the mindset. We used to call people who thought that way 'radicals.'

You might be surprised at how much you have in common with people you routinely demonize.

From: DanaC
20-Sep-21
Didn't you post that earlier pretty much verbatim? You're starting to sound like a broken record of a certain been-banned-six-times poster we could all name...

From: JL
20-Sep-21
^.....hey...if you're talking about KPC (Kevin)....I say bring him back if he will is willing.

From: Will tell
20-Sep-21
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Boo Hoo, ho, ho. Anyone been evicted, gone hungry, been denied medical care. Anyone been arrested for their views, anyone on here have anything bad happen to them because of who's in charge. Political parties win and lose but nothing really changes. In the last 50 years I can't think of one thing that has changed the way I live. Good hard work and wise choices means a whole lot more than that Political crap everyone's bitching about. So if your life sucks look in the mirror and you'll see who is responsible.

From: TD
20-Sep-21
People can (and have) "made calls" to legalize pedophilia.... doesn't mean it happens. Well, apparently unless you have the right political/mob connections....

I much appreciate the occasional political thread and miss the old CF. Then those who wished to remain with their head up their.... er, in the sand, could do so unsullied with all the visions of unicorns and rainbows dancing in their heads......

There are but handful of such threads (love to see the analytics on those few but very popular threads) But if you don't want to read these threads..... DON"T CLICK ON THEM! Why in God's green earth would you CLICK ON THEM AND READ THEM? Every heading I've seen there was no mistaking the subject.... no clickbait, no deception. Unless it bothers you what OTHER PEOPLE are talking about and feel it's up to you to squelch such open communication.... then offhand I'd say your problem might actually be part of THE problem. Fear and Apathy are one thing (OK, two things). Demanding others don't talk or communicate on subjects you don't like?

That's one Foxworthy likely says "you might be a One World leftist if you......"

Thinking that politics has no bearing on your hunting is..... naive. At best. If bothered that people are getting involved in discussion.... maybe don't click and leave it go. I believe it's called "lead, follow or get the hell out of the way...."

As to the "why?" Ermine ten ringed it above. (that's bow n arra talk don'cha know....)

From: ohiohunter
20-Sep-21
I don’t know Bill… last time I checked inflation was very real, mandated vaccines, the threat of another large scale terror attack on US soil just got exponentially higher, ammunition prices through the roof if available, Stock market teetering.. Things aren’t looking too good…. But I guess if you look away and fiddle your diddle you’d never know the difference.

From: cord62
20-Sep-21
Good post Will tell, I agree. "IT'S EASY TO SUCCEED IN A WORLD FULL OF FAILURE" From the late, great, HOWIE CHIZIK The Talk of Akron 1100 WNIR!!!!!

From: wvfarrier
20-Sep-21
I love these threads.....hilarious

From: itshot
20-Sep-21
we are now politically divided right down to our food, clothing and shelter....religion, patriotism and education are too far gone

political threads expose the divide between rational thought and pure insanity

all of it affects, or will affect, the outdoors and especially hunting at some point

the CF was effectively defeated by the tolerant, diverse, open minded, educated, enlightened, inclusive, equitable left.......because, they can

tune in or tune out

From: trublucolo
20-Sep-21
lol, yep. Most of the thread titles tell you what's in a thread, and take about a second to scan. Pretty easy to keep right on scooting if you see something that doesn't appeal.

From: Whitey
20-Sep-21

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I think people have had their head in the sand long enough and they are starting to get that pretending things are ok isn’t going to work any longer

From: spike buck
20-Sep-21
Trudope won the election.... has another Minority Government.

From: JL
20-Sep-21
Spike...isn't there another election in 2 years? Canada is going down the road California did. How many Canadians will flee Canada now?

From: HDE
20-Sep-21
"So if your life sucks look in the mirror and you'll see who is responsible."

This happens for two reasons. One is when you compare your life to someone else's subjective definition of success. For some it's notoriety and money, for others it's raising a family right and providing for their needs. The first guy will think the second guy is a failure. Not true.

The other reason is bad timing, like when a POS takes advantage of you and leaves you holding an empty bag. Can't blame yourself really for the second reason...

From: Quinn @work
21-Sep-21
"I'm going to Montana elk hunting in a couple weeks.... I need to look up some old TBM posts for tips on getting a bull."

Really could of used some of them there tracking spiders last week. :)

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
" political threads expose the divide between rational thought and pure insanity"

Aye, and each side thinks the other is nuts. As someone pointed out above, there's usually the small group on the far ends of the spectrum declaring that anybody who isn't in lock-step with *them* is the enemy. If you ain't 100% with me you must be 100% against me.

Problem is, for almost everyone 'my political beliefs' is a large set of positions on a wide range of issues. Some interlock, some do not. Most people have a unique 'set' of positions. But the radicals on both sides think that everyone must be in perfect agreement on *every* issue. "You don't think all federal lands should be privatized? You're a communist!" "You don't think all guns should be banned? You're a Nazi!"

If the 1 percenters on both sides would ever stop shouting, conversation is possible. Otherwise it's two cars crashing because they hate each others' bumper stickers.

From: Catscratch
21-Sep-21
I get the OP's sentiment. This place is called bowsite... and it's been argued (successfully) many times in the past that due to it's name and nature that it's no place for rifle, crossbow, shotgun, or pistol hunting. Seems odd to me that these things that are so related to hunting is taboo while all this other stuff is good. I personally don't care either way. I find it easy to follow the "don't click if ya don't want to see" or just find a more appropriate forum to contribute frequent. Not that difficult to avoid personally unwanted content. I do see his point though.

21-Sep-21
“In the United States, while the right to keep and bear arms is constitutionally assured, hunting is a privilege to be repeatedly earned, year after year, by those who hunt. It is well for hunters to remember that in a democracy, privileges, which include hunting, are maintained through the approval of the public at large ".

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
Just curious, Mizzou, do you have 'ballot initiatives' where you are? Because some of us here remember losing trapping and bear/hound hunting to a vote. We fought it hard, but got bunny-hugged. Don't remember seeing you there...

21-Sep-21
"I get the OP's sentiment. This place is called bowsite... and it's been argued (successfully) many times in the past that due to it's name and nature that it's no place for rifle, crossbow, shotgun, or pistol hunting. Seems odd to me that these things that are so related to hunting is taboo while all this other stuff is good."

simply put...partisan politics and politicians will continue to have a huge impact on bow hunting. if we keep electing politicians that aren't 100% dedicated to protecting what we do, it is only a matter of time before it all goes away. fred bear was right when he said "if youre not working to protect hunting, you are working to destroy it."

21-Sep-21
And in the big picture, it largely hinges on which administration is voted in power. I never thought I would see the day when actual hunters, the HSUS, the ASPCA, Friends of Animals, and PETA all vote for the same president and staff. We have it today fellas, just read this forum to see the Biden supporters. Of course, most are silent.

21-Sep-21
Just to be clear, hunting in the USA is NOT a constitutional right, it is merely a fragile privilege which can be revoked at any time.

From: Grey Ghost
21-Sep-21
" Just the small sample here shows how lopsided this problem is we have about 97% of BSers have it correct and realize how frail our hold is to our Rights. We just need to educate these few how wrong they are."

So, you think posting political opinions to a forum that is 97% like-minded to you is an effective way to "educate" those who aren't?

Matt

21-Sep-21
97% is too high in my opinion. Most are silent, so yes it may make a small difference when the Biden lovers realize how they undermined the rest of us. Identify , and throw them out of your camps.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
" Identify , and throw them out of your camps. "

Really? Nobody would be welcome at my fire who doesn't respect the privacy of the ballot booth.

21-Sep-21
Yes, really!

From: Grey Ghost
21-Sep-21
Missouri,

Can you definitively identify a single Bowsite member who voted for Biden? Just because someone doesn't march to the far right drum beats, doesn't mean they voted for him. You probably think I did, don't you? If so, you're dead wrong. So, am I welcomed in your camp?

Matt

From: HDE
21-Sep-21
Hunting is a right, not a privilege.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
"Hunting is a right, not a privilege. "

While I may agree with you, 'philosophically speaking', the reality on the political ground says otherwise. It's a dam' shame that the Founding Fathers didn't encode it into the Bill of Rights, instead leaving it up to the states. I've seen that 'right' stripped away all too easily, with no back-up from the courts, to take it for granted.

(Yeah, most states have 'something' on their books, or at least hunter-harrassment laws, but it isn't 'harrassment' if they *vote* it away. Democracy ain't perfect!)

21-Sep-21
That's interesting I had to look it up.In Florida it is a State Constitutional right.

21-Sep-21
There is no right to guarantee a hunting season on any animal. It is not your right to hunt wolves unless there is a hunting season, as an example.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
Glad some of you at least have State level protection; here I can not depend on that. (And sorry, no I ain't moving. J'y suis, j'y reste.)

21-Sep-21
MBs correct the DNR sets the regulations on species.

Hey let's start a wolf thread it's more funner :)

From: Catscratch
21-Sep-21
"§21. Right of public to hunt, fish and trap wildlife. The people have the right to hunt, fish and trap, including by the use of traditional methods, subject to reasonable laws and regulations that promote wildlife conservation and management and that preserve the future of hunting and fishing. Public hunting and fishing shall be a preferred means of managing and controlling wildlife. This section shall not be construed to modify any provision of law relating to trespass, property rights or water resources.[3]"

KS has the right to hunt but I agree that it's fragile, and if the wrong set of politicians get ahold of the regulations a lot of it can disappear. "subject to reasonable laws..." leaves a lot to interpretation. What I consider a reasonable law is probably a lot different than many other voters.

From: x-man
21-Sep-21
There are currently 23 states that have secured the "right" to hunting and fishing regulations. This however should not be confused with a constitutional right. Hunting in each state is a privilege that can be revoked by said state if/when rules and laws are broken by an individual.

In short, the feds cannot currently take away the states "right" to secure hunting but, each state has the "right" to revoke a persons "privilege" to hunt.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
" Hey let's start a wolf thread it's more funner :) "

Ahh-woooooo!

From: Grey Ghost
21-Sep-21

Grey Ghost's Link
x-man,

We must have searched and found the same link. What's interesting is that link indicates Florida has no right to hunt or fish in their Constitution, which further research shows is clearly wrong.

Matt

From: Z Barebow
21-Sep-21
"Why so many stupid political threads"?

Stupid politicians.

21-Sep-21
GG maybe I didnt look it up right I just googled if hunting was a right.

From: ohiohunter
21-Sep-21
Dana, wouldn’t surprise me if you voted against hounds and trapping, after all we know you voted against America. You reflect your states politics well. Don’t be crying to people in other states for your state’s f ups…. But I guess that’s kind of the democrat way huh.

From: HDE
21-Sep-21
The right to hunt is a concept, the privilege is the practice. The right to be self-sustaining, or self-reliant is a concept, the privilege is actually doing it. The right to vote is a concept, the privilege is exercising it. The right to bear arms is a concept, the privilege to use it is none of the government's damn business.

Rights are concepts in existence and therefore cannot be taken away. The ability to pursue those rights can be hindered...

21-Sep-21
It is clear state politicians duped some hunters. Make no mistake, voters, the DNR and the Feds will decide your ability to have huntable populations.

From: KSflatlander
21-Sep-21
"The right to bear arms is a concept, the privilege to use it is none of the government's damn business."

Unless you use it to commit a crime, kill someone, take it to a government building, try to carry it on a plane, are a felon, so on and so on. There are some things we all agree where your right to bear arms does not supersede public safety like carrying one on your person on a plane. The 2nd amendment is a right but just like every right in our constitution there are limits. And acknowledging this does not make you a communist's or gun grabber.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
"Dana, wouldn’t surprise me if you voted against hounds and trapping, after all we know you voted against America. You reflect your states politics well."

OH, that is the quite simply the stupidest smear that anyone here has aimed at me, and that's saying something. It might surprise you to know how many hunters and anglers and shooters and people there are here working to preserve the outdoor sports.

The ONLY thing you MAY have right is that I did not vote for Donald effing Trump. Which STILL does not tell you how I voted. Because in spite of your either-or mindset, there are other candidates on the ballot.

From: ohiohunter
21-Sep-21
It’s ok lil buddy, I’m fully aware of how “perfect” your state is. FULLY.

From: x-man
21-Sep-21
I hear Pat's changing the name of this website to "Rightwing (feathers).com"

From: TD
21-Sep-21
Why "political threads"? In this day and age it's clear you simply cannot follow your traditional news/authority sources as people have been conditioned to do their entire lives, pretty much having lived and been herded through institution after institution of some form or another, many since preschool, some all the way to the grave. Elitists feel they must guide you though your life even if they have to make such hard moral sacrifices to their character, like hypocrisy and dishonesty. They make these for your own good..... being the selfless people they are.

Their ego and vanity can't allow them to see the real reasons are power, wealth and control. That would destroy the entire narrative that they are trying to stamp out racism or save the planet or the cause dujour and you plebes and commoners can't do it for yourselves, you need ME to do it for you. That give ME a higher value, more value, or virtue, than you.... And there will ALWAYS be a cause. They cannot exist without one to cleanse their guilt. Rulers smile approvingly from above as their soldiers live in perpetual outrage.

So media, corporate and their symbiotic politicians absolve their sins by deception, omission and outright lies. They get rich and powerful.... but it's for YOUR own good. They can preach "tax the rich" at $30,000 a ticket affairs. Maskless of course, as they require others serving them to mask up. No large gatherings and social distancing as they preen and pose with group hug photos. Corporations using child/sweatshop labor from countries literally committing genocide as we speak. But it's OK because they fly a rainbow flag outside, donated some money to BLM (which literally IS a Communist front) and print out their receipts on recycled paper. See how this works?

If not for double standards, they'd have none at all. And the list of double standard hypocrisy is endless, glaring, and unapologetic. Because they know their friends and allies have their back. None of them will call out their lies, betrayals or incompetence. For the cause, for your own good....

One quick example. A recent poll asked what are the odds of being hospitalized after getting covid. 28% of Republicans and 41% of Dems were wrong by more than 10 times over reality, saying 50% or more who got the coof were hospitalized when the reality is between 1% and 5%. Only a bit over a quarter of all those polled were even close. Still 2 or 3 times over, but closer.

Why? Why don't we have the facts? Why is the public perception of the facts so far off from reality? This should all be clear and well known information. On a good many levels and subjects we are being spoon fed BS and expected to eat it up. And clearly, many do without any question. Those in control of the message are not telling the reality, even distorting reality for a reason. Or rather many reasons which they will then justify to themselves and everyone as..... take a guess..... while they continue to blatantly manipulate to gain political power, wealth and maniacal control.

The internet is (currently anyway in the US) allowing something the Elitists hate more than anything. It allows us to bypass them. Or worse yet, question them. And even worse yet, to assemble and organize as we see fit to take back the freedoms to run our own lives free from them.

And THAT is why it is important to have (and the grace to allow) a bit of "political" speech, especially on a hunting site where we have at least a common connection if not fairly common goals to retain the freedoms we currently have.

Make no mistake, fear, apathy, head in the sand.... or elsewhere. There is a large group of very organized people out there doing all they can to take away that freedom. Many freedoms. No matter what "percentage" of it they are..... unarguably, they are nearly all from one side of the political ideology as there is only one side that embraces them with open arms and support. If we do not organize, actively oppose them, they win. And you/we lose. By default.

Just this tiny bit of vocal opposition here helps more than most think, even as some call to sit down and shut up. It lets people know they can speak up and speak out as is their right and they are not alone, THEY are not the pariahs. They have others support and aid in the fight. That they/we can win. The first step to winning anything is belief you can.

And it's a flippin' sad state of affairs when "winning" is defined by keeping the freedoms, rights and property you have now and not letting it be taken away by others.

From: JohnMC
21-Sep-21
Dana you love to tell you did not vote Trump and what you think about everything else. Why are you so scared to say who you voted for? Why don't you try manning up and spit it out. Yo probably wrote in Rosie O'Donnell or someone along those lines.

21-Sep-21
Are hunters so seriously duped they believe they have the right in their state to hunt forever, regardless of what the voters and politicians say? In my opinion, they only have the right to hunt as long as voters say there is game to hunt. You really have no more right to hunt than those in California. Ballot box game management is real!!

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
John, do you actually look at your ballot or just check the 'R's straight down the line? Historically I've mostly voted Republican, even when the choices were McCain or Romney. I drew the line at Trump.

Who did I vote for? A) it's *still* none of your business, B) I did not vote for Biden and C) I respect *your* right to voter privacy. Is it too much to ask for the same in return? Because a 'yes' answer to that is, imo, UN-American. 'Democracy' is a meaningless word if citizens can not vote their conscience without repercussion.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
"It’s ok lol buddy, I’m fully aware of how “perfect” your state is. FULLY. "

Nobody said this state is 'perfect', far from it. BUT, remember that it is heavily populated, and even a political *minority* equals a damn big bunch of hunters, anglers etc. Some of us have been fighting to protect our rights since you were a pup. We just get buried in ignorant perceptions.

From: JohnMC
21-Sep-21
I am going with Dana voted for Rosie until I here different and also has a crush on her.

21-Sep-21
Lincoln:

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

From: Hackbow
21-Sep-21
TD - as in nearly every other 'political' discussion, you nailed it. Very astute.

4nolz - great quote and very apropos.

21-Sep-21
The general election was Trump or Biden. No issue voting for someone else but it's really a vote for or against the actual two choices.

Primary election I often try to send a message with my vote but when it comes down to the general , it's a 2 party system.

From: Rocky D
21-Sep-21
"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

Absolutely dumb Shit!

The strength of the military is how powerful is your military and the will of the people!

If that be the case the Americans will may not be what it used to!

From: Rocky D
21-Sep-21
"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

Absolutely dumb Shit!

The strength of the military is how powerful is your military and the will of the people!

If that be the case the Americans will may not be what it used to!

21-Sep-21
"I drew the line at Trump."

if you voted for anyone other than trump, you in essence voted for biden.

21-Sep-21
Voting for a candidate with no chance to win is essentially a cop out.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
'in essence...' bull shite.

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
"Voting for a candidate with no chance to win is essentially a cop out. "

My vote for POTUS has never counted. NEVER. Massachusetts electoral vote has gone Dem since practically forever. I've voted for Republicans who lost the electoral vote here and I've voted for third party-ers who lost the electoral vote. Didn't vote for Carter, or Clinton, or Obama, or Clinton, or Biden, or Trump. 'Nuff said.

Now stop whining about my vote and maybe figure out who you're going to put up in '24. Because I don't see much depth on the GOP bench. Trump is a joke, as is Pence. Rubio? Doubtful. I'd give Crenshaw slim odds but that could change.

From: JohnMC
21-Sep-21

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That ones for you Miss Dana!

From: petedrummond
21-Sep-21
Love it

From: DanaC
21-Sep-21
I'll take that bet ;-)

From: TGbow
21-Sep-21
I voted for Trump both times but I voted independent from 2004 to 2016. People have different opinions on "throwing away " their vote...but I got tired of voting for so called conservatives that kept pushing for big government. Democrats have become the Marxist Party, so a lot of people,like myself, voted for Trump because the Republican leadership cant decide what they stand for.

With the Democrats you know you're pretty much voting for Marxism and with the Republicans its "lesser" big government

22-Sep-21
They will not take away your state right to hunt, but they sure can vote away the big game seasons just as California has. I do not think some of you understand ballot box game management vs right to hunt. You may have the right to hunt, but game seasons allowing you to hunt are NOT guarnteed.

From: Woods Walker
22-Sep-21
^^^ This

You may have a so-called "right" to hunt, but it's still based on when the STATE (politicians) tells you when, how, and what.

22-Sep-21
Exactly!

From: KSflatlander
23-Sep-21
Prime example of why Shawn Magyar (JBG) gets canceled from Bowsite. What a complete tool.

From: TGbow
23-Sep-21
im not voting for Rubio, just another Neocon

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