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Looks like Randy killed another dandy bull.
Congratulations to Randy. That is a big elk!
Just like clockwork. He’s a machine.
Nice bull. The pic makes Randy look like an oompa loompa.
Man that guy is LUCKY! Every year he gets lucky. Seems to be luckier than heck with huge muleys and monster elk every single season. Over and over, he's sooo lucky! :)
Congrats to Randy on yet another jaw dropper!
Nice bull! Was curious what he had been up to. Wonder if he killed any deer this year?
More impressive if it was a 120” whitetail from New England.
That IS a nice bull. Well done. Paul
He is a machine! Great bull. Do believe Jay Scott had him on his podcast maybe a year ago. I advise any of the haters to listen to it before making judgement.
RE: Nice bull. The pic makes Randy look like an oompa loompa.
That's not far from true, he ain't very big :-)
If Randy Ulmer decided to hunt whitetails in New England and put his efforts into it, he would kill monster slammers every year there too. Great hunter, humble man.
Yes it's a nice bull. Nothing against Randy, but come on guys. Every year the "awe of Randy "appears and statements like "machine and incredible etc... Come out. If any of you had the access to the great properties he does or the ability to pay someone to locate the animals you'd be killing giants too. Randy has a big pocket book and good for him for working hard, but the fact is he pays a lot of money to kill Giants, so let's all stop being so "Amazed" at what the man kills each and every year. Be amazed at the DIY guy who spends time in a tent and kills , guts, hikes out his meat all by himself. The guy who spends 10 days in Alaska on a moose hunt solo and kills Giants, that's worth the adulation, not the guy who pays to have his trophy spotted, kills and then has others do the work. Jmo
Let me repeat before you all jump on me, my comments are to the hero worship of some, not Randy Ulmer. Lol
I disagree…..yes he has access and opportunity. However, he also doesn’t miss when the moment comes. Period. That separates most.
By the way, he has done several hunts on his own or with his family and still managed to arrow a nice animal. It appears your jealousy has tainted your view a bit?
I don't know where or who Randy hunts with, but I suspect there's a bit of truth to what LBshooter said. Few, if any, hunters consistently kill the trophy caliber animals that Randy does without some exclusive access to prime properties.
That said, chalk me up as a fanboy of his. I've shot 3D tounements with the man, and I've witnessed his unbelievable archery skills first hand. He's also a very humble and likable person to talk to, who is always willing to share his hunting and archery knowledge, from my experience.
Congrats to Randy.
Another amazing animal for Randy, I wouldn't want him hunting me, that's for sure.
I think we all appreciate the skills of many Bowsite members. But just as I can’t stand watching turkey hunts or Whitetail hunts on TV. I love watching exotic locations or animals I can’t afford or will never hunt and enjoy reading of the better skilled hunters also.
I think we all agree that 81 yr old Paul killing any elk on his own with a stickbow on federal land is harder than someone using modern gear on private land.
We can still appreciate a guy like Randy, his meticulous attention to detail and his skill.
I have a freind that if you dropped him on the moon and there was one animal there he could kill it.
I have a feeling Randy is also one of those people. But he wouldn’t be on my Hero list. A hero is the licks of Chuck Yeager
I’m pretty sure Randy does both. I do know in the last 25 years he drew several of the same public tags I have and he hunted DIY. Sometimes solo.
He’s definitely a serial killer. You don’t get to his level of competitive shooting and hunting success with out wanting it more than the rest. You get what you put in and make a lot of your own luck. He seems like a very humble guy and is great ambassador to our sport.
I hope I am wrong but is Randy suffering from illness? I heard mention of it on a podcast a year ago and his recent columns in Bowhunter seem to be leaning that way. Again I hope I’m wrong and hate to mention it.
I know exactly where he’s killed multiple monster bucks in NV and it’s public land that anyone can hunt if you’re able to draw a tag.
Thanks Roy, prayers sent him and his family. Kelly
I've also been following his recent columns in Bowhunter. They are poignant and superbly written.
Jaquamo I definitely would pay to see that. I’m not saying he can’t maybe he can but their is a reason you don’t see TV hunting shows flocking to New England as it wouldn’t be much of a show. Kind of like the CT Live hunts every year. They are not action packed because that is how it is here.
No desire to deal with 'trophy' hunting.... Just to be able to hunt some was a gift my grandfather passed on to me. His weekend stories of his Adirondack camp and his rich hunt clients are still stuck in my life. He loved the hunt; not so much the kill. He died in the county poorhouse in the spring of 1965. A spike horn or a doe or a cow should be ok as it should be the 'hunt' that's important; not the end result.
No hero worship here, but he deserves all the praise he gets. He's a heck of a hunter, a hell of shot, and an all around good guy to be around. He's not constantly promoting himself like the TV guys are. Yes, he uses every legal tool to help him connect to some incredible animals and that can be off-putting to people who are unable (or unwilling) to take it to that level.
Just something to think about: he's not the only guy with resources. Lots of guys have money and buys access to primo lands, special tags, and next level scouting. They don't get it done like Randy every year like clockwork. The guy is definitely at another plane of skill that most don't possess.
Some people can’t wrap their brain around other peoples success. It’s easier too say things like he’s got money or he’s got access that I don’t have. Those are excuses. I don’t know all the details about this bull and I’m sure to some extent he has payed for private access or tags but the fact is he still has to get it done. Some guys on this site could be in 2 acre cage with 4 bulls and still go home with a empty quiver and nothing too show for it. I bet you put Randy in New England and he’d consistently kill the upper end of game in that area.
You can’t kill what’s not there and if you want to kill 400 inch bulls and 200 inch deer you have to hunt where they live. Dont begrudge the man for being able to do what he does.
He’s a great shot, great bow hunter, and from what I understand a real decent guy. I really do like his bow hunter magazine articles and “spots” on bow hunter TV. I do agree with some comments above, about access. I’m guessing he has access to some great places to hunt. Nothing at all wrong with that. Good for him, he’s earned it. But it does have an impact on success and trophy size.
"If any of you had the access to the great properties he does..."
"Few, if any, hunters consistently kill the trophy caliber animals that Randy does without some exclusive access to prime properties."
Please point out the private properties that Randy has killed any animals on. Or are you just making assumptions?
I think Randy is an excellent hunter and an excellent shot. He puts the time and effort into his hunting and it pays off.
Leo I’d disagree. Head to the big woods and first you have to figure out if theirs a nice buck in there. Then you have to figure out where he’s bedded and then narrow down endless trees trying to find the right one to sit and pray that one buck walks by it. He’d be a fish out of water just like I would be trying to stalk a Mule deer down out west.
Bohntr, please retread my post. As I clearly stated, I don' know Randy and I have nothing against him. It's about the fanboy chants every year when a pic comes out of one of his kills. The fanboys are amazed , and I find it funny that they think he walks out in the area abs shoots quality animals each and every year. It's not that simple. He has plenty of help from people doing the ground work, and I AM FINE WITH THAT!!! One more time I AM FINE WITH THAT!!!! Just want to make sure you read it. Jealously? Not at all, he's a good hunter and has the advantage of access and tools to pop these monsters. Again, it's the amazement of the fanboys each year that I was commenting on. Please retread the last sentence of my first post.
BS, spike78…..There are guys that consistently kill big stuff, irregardless of the species. Some guys are at the very top of their game and are just better at things, than others (for many various reasons). In the bowhunting world, Randy is one of those guys, IMO.
Since you quoted me, why didn't you include the part where I said "I don't know where or who Randy hunts with...." Was that not clear that I was assuming he has access to either great property or tags? Or, are you just trying to pick a bone?
I also said I have great respect for Randy as a hunter, archer, and a man in general. If he's getting it done every year on public ground with tags that any hunter can get every year, that just makes my respect for him stronger. But I don't know if that's the case.
Why do some people feel the need to somehow water down another's success?
To be clear I wasn’t dogging Randy or his size. I’ve never met him and have only heard good things about him. He’s a great ambassador for hunting. Just a little critique on the picture. To be clear I’m not a hater but I am jealous, he kills a crap ton of big critters.
Excellent bull, excellent hunter, excellent guy! Congratulations to Randy!
Congrats to Randy.
Guess I’m just one who can say “congrats” to multiple people and not feel like I’ve slighted anyone. Don’t know how being amazed at what Randy does year in and year out would in any way diminish the thought that I still say congrats to a bowsiter for getting it done year after year on public land either.
The area a man hunts is often the reason for their success. No question the guy can shoot. But most of us could kill elk like that given the opportunity. But hey…. He’s fair chase all the way so….
Funny the jealous people. Randy is a badass and awesome hunter. No doubt about it. He consistently killed giant animals. World class archer and bowhunter. He is a very nice humble guy. Has forgot more about archery and bowhunting than most of us will ever learn
T-Roy yes Randy is top notch at glassing and stalking down big game no doubt about it but it’s a whole other game coming to the East in large tracts of continuous timber with 7-10 deer per square mile and patterning a big buck. Now if someone like [email protected]
fort came out here I’d have my dragging shoes on cuz he’s a machine!
Congrats Randy! well done!
Kudos to Randy.
Do we have to have this exact thread every year?!? Geez.
The man is an elk killing machine! Congrats
Congrats to Randy and that is an hilarious pic.
I think Randy isn’t guided by Greg anymore cuz he told him to get out of the picture lol.
He’s just a cold blooded killer! Congratulations Randy!
I appreciate him for his archery knowledge and the way in which he presents it over the many years of his bowhunting articles. Also, I think that the congratulations for his hunting achievements are well deserved.
Just wondering, does Randy come on this site to see/read all the congrats and praise from the memebers here? I don't ever recall seeing a post from him. I know Kurt wells steps in every now and then.
Randy doesn’t sweat the small stuff !
Haters in every crowd I guess. Those that have been reading bow Hunter magazine for many years like I have know that Randy has come from humble beginnings and through hard work and lots of desire has earned the reputation as one of the greatest archers/bow hunters of all time. True his popularity probably allows him some amazing hunting opportunities but make no mistake he has earned them. I’ve met the man and he is down to earth and kind. He deserves any and all accolades.
I guess I'm a little jaded on all the negative comments. Can you imagine how much much you could learn if you went on a hunt with him. He is such a positive role model for any archer, old and young. With all the turds we see on TV everyday we should be thankful we have guys like Randy, Charlie Rehor, Pat, Paul, all awesome humans and fellow bowhunters. My .02
I think the guy is phenomenal, unbelievable really but why does he look so small compared to the elk?! It looks like it scores 1000 and weighs 2000 lbs?! Doesn’t it?
Those 3rd's and 5th's are unreal---------->
Good luck, Robb
Great bull! I’d kill him in a heartbeat
The cluelessness of those running down Randy Ulmer is quite entertaining. Some even preface it with “I don’t know who or what, but…”. Maybe if you don’t know you should keep your mouth shut? If you look hard enough, you can find where he hunts, and when he hunts with an outfitter, who that is. Much of the time it’s on a drawn tag with himself or family just like the rest of us. Lots of effort all year long goes into filling those tags.
Let’s not gloss over he’s not the one here posting the photos looking for any credit or your approval…
I’d put my money on that guy figuring out and being successful on whatever he wanted to hunt whenever or wherever he wanted to hunt it.
Congratulations to him.
Well said Shrewski^^^^
I think it's just pure jealously because the whiner's don't pursue animals like he does. I think some of these folks need to read the latest article in the Bowhunter called "Getting Even". He hunts on a different level than most!
He deserves the accolades. None better
Shrewski, I agree with most of your comments. Randy is a great hunter, a great shot and appearantly a heck of a guy, I've never met him personally.
Now, for negative comments, I've read the posts and the most offensive comment I've read is being called "a cold blooded killer" that's offensive. I do not hunt to kill as I'm sure Randy doesn't either. Other than that comment I'm not seeing where all the negativity is comming from. My initial comment was directed at the shock and awe that everyone out has each year of trophies that Randy kills. I was just stating how I thought it was funny of all the adulation by guys who don't know Randy and the simple fact that appearantly Randy doesn't even come on this site, so what's all the congrats for? not to mention, things are always debated out here and as long as it's done in a respectful manner then why all the hate by individuals who disagree with the so called "jealous" "haters" etc.., each year and every year a pic or two comes out with Randy and some giant, and it's the same amazement by the gallery lol. What about the guy who shoots a cow with a recurve at 15 yards? Is that not a bigger trophy than the guy who shoots a bull at 50,60,70 yardswith a compound/crossbow? I think we can debate where and how and advantages one has when hunting without all the haters jumping on board to defend someone who 1, doesn't need defending and 2, isn't even a member of the site. Jmo
I have no doubt Randy would kill the bigger class of Eastern game if he wanted. I would definitely enjoy spending time in his presence. I hunted KY and Ohio whitetails and killed hundreds of them. Lovely times. I'm in the west now and it's no different. Still gotta read wind, know how to use pressure and terrain features, know how to shoot, know how to control nerves, the list goes onandonandon. I've been around guys who can't manufacture a shot at the animal when it does all come together. To consistently get mature animals it takes skill and a killer instinct. I get no satisfaction paying for a shot opportunity. Bet Ulmer wouldn't either.
Randy hunts public land. Only difference is, he buys landowner permits in some parts of Nevada and sometimes in Arizona. He's killed monster mule deer in otc units in Colorado, by himself, or with his nephews. Randy spends more time watching bulls and photographing big Bulls then anyone I know. And his sons are just as successful as he is on monster bulls. The thing that seperates Randy from anyone else is his dedication to hunting and taking just one particular animal. And he does whatever it takes to get the job done. Most guys would never be able to have the patience he does, or the skills needed to get the job done. And Randy hunts by himself over 90% of the time. Fan boy? No sir, but I know Randy, known him since the High Country Archery days and the IBO shoots. He's a great guy that is willing to help others, and will go out of his way for friends and family. Show some respect for a man that doesn't flaunt his success like most guys on here do in order to try to impress people.
Those of us without “deep pockets” have only ourselves to blame.
One of the nicest guys you can share a camp with. So down to Earth. Fun to interview.
"But most of us could kill elk like that given the opportunity" Really?? No, just NO.
If by "given the opportunity" you mean, if a guide put you in the perfect spot, where he knew that bull tended to hang out and all you have to do is make the shot, then still NO. The chances of you killing a bull like that are nearly zero. There are only about a half dozen elk that big killed every year. 2 or 3 are killed by guys who have a tag in the right spot and are just plain lucky. 2 or 3 are killed by guys like Randy who know where they are and spend the entire summer preparing for the hunt. There is a huge divide between those 2 or 3 guys and the rest of us.
What so many of you fail to comprehend is the realities of what you consider the "opportunity". Guys like Randy, Frank and Chuck aren't just given the opportunities, they create them. They work harder, prepare harder, scout harder than just about everyone else. I know of no one, not one single person, who spends more time scouting, watching and learning big muley's than Randy Ulmer.
I hunted the same public land unit in Colorado as Randy and I didn't even bother trying to go after the buck he was after. He was after a monster and likely would have taken that buck but the Governors tag hunter shot it out from under him with a rifle on the opening day of bow season. Randy didn't pay everyone in the state to locate the biggest buck out there, he found it, scouted it and was prepared to kill it.
Anyone who says they could do what Randy, Frank or Chuck do if they only had the opportunity is just kidding themselves. These guys aren't just given the opportunity to do what they do, they work harder than everyone else and on top of that their skill levels way above the rest of us. Congrats to Randy for another great trophy.
Agree 1000% with JSW.
LB, I’ve killed a 361” bull elk (netted 350 1/8 of anyone needs to look it up) with my longbow at 8’. I will defer to Randy Ulmer and say he is a much better hunter than I am. I’m fine with that.
Those of us without “deep pockets” have only ourselves to blame.
One of the nicest guys you can share a camp with. So down to Earth. Fun to interview.
you can't kill a bull like that unless you're hunting where bulls like that are and I don't care how great you are
Randy either hunts the primest places or he draws some of the best tags through years of putting in for them .... he aint killing those world class animals every year in OTC units and public land I don't think?
What a magnificent animal no matter what it scores. Congrats to a man who prepares and works to achieve these types of goals. I’m happy for him if this is what he wants.
Nicely said Shrewski! Also Jim Willems.
Nicely said Shrewski! Also Jim Willems.
Why do you all continue to say "Randy is a great guy", "one of the nicest guys you'll meet" etc... Nobody is saying he's not. I haven't seen a post that says he a bad guy or a terrible Hunter, so why do you all continue to defend his honor. My post was about the fanboys who are on this site who don't know Randy, never met Randy but yet act as if they are buddies with him lol. Why congratulate a guy who you've never met or know and who isn't even a memeber of this site? mkaes no sense to me. Now as for JSW and shrewski post, yes, good or even great ground gives anybody the opportunity to kill great animals, and here is proof. I hunt with this guy on public land for deer, not a great Hunter by any standards, but, he had an opportunity to hunt fantastic ground and this bull is what he walked away with. So to say it can only be done by a few is just not so. Now, let's all stop questioning Randy ulmers character as a humane being nobody but the fanboys are defending something that has not been challenged. Remember, as with poker, hunting also takes alittle luck and factors into the equation. As the old saying goes, " I'd rather be lucky than good"
Well... congrats to Randy. Other than that, this thread devolved into the standard worthless drivel the internet so easily provides.
I think a lot of us have a problem with people downplaying his accomplishments. There are only a handful of bowhunters that are as successful as he is. We also take issue when someone insinuates that he is paying big bucks for these hunts. The areas where he hunts mule deer in Colorado and Nevada are public land units with plenty of other hunters. He may pay extra for a landowner voucher if he doesn't draw but not huge amounts of money. The majority of people on this sight could afford that tag, they just choose not to.
I stated above that if you have a tag in a great unit where these big animals live, you have a slight chance at getting a shot at one. What I took issue with was the statement that most of us could do it, given the opportunity.
A great elk unit might have 200 or more tags in one hunt. Only one or two of those hunters will take truly world class elk. 1% is a long ways from most. Anyone who can do it hunt after hunt is a cut above.
LB, respectfully, you’re better off just letting it go and not digging your hole deeper.
Lb Shooter you really stuck your foot in your mouth and showed zero class as a sportsman. Go sit in a tree stand in Illinois and think about what you said, better yet don't say anything about a man who can school you in any aspect of the sport.
Funny how Randy gets lucky on giant animals year after year on public land.
I have met the man, spent time talking with him about mule deer hunting after he initiated the conversation with me in the trophy display at a P&Y convention. Just like two regular guys talking about something we both love. He never mentioned that he had the #2 muley buck there in the recording period, and if I remember right, the #1 elk....
Wait, did you all read my posts ? I said nothing negative about Randy and his character, I once again commented on the fan boys who go crazy over their buddy Randy who 99% of you never met the man and yet some internal drive makes you defend a mans honor whose honor wasn't assaulted lol. The first statement I made was that he shot a nice elk, it's not a suprise the man shoots quality animals year in and year out. Casper, zero class as a sportsman? Please lol I missed that somewhere. keep on being the fanboys, not saying you can't, I just find it funny at the lengths you go to.
I think quite a few of us on this site know Randy and consider him a friend. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that he shot a great elk. And I sure as hell don't consider that being a fanboy for those insinuating that it does.
LB- Funny how you say how lucky a guy like Randy is. I don’t think it’s luck. Have you killed many high country mule deer and elk just curious ?
Never ceases to amaze me how some think blowing out someone else's candle makes theirs shine all the brighter.
Guys, appearantly your not reading my posts. I have never said anything negative about Randy in my posts not one thing. What I said is why are you all so amazed each time a pic comes out with he and a trophy? He does it yearly, and all I said was that he hunts some prime properties. Then the fanboys attacked lol protecting Randy's honor and yet he doesn't even come on the site. I'm sure a couple of guys know him personally and good for you, I'm sure he's a nice guy, but the rest act as if I just slapped their wives. Each time someone comes on to post they are defending Randy on something that was never said, and even after making it clear you all continue to do it. I just posted a 8x7 elk killed in NM by a first time elk Hunter, I haven't read a fanboy post yet commenting on the trophy, hmmm wonder why? I guess it's the celebrity factor, people seem to think that if they jump to the defense of someone they have never met it makes them closer in their mind to that individual. I met Tiffany and Lee at a outdoor show but that doesn't mean I'm friends with them or does it? Maybe they will let me come hunt thier farm? I'll have to check into that. Ok guys you've worn me down, I give up. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by saying Randy hunts some prime properties, and that he's able to buy landowner tags and he the very best Hunter that ever lived.
P.S Oh yea Ermine, I wasn't implying that Randy was lucky, I was saying my buddy was lucky to score a 8x7 bull his first time out and I was implying that everyone has a little luck thrown in while hunting, but I apologize to you for saying Randy gets lucky sometimes too, and I'd be willing to bet that Randy himself would admit that luck has played a role in some of his hunts. But for all you sensitive fanboys we will make believe I didn't say that.
Below is a quote from your first post. This has NOTHING to do with advising your perceived ‘fanboys’ on this site. This sir, is a direct attack on a guy who didn’t even post his photo here and am lot of assumptions by you on where/how he hunts…but again, there’s no jealousy according to you. I’m sorry, but your words indicate otherwise to me. Quote:
“If any of you had the access to the great properties he does or the ability to pay someone to locate the animals you'd be killing giants too. Randy has a big pocket book and good for him for working hard, but the fact is he pays a lot of money to kill Giants, so let's all stop being so "Amazed" at what the man kills each and every year.”
I guess my overall question is why would you care if Bowboy made this post or not?
Earlier I alluded to the fact that I know exactly where he killed a bunch of his big mule deer in NV. This is because I hunted with a guy who guided Ulmer in the unit a year or two prior to our hunt. This guide is one of the best mule deer hunters and spotters I know. We talked briefly about his time hunting with Ulmer and he said two things that were noteworthy. First was that Ulmer passed up several bucks that would be once in a lifetime trophies for most of us. The second was that once the buck he wanted to kill was located the deer might as well commit suicide because it was a dead deer walking and would eventually get shot and killed by Ulmer.
I’ve never met the man but it was interesting hearing how he prepped, practiced and went about his daily routine during the hunt.
Well both tar, you are correct, 100 percent I said that. The problem is that it's not a attack it happens to be the truth. But, you and the rest of the fanboys are offended by that statement ? Why? And you are correct, Randy didn't post the pic, so who are you congratulating? A guy who didn't post the pic, or doesn't read the posts? Why didn't you congratulate my buddy on his trophy elk? You don't know him and have never met him that I know of and yet no fanboy congrats? Why is that? Bow boy can make whatever he wants, I don't care what he posts, I was commenting about the fanboys who are in awe of Randy's trophy. Go back and read my first post lol. Relax , have a beer Randy still loves you. You've done your job defending the honor of a man who doesn't need to be defended . Job well done, I hope one day you meet Randy and your able to tell him of your defense of him.
Well, that kills that, I was going to congratulate Randy on another amazing bull...but I guess that makes me just another "fanboy"...
“And you are correct, Randy didn't post the pic, so who are you congratulating? “
Uhm, I didn’t congratulate him on this post. Again you’re assuming things and making unsubstantiated claims.
“Why didn't you congratulate my buddy on his trophy elk? You don't know him and have never met him that I know of and yet no fanboy congrats? Why is that?”
Ah, finally the root of the real issue here. You’re one of those “like” fellas that need constant reassurance from others and apparently got hurt because some of us didn’t respond to your post. So to retaliate you post your rhetoric on Bowboy’s post? By the way, I DO know Randy and have for years…..I do not know your buddy (not that it matters)…. So yet another incorrect assumption on your part which proves to many here your true intentions. Maybe you can talk Pat into creating a ‘Like’ button so you can be feel better about your posts? (J/k)
Honestly, the real reason I didn’t respond to your post is I didn’t see it…..but based on your response(s) here, I won’t bother…..and based on the PM’s I’ve received on this issue, either will many others.
I hope you have a great season!
I wouldn’t know Randy Ulmer if I ran him over. But I enjoy seeing pics of elk.
Sure beats the hell out of the political threads Bowsite has become famous for.
Were Not Fan Boys of Randy most who have commented positively Know Randy to some Degree. To disrespect this man who's battled cancer for years is beyond me. Randy will out work most any Hunter i have ever known to get what he's after, He will sure dam well out hike 90 percent of you in the mountains even with cancer. You will most likely never out shoot him in a friendly elk camp archery shoot off or at 3D shoot good luck. Point blank Randy makes his own luck. 10% of the hunters take 90% of the game. Randy picked a job that would pay him well and spent years at college to achieve that and has allowed him to hunt when and where he wants with who he wants. That opportunity is available to everyone who wants it bad enough.
Bohntr, my response to your last is, LMAO. You all keep going to the offending and personally attacking Randy, nothing is farther from the truth. But continue your drum beat, no worries. Go back a read tilzbows' post , sort of backs up my initial comments. For some reason your all butt hurt that someone said something about having help and prime land to hunt. For those of you who say you know Randy, maybe you can call him up and ask him how he does it year in and year out, I'm sure his answers will suprise you.
Here's an idea for Pat, maybe Randy might do am interview with you Pat, would be interesting sit down. I also think Randy would give a lot of credit to the folks that help him on his hunts.
"Never ceases to amaze me how some think blowing out someone else's candle makes theirs shine all the brighter."
You mean like playing down others to make themselves look better?
Holy crap!! I expect the non hunting posts related to politics, Covid, Vax, border, etc. to go to crap with differing opinions, but it’s mind numbing and so tiring that many hunting posts go to crap like this all of the time. Nothing is wrong with healthy debate over many things hunting related, but on a post like this where someone posts a kill from an talented individual that puts hunting in a positive light is truly unnecessary. I just don’t get it. Great bull and I hope he can continue to keep doing this for several more years.
LBshooter, what makes you think anyone gives a flying f*** about your opinion of them? You can’t even figure out how to use your and you’re correctly, and you presume your opinion matters one iota? I am a Randy Ulmer “fan boy.” I’ve never met him, but I draw inspiration from him. His articles are very informative. I don’t think it’s irrational to congratulate him on his successes if I’ve never met him, he’s a Bowhunter that shares his experience and wisdom with the masses.
By the way, your buddy killing a nice bull means nothing. That’s just one anecdote and the plural of anecdote is anecdotes, not data.
Your comment about money shows how ignorant you are, there are plenty of guys out there with more money than Randy, find me a Bowhunter who has killed more public land unguided 200” mule deer than Randy, I’ll wait…
Lol hoot, I don't give a hoot what you say. It's a simple fact in the hunting world money translates to trophies, period. If you think different then there's no helping you. The ONLY reason I posted that elk was to see how many fan boys would congratulate a hunter who killed a 8x7 on his very first elk hunt. Not one of the fanboys congratulated him on his elk, why is that? If the guy behind that Magnificat elk was let say Randy or Pat or anyone of the well known guys in the hunting world I'm sure the fanboys would be falling all over themselves to congratulate them. Are you also stating hoot that Randy's public land mule deer aren't scouted by others before he shows up? Oops I'm sorry , did I just insult Randy again? I think not, it's amazing that the fanboy club can't stand to hear that their hero uses others to help him in his trophy quest, and that's ok, I have no problem that he does it. It's the wannabe fanboys who think that it's all done on his own, and it's not.
Thamks to SteveB for posting the outfitters pic of Randy and his elk. Maybe the fanboy bubble has been popped. Lol ok I think I'm done, unless another fool wants to tell me I insulted Randy's honor. I don't know Randy, never met Randy and to be honest I don't really read his articles, nothing against Randy. I'm not a trophy Hunter, I hunt for the pleasure of the hunt and the meat , antlers mean zero to me. I do it the hard way and a doe with a long bow is a trophy, so each time I kill it's a trophy, I just dont snap the pics like some like to do. Now , before I get attacked for saying guys take pics, I don't care it's fine, im glad you get your pics . But I bet within a few posts I'll be attack for saying taking pics is a bad thing lol.
Congrats Randy! Awesome bull!
“Here’s an idea for Pat, maybe Randy might do am interview with you Pat, would be an interesting sit down.”
LB…..He did, clear back in ‘07 I believe. Evidently Randy had already accomplished enough clear back then, to warrant Pat wanting to interview him……..And here we are, 14 years later, still marveling at Randy’s continuing consistent results.
Hell of a bull for a hell of a good guy !
LB- the bull your buddy killed is a nice bull congrats to him. But the thread wasn’t about him. Maybe you or him can start another thread and then all the attention will be on you guys and not Ulmer. But last I checked the thread was started about ulmer?
Who cares if he was with an outfitter. Good for him. It’s no secret he uses outfitters and people to scout for him. From time to time. Must be nice right. Well anyone of us would do the same thing if we could. I know for a fact he does scout some things all on his own. So that should impress you right lol?
I’ve killed some good bulls. All on public land do it my self. But that doesn’t mean I can’t think Ulmer is a good bowhunter and be a “fan boy.”
T-Roy their already is a Randy interview on Bowsite. In the interview he mentions that he couldn’t locate a huge mule deer so he got a chute plane to fly over to locate one lol.
Pat's interview with Randy Ulmer...
Ermine, don't care if he uses a outfitter, and didn't put the pic up for attention, obviously you keep focusing on defending Randy for some reason. Don't think I can explain it any longer, go back and read my first post and maybe you'll understand. I have nothing against Randy Ulmer as I have mentioned multiple times. However, the fanboy crowd think they have to keep defending him lol
"Randy hunts public land. Only difference is, he buys landowner permits in some parts of Nevada and sometimes in Arizona."
I was not aware AZ had landowner permits.
Congrats on a great bull!
"I hunt the hard way and a doe with a longbow is a trophy".
Funny, but I just told someone yesterday that you would use the long ow as your excuse why you don't kill exceptional animals. Those of us who do/have don't use the weapon choice as an excuse.
Get over yourself. Your buddy killed a nice bull, which fits in the "blind squirrel" category. Check back with us after he has killed a couple dozen like that along with a truckload of giant mule deer, and then we might be impressed. Until then, congrats to him and congrats (again) to Randy.
I would seriously like to hang out with randy for an afternoon. Congrats Randy, well done.
"It’s no secret he uses outfitters and people to scout for him. Must be nice right. Well anyone of us would do the same thing."
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I wouldn't and don't do the "same thing", even though I have the means. The challenge of getting it done myself, with no hired help, is what I enjoy the most. I don't have the trophy wall that Randy has, but I bet I'm just as proud of mine as he is. YMMV.
Oh darn, I guess that makes me a Randy hater.
Jaq, why do insist on attacking me on something I haven't said? I don't believe I have said anything against Randy Ulmer, it's just you and the rest who in your mind feel the need to defend him, why? I have no idea. My comments were at the fanboy club who each and every year get Giddy over their make believe buddy killing a trophy. The hero worship gets alittle old that's all I was saying, and appearantly I got the girls undies in a bunch. I'm Sorry if you all felt offended .
LBshooter, actually I replied to your exact quote.. which I predicted you would post. Isn't that funny?!
Why do you get so upset over people remarking on yet another great animal killed by a great bowhunter, whether they know him personally or not? Sounds like your little leather underpants are in a bunch.
Jaq, congratulating a fellow bow site member is one thing, but to congratulate a person who doesn't even belong let alone chime in on the site is a bit odd? why doesn't the fan club congratulate the guides and the others who help him find the trophies? Don't they deserve the same ? After all they did most of the work and Randy shows up and shoots. Again, I'm fine with the way he hunts and scouts for his trophies, as long as it's legal no problem. As to being upset, not a chance, I find the whole hero worship weird and that's what my original post stated, but for some reason the club decided to attack me for offending their hero,which didn't happen. So Jaq, tell me why you and the rest feel the need to attack someone over a simple, harmless comment? Defending someone who doesn't need defending and for that matter doesn't even frequent site. One guy even ask how dare I attack Randy who has cancer?really, like I know the mans personal health lol give me a break. Like I said earlier, I'm sorry you all got your panties in bunch, not my problem. Funny how all the comments slowed after the original pic with the outfitters logo appeared, so of shut down the attackers say Randy scouts and hunts on his own.i m sure Randy is great Hunter, great shooter and a good human being, as mentioned earlier, I wouldn't know because I've never met the man and I don't act as if we're buddies like some out here do. We just view things differently. And as jack said in a few good men, "you can't handle the truth"
So funny watching guys bash Randy especially ones that gut shoot below average bulls in primo Colorado units.
Man, your posts are borderline narcissistic. Give it up, Buddy….really.
LBshooter, give it up. You're flailing wildly now. What difference does it make whether you shoot does with a longbow and consider them trophies? What relevance does that have to anything in this thread? Why even bring it up (as I astutely predicted you would, lol!)
Oh, I know, you made it about you, and somehow your lack of hunting ability is justified by your bow choice, so somehow that makes you morally superior to Randy Ulmer, who does whatever it takes to kill actual trophy animals with a bow every year. Give us a break and go shoot your trophy does.
I noticed Jaq that you didn't answer my questions. Lol
I noticed Jaq that you didn't answer my questions. Lol
BOHNTR, I agree with your point, but I don't think you needed the word "borderline" in there.
Your rhetorical questions don't deserve answers. I never attacked you for your statements about Randy Ulmer. I simply responded to one of your quotes about your supposed superiority. Another trad thing that makes other bowhunters dislike trad hunters. When you made this all about YOU and your superior hunting ethics and methods compared to Randy Ulmer, you changed the narrative. I don't care what you think about Randy Ulmer.
I just think it's comical that you, who have never accomplished anything in bowhunting and blame that on your weapon choice, decided to go after a highly accomplished hunter, writer, and man, and those who appreciate his accomplishments.
You have some problems, man. Go shoot a doe with your longbow out of a tree on Uncle Pete's farm and tell the story on here and maybe you'll get some of the appreciation you seem to be craving.
I never had a mentor when I started bowhunting . Randy Ulmer was one of the writers who helped me when I was learning how to shoot a bow. So, ya I appreciate Randy and he's definitely a good hunter. Lots of guys lose it in high pressure situations, clearly he doesn't.
Accomplishments? So if someone kills and it's not a record book animal then they have done nothing? So you judge a Hunter but the size of antlers? Interesting. What do you know about me Jaq? Because I don't post pics of the kills i make I haven't accomplished anything lol that's the problem with hunters these days,to all about the antlers, that's why numbers are dropping. The hunting snobs like you turn off more newbies than anything else.
Since you brought it up I'll respond. " another trad thing that makes bowhunters dislike trad hunters" trad hunters are bowhunters. Compound bows and all the high tech equipment That allow 100 yard shots is not bow hunting, yes I said it. Bowhunting you all talk about takes skill, and I agree, so let's take away all the high tech gadgets and see where the trophies fall. Not much difference between a crossbow and a compgun, and yet you all hate the traditionalists lol too funny. And please, spare me the I use to shoot a trad bow. It's the quest to shoot a trophy which is killing archery, and the tv shows I think are starting to change their attitudes but we will see how far that goes. As far as appreciation or attention, no thanks, don't need the adulation. Maybe that's why I don't post pics, my ego is just fine don't need approval from the fanboy club. My questions don't deserve answers lol another joke. I'll be happy shooting does with my longbow Jaq no worries and you keep the fanboy quest going. Keep pushing your snobby attitude and keep shooting that compgun.
Every now and then I sneak out of my shop and head over to the gas station down the road. In antelope season it's rare to not see someone coming off the Pawnee with a goat. Same with elk and deer seasons. Lots of Midwest hunters channel through coming and going. It's a lot of fun going up and tapping some of that energy. I'm a total fanboy. LB says it like it a bad thing.
Holy cow LB, you've made a real ass of yourself in this thread. (Past) time to admit you're wrong and move along...
I’ve almost posted on this this thread several times. I keep deleting what I have typed.
Jaquamo has summed up my thoughts to the tee repeatedly
Congratulations on the bull Randy.
Holy shit guys - its only October. Shouldnt you all be out hunting something?
WTH you gonna be arguing about come January?
Cant wait for that... not
Hahaha! I dont hate "traditionalists". I've shot and hunted with trad bows for more than 50 years, and killed more true trophy animals of multiple species with a longbow than you will ever see.
What I hate are guys like you who make trad hunters look like arrogant asses who never kill anything and use the bow as the excuse, while denigrating other bowhunters who are successful with different weapons. Exactly as you did in your last post. Makes me embarrassed to be a trad hunter.
Hang on...the Leatherwall just called...they want you back. They need another divisive, arrogant, compound-hating, doe shooting snob over there. Don't forget to take your fedora when you go.
Lol Jaq that's funny. You didn't listen to me in my last post, I said spare me the I use to crap. Appearantly you know what I kill, wow you must have powers. I hunt with guys who shoot compguns and crossbow, hitch I know on here the gang hate crossbow shooters with a passion. Arrogant divisive compgun shooters think their weapon is nothing like a crossbow, what a joke. By the way Jaq, haven't seen your trophies you've taken with a trad bow, I'll await all of those pics.
I've met a few guys that can find the biggest animal around on public and close the deal just by gathering their own intel and scouting themselves. One of my old guides drew a coveted Henry Mountains mulie tag and found the biggest buck out there only to discover Mossback had a guy on it as well. He backed off and found another 200+" and killed it after a stalk with his bow. If Randy Ulmer does this regularly he has my respect. I can usually always fill my tag on public with a rifle, but I rarely see these types of animals.
I think I understand where LB is coming from. Randy is very accomplished and 10x the bow hunter I’ll ever be. That said I think LBs point is that he is just as much impressed by the guy that kills a rag horn on public as the guy the kills a “ranch bull”. I know Randy has killed a slug of DIY giant animals but the one in question is what id consider a “ranch bull”. While the elk is very impressive, the kill impresses me less than about any unguided otc kill. Not a hater. It’s the same for me when Cam Hanes or Joe Blow does it. I’ll worship the likes of Cory Jacobson, Cnelk & Jaquemo even though Randy is likely a better hunter. ;)
LB, you have some serious issues. One of them is reading comprehension. If you post up a longbow doe pic and story of shooting it over a pile of corn or sugar beets, you will get plenty of positive comments here. Most here are genuinely happy for others success, regardless of weapon. Most don’t post if they have something negative to say.
You should try that.
In your friend’s elk photo I did not see a bow. Was that a longbow kill? What state?
Shrewski, reading comprehension an issue? Go read the post that clearly states where the bull was killed lol
Shrewski, reading comprehension an issue? Go read the post that clearly states where the bull was killed lol
Link, I understand what you said and I and agree with you for the most part. However, you referenced Corey Jacobson, so I will mention that it's "not what he said but how he said it." Had he used the verbiage that you did, he might be better received. Instead he implies that anyone who doesn't agree with him or see it his way is illiterate or incapable of understanding complex thought like he is.
You could drop Randy off naked in a pack of wolves and he'd be eating elk the next day...
Ahhhh... the internet is alive and well.... what a shame. I'll admit that I'm a Randy fanboy... the most successful giant mule deer hunter on the planet right now, with any weapon. Ed F
Link, I couldn't carry Ulmers dirty underwear... and I agree with you that a guided AZ hunt is far different than a DIY hunt, although we don't know the circumstances of how he closed the deal. But I still congratulate humble guys who take great animals with a bow, fair chase, guided or not, no matter what. Randy Ulmer has earned that
LB, I'd need to start a whole new thread to post my trad bow kills. But if you've followed my live hunts on here or read any of my feature articles in Bowhunter, Bowhunting World, Bow and Arrow Hunting, Traditional Bowhunter, Bugle, etc.. you would have seen pics of some of them. How about if you post up some pics of your trophy does?
Well Jaq, some nice trophies, congrats to you. Again for the record, I don't hunt antlers, and I don't really take pics, no need. My trophy is the memory and the meat I get from my quarry. I understand that might not be acceptable on bowsite but that's the way it is. I'll try and remember to snap a pic or two this season and I'll be sure to post it. And when and if I decide to go on a guided hunt I'll post that pic for ya.
This thread is batshit crazy. Ulmer is one of those guys (one of the few remaining) that got a lot of people interested in bowhunting and kept with it over the years. Others of note are John "Maggie" Magee, M.R. James, and Dwight Schuh.
Those were the good 'ol days of overdraws, cable compounds with teardrops for the bowstring, Bear broadheads, and "punchcutter's"...
Now that was an interesting read.... Nice bull for sure. I have to admit that seeing Randy with a giant doesn't excite me much but that is only because it happens so often. Serial killer in my eyes.
Randy didn't get to where he is by being a dirtbag, lazy, slack ass hunter. Congrats to him and his success. I do agree with LB, is anyone really amazed every year when he kills a great animal? Fanboys say, he is the best and can kill any animal, anywhere. Shouldn't be a shocker when you see what he kills, year after year. OH, and I don't know if he ever kills "regular" animals, (we don't seem to see or hear about that) but I am for sure not a fan of a strictly trophy hunter. I am neither a fanboy, worshiper, hater, or the least bit jealous.
Thanks, Casey. Some people act like killing stuff with trad bows is some sort of magical achievement, on a higher moral plane or something. But as guys like Treeline and Kevin Dill know, it's just a weapon choice with slightly different hunting techniques.
Lou, congrats on some beautiful animals.
Congrats to Randy Ulmer and LBshooter's buddy as well even if they never come here to read this thread and not because I'm a "fanboy" or whatever the F you want to call it. I congratulate fellow hunters on their successes because I'm genuinely happy for them. It's a simple concept but I'm a simple fella according to my wife at least.
It never ceases to amaze me how we hunters are our own worst enemies. One of the most accomplished archers and hunters over the last few decades kills another giant that most will only be able to dream about. Some here, such as myself, enjoyed seeing it and congratulated him. Whether Randy sees it or not shouldn't matter. Others feel the need to minimize his accomplishments. Whatever happened to if you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all? With all the anti hunting groups out there trying to eliminate hunting, the last thing we need is to continue to attack each other yet you sure as hell can count on that happening whenever a large animal is taken. Another example is the giant whitetail that Mark Drury just killed a couple days ago. Same story, different person. Real shame.
Seeing the Drurys monster kills after all these years is as exciting as midget wrestling to me. You could probably almost pet those deer on their farm. Blah
njbuck is exactly right.
very next post...another example
Jaq, have to disagree with this statement,"Some people act like killing stuff with trad bows is some sort of magical achievement, on a higher moral plane or something." And this one, "it's just a weapon choice with slightly different hunting techniques" The first statement is just asinine and your second statement you of all should know it's more than Just a weapon choice lol. The later takes far more skill, practice to become proficient to actually go out and kill with. Come on now, I know you want to stay in good with the wheel gang but let's not turn on the trad crowd so fast.
I turned on the self-righteous, holier than thou trad crowd about 25 years ago. Then internet sites like Leatherwall and Tradgang amplified the animosity and further divided bowhunters. And as you so aptly illustrated, the jealousy and resentment continues.
Successful trad bowhunters, like Kevin Dill and Treeline, could give a hoot what somebody else hunts with, because they also kill big animals with trad bows and don't make a big deal about it. For someone like [email protected], who always dreamed of killing an elk with a recurve and made it happen at 81, it is a big deal. But Paul is such a great hunter that it was simply a weapon swap.
Get over yourself. You aren't a big deal.
Another good thread that turned to Krap!
Jaq, I have said many a times I don't care what someone hunts with. As I said, my buddies all use high tech, compound/crossbow, and I could care less. Let's revist the crossbow topic out here and see who the true snobs are, shall we? I guess you deny learning and shooting a trad how is more difficult then a wheel bow? It has nothing to do with being a elitist, it's fact. I guess turning on the trad gang 25 years ago,Some might call that being A snob?
I shoot cows and small bulls too. That is because I do not like tag soup. Oregon has gone very cheap on the material they use for tags. It is regular copy paper and a poor base for soup. I just wish I was a "Big Deal". That way I could sell more copies of my "Tree Stand Hunting Rocky Mountain Elk" book.
It is true that Randy can take a pic that makes a 200" buck look like a 250" buck. But it's still a 200" buck! Very, very few hunters will ever see a 200" buck (though many think they have) never mind kill one. And then to kill multiples!
And spike78; it may be possible that whitetails just don't excite Randy, as sacrilegious as that may sound.
Amazing what happens when focused commitment, dedication and talent all come together in one place. A marvel to witness no matter the sport. Congrats to Randy! That's a stud bull for sure! Makes me wonder what it's gonna bump off his elk wall..... likely be front row center for most folks.
Have always said, I'd give my left boy for a 380 bull.... someday, in a perfect world, I'll take a 378..... net..... =D
Was a thread whining about political threads the other day. Yeah, all 3 or 4 of em on the front page 100. Some lamented many of literal world class bowhunters that no longer post much here. Because of the "political" threads.
Nope. Not even close. I've talked to several. Has nothing to do with political threads triggering people. Never even came up. Everything to do with this crap. To a man. Vanity, egos. Envy, one of the Seven Deadly. Instead of "wow,congrats! that's hell of an animal!" or "Man, that's one heck of a season!" or "thanks for taking the time and effort to share that!" you get this.... Just can't say something good and leave it at that. Even cranking on the folks who do just say something good.
Crabs in a bucket......
Yes, well said TD. Green is an ugly color in everyone! ... and the internet brings out the greenest of folks! They show it in many ways-- it's not hard to see, regardless of how they try to disguise it.
LBshooter, the elk that you posted the pict of, was it a gun kill?
Wow! Those are some specimens! I have never, and am not capable of taking animals in that class, even with my compound.
Kudos to you! Congrats to Randy as well and wishing him a healthy future.
Ulmer drew an S9 sheep tag a few years ago. Arguably one of the hardest sheep hunts in Colorado with a bow. He hunted on his own. Scouted all summer. Backpacked in and killed a 14 year old ram.
He’s a good hunter. So are a lot of guys on bowsite. Paul just killed a bull with a recurve this year at 81 years old. On his own do it your self. 81 years old!! Doesn’t get much more badass than that. Did you see Treelines thread First to last on his blacktail he killed?
It’s is the number 1 or 2 in the world with a long bow? Surprised you didn’t congratulate him? Tavis is just a regular guy who puts awesome trophy class animals down with a longbow!!
I’m impressed with all these guys! Regular guys or super slammers! They all are awesome
Just funny when people down play other success because they are jealous. Guaranteed jealousy is the stem of it
I was out setting a bear bait with a good friend today, someone I actually met on here and have been good friends ever since. He's a killer and it seems I'm always learning something from him. I told him about this thread, he just simply said Randy has been killing stuff way before he paid for guides. Point is, as most of us know he's a killer who doesn't need a guide.
I've guided for moose here in Manitoba a couple times. One of my clients was a very accomplished bowhunter. He needed only the barren ground caribou and Canada Moose for the NA Grandslam. Yes, he was a healthy individual, but a great hunter. That week with him really taught me that the guide and hunter relationship is a partnership and neither one should be too proud to admit they don't know it all. Granted I certainly don't and would rather be a sponge soaking up information from the more experienced guys. The point is you can say Randy is "guided" but I think he kinda knows what he's doing and probably enjoys the partnership.
One last note, I thought hunting was more about the memories than the kill? So, why be jealous of Randy's memories or his fanboy club? I for one am not, and I'm ready to go out this November and make my own memories!
KYless, what does it matter what the elk was killed with?
Ermine, I did not see his blacktail, congrats to him. Now, just for the record I congratulated treeline, not attack him.
For some reason you all think I attacked Randy, I didn't. My opening statement was positive, nothing against Randy. It shows how the fanboy crowd run in to defend their hero even though the hero wasn't attacked. Don't know whatelse I can say. A few understood what I said/meant and the pm's that they all sent agree with what I was talking about. Glad to debate, discuss any topic with whomever but you all have to get the topic correct. Just for the record, I have nothing against Randy Ulmer!!! You all read that? Lol
Shrewski, if you need me to translate the abbreviation of the state for you I'd be glad to help you out, once you read it. It's been fun guys getting piled on and I can't wait til the next time, which I'm sure it won't be long before one a the fanboys takes my comments the wrong way. Until next time, good day, good hunting and stay safe. I'll be waiting for the attacks to follow lol
Hey LB, you were the guy who said, “What about the guy who shoots a cow with a recurve at 15 yards? Is that not a bigger trophy than the guy who shoots a bull at 50,60,70 yardswith a compound/crossbow?”
And then posted a photo of some dude with a “big” elk and no weapon. Curious minds want to know and you seem to evade any questions on your narrative…
Lots of us can/do shoot traditional bows and it’s not always the massive handicap you make it out to be.
Does anyone think congrats are in order for Ranby’s outfitter and guides? Or would that minimize his accomplishment?
Ah the old gut shooter resurfaced
Shrewski, it shouldn't matter what weapon right? Lots of you can but don't, why? Thats fine, if your a better shot with tech then by all means use it, I don't care what you use. My point of the doe with a longbow is to show how horns make the trophy, at least on bowsite. You don't see guys posting pic out here unless it a massive trophy, Any wonder why Hunter numbers are going down year after year , the horn porn ain't helping. Did you reread my post to comprehend what state the elk was killed in? Lol after all you did bring up comprehension and yet you either didn't read my posts, (no surprise) or your lacking comprehension skills.
Is that really all you got, Orion? Sad.
Dude you run your mouth on this thread how if you hunted the best areas you'd have a wall full of big bulls. You literally gut shot a below average bull in the best unit of the state. Maybe you should have practiced or scouted more instead of worrying about Randy Ulmer using guides.
Exactly which hunt are you talking about, Orion? Could you provide a link, and let others come to the same conclusion? Thanks.
Lb The tribe has spoken and your flame is out. just go hunting and focus on a beautiful midwest whitetail and fill your tag.
Ok lets just lighten things up a bit and turn this post around and list your favorite bowhunters that you became a fanboy of and inspired you to bow hunt . #1 Paul Schafer he captivated me to buy a traditional bow and love to shoot it to this day. #2 ok one more Roy Roth a tough son of a gun , family man, spiritual man and 100's of untold archery and hunting stories.
Horns have made the trophy since the days of petroglyphs. All the cave drawings showed animals with massive antlers and the hunters throwing spears and shooting arrows at them.
Guys post pics of cows and does and cow moose on here all the time and we congratulate them for their accomplishments. It seems like your point about the doe with a longbow was a passive-aggressive attempt to justify your mediocre hunting ability by using the longbow angle as an excuse. Pretty transparent. You should just move along, because you keep digging a deeper hole.
"Does anyone think congrats are in order for Ranby’s outfitter and guides? Or would that minimize his accomplishment?"
Grey Ghost asks a simple question, no disrespectful tone whatsoever and is attack by someone calling him a gut shooter? Really? If this doesn't sum up the fanboy defense Groupie attitude I don't know what does. Orion, have you ever gut shot an animal, oops, I'm sorry you probably just hit them a little farther back then you wanted, Unbelievable.
Jaq, I'm curious, you keep refering to my hunting ability, how do you know what my ability is? Have you ever hunted with me? Ever seen me shoot? So I guess your just fling insults to make yourself feel better. Is it due to the lack of what you consider trophy pics? Hmmm, I guess you have shown your true colors toward hunters. No antlers means bad Hunter. Some might say that's what you call being a snob. Didn't you earlier say thats the reason you left the trad community 25 years ago? Tooooo funny. And no I didn't follow your live hunts or your articles.
LBshooter, I asked a simple question as well and you failed to answer it. I will repeat.
The bull that you posted, what was a gun kill?
I answered your question, what does it matter what the bull was killed with? There is your answer.
It matters because you come on here(BOWsite), post a potential gun kill (i'm assuming its a gun kill as there is no bow in the picture. I will further assume that it was a gun kill since you're having a hard time answering a very simple question) and then ask multiple times why the band wagon didn't come out and praise him on his first Elk.
I suspect the band wagon didn't come out because it was a gun kill. Decent bull for a gun kill I guess
Lol you have no idea what it was killed with and yet your still in attack mode. Go read the posts keyless, and read about how the weapon used doesn't matter. You assume what you want, that's your right. Regardless what it was killed with you call that bull a decent bull? I thought the majority of bulls killed were 5x5,6x6 but a 8x7 with lots of mass decent, ok.
LBshooter, you still fail to answer the question
Was that bull shot with a gun?
And yes, for a rifle bull, that is decent
"I answered your question, what does it matter what the bull was killed with? There is your answer."
For a guy who questions people's literacy and their ability to comprehend the written language, you sure seem to have a tough time understanding what it means to answer a question...
Keep on digging, LB!
Scoot, I answered the question, just because you don't like it too bad. Keep up the attack for the FB club scoot.
ok here, LBshooter, with a Yes or No answer (only acceptable answers, this is not free form or multiple choice)
Was the bull you posted a picture of a rifle kill?
Only acceptable answer ??? I answered kyless , like it or not I don't care. Why don't you answer the question I asked you. What does it matter? I have been told by the royalty of bowsite appearantly weapons don't matter, so it shouldn't matter, right?
I love this place... LMAO!
LBshooter, people like you make my head hurt. The simplest of instructions and/or questions prove to be very difficult for you.
I have already answered your question but I will re post because you have a serious lack of reading comprehension skills
"It matters because you come on here(BOWsite), post a potential gun kill (i'm assuming its a gun kill as there is no bow in the picture. I will further assume that it was a gun kill since you're having a hard time answering a very simple question) and then ask multiple times why the band wagon didn't come out and praise him on his first Elk. I suspect the band wagon didn't come out because it was a gun kill. Decent bull for a gun kill I guess"
Maybe I missed your yes or no answer- I am a bit slow and have very poor reading literacy. Please remind me of what your answer was... or maybe just refer me to your clear answer to the question.
I frankly don't care one bit what your answer is/was. I just don't actually know what it was. As far as I can tell, yes/no questions are typically best answer with a "yes" or "no". So... what is the answer? Again, please spell it out really clearly for those of us who are slow on the uptake.
Worth the subscription prices for sure!
LB, it matters because you repeatedly dissed modern bows as "compguns", said using compound bows "is not bowhunting" but "trad hunters are bowhunters". Typical trad garbage that made me ashamed to be part of the "trad community". To turn your analogy, it's far more difficult to shoot a smart old bull on the ground with a "compgun" at 7 yards that to shoot a naive yearling doe out of a tree at 20 yards with a longbow.
Then you post a pic of some random guy with an elk that he may have shot while wearing camo at 1000 yards with a rifle and expect everyone to congratulate him, demanding to know why it matters what he shot it with. You must be getting dizzy from spinning around. What a conflicted, unhappy little man you must be.
Hey scoot, I'm going with your a bit slow.
Also, what part of New Mexico was that bull killed? Doesn't look like typical NM to me??
No doubt that's true, LB. Given how damn slow I am, could you please answer the question? If you've already answered it, please refer us to where you answered it.
For a guy who so readily accuses people of not answer questions, being evasive, and having poor comprehension, you sure seem to struggle with these very things...
Shouldn't you all be congradulating the guy that you don't know or never met, why aren't you all falling over each other to do so, as if your his best buddy? What if we put oh let's say, Randy, or Pat or Jaq behind that bull, I'm sure it wouldn't be called a decent bull. You guys are proving my point about the fanboy club your all apart of. Keep up the good work guys.
LB ain't going to answer. He's going to keep dodging the question & try to baffle people with Bullshi......He should get into politics!
I'll congratulate him: Congratulations on your first elk!
Now tell us the story of how it all went down?
"Worth the subscription prices for sure!" X2
Not only worth the subscription but its the gift that keeps on giving!!
He already answered the question, by not answering the question. Its like the people that wont tell you who they voted for, but then tell you who they didn't vote for.
Either way, congrats to all the successful hunters!!!
Drnalin, For like the third time , here is my answer. What does it matter. That's the answer whether you like it or not, that is my answer. Elkman, All I know in the story is that he chased that bull for two days not much else , he texted the pic after his hunt last year.
This is unbelievable . Sad really . It October for goodness sake. Get outside and go hunt!!!
What does it matter? To most it does not matter.
YOU are the one to whom it mattered. YOU (LB) were the first to bring it up.
You said, “What about the guy who shoots a cow with a recurve at 15 yards? Is that not a bigger trophy than the guy who shoots a bull at 50,60,70 yardswith a compound/crossbow?”
You are talking in circles and you are embarrassing yourself.
Some great entertainment while sitting around in doctor's offices this week doing tests. ;-)
I'm praying your test results are positive, Lou.
Jaq. For Gods sake get out of there. They will tell you that you are sick- it's A money deal :)
Just kidding. Good luck with all of that
yes shreski, I asked that question and yet still no answer from the FB, so what is your answer.
LB refuses to answer. Hunt, you couldn't be more right! Sometimes a guy just gets sucked into the shit...
LBshooter, It really doesn't matter to me but you seemed to put labels on other guys hunts. I hate the term "Fanboy"....Some of the best archery hunters in the world are on or were on Bowsite over the years. When a critter is posted on here they treat the hunter with respect because one of their peers have been successful. I've never met Randy but I know he does guided hunts, goes self guided, draws tags & buys land-owner tags & really takes nice photos. I respect the man for what he has done in his hunting life. He doesn't toot is own horn but just lets his success speak for him. More people should follow his example. I just got done hunting a 200 inch plus buck in California for 23 days. I saw him 18 of those 23 days & had him under 50 yards 4 different times. I never shot an arrow at him because he always got lucky. I know in my heart Randy Ulmer or Frank Noska or lots of others would have killed that buck but I didn't. The buck won & you don't get anything for 2nd place. Good Luck on all your hunts this year!
"She who must be obeyed" once told me, "If you start your day and run into an asshole, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day,....perhaps you should rethink who's the asshole"
HUNT MAN, got it right. Go kill something.
Lou… hope your tests are all good.
Here's my original post, "
Yes it's a nice bull. Nothing against Randy, but come on guys. Every year the "awe of Randy "appears and statements like "machine and incredible etc... Come out. If any of you had the access to the great properties he does or the ability to pay someone to locate the animals you'd be killing giants too. Randy has a big pocket book and good for him for working hard, but the fact is he pays a lot of money to kill Giants, so let's all stop being so "Amazed" at what the man kills each and every year. Be amazed at the DIY guy who spends time in a tent and kills , guts, hikes out his meat all by himself. The guy who spends 10 days in Alaska on a moose hunt solo and kills Giants, that's worth the adulation, not the guy who pays to have his trophy spotted, kills and then has others do the work. Jmo Let me repeat before you all jump on me, my comments are to the hero worship of some, not Randy Ulmer. Lol"
Now, nothing in my comment is false is it? It is not disrespectful to Randy, I don't think he be upset at al. But then again I'm not his buddy like all you girls. So, for that comment this thread has over 200 posts with nothing but crying and butt hurt folks becuase I asked why the fanboys go wild every year that Randy puts up another monster. To some, an animal isn't worth a dang if it doesn't have huge antlers, I see it differently. Yes, to me and most who are Honest a cow at 15 yards with trad gear is every bit of a trophy as a bull at 60 yards with a high tech compound, regardless ladies if you think not. The fanboyism on this site is bad, and it's protect/defend at any cost. Another example is when a couple years ago Pat put up some pics of coyotes with their heads blown apart. The fanboys chimed in with comments like , awesome, way to go pat, kill them all etc... You get the idea. I chimed in and said hey I support predator control but to put pics up with their brains blow out isn't right or a good light to show hunters in. I think that thread went over 200 posts too, and the vast majority were fanboys defending Pat and trying to tear into me, calling me anti hunter etc... Please point out what/why my first post caused so much anger? What was it I said that fired the fanboy club up? It wasn't calling you all fanboys because all the attacks are about defending Randy, just not sure why Randy needs defending, except that the inner desire to become closer to Randy makes you jump to defend. It's been fun and I'm sure I'll feel the wrath of the FB club again and I'll welcome the undeserved attacks, you all just can't help yourself.
P.S Jaq, still waiting to hear about your knowledge of my hunting/shooting skills? If you rather pm me and tell me how you know so much that's fine. I'd be interested at whose dropping the dime on me.
For me this thread is no longer about Randy's elk or how he hunts. I keep coming back just to see how many times LB can use the word "fanboy".
keep coming back just to see how many times LB can use the word "fanboy".
Maybe we can turn it into a drinking game!
LB, exactly when were you going to answer that question? Seems all us who you accused of poor comprehension aren't alone...
Why is this tread still getting hits? Nice bull Randy.----PERIOD!
Very nice bull! Congratulations to him. Never met Randy nor do I know a whole lot about him, but I don't mind taking this opportunity to congratulate and show respect to another sportsman on his accomplishment. The fact that it far exceeds anything I will likely accomplish, has zero bearing on my appreciation for seeing another's success.
Isn't there some saying about answering a question with a question?
I do not have a problem with someone answering a question with a question per se. But isn't it obvious that anyone that would argue "what difference does it make" how it was killed writing on a bowhunting forum, did not kill the critter with a bow. If it really made no difference why hide the facts? Still the elk is a trophy, assuming it was taken fair chase. I must admit, I killed my cow elk with a compound bow this year. And BTW the last 29 elk I have killed were with a compound bow. Given a choice I will kill a mature cow before I would shoot a spike or small raghorn. There is more meat on the mature cow and none of these elk are a trophy in my book. Should I confess this at Elkoholics Anonymous?
I just read this entire thread and feel so gross.
FWIW......IMO there are many successful bowhunters out there who only hunt "trophies". They are very quiet about their successes as I suspect they do not want nor seek any publicity. As an example, I just seen a recent cell phone pic of a very large elk just taken in Montana with a bow, but you likely won't hear about it. I know someone who has been to this bowhunter's house and seen his wall of very large critters taken.....likely "book" animals if he were to register them.
I suspect some of you guys out there also know (or know of) very successful trophy hunters who keep their yearly success low key and won't advertise it. I say more power to the quiet hunters who are successful.
JL, I think most of us know someone (or a good number) like that. The difference is, nobody gets to share in their wisdom or knowledge and learn from it. They mostly keep it themselves and quietly go on about their business.
In Randy's case, his second "career" is sharing and teaching through writing, among other avenues, and killing giant animals on a regular basis adds to his credibility. A guy like LBshooter wouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, much less paid to share his wisdom, experience, and knowledge.
This thread is why I haven't posted any of my stuff on here the last couple years...;-/
Drnalin, For like the third time , here is my answer. What does it matter. That's the answer whether you like it or not, that is my answer.
Let me see if I can express why it matters.
Your main argument seems to be "If any of you had the access to the great properties he does or the ability to pay someone to locate the animals you'd be killing giants too."
Whether you come out and say it explicitly or not, you are implying that anyone can do what Randy does if they are given the same opportunities. Your "proof" that this is the case is a picture of a buddy that very well may have killed his bull with a rifle. These are false equivalents and diminishes Randy's accomplishments and abilities as a bowhunter.
I have had numerous great tags over my relatively limited hunting career. I have paid outfitters to guide me on these tags. My conclusion when it comes to hunting "great properties" with "the ability to pay someone to locate" them for me is still that nothing is guaranteed when you have a bow in your hand (be it wheel bow or stick and string). If I had a rifle in hand, my trophy room wall would look a lot different.
Now maybe I'm just a terrible bowhunter, but the fact that Randy gets it done over and over, year in and year out, is incredibly impressive to me and puts him on another level. Not only is he punching tags, he's killing giants, mostly on public land. I'm fully convinced that if the average hunter was given the opportunities Randy was, they'd still be coming home with an unpunched tag more often than not.
Big Bigeasygator, the gist of my original comment was directed to the Fanboy club (Drink) not Randy. Yes, paying guides who have located trophies increases the hunters odds hence one of the reason people use guides. I gave Randy all the props , nothing against Randy. As usual the Fanboys (drink) attack because their heros name was mentioned in what they thought was a negative wayLol, go back and read my original post. Putting a pic up of a first time elk Hunter with a 8x7 proves that with guides monsters are killed, Randy just has the means to access the best areas. He does it consistently and yet the Fanboys(Drink) get all giddy each and every year. I was simply saying why are they so shocked when Randy kills another giant and the Fanboys (Drink) get butt hurt. Does anyone think that Tiffany lakowski would kill the size whitetails she does if she was hunting on her own on a farm where they aren't growing trophies? No, she wouldn't . NOW, before the Fanboys(Drink) attack saying I'm attacking Tiffany, I'm not lol but I'm sure one or two of the fanboys will read a post down the line and say I'm attacking her lol.
Hey Jaq, still waiting for you to tell me how you know what my skills are in hunting and shooting?
Comparing Tiffany's big whitetails to Randy's trophies is apples to oranges. Randy applies for high quality areas but are still for the most part public land and lands that you or I could hunt. He has been known to nearly kill himself on hunts to where he has pushed himself so hard. He has hunted weeks on end for a certain buck and pushed himself to the limit and hasn't always made it happen however usually does. He doesn't have my respect because of one bull elk picture he has my respect because of his dedication to the sport and his willingness to share information. You make it sound like most of his animals are shot on private ranches with guides and this just isn't the case.
Bigeasygator and Beav you guys are spot on. My thoughts exactly
Beav, good ground = good or even great trophies. You all for whatever reason can't admit that fact. Why is it so hard for you to admit that simple fact?
Why is it so hard for you to admit the fact that you also have access to most of the same public ground?
I admit I can't hunt Tiffany's ground or any other private ground without permission. I can apply and hunt any public ground I want if I take the time to apply for these units just like you can LBshooter. Congrats to your buddy on his rifle bull he is a beauty!
Guys , I'm not talking about the public land. For some reason you all missed my point about the fanboys getting all giddy about a trophy animal shot by a Hunter who does it year in and year out. And one of the reasons he's so consistent is due to the ground he hunts. That's all I was refering to, but the girls all see red because they think I insulted Randy and they go nuts everytime and feel the need to defend him. I have given examples of it in the past and yet the FB's all comeback attacking me for attacking Randy which I haven't done.
Hey Jaq, still waiting? What happen to you?
LBshooter,you told us about your hunting skill, or lack of, by admitting that a doe is a trophy to you simply because you choose to use a longbow. And I bet anything it's out of a tree, where you can draw unseen and keep your scent up, and on private ground. Other guys regularly kill record class animals with trad bows because well, it doesn't take much skill to kill a doe out of a tree, and most of us bowhunt for the challenge. That tells us all we need to know...
But that's fine, because not everyone has the dedication and ability required to become a skilled hunter, especially with a trad bow. Just dont6get all bent out of shape when we appreciate the accomplishments of truly gifted, dedicated skilled hunters.
So congrats on your ability to kill a doe or two with a longbow, and I hope you get a couple does this year as well! Someday you may reach a point where you feel skilled enough to take your hunting to another level, and test yourself as the rest of us do.
BTW, what "ground" does Randy Ulmer hunt that you, or any of the rest of us, cannot? Go ahead, keep making excuses. You are really looking lame now.
I heard Tiffany walks up to her deer with a pale of feed and they just shove their face in it while she pets them on the head lol.
"And I bet anything it's out of a tree, where you can draw unseen and keep your scent up." That is why I hunt elk from a tree stand. We went two for three this season in my camp. It is not totally easy, but we should have been three for three. You have to pay attention. Near us were three other camps with a total of eighteen hunters. One lady, in the first camp of eleven, got her elk from a pop-up blind. She was the only one out of the eighteen hunters in those camps that filled her tag. BTW: She claims she has taken an elk from her blind, every season for the last five years. One for eighteen, or two for three. You choose. All of the seventeen hunters with unfilled tags, in those other camps like to "run and gun". The bugle and cow call. The trouble is they did not get to do any gunning. They all saw and heard elk about every day, but went home with just sore muscles and bruised egos. Every day I would hear how they came so close, but something went sour for them.
You wrote (twice for that matter), and I quote,
“Here's my original post, " ….If any of you had the access to the great properties he does or the ability to pay someone to locate the animals you'd be killing giants too.”
We all have access to many of the great properties he hunts since these “properties”, as you refer to them, are on public ground. Many guys in this forum know where he hunts. So when you follow up the above statement with you later statement that you aren’t talking about public ground you are in fact talking about public ground.
Opportunity doesn’t equal success. There’s much more to it than that and this is why many in this forum are going after you but go ahead and ignore the fact that nearly everyone could hunt the same land Ulmer hunts if they had the desire. Now just because you hunt that land doesn’t mean you’re going to be successful.
Wow! Just wow...and we had complaints about the political threads?
I’m done with this nonsense. Some of you guys need to seriously evaluate your behavior.
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