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Got taken on Elk Hunt
SCAM ELK HUNT WITH
Not sure where to start this story. Bob and I booked this as a last minute cancelation hunt. I talk to Shane a bunch and told me about the hunt, it was to be a different kind of hunt Hunting elk just out of town in Graham, Washington. I called a few references and so Bob and I decided to send deposits and give it a shot, Shane said he had over 20,000 acres to hunt and lots of Elk, figured we would only hunt a few days and be done. Shane said book your flights. Bring remainder of balance in cash.We will pick you up at airport, take you to Motel we use, $60 a night. Then run and pick up your license to hunt. I'm like ok sounds good. So I send him our flight itinerary and we are all set, I have done this hundreds of times, so I was good with this. In this industry you do have to put some trust in people you never know.
So this is where the disaster starts, we land in Phoenix and waiting on connecting flight to Seattle. I get a text from Shane. We have an Elk down so we need to pack out and get to butcher. Turns out nobody even shot this Elk, it was a road kill. No Elk outfitter I know needs Elk meat that you take a road kill.He tells us, you will need to take Uber to Motel. I'm like ok this sucks. I text Shane what Motel, what town. He sends me Best Western in Puyallup. I said ok. Well I call them before we board guy tells me $1470 for the week. I'm like no way. Text Shane back gives me another Motel $600 for week, I book room. Remind you he told me already had room and was picking us up at motel. We Uber to Motel at $75 arrive and get our Room. I text him and tell him room number and we walk to get some dinner. At dinner get text we are out hunting, go get license, I'm like wtf I don't have a vehicle and where do I get license and what license do I need he send back and Elk license like any state you hunt . I send back yes I understand that but no idea where we are hunting, what area, what town anything. By this time I'm really pissed. So after dark I get knock on my door it's another hunter to pick us up and go get tags and also get balance of hunt. This hunter says he will pick us up and take us out in morning all good. Next morning comes we all head to our stand all 3 of us on 200 acre farm within 100 yards each other. Morning hunt nobody sees a thing. Meet Shane for lunch never introduced himself to us just takes his balance the other hunter gave him from us. After that never hear another word from Shane. We all hunt same property all week. The other hunter had been there since Friday we arrived Monday. Thursday morning came and went and I just couldn't handle this BS anymore and called it. 7 hunters I know of no elk shot. 5 never saw anything.
There is so much more to this story it gets even worse, Stay clear of this guy Scum of the earth. Picture is 1 of the blind 15 yards off corner of Garage witch I guess could happen but not everyday
1 of the awesome setups 15 yards from garage. Not saying it can't happen butnot a place I want to sit all day listening to kids running around in backyard
Thanks for the heads up. I don’t plan to hunt Wa soon. But I have rolled the dice with people I didn’t know and have been burned too.
Even established outfits get long in the tooth and live on their past reputation and then either take too many people or take too many animals from an area. Dragging people into the daylight and warning others is really the only realistic recourse. Most hunts don’t cost enough to justify Litigation.
Sorry you had to be the canary in the coal mine to warn us.
Make sure the IRS. Knows he took cash for the hunt. Taxes, you know. And you checked references, they must have been bold face liars. I hate to hear stuff like this.
Substance abuser....people abuser. But who really knows?
I dont get to go elk hunting but thats a bad deal. Its good that you are giving a heads up. Sorry you had to exoerience the bad situation though
Never been elk hunting but I’m assuming it doesn’t have a garage in plain view.
Does Washington require outfitters to be licensed? If so, I'd check to see if he's got one.
Man that sucks. I'm sorry it happened to you, but I appreciate you airing it on bowsite. If you haven't already, make sure you add it to the outfitter reports so it can be searched more easily.
What was the cost of the hunt?
I got burnt by a guy in New Mexico 20 years ago. It happens. Sorry you got took.
Full name of Shane and out fit name.
Yes more details so folks searching will find this shill and avoid him. Sorry that happened!!
Well that sucks. Fill out an outfitter report if you haven't already done so.
Also been burned before, but not to this ridiculous extreme. Good advice above; do everything you can to fully disclose of this "expletive" scammer!
I thought this was going to be another Cody Carr thread. Been there and got the t- shirt need full disclosure on this scam artist
Googled him and found over 100 threads of him pulling the same thing to other people. Look him up on 24 hour camp fire . Sorry you got burned. I don’t understand how you can do that to people? I would never be able to sleep with that kind of thing on my conscience.
I had it happen in South Texas once pre-internet.Tried a lawyer got nowhere.Its a shitty feeling for sure.I wonder if the references are part of it.
That sucks. I only paid for a hog hunt, in Tennessee three times and it was fantastic. A bunch of us from the Bowsite met there and we all got hogs and had a blast.
Shane Barbour's Westcoast Adventures and Outfitting. His reputation is documented all over the internet.
Sorry you got burned Zebra. Sounds like a terrible experience and huge waste of money and time.
Sorry you got taken Zebrakiller.
It looks like Shane has been swindling people for quite awhile based on a quick internet search I did. I'm always happy when people like him get what they have coming to them.
Sorry you got taken, not a good thing. I search this clowns name and plenty of bad press popped up, did you take a look at him before booking or,was it a hurry up and go?
LBshooter, yes it was quick but I also did talk to hunters and others, I don't always go buy just a bad review because, some people sometimes write them when they don't get anything. I did have a gut feeling on a few things but this was a total disaster. I have booked 100s of hunts in this same fashion that worked out great or even better than I thought. this one just went really south Fast. ! hunter in camp was his 4th trip with him I almost died when he told me
I really feel bad for 1 couple in camp taken for over 12,000
Sorry this happened to you and others. I did some reading and it seems like this guy has been ripping people offer for several years. Wonder how he's allowed to stay in business??
So the fact that you all got to sit in a field with no elk saves this guy from being prosecuted by the law?
First thread I pulled up had two reviews giving this same story. Second article was this link. Still haven’t seen a good review yet.
Sorry to hear this William, your story sounds too familiar. It almost parallels a deer hunt I went on in Iowa. I’ve told that story before so I won’t repeat it, but suffice it to say only a serial poacher is lower than an unscrupulous outfitter.
Makes me sick to my stomach reading this. That sucks, zebra.
That seems like something you can notify the Washington AG they usually prosecute cases like that.
Not a happy outcome for sure. Thanks for the 'beware', and the heads -up. Paul
Sounds like an outfitter that used to operate in TX and KS.
I'm with goelk, report him to IRS.
That stinks! Thanks for warning others about this POS!
I just read links link....lol.. Jerry springer stuff there.. sorry u got ripped off. Good luck on the next one...
Someone in Washington must 'know a guy, who knows a couple of guys... that could pay the guy a 'visit'
Sorry to about this happening Zebra-----
Thanks for the heads-up,
man this stuff makes me sick.... sorry to hear about your experience..
i've had a few bad ones but NOTHING like this
Yep, lots of BAD reviews on this guy. Actually even more than the POS Cody Carr. Im putting Cody's name here too so anyone searching can find yet another NON recommendation on him as well. Not doing research nowadays will usually turn out bad. I hope you post a review in the OR section.
Just another example of why the capitalization of hunting will ultimately be its demise, IMO.
Sorry for your bad experience, Zebra.
Sounds like fraud. Sue his ass
That setup by the garage is just bizarre. I would have assumed "this is a joke". Not a funny one. Sorry for the experience.
You should get some results with the attorney general especially if you can get some others that got cheated involved. IRS is a dead end and make sure your house is in order before you do that
Zebra, I’m not being critical but it seems you got in to big of a hurry on this one. A little more time vetting him would have revealed lots of bad references and reports
Sorry that happened and I hope you can figure a way to get some satisfaction
Last year we were at a sports show and his son had a booth there. It was quite impressive as there were a bunch of photos of Jom Burnworth and his family with really impressive bulls. My hunting partner and I decided we would book the hunt but we would need to go back to the show the following day. I don't know exactly why I did it, but I decided to reach out to Jim and find out what he had to say. He followed up to me before we got to the show and said he has hunted with over 100 outfitters and this was the only one he would not recommend. He said he had asked them to quit using his photos. Needless to say we turned around before we got to the show and we were both thankful we saved our time and money. Thanks Jim!
After getting the “run around” at the airport about not being able to pick you up and the mix up on the hotel cost, why would you give any remainder of the deposit to another hunter?? The way it reads is the other hunter had nothing to do with the “guide” or operation.
My guess is if you went after him he would say you never paid him the remainder of the balance. I think having some random hunter collect it for him is intentional.
Ya...this sucks big time and ya hate to see someone get burned on a hunting trip. I suppose this reinforces the due diligence piece of the puzzle when considering outfitted hunts. BS's "Outfitter Reports" section is looking like a great tool to use to protect folks from poor quality....or in this case, maybe misleading/untruthful outfitters. Hopefully Z can get some kind of restitution out of this mess.
Yeah, asking another hunter to collect the balance for him would have sent up a HUGE RED FLAG! I would not have given any $$ to ANYBODY other than the outfitter- in person. If he did not make an attempt to meet me in person, he would not have gotten any more money from me.
I agree with some of the comments and yes did have a few red flags, but I also book about 7 hunts a year and have booked many many hunts with a phone call and those people are some of my best friends, today, I also have had many on here call me and book to go with me and we have had great time. Yes I got burned and it hurts , in every hunt you do you have to have some trust when you send that check out. This guy just turned out to be a POS but could have been a great hunt also you never know.
Yeah if you’re booking seven hunts a year for decades and you had one bad experience I’d say your model works pretty well
I guess it's human nature to WANT to think better of people and give them the benefit of the doubt............................................